December 18th, 2012
05:18 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Tuesday, December 18

By Arielle Hawkins, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

People attend a prayer service in Newtown on Saturday to reflect.

CNN: My Take: Praying for questions about Newtown that go beyond ‘Why, God?’
Margaret Feinberg, a popular speaker and author of numerous books, stops asking why the tragic shooting in Newtown, Connecticut happened and starts asking God how to prevent a similar tragedy from happening.

CNN: My Take: Obama's Newtown remarks show presidents as pastors in chief
Stephen Prothero, an author and Boston University religion scholar, says President Barack Obama was “a pastor among pastors” as he recited scripture and inspirational quotes to comfort the people of Newtown at Sunday’s interfaith memorial service.

Tweet of the Day:

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Photos of the Day:

Photo credit: NARINDER NANU/AFP/Getty Images

Contestants display traditional Sikh wedding groom attire during the Mr. Singh International Turban Pride 2012 Fashion Show in Amritsar late December 16, 2012. A total of 26 contestants participated in the event in the northern Indian city.

Enlightening Reads:

The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life: The Global Religious Landscape
Worldwide, more than eight-in-ten people identify with a religious group. A comprehensive demographic study of more than 230 countries and territories conducted by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life estimates that there are 5.8 billion religiously affiliated adults and children around the globe, representing 84% of the 2010 world population of 6.9 billion. The demographic study – based on analysis of more than 2,500 censuses, surveys and population registers – finds 2.2 billion Christians (32% of the world’s population), 1.6 billion Muslims (23%), 1 billion Hindus (15%), nearly 500 million Buddhists (7%) and 14 million Jews (0.2%) around the world as of 2010.

Religion News Service: Fred Phelps’ son condemns Westboro’s plan to picket Newtown funerals
The estranged son of a Kansas pastor famous for protesting the funerals of soldiers and AIDS victims has condemned his family’s plans to picket the funerals of the 26 people — including 20 children — who were killed when a gunman stormed a Connecticut elementary school. In the wake of Friday’s massacre in Newtown, Conn., members of Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., posted Twitter messages saying they would picket outside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. The messages provided no information on the time of the planned picketing. Church members also released a video titled “God Sent the Shooter,” in which members state that the shootings were God’s retribution for gay marriage.

The Guardian: Female bishop row deepens as priest refuses promotion in protest
The Church of England's split over female bishops has deepened after a traditionalist clergyman announced he was not taking up his post as a bishop following protests over his opposition to women in the ministry. Father Philip North, who is team rector at the parish of Old St Pancras in north London, said that local reservations over his appointment — and the divisions exacerbated by last month's General Synod vote against female bishops — meant it would be impossible for him to be "a focus for unity" as bishop of Whitby.

Catholic News Agency: Domino's founder sues over contraception mandate
Tom Monaghan, the founder and former owner of Domino's Pizza, is suing the federal government over a controversial mandate that requires him to violate his Catholic faith in his business decisions. The lawsuit described the contraception mandate as “an unprecedented despoiling of religious rights” that both “attacks and desecrates a foremost tenet of the Catholic Church.”

The Washington Post: In wake of Newtown massacre, love more important than explanations
What is most needed in the wake of the Newtown massacre? How do we explain what happened, to ourselves and to our children? Where was God when 20 children and six adults were being gunned down? How should we react as a nation in light of these horrific events? These and similar questions are the ones I have been asked almost nonstop for the past 48 hours. Many of us feel that we are drowning in pain and confusion about Friday’s events, and that is why we lose sight of what is really most needed at this moment. This moment demands compassion and love more than it does analysis and explanation.

Quote of the Day

I assure the families of the victims, especially those who lost a child, of my closeness in prayer. May the God of consolation touch their hearts and ease their pain.

- Pope Benedict XVI offered his condolences and prayers to the people of Newtown, Connecticut.

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CNN: Massacre of children leaves many asking, 'Where’s God?'
As he waited with parents who feared that their kids were among the 20 children killed at a Connecticut elementary school on Friday, Rabbi Shaul Praver said the main thing he could do for parents was to merely be present. “It’s a terrible thing, families waiting to find out if their children made it out alive,” said Praver, who leads a synagogue in Newtown, Connecticut, and was among nine clergy gathered with parents at a firehouse near Sandy Hook Elementary School, where the shooting occurred. “They’re going to need a lot of help,” Praver said of those who are close to the dead.

