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December 16th, 2012
09:56 AM ET
Huckabee: Lack of religion in classroom leads to violence in schools(CNN) - Responding to the deadly mass shooting Friday in Newtown, Connecticut, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said new laws regulating guns won't deter such shootings, linking a lack of religious discussion in the classroom to increased violence in schools. "We ask why there's violence in our school but we've systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News. "Should we be so surprised that schools have become such a place of carnage? Because we've made it a place where we don't want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability." "That we're not just gonna have to be accountable to the police if they catch us but one day we stand before a holy God in judgment. If we don't believe that, then we don't fear that," he said. "People are going to want to pass new laws," Huckabee continued. "This is a heart issue ... laws don't change this kind of thing." FULL STORY |
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Combining church and state has worked so well for countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan, we should do it here as well!!
Don't forget Iran.
Wouldn't it be interesting, if not wonderful, if Obama stood up and said something like "That's it! I'm tired of pretending to believe in non-existent gods and putting up with azzholes like Huckabee. For the remainder of my presidency, I will govern according to my atheist beliefs – I will veto any faith based law and will be dismantling all government faith based initiatives. . ."
The next thing we will hear is someone used his free will to shoot him and save america!
Huckabee is right.
Please demonstrate how is it that prayer works?
"Huckabee is right."
About what?
The best think about huckabee is the ex in front of governor – thats the only thing right about him.
crying for stronger gun control isn't the answer.
we need to completely overhaul our entire train of thought in regards to mental health – and find new ways to discover potential threats before they happen.
this is not a weapons issue – it's a mental health issue.
also – mike huckabee is a blithering ass wad. politicians need to be censored when events like this happen.
also – there's no gods.
( i am considering switching sides for this one – because the religious retards are just getting their ignorant asses handed to them – and it hurts to watch)
the AnViL,
The healthiness issues of the mentally challenged due to salacious sociologic c i r c u m f e r e n c e s would likely put a damper upon more folks then the many millions who are now taking antipsychotic medications. You who know me to be diagnosed as having a schizoaffective disorder and am taking my meds religiously, cannot see passed your own noses the many millions also taking their meds resulting in many being over-medicated to such a degree they are but zombies saying little due their inabilities to make their thoughts known thru over medication issues. I for one have gone thru being over medicated and I put my foot down and would not take my meds unless they were reduced in dosages.
Alcoholism is a more serious dilemma due our nation. Auto deaths due driving while intoxicated weighs in as the 600 pound guerilla when one wants to dare find comparative issues relating to issues of deadly reckoning!
@lionylamchops......... said "I for one have gone thru being over medicated"
Yes, it certainly shows considering the crap you post.
So then, atheistic moralism versus religious philosophies is it? What grounds makes up said moralism of the common atheist? All negative I dare guess! While religious philosophies are seldom wrenched down one's throat, much of atheism dares deniability in a negative light whenever and wherever their causes make for confrontations toward one perhaps many religious philosophers. It is true that younger less religiously informed of monotheisms are highly spirited, yet they lack the senses to be arbiters of sound religious philosophies. The circular logic of many atheists are morally inclined to recite and parrot away many issues to sustain their hardened stances within subtle perversions of wretchedly ill rationalism.
"while religious philosophies are seldom wrenched down one's throat".
I think you put the wrong word where seldom is. It should be changed to constantly.
We use what works and what most people can live with. There is no other basis.
Rational Libertarian,
Your liberalistic t h e r a p e u t i c s is but a salsa in chipping away and r e c o n s t i t u t i n g the general makeup of the leveraged continuums onwards march in futures' relativities. Yesterday being gone and today nearing its end, tomorrow will ever be the same as yesterday's passing away. I say that you said and others deny what both have decided to say in never ending societal circulars ever churning up the labeled waters of sarcasms verbalization drinking up causing pimples of perspirations labors among many faces in liberal amounts semi-concluded leavening.
What are you talking about? There is no morality outside of religion? Considering the immoral history of Christianity, the pograms, the witch burnings, the Spanish Inquisition, you most assuredly are either drunk, high, or both.
