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December 16th, 2012
09:56 AM ET
Huckabee: Lack of religion in classroom leads to violence in schools(CNN) - Responding to the deadly mass shooting Friday in Newtown, Connecticut, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said new laws regulating guns won't deter such shootings, linking a lack of religious discussion in the classroom to increased violence in schools. "We ask why there's violence in our school but we've systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News. "Should we be so surprised that schools have become such a place of carnage? Because we've made it a place where we don't want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability." "That we're not just gonna have to be accountable to the police if they catch us but one day we stand before a holy God in judgment. If we don't believe that, then we don't fear that," he said. "People are going to want to pass new laws," Huckabee continued. "This is a heart issue ... laws don't change this kind of thing." FULL STORY |
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The antireligious here have no idea that they are displaying extreme immaturity.
replace the word 'immaturity' with 'logic' and you've got it right.
What is immature about asking zealots to keep their beliefs out of the law, the public square, and schools? What IS truly immature is rallying around an ass like Huckabee and pretending that prayer in public schools would have prevented the mental illness of this man from culminating in a horrific act. It's shameful that Huckabee would assert such nonsense and worse that you fools believe he's right.
well said, Tom. and good morning. 🙂
And to you.
You mean like the immaturity displayed by christians that blame shootings and natural disasters on those that don't agree with their supersti.tion?
So the christian god felt he was not worshiped enough in schools so he murdered 20 children.
Courts have ruled here in the USA cannot teach creationism or ID in public schools. (makes it a crime??)
unfortunately, evolution is not taught either.
I'm not sure what you are saying or asking, exactly, but whether specific actions or policies violate the law is up to the courts to decide. In one case, however, a Judge ruled that teaching ID in public science classes did violate the Establishment Clause of the US Const.
"The proper application of both the endorsement and Lemon tests to the facts of this case makes it abundantly clear that the Board's ID Policy violates the Establishment Clause. " – Dover v Kitzmiller, Judge Jones
(as quoted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District)
and that is where we have failed. Facts should win over myth.
18 Major Events in the Geological Theathre facts.
Fact,
"Courts have ruled here in the USA cannot teach creationism or ID in public schools."
You should thank your lucky stars... your kids would have to be learning Hindu creationism too, then... and Buddhist, and American Indian... and, and, and... all in equal amounts.
Christianity – The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
summed it up nicely.
Atheism – The refusal to accept any and all proof of God's existence, because the atheist's former religion made him feel intense and painful shame.
Summed it up nicely, didn't I?
Bullsh!t. You have no proof, moron. And worship never made me feel ashamed; it never made me feel anything but disbelief.
No, you didn't, idiot. How can anyone "accept any and all proof" when none has been presented?
no, you didn't sum it up at all. what proof?
Proof is presented, Tommy boy, you just deny it when it is. For example, you refuse to consider the eyewitness testimony of the millions of people who testify to having seen or spoken with Jesus or Mary. These are not schizophrenics who hallucinate. Eyewitness testimony is accepted in a court of law or in everyday life; and you accept it yourself, only not if it proves the existence of God.
You are an imbecile. First of all, your so-called "eyewitnesses" don't exist. Secondly, honeybun, eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
You have NO proof of the divinity of Jesus, nor do you have any for the existence of a heaven or a hell.
You cannot seem to figure out the difference between fact and belief.
This is a call to arms. Theocratic Christianity is just as dangerous as radical Islam. A pox on both your houses. Both religions are evil myths.
Save America from evil Christians and their evil mass murdering god. The god of the bible is far worse than the school shooter, as awful as he was. The imaginary god Jehovah has ruthlessly murdered far more innocent babies- thousands if not millions. Consider the evil nature of this imaginary god:
1. Murdering innocent children during the flood
2. Murdering Job's family
3. Telling Abraham is kill his son
4. Killing the innocent first born children in Egypt
5. Requiring a human sacrifice for the salvation of mankind
We are fortunate the monster god of the bible is imaginary!
absolutely agree. the christian god is a monster. 20 children just died here. tragedy. how many babies did god murder in his great flood? BABIES. only a monster could drown babies and claim it was divine justice. the bible is disgusting.
Your hatred of God is showing, "Get Real". It is clear that you really believe that He exists, but simply hate religion because it makes you feel ashamed of your sick desires.
I love it when some boob asserts that atheists have "sick desires" simply because they don't need a god to behave morally.
Get Real,
If of course our God is an "imaginary God" then why are you blaming God for said woes? Better check your dipstick GR for you may be a few quarts short!
You can't hate something that does not exist. I do not hate, but I am both scared and disgusted of a religion that fabricates stories about an evil monster called god – and I am even more repulsed by people like you who would worship such an imaginary filthy beast like the god Jehovah.
basher,
the christian god is no more real than zeus, odin or ra. 1000s of other gods came before yours. they all had creation stories. they all had interactions with humans on earth. the bible isn't even original. the bible plagiarized other religions/mythologies. want to read the story of the garden of eden before it was in the bible? read the epic of gilgamesh. grow up, stop believing in silly fairy tales, think for yourself.