- A. Hawkins

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soundoff (71 Responses)
  1. faith

    dorothy has deleted hundreds of believers' posts

    April 6, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
  2. blake


    dorothy knows jesus was stolen from mithra

    March 29, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • blake

      this is proof how brilliant she is. no. i am not playing

      March 29, 2013 at 1:15 pm |

  3. December 20, 2012 at 3:55 am |
  4. Political will on gun control and sledge hammer fist on gun runners

    “Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.”=FALSE!

    A man in China attacked and 'INJURED' 20 children using a 'KNIFE'.

    A man in connecticut attacked and 'SLAUGHTERED' 20 children and 6 women and a man (himself) using (3) 'GUNS'.

    I wish people are not too blind to see the 'HUGE' difference.

    December 19, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
  5. SaltyBob

    All gods all gods from every religion are fake made up, history shows us that and yet we still have so many locked in the belief that this is a real thing real heaven real hell real god, the insanity of it all bogles the mind.

    December 19, 2012 at 10:00 am |
    • faith

      All gods all gods from every religion are fake made up, history shows us that and yet we still have so many locked in the belief that this is a real thing real heaven real hell real god, the insanity of it all bogles the mind."

      honey, all atheists suck and are bound for hell

      April 5, 2013 at 9:27 pm |
  6. Geezus

    I see god has taught you well... is your faith based on wishing ill of others?

    December 18, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Lisa

      Their faith is based on the idea that our rights are given to us by an invisible being. I'm guessing you believe humans (such as yourself) give me my rights and would have no problem taking those rights away from me as you see fit? God is an idea and nothing more. I believe my rights exist because I exist and my goal is to avoid people who want to step on my rights as a human being.

      December 19, 2012 at 6:18 am |
    • faith

      sam stoned
      Pompous pious fvck

      Marriage equality is coming. If it bothers you, you can either put on your big boy pants and accept it, or you get get on your knees with your sidearm and go meet jeebus. Either way works for me

      April 5, 2013 at 9:23 pm |
    • faith

      i have akways thought sam was a heck of a good guy

      sam stone
      Pompous pious fvck

      Marriage equality is coming. If it bothers you, you can either put on your big boy pants and accept it, or you get get on your knees with your sidearm and go meet jeebus. Either way works for me

      April 5, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
  7. lionlylamb

    The sower does sow all like manner in seeds of mankind and of sowing these seeds sown being of mankind does the sower await to reap the sown harvest of mankind's laments. As the sower does reap the laments harvests of mankind's seeded covetousness, the sower makes well the goodly many of the seeds yet to be sown. The sower can only plant the seeds of mankind and in the sower's planting of mankind's seed will the sowers ever be reaping that which the harvests declare from the seeds once and ever to be so sown.

    Who else can the sowers be but of the family of God who all do live deeply inside our bodies which are but godly buildings sown and grown by all of God's families? We who do know are the harbingers of the seeds yet to be sown and in one's knowing of things to be coming does the sown seeds make ready the harbingers soon to be harvested seeds of tried laments. God being the first sower of all sowers does ever await all tested harbingers coming from many sown harvests.

    Love Lettuce,
    Love Let Us.
    God's Oldest Dreamer

    December 18, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • .

      LL is the belief blog idiot.

      December 18, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Lisa

      I'd still prefer her singing her little songs and granting me my rights than those who think they give me my rights and are just as free to take them away.

      December 19, 2012 at 6:13 am |
  8. Dorothy Gray

    My son, Kevin Levar, gospel recording artist wrote a song a few years ago after the Va. Tech shootings called "YOU ARE NOT ALONE". After hearing the President's speech and seeing the headlines of the Washington Post on yesterday, "You Are Not alone", he placed on his website a dedication to the victims and a free download of the song to anyone. Please take a moment to go to Kevinlevar.com and listen! You will be blessed and God will use this to help heal our nation. Thank you! Kevin's Mom (Mrs. Dorothy Gray) P.S. If you have more time, enter the site. We are trying to get the word out the families!

    December 18, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Dorothy, how will God use this to help heal our nation? I don't understand.

      December 18, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Dorothy Gray,

      May God bless you and your family and all the whole world which needs God's blessedness for this world is so full of bitterness fruits that mankind cannot righteously console all such ills for our weaknesses and infirmities do lay heavily upon our longing to be done deeds and yet are only little deeds sparingly being so done. 🙁

      December 18, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Dorothy Gray

      lionlylamb, huh???

