December 16th, 2012
09:56 AM ET
Huckabee: Lack of religion in classroom leads to violence in schools
(CNN) - Responding to the deadly mass shooting Friday in Newtown, Connecticut, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said new laws regulating guns won't deter such shootings, linking a lack of religious discussion in the classroom to increased violence in schools.
"We ask why there's violence in our school but we've systematically removed God from our schools," Huckabee said on Fox News. "Should we be so surprised that schools have become such a place of carnage? Because we've made it a place where we don't want to talk about eternity, life, what responsibility means, accountability."
"That we're not just gonna have to be accountable to the police if they catch us but one day we stand before a holy God in judgment. If we don't believe that, then we don't fear that," he said.
"People are going to want to pass new laws," Huckabee continued. "This is a heart issue ... laws don't change this kind of thing."FULL STORY
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God really likes to kill a lot of people. He really seems to enjoy it and the bible is chock full of so many examples of either him killing people or commanding his followers to kill people. We are lucky he is imaginary!
If you look in the Bible, there are an amazing number of people that God wants his followers to murder. For example, in Exodus 35:2 God lays down this commandment:
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
Think about that how many people work on the Sabbath - all the employees of Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, Home Depot, Linnens & things, grocery stores, convenience stores, power plants, airlines, hospitals, emergency services and on and on and on. Don't rabbis, priests and preachers work on the Sabbath? God wants all of them dead.
I know an SDA Emergency Room Physician who refuses to work on the Sabbath (and has refused to for many years). I guess he's being consistent, but W T F?
p.s. He's also a deacon (or whatever they call it) at his church, and does preach mightily on the Sabbath. They don't consider it "work", I suppose.
Get Real, God does not care if you think that He is mean and cruel. If He cared, then Iesous would not have taught people about Hell, nor would the Quran repeatedly mention Hell either. God is a god of justice, which means that He decrees laws and enforces them, punishing lawbreakers. He is not interested in being thought of as kind and loving, contrary to heretical modern conceptions of Him; He actually commands that His worshippers fear Him, and encorages that fear. So when you cite examples of God's lack of compassion for puny talking monkeys, you are only proving that God is what He never said He is not.
Suppose the killer had a conviction just as strong as yours that god "wanted" him to kill, Atheist Babbler? How do you know he was wrong?
According to Martin Luther, founder of the Protestant Christian religion, reason and faith can't coexist. He said:
There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason, especially if she enters into spiritual matters which concern the soul and God. For it is more possible to teach an ass to read than to blind such a reason and lead it right; for reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed." "Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees it must put out of sight, and wish to know nothing but the word of God.
You said, "... reason and faith can't coexist."
For that reason, religion and science can only coexist as long as they remain fully compartmentalized. On any subject where they overlap, religion can only be "correct" if it agrees with science. But even in those cases the "correctness" of religion doesn't lend it any value as a model for reality, as even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
I suppose he means only praying to HIS version of god will take care of it. Like teaching 'christian values' in classrooms will solve the problem. He is so far off base and has no idea he's just mouthing the same knee jerk nonsense he thinks people want to hear. Does the guy not have sane friends or colleagues who could have told him this was a bad idea?
1. If there is a god, why couldn't there be many?
2. Why do you assume god is good? The evidence would suggest otherwise.
1. Because God says that He is the only god. And evidence that He is telling the truth is that His worship defeated ancient pagan polytheism in Rome, Egypt, and Mesopotamia, which those other gods would have prevented if they had existed. And in the sacred texts of the monotheistic religions are the miracle of 19 in the Quran, and the more esoteric and profound gematria in the Hebrew and Latin scriptures.
2. I do not believe that God is all good. I do not care. The Creator of the universe is above man's morality. It is illogical to pretend that the concepts of "right" and "wrong" really make sense, and to judge God by these nearly incomprehensible concepts. Might makes right, and God does what He wills.
By the way, Apple Bush, how DO you answer the miracle of 19 in the Quran? Read Khalifa's appendices in THE QURAN: THE FINAL TESTAMENT, if you have not; they will be a challenge to your beliefs.
Simply your mythological god doesn't exist and you'[re f-cked up in the head like the rest of the christards.
Better yet f-cked up in the head mustard.
"Might makes right, and God does what He wills."
Ummm, no it does not. If your god did exist he would not deserve worship just for being powerfull. Your argument is so full full of immorality that if the most evil of beings was also the most powerful you would worship him....how sad.
1. This "miracle" of 19 is not a miracle. The actual chance of finding this 'miracle' is 1 in 19 which is not an impressive probability at all.
2. Equal number of miracles, sometimes more are found in anti-Islamic texts.
3. What was Qur'an talking about when it said "over it are Nineteen"? It was simply talking about the number of Angels in Hell. This is also confirmed by Islamic websites. Even Rashad Khalifa, the inventor of 19 'miracles' believes that 19 is the number of Angels in heaven (for him, he sees it as a 'miracle' that everything is 19)
4.Rashad Khalifa changed or 'corrupted' the Qur'an to highlight the 'miracles' of 19.