Look up "Humanism".
Mikey the Huckster should be shutting his A h.oole... now
The Second Amendment must be protected.
No problem! Organized and recognized militias (National Guard?) can have all the guns they need and we can melt the rest down. Problem solved!
Nope.
Damn! Why is nothing as easy as it first appears?
It is pretty easy. Leave the Second Amendment exactly as is.
@Rational Libertarian –
As you may remember, our philosophies regarding governmental infringement on personal liberties are kindred; however, why must "gun control" and Second Amendment discussions be all-or-nothing? If the Second Amendment's intent was personal protection (property included), what purpose does unrestricted access to weapons serve? Should a line-be-drawn, and where?...assault weapons...fully automatic weapons...RPGs...artillery? If the Second Amendment's intent was to protect the citizenry from the government, then these discussions are rhetorical fantasy.
Sorry, while I get "guns don't kill people, people kill people" mantra, something needs to change 'cause things aren't working very well as they are. There are too many people who can't responsibly use guns, just as there are too many people who can't responsibly use drugs, cars and other potentially dangerous items that we regulate. At some point more controls are required for the community's benefit. Clinging to a 200+ year old const!tution as if it's perfect and wholly applicable to today is as stupid a clinging to The Babble.
I won't pretend to have the answer but the status quo doesn't appear to be it, and the NRA types don't seem to have any either. I understand that there are lots of laws already and if they were just enforced things would be better. Perhaps if the NRA types overtly and very publicly helped to enforce the current laws, rather than be perceived to be against any and all restrictions, they would win over non-gun owners such as myself.
And no, I am not saying that current or new restrictions would absolutely prevent such disasters. I actually blame religion (ignorant non-thinking in general) more than guns.
Yes, the 2nd amendment exists to protect citiczenry from government and must be protected. Do you want to be punished due to what some mad gunman did? Do you want someone to take away your rights? Its not your fault what happened so why should you settle for less freedom? Religion is irrelevant.
The first act in a dictators rise to power is to ban guns to the citizenry.
God was NOT banned at the Aurora movie theater, yet the killings happened !!!! So when God is NOT there it HAPPENED, when God IS THERE it HAPPENED .
But guns were banned and apparently gods don't go where guns are not allowed.
0G,
Yeah, that "God" is a son-of-a-gun!
If this twit doen't see the correlation between mental health, guns, and mass shootings, we can thank our lucky stars that he is largely irrelevant on the political scene.
It seems like the more Pat Robertson goes sane, the more this man goes insane. Guns are simply too accessible today in the U.S. There are too many of them; there are too many of the wrong kind; there are too many of them too accessible to people that have serious psychological problems.
This dangerous fundamentalist wants us to regress to a time when our laws were more unfair. Today's classrooms have an even higher rate (~23%) of non-Christian students than when the 1962 & 1963 SCOTUS rulings deemed mandated prayer and Bible reading in public schools uncontitutional. How would Mr. Huckabee implement putting his God back in the classroom in a fair and balanced manner? It's ludicrous – the scare tactic of an extremist.
I do think kids today experience too much non-reality violence, news of violence and real violence in their daily lives. That's not an easy issue to address, but one thing is clear to me regarding that: poor or inadequate parenting at home can never be substituted with a public school education where kids, among kids of differing faiths, should be learning things that are common to them like English, math and science.
One of the things Mr. Huckabee must have not learned in school is the importance of the separation of church and state in the U.S. As an ordained Baptist minister, he, as much as anyone, should understand the importance of the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. The Baptists may never have flourished in the U.S. had it not been for key founders like James Madison, an Anglican who helped establish the Episcopal church in the U.S., but who stood up for the rights of the Baptists in Virginia. Madison, like several of the other key founders, became more moderate and Deist after childhood. I believe it allowed him to step back from the persecution that was going on between Christian sects at the time and see how silly the arguments were.