      December 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Dorothy Gray,

      In other words, "Our token deeds of tenured giving are all the masses can ever do to and for this world's needy".

      December 18, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • .

      Dorothy, LL is the belief blog idiot.

      December 18, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
  9. Believe in Facts

    Scientists have unearthed the first direct signs of cheesemaking, at a site in Poland that dates back 7,500 years.
    Human Evolution (1 of 2)

    December 18, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • Rational Humanist

      I'll bet that cheese is pretty scary looking after 7500 yrs...if there's any left.

      December 18, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      Cheese is delicious.

      December 18, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Akira

      Cheese is absolutely delicious.
      Blessed Are The Cheesemakers.

      December 18, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      I'm a vegetarian, one time I tried to go all the way vegan. That lasted about 2 hours. I couldn't go without cheese.

      December 18, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Belive in Facts it Might Help

      It is holy too. (cheese)

      December 18, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Akira

      Oh, my!
      I wouldn't last 2 hours, either!
      I love cheese.

      I see what you did there, lol.

      December 18, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
  10. Akira

    Oh. My. Goodness.
    The Westboro fvcktards are going to picket the funerals of these kids??
    Why don't they all just drink some kool-ade and relieve this planet of their hateful, spiteful, poisonous presence?
    Can they truly believe that they are speaking for anyone but their own bigoted selves?

    December 18, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • Huebert

      The Westborro fundits are absolutely true believers. If they didn't truly believe the vitriol that they preach, they would not do such vile things.

      December 18, 2012 at 11:10 am |
    • Topher

      Yes, the Westboro people are disgusting and do not represent the Gospel (or God for that matter) in any way.

      December 18, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Pete

      There is not a bit of difference between them and the people who think that the shooting was some sort of punishment for taking god out of schools.

      December 18, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • Topher

      I'm not a prophet so I can't tell you why this specific event happened, but I can tell you why things LIKE this happen. It's because we live in a fallen world that continues to turn away from God more and more.

      December 18, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Akira

      God hasn't been taken out of school; kids pray there all the time.
      Those sick people who think this is retribution for separation of church and state are just as sick as the Westboro gang, I agree.

      December 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      Topher, maybe I've misinterpreted Christian views, but If I'm correct, as you stated the world is turning away from God and by Biblical prophecy the world will continue to do so. So am I correct in stating that Christians think we are all screwed as far as this life is concerned?

      December 18, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Pete

      They may be slightly better because they are not out protesting funerals, but in the end it is the same mindset.

      December 18, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Topher

      Can you be more specific?

      December 18, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Topher


      Well, the Bible does say things are going to continue to get worse and worse, yes. First, we live in a fallen world in which evil exists and awful things like the shooting happen. Because of the curse, there's illness and death, which we'll all go through ... seeing loved ones and eventually ourselves die. But we also will continue to see people turn away from God and society continue to go downhill. Eventually, we'll have the Tribulation and then Great Tribulation. So no, things don't look to good for "this life."

      (Hope that answers your question.)

      December 18, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      Topher, yes, definetly answers the question. But how does one have incentive to try to help society when one is 100% certain it is only going to get worse?

      December 18, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  11. Religion is the cause of and non-solution to all problems

    How's the Jesus myth crowd this fine Tuesday?

    December 18, 2012 at 9:20 am |
    • faith

      All gods all gods from every religion are fake made up, history shows us that and yet we still have so many locked in the belief that this is a real thing real heaven real hell real god, the insanity of it all bogles the mind."

      atheists are the cause of all the world's problems

      April 5, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Check yourself into the nearest hospital, faith, you're in desperate need of medical help, it appears.

      April 5, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
  12. Robert Brown

    If you are thirsty, come and drink water! If you don’t have any money, come, eat what you want! Drink wine and milk without paying a cent. Why waste your money on what really isn’t food? Why work hard for something that doesn’t satisfy? Listen carefully to me, and you will enjoy the very best foods.
    Pay close attention! Come to me and live.
    Turn to the Lord! He can still be found. Call out to God! He is near. Give up your crooked ways and your evil thoughts. Return to the Lord our God. He will be merciful and forgive your sins.
    When you are set free, you will celebrate and travel home in peace.
    Excerpts from the 55th chapter of the prophet Isaiah (CEV)
    This is God’s call to you, today. This is the real Christmas story. If you are thirsty, or if you desire to know God, you will be satisfied. If you don’t want him, then the offer is not for you, but if you have the want, then accept his free gift. If you have the desire then he is near, call on him. He will forgive you and set you free. There is joy in salvation, joy to the world.