This is so true
No, it's really not. Religion, an answer to solving violence? This is bullshit. This is a guy pushing an agenda when it's least needed.
Here is a nice story for you boys and girls:
Of course both are imaginary beings, but the true story is Satan is GOOD and God is EVIL. Satan tapped God on the shoulder and asked God please don't flood the earth and kill all those innocent children. God answered and said "Bra ha ha ha! I am allmighty god and can do what I want. It would please me to see those babies drown in agony! Bra ha ha ha!". Satan said "that's wack, dude! You are one cruel, sick, evil monster". So Satan left heaven and promised to help mankind against the evil imaginary God. Then one day all the people grew up and realized God and Satan are both imaginary so they went away hand in hand as boyfriends forever. That is after God asked Satan's forgiveness for all of the mean spiteful things he did. The End.
Children left to their own devices find themselves playing with things best left to the adults! Time for you to take your afternoon nap GR!
This is apalling! Huckabee and his evangelical/fundamentalist followers are stinking garbage. Please don't put all of us Christians in the same bag! We aren't all evangelicals!
Yes I believe you. There are many flavors of Christian stupidity.
It's appalling how you spelled appalling!
A.B. gets an F,
Do adult centered Christians call you names or is your stance against Christendom being but vernacular un-pleasantries meant to appease ones self-interests? Christians know well their socially encountered individualists bitterness ways and they tend to keep to themselves. Have you met socially with your community's Christians our are you standing afar off and unjustly throwing morsels of tainted speeches just for your own betterments emotional welfares sake?
Mr. Lamb, don't get mad.
I am not "angry" an certainly not "mad" for I asked you some pertinent questions. Answer them please!
Speak english and I will answer anything you want. I am not going to try to figure out that nonsense.
God created the universe. Many billions of years ago, a life form evolved on a planet not so far distant and their scientists deduced the building blocks for life existed in the universe and from it, new life forms could be created. These ancient ones populated Mars with life and eventually, due to asteroid events over millions of years, life arrived here on Earth. We are a product of that primeval turbulence. Therefore, we must worship the Aliens, not God. The Aliens have to worship God. This is all true because I have faith that it happened just this way.
That's funny, my own beliefs are based on proof. It is illogical to believe an unproven proposition, so I do not. I believe nothing which is not proven. I see proof that God exists, so I believe that He does. I see proof that atheist arguments are illogical and wrong, so I believe that they are. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist.
I see proof that something good always happens after I find a 4-leafed clover in my lawn. Always. It might take a week or a month or a year, but something good *always* happens afterwards!
Atheist Basher, I have the same amount of proof that Aliens did it.
Atheist Basher “That's funny, my own beliefs are based on proof.”
Claims to have proof gods exists. Presents none because he actually has none
AB may in fact have proof that to him and many others there is a manifestation of a god. Which is fine as logn as they accept that to many other people there is no such being and that is the proper way of things.
JWT, I have the same amount of proof as Christians have that God created life on Earth. I have faith that this is true so therefore it is.
I don't disagree with you Apple – to me there is no proof whatsoever but hey whatever gets him through the day. Although from reading some of his later posts i am smelling a troll. I have no problem with the religious as long as they don't expect other people to bel;ieve or follow their religious fantasies(thruth to them fantasy to me).
Say what you will, Mike, but that is complete nonsense. There are pervasive problems of human misery in our midst, yes. Having little schoolkids say a "prayer" every day before they begin class, and hoping that this will somehow make the misery and its results go away? Well, sorry, but that's just plain stupid.
You Christians forced to have "in god we trust" replace our motto and printed on our currency after the Civil War but your petty god wasn't satisfied and we've been in numerous wars since. To show the US is your god's chosen people over the filthy commie atheists you forced to add "one nation under god" into our pledge. Your god still needs blood I guess. Non-christians dare to request the same liberties as you priviledged Christians have always enjoyed and now we're to blame for all atrocities since.
JJ, that would make sense only if the US always did what God wants. He does not want the US to support the atheist Zionists, for instance, but the US does. Most Haredim oppose Zionism, as they know that God does. God does not approve of all wars or of all foreign policy of the US.
"...what God wants. He does not want..."
Atheist Basher speaks for "God", and what 'he' wants and doesn't want - Wow!
So know gods mad and taking his anger out on little kids, sending hitmen into schools to do his dirty work? Id watch the nonsense you spew, becuase that is essentially what you are saying. Your god probobaly doesnt exist, or else youd be able to prove it. Or at least HE would be able to prove it. If he does exist, hes a phsycopath. And he's moved on from in bible when he sent bears to kill little kids for calling a man bald, to now sending in hitmen to kill kids becuase we dont worship him enough. You are pathetic and so is your imaginary friend.
@A Frayed Knot
A believer "knows" exactly what his/her god wants. They know what it wants because it only exists in their own minds. Whether they admit it, or not, they follow what the think they know their imaginary friend wants.
Believers tend to cluster (congregate) in groups that have similar imaginary friends with similar wants and needs. These wants and needs line up remarkably well with the personal opinions of the believers of how society should function.