The sickest desires are the ones of the pedophile priests who worship your God...aren't you ashamed for them, Basher?
"Monster" and "filthy beast"? Get Real, you don't call someone such names unless you believe that he exists. Now if you were a theistic Satanist, insulting God would make sense; but you are clearly not a theistic Satanist. You are just a theist who denies that he still believes in God.
Somebody actually voted for this guy.
Alcoholism is a more serious dilemma due our nation. Auto deaths due driving while intoxicated weighs in as the 600 pound guerilla when one wants to dare find comparative issues relating to issues of deadly reckoning! How many drunk driving deaths are there in the USA nowadays? Ten thousand plus yearly alcohol related deaths and hardly a whimper from the crowds!
You said that 15 minutes ago.
And you read that 15 minutes ago A.B. One needs to let it sink in by continually re-reading the issues at hand. The media is having a field day with such ills of the young dying by guns yet when compared to all the young dying yearly in DUI deaths, it is but a drop in the bucket of dead reckoning issues!
Oh ok, I thought you were getting forgetful.
Am I watching the "Ground Hog" movie?
Drunkards aren't allowed into heaven so many Americans are going to hell.
Mr. Huckabee has a hypotheses. That prayer in school would stop mass shooting. That hypotheses can be tested. So lets do that. Let's look at some statistics: Since 1996, there have been 77 school shootings, 59 of which (76%) happened in the US. The list of school shootings by location can be found on infoplease.com and it shows that the remaining incidents are scattered throughout countries around the world, some of which ban organized prayer and some which do not, but no other country comes close to the US. Next up was Germany, with 4 shootings (5%). Germany recently banned Muslim students from praying in the halls of a school. France, which bans prayer had one shooting. The UK, which allows prayer also had one. Sorry, Mr. Huckabee, but your hypothesis just isn't supported by the data. You can't just pray away the problem. So why are so many incidents clustered in the US? We own 30% of the guns in the entire world, though less than 5% of the world's population lives here. In states where gun ownership is higher, per capita gun deaths are also higher. The math is really not that hard. What does this tell us? We need gun control, and we need it now. And we need to give much better support and care to the mentally ill members of our society, not access to automatic weapons. It's just simple arithmetic.
Great post, jtanenbaum, and I completely agree.
fantastic post.
Shame Christoper Hitchens isn't still around to skewer this idiot with his religious flummery. Reminds me of another moron; Jerry Falwell and his disgusting 9/11 comments.
Is everyone from the south mentally retarded?
The healthiness issues of the mentally challenged due to salacious sociologic c i r c u m f e r e n c e s would likely put a damper upon more folks then the many millions who are now taking antipsychotic medications. You who know me to be diagnosed as having a schizoaffective disorder and am taking my meds religiously, cannot see passed your own noses the many millions also taking their meds resulting in many being over-medicated to such a degree they are but zombies saying little due their inabilities to make their thoughts known thru over medication issues. I for one have gone thru being over medicated and I put my foot down and would not take my meds unless they were reduced in dosages.
Alcoholism is a more serious dilemma due our nation. Auto deaths due driving while intoxicated weighs in as the 600 pound guerilla when one wants to dare find comparative issues relating to issues of deadly reckoning! How many drunk driving deaths are there in the USA nowadays? Tens of thousands yearly and hardly a whimper from the crowds!
Hello Mr. Lamb.
Satan urinates on your lord god Jehovah
Both are imaginary
Mike Huckabee and all of the Christians on this blog working this angle are sick, disgusting, horrible.
No, it is the antireligious here who are sick. The antireligious person's sickness makes him want to pretend that God does not exist. He has no logical reasons for being antireligious, but only a sick, psychological motivation. This disgusting motivation is what causes people to pretend that God does not exist.
Atheist Basher, what do you base this opinion on?
Atheist basher sounds like a pedophile.
Which God, Basher?
There is no official religion or deity of the US, just as our forefathers wanted it to be...
Pray to whomever you like, but you cannot force prayer in school without recognizing that all gods must be represented, not just the one you and Huckabee believe in.
Akira, the US government declared the Virgin Mary to be the official patron saint of the USA, and "In God We Trust" is printed on US money and Indiana license plates, and Americans declared that all men were endowed by their Creator with rights, and the Bill of Rights guarantees that Congress shall make no law that affects a church, temple, or mosque, or restricting freedom of worship. All of this supports the worship of God, and is thereby anti-atheist.
You liar. The government did no such thing.
Mr. Huckabee
...but there is a "religion" (a way of life) which is being taught in schools...it is know as freedom of self-rights, freedom of all religions...saying that all "gods" have equal validity without discrimination or preference.
This is a way of life which you also confess to be right and good...and in so doing you also deny the Preeminence of the One Way of Truth and Life, Christ, and of His Father, our Creator, as the One and Only God.