    December 18, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • Brian

      " This is the real Christmas story."

      No it's not your Christ wasn't even born in December it was stolen from other pagan holidays, especially the winter Solstice. Christians today don't even grasp the concept that your Christ would not have been white! (which means many of you are worshiping an idol too.) Your religion was stolen from all the other pagan religions during that time period and it's just not true.

      December 18, 2012 at 9:27 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Yes, it is. Christmas is not about a sweet little baby in a manger. It is God’s offer of redemption for those who want it. If you don’t want it, it isn’t for you. Maybe someday you will get thirsty.
      An idol is anything you put above God. The most prevalent idol today is covetousness. People want a lot of things money, comfort, power, fame, pleasure, & etc. What about God? What about peace, hope, and joy? They think all these material things will give them peace, hope, and joy. If God lets you live long enough you could be fortunate enough to realize that there is only one way to obtain peace, hope, and joy.
      God himself speaks harshly of meaningless religious practices in his word, so your comment “your religion…” is also meaningless. I don’t see Christianity as a religion. I see it as a relationship.
      Who stole what from whom?

      December 18, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • Huh?

      " I don’t see Christianity as a religion. I see it as a relationship.
      Who stole what from whom?"

      You stole it from Mithra, your Christ is a fraud.

      Was born of a virgin on December 25th, in a cave, attended by shepherds
      Was considered a great traveling teacher and master
      Had 12 companions or disciples
      Promised his followers immortality
      Performed miracles
      Sacrificed himself for world peace
      Was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again
      Was celebrated each year at the time of His resurrection (later to become Easter)
      Was called "the Good Shepherd"
      Was identified with both the Lamb and the Lion
      Was considered to be the "Way, the Truth and the Light," and the "Logos," "Redeemer," "Savior" and "Messiah."
      Celebrated Sunday as His sacred day (also known as the "Lord's Day,")
      Celebrated a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper"

      All hail Mithra!

      December 18, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • Robert Brown

      I have read the mithra stuff before and found it to be very weakly supported. Take a look at where the comparisons are coming from. Junk like this is propagated by the enemy. Don’t be deceived. If there was any theft mithra was stolen from the prophesies in the OT of the coming messiah, then later embellished.

      December 18, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • Apple Bush

      Comparative Mythology 101

      Horus: Egyptian, 6000 BC
      Dionysus: Greek, 1500 BC
      Attis: Greek, 1200 BC
      Mithra: Zoroastrian, 600 BC
      Krishna: Hindu, 400 BC
      Jesus: Christian, 30 AD
      A) Born on Dec. 25 – Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus (by way of plagiarizing a Pagan holiday)
      B) Virgin Birth – Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus
      C) Sign of Star in the East – Horus, Krishna, Jesus
      D) Adorned by 3 Kings – Horus, Jesus
      E) Teacher at age 12 – Horus, Mithra, Jesus
      F) Ministry started at 30 – Horus, Jesus
      G) 12 Disciples – Horus, Mithra, Jesus
      H) Traveled with Disciples Performing Miracles – Horus, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus
      I) AKA The Truth, the Light, God’s Shepherd – Horus, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus
      J) Betrayed – Horus, Mithra, Jesus
      K) Crucified – Horus, Attis, Mithra, Jesus
      L) Buried 3 days – Horus, Attis, Mithra, Jesus
      M) Resurrected – Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus

      December 18, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • This isn't even all of them,..

      Born of a virgin, Isis. Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Birth heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star. Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human. Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to have Horus murdered. Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus’ mother “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” An angel tells Jesus’ father to: “Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.” Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30. Age at baptism: 30. Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. Was crucified, descended into Hell; resurrected after three days.

      Attis of Phrygia:
      Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana. He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers. He was both the Divine Son and the Father. On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth. He descended into the underworld. After three days, Attis was resurrected.

      Zoroaster was born of a virgin and “immaculate conception by a ray of divine reason.” He was baptized in a river. In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom. He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil. He began his ministry at age 30. Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and “holy wind.” He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man. He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse. He had a sacred cup or grail. He was slain. His religion had a eucharist. He was the “Word made flesh.” Zoroaster’s followers expected a “second coming” in the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 AD and begin his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.