The nastier the believer, the nastier his/her god.
Yes, we can tell so much about a person's character by how he says his fantasy god behaves...
Atheist Basher, suppose the shooter believed god wanted him to kill those children?
It's just as likely as anything you've stated about your belief that you "know" what god "wants."
Keep emotions out of it then facts eplain it. Numbers win 4.5 billion years ago !
In that photograph, Huckabee looks like is conjuring a spell.
Huckabee is on the right track! we must put religion back in our schools.
it will be a great day when the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is finally taught in our classrooms. all hail the great FSM!
if you would like the great FSM to touch you with his noodley appendage, check out:
RAmen! Fusilli! Fusilli!
He boiled for our sins!!!!!
Serve Him.... with a nice Chianti!
Get Real wrote on December 16, 2012 at 2:16 pm, “You can't hate something that does not exist. I do not hate, but I am both scared and disgusted of a religion that fabricates stories about an evil monster called god – and I am even more repulsed by people like you who would worship such an imaginary filthy beast like the god Jehovah.”
Lionly lamb responds, “ GR, your calling God an evil monster and a filthy beast dare show of hatred, anger and disgust! Being scared of religious Christians just based upon capricious stories does leaven you to be likely emotionally disturbed. I’ve got my own social welfares to tend with and can only say to you to quit thinking about issues that make you feel “scared and disgusted and repulsed”.
“You have this life to make peace with your thought based suggestive culminations and in measuring your emotional chords are you made found out to be but that which makes you a person of goodness clemencies or sadness lamentations of bitterness and confusion.”
lionylamb = gibberish
Bootyfunk needs more schooling due inclement conditionings of social engineering difficulties.
yes, i'm the one that needs schooling. LOL.
Clearly you do not have a clue. I respectfully suggest you go back on your meds and seek mental health treatment. The delusions and distorting of the facts and reality as you do is a clear sign if severe illness.
Science, logic and reason are the cure. Religion is the sickness.
Hey, Hide Behindp.
Shut up already.
"Science, logic and reason" prove God's existence, Get Real, so your approach would be counterproductive.
Get real! You can say that the moon is made of cheese, but that does not make it true. This god of yours only exists between your ears.
You know not my religious taking of meds for if you did you would not make bantering bitter sarcasms of ill willed stupid views in generalist disfigurements.
My abilities to write token thoughts of the religiously scientific vernaculars leave many commoners to parlor rancidness upon me. I am well enough to know things the common peasants cannot dare fathom nor should they even try! The bigots who stand in stale environments commonwealths are as the tempters of lewdness and ill gotten tenderloins staked and skewered all the more they are of the worse fed lots in betrayals feeding ways!
Everything out side the planet Earth are filled with religions, because they are lacking violence, Right Hooka Bee?
It's simple christards are f-cked up in the head.
Which god will you allow children to pray to in our publicly funded secular schools, Mr. Huckabee? Only your god? How about Allah, Ganesh, Odin, Gaea, Satan?
Or perhaps folks can pray on their own time to their own gods outside of school. And parents should be there to parent their children and teach them values rather than relying on schools to do this for them.
Maybe one of you Christian geniuses can explain this to me. Ok, God is Jesus, Jesus is God. God wanted to have a physical manifestation of himself on Earth and though he created the heavens and the Earth, Adam and Eve, he couldn't manage a “Jesus” so he knocked up a virgin by proxy who then gave birth to Himself and then he waited for himself to grow up so that he could preach the "truth" to those who would listen.
Then he set up his own death so that he could suffer on a cross to "die" (even though he can't die) for the sins of all the many billions of people who would be born who had not yet committed any sins but for whom he has a plan and that plan includes sinning for some unknown reason so he needed to die for them. Then he becomes a ghost, takes a little trip to Hades to hang with the red guy and then he "rises" and walks about frightening people and then disappears after telling everyone he would return and never shows his face again.
I would offer this counter possibility. Mary got knocked up by the blacksmith. Jesus was a cult leader. Jesus broke the law and was punished and died.
huckabee is right! we should teach our children to follow the bible to the letter!
first, let's kill all g.ays, like it says in leviticus 20:13.
second is all disobedient children are to be stoned to death – sorry unruly teen, you have to die.
third let's kill all non-virgin brides. uh oh, that's gonna leave about 2% of the US population. sorry ladies!
fourth let's kill anyone working the weekend. yup, everyone working walmart or the mall on sunday must die.
that'd be a good start. the bible is such a great device for love and compassion. amen.
It's not me who blames god for those woes- it is your own bible that reports these atrocities.
Again, the bible is a book of myths and god is imaginary. I am not speaking against these things like they are real, clearly they are not. I am only raising legitimate concerns about what these mythical symbols- god and the bible- represent.
And just what are you mythical symbols regarding God and the Gospels representing? I am a closeted Christian and do not attend any man made church for I believe one's body to be a church or temple of God. My stance on this belief of mine is because I believe our bodies to be reflective as being mini-micro-chasms of cosmologic order. Can you GR understand this view or,,, ?
Shit, we can't even understand what you said!