Man desires to be free from the Will of the One God so as to be free to live by his own self justified will, rights.
But it is Christ that will rule!
From one of my Facebook friends: "Seeing so many posts about God not being in schools and equating it to reason this tragedy in Newtown happened has got to be one of the cruelest things I've ever seen. I remember being told in all my Sunday school classes that God is omnipresent and the idea that he abandoned those kids an teachers because he wasn't "welcomed" makes me think people need to go to Sunday school again. If you think about it, God hasn't been taken out. Students are able to pray any time, as long as it doesn't disrupt their lessons. I remember praying over every test, I was never stopped. Students are able to establish faith based clubs and events open to any one. All that is asked is that school officials don't support or establish one faith over another. Remember, this nation has NO established religion, that we are a nation welcoming of all faiths. Shouldn't our public schools be the same?"
I'm not even Christian and I agree with her!
Your friend is a voice of reason.
Your friend is most sensible.
Your friend needs to send this message to both Huckabee and Fox News.
That's the kind of god Huckabee worships? One who slaughters children because we won't let administrators force them to pray? Sounds like an "awesome god" indeed. Where do I sign up?
Also, I didn't realize that bad things never happened before those laws were passed. Like Huckabee I conveniently forgot about all the children who were slaughtered in the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades.
Read in the nineteenth chapter of II Kings how Sennacherib the Assyrian king sought to overthrow Jerusalem. Hezekiah, the king who represented Israel pleaded with the Lord for deliverance while Sennacherib mocked him, saying, “Don’t think that your prayers to your God can help you. Every place that I have been and taken already, they have been praying. You are helpless,” and the next morning a large part of the Assyrian army was found dead upon the ground, and Jerusalem had been preserved by the Lord. [See 2 Kings 19:10–20, 35.] He is our strength, … your Father and mine, (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: George Albert Smith, Chapter 24: Righteous Living in Perilous Times)
"And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron – Judges 1:19
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
The plague had already taken hold in the Assyrian army days earlier, and soldiers had been dying for days. Sennacherib wasn't with the army, so that conversation couldn't have taken place to begin with; the general in charge pulled out because Jerusalem was too weak and pathetic to lose half the army over. Learn your history, rather than trusting mythology.
My, what an imagination! Some atheist historian's marijuana induced hallucinations about the Bible, no doubt.
Post by 'The Mockingjay' is an instance of the ad hominem fallacy.
http://fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html
The Mockingjay,
Pictures, video, audio and other solid verification is needed... or it didn't happen.
(History is written by the victors...)
@The Mockingjay "My, what an imagination! Some atheist historian's marijuana induced hallucinations about the Bible, no doubt." I suppose...or it could be historical research derived from communications between the Assyrians, and the descriptions of the illness, and the fact that assuming a miracle with zero evidence in support is bad science. Got anything better than an ad-hom to rebut with?
Huck, Huck, Huck,
We welcome you to the 21st century with a prayer:
The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)
Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??
I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)
Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,
He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
Jerusalem.
Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.
Amen
(references used are available upon request)
Reality's insanely illogical post is a long string of ridiculous, unproven, unprovable statements about Christianity. He must have an intense hatred of Christianity for some deep psychological reason. Such as...shame?
Post by 'Jonathon Gott' is an instance of the ad hominem fallacy.
http://fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html
That was not an example of the ad hominem argument at all. "Fallacy Spotting" likes to declare that he/she has spotted a fallacy, and does so even where there is no fallacy. That's rather insane, really.
Basher,
Please explain your take on "ad hominem" arguments.
Religion can not be forced or enforced. Putting more of it in public schools is pointless.
It's good to know that there is more than one of us.
Reinforcing religion would just add to the suffering of those already rejected by the church. I would suggest going to the school counselor be mandatory instead of just optional. We have all had times when we should have sought help but did not and some problems we cannot fix ourselves and only get worse over time
Huckabee is dead center right! It is obvious that these murderers thought they could perpetrate these evil deeds and the escape responsibility and retribution by killing themselves. They think this because they are atheists and do not believe in God or his judgements. We need to return to God and keep his commandments and that includes our schools and public places!
You are talking out of your ass again.
The shooter was Christian.
Guess again.
I know what a Christian is and he was no Christian!
How can somebody be so retarded?
I know a lot of christians who would say the same thing about you.
He believed in God, also.
And which god do you want in the schools ? I certainily refiuse to have you indoctirinate my children with your god.
"I know what a Christian is and he was no Christian!" Perhaps you should just look up 'no true Scotsman fallacy', and stop torpedoing your own arguments.
Mockingjay, scroll up and read the comment by jtanebaum above yours, or read the first comment on page 1. Your statements are plainly false, and those comments demonstrate why very clearly.
Good afternoon, everyone!
Looks like Sunday Stupid School just got out. The conversation will only go downhill from here. . .
You're right. In light of these news stories, what the world needs is more profanity-laced, angry atheist talk.