He addressed the Virginia General Assembly in 1785 – primarily towards his fellow Anglicans:
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
(from A Memorial and Remonstrance)
During the same time, Quakers were being hung in Massachusetts. Thomas Paine had a few choice things to say about that.
Deism holds to the belief of God as the creator of the universe. But many Deists also believed that God did not interfere with the lives of his creation. And many Deists disbelieved in all of the "magic" in the Bible – some of them refuting the Bible and Christianity completely.
Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Paine, Mason & Madison all witnessed the violent persecution between Christian sects in their home states around the time the government was being established. So it is of no surprise that they needed a secular government and they knew the only way to enforce freedom of religion was to keep religion out of the government as much as possible.
Listen to James Madison speak about the need for the need to keep religion out of government (Jefferson wasn't the only one to explicitly speak of the separation of church and state):
Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.
The Civil Govt, tho' bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability and performs its functions with complete success, Whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, & the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State.
(from letters to Edward Livingston and Robert Walsh)
Madison as president vetoed two bills that he believed would violate the separation of church and state. He also came to oppose the long-established practice of employing chaplains at public expense in the House of Representatives and Senate on the grounds that it violated the separation of church and state and the principles of religious freedom. (Library of Congress – James Madison Papers – Detached memorandum, ca. 1823.)
Our most recent constitutional Amendment, number 27, adopted in 1992, was first introduced by James Madison in 1789.
Listen to John Adams, POTUS #2:
The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.
Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.
(from A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America [1787-1788])
President John Adams and the U.S. Senate on behalf of the U.S.
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;
(from Article 11 of the U.S. treaty ratified with Tripoli in 1797)
Senator John F Kennedy said on Sept. 12, 1960, just prior to his winning the Presidential election:
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.
If god in schools is the key, aren't the proponents of this lunacy saying that those damn liberal schools and teachers are the key to installing religious values into children? That they can do it better than parents or religious charlatans? Seems contradictory to me. . .
Sorry, prayers do NOT work this time 🙁
Prayer always works it is the lack of prayer that produces the moral climate that allows this type of sickness to occur.
FN, provide proof. Otherwise, this is your opinion, based on nothing.
Hey Huck: time to put your head and mouth back into your .a....s...s
Use IT for a defense and see what happens.
F this guy really lived by the values he so adamantly is trying to sell, then he would not be opening his mouth at a time like this.
When the investigation is over, I think we will find out that this was not Adam's fault. Eve must have talked him into it.
It's always a woman.
And a hetero one. . .
I love how Huckabee thinks he knows that gun restrictions won't prevent this sort of tragedy and that prayer in public schools will.
Delusional twit.
Now now comparing him to a twit is insulting to the twits.
The illusion that possessing such things to hinder other things of sameness from being thusly becoming a deadliness issue is as stupid as this sentence poses! Turn your weapons into plow sheers and rid us of any potential life threatening issue brought on by or about or from social illnesses of wrenched individualism venting illogically; causing deadly harm to others of innocence welfares! Although many people feel the illusion of being safe by owning a gun, their childish wants for gun ownership is but a false feeling of psychological measuring!
Fvckabee is beyond nuts. There is NO indication that religious people are more "moral" than those who don't believe. None at all. There is NO foundation to the statement that because religion isn't inculcated in public schools that accountability doesn't exist in them.
My word, but the man is an idiot.
"There is NO indication that religious people are more "moral" than those who don't believe. None at all."
tomx2 – you are not only correct – you're damned correct. there is actually evidence that indicates very clearly that religious people are far more immoral than those who are without religious belief.
being right rocks – but in this case – it's pretty sweet.
Which god, Huckabee? Your god? Sorry, Mike. Publicly funded schools don't get to subvert the right of individuals to believe or not to believe in the god of their choice, and share that belief (or lack thereof) to the children for which they are responsible. That's unConsti.tutional.
However, I believe that Huckabee is simply grandstanding, possibly to distract from the real problem: The culture of gun worship in this country.
I think it's obvious that he's referring to Loki, the Norse trickster god.