      In the middle of the 100s AD, out along the south coast of the Black Sea, Glycon was the son of the God Apollo, who: came to Earth through a miraculous birth, was the Earthly manifestation of divinity, came to earth in fulfillment of divine prophecy, gave his chief believer the power of prophecy, gave believers the power to speak in tongues, performed miracles, healed the sick, and raised the dead.

      Heracles is the Son of a god (Zeus). It is recorded that Zeus is both the father and great-great- great grandfather of Heracles, just as Jesus is essentially his own grandpa, being both “The root and offspring of David” (Revelation 22:16) as he is part of the triune God which is the father of Adam and eventually of Jesus. Both are doubly related to the Supreme God.

      Diodorus writes that, “For as regards the magnitude of the deeds which he accomplished it is generally agreed that Heracles has been handed down as one who surpassed all men of whom memory from the beginning of time has brought down an account; consequently it is a difficult attainment to report each one of his deeds in a worthy manner and to present a record which shall be on a level with labours so great, the magnitude of which won for him the prize of immortality.”
      Jesus is also said to have done a very large number of good works. John 21:25 says that: “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”

      Hera tries to kill Heracles as an infant by sending two serpents after him, yet Heracles survives by strangling them. This parallels Herod’s slaughter of the innocents in an attempt to kill Jesus (Matthew 2:13-16).
      Heracles makes a descent into Hades and returns from it with Theseus and Peirithoüs, just as Jesus descends into the “lower parts of the earth” or Hades (Ephesians 4:7-8); Though Jesus does not bring anyone up from it. Heracles’ body is not found and he is assumed to have been taken by the gods: “After this, when the companions of Iolaüs came to gather up the bones of Heracles and found not a single bone anywhere, they assumed that, in accordance with the words of the oracle, he had passed from among men into the company of the gods.”

      Romulus is born of a vestal virgin, which was a priestess of the hearth god Vesta sworn to celibacy. His mother claims that the divine impregnated her, yet this is not believed by the King. Romulus and his twin brother, Remus, are tossed in the river and left for dead. (A “slaughter of the innocents” tale which parallels that of Matthew 2:13-16). Romulus is hailed as the son of god. He is “snatched away to heaven” by a whirlwind (It is assumed that the gods took him), and he makes post mortem appearances. In his work Numa Pompilius, Plutarch records that there was a darkness covering the earth before his death (Just as there was during Jesus’ death according to Mark 15:33). He also states that Romulus is to be known afterwards as ‘Quirinus’; A god which belonged to the Archiac Triad (a “triple deity” similar to the concept of the Trinity).

      Homeric tales about Odysseus emphasize his suffering life; just as in Mark Jesus said that he, too, would suffer greatly. Odysseus is a carpenter like Jesus, and he wants to return his home just as Jesus wants to be welcomed in his native home and later to God’s home in Jerusalem. Odysseus is plagued with unfaithful and dim-witted companions who display tragic flaws. They stupidly open a magic bag of wind while Odysseus sleeps and release terrible tempests which prevent their return home. These sailors are comparable to Jesus’ disciples, who disbelieve Jesus, ask foolish questions, and show general ignorance about everything. It’s amazing that either Odysseus or Jesus ever manage to accomplish anything, given the companions they have, but this simply demonstrates the power and ability of the one true leader who has a divine mandate to lead the people out of darkness and into a brighter future.

      According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki, his mother. Christ and Krishna were called both God and the Son of God. Both were sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man. Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity. Krishna’s adoptive human father was also a carpenter. A spirit or ghost was their actual father. Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent. Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star. Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna’s parents stayed in Mathura. Both Christ and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted. Both were identified as “the seed of the woman bruising the serpent’s head.” Jesus was called “the lion of the tribe of Judah.” Krishna was called “the lion of the tribe of Saki.” Both claimed: “I am the Resurrection.” Both were “without sin.” Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine. Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured “all manner of diseases.” Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead. Both selected disciples to spread his teachings. Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners. Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies. Both were crucified and both were resurrected.

      Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom. Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for forty–seven days and Jesus for forty. Both wandered to a fig tree at the conclusion of their fasts. Both were about the same age when they began their public ministry:
      “When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self–possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince, determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great renunciation. At the time he was twenty–nine years of age… “Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age.” (Luke 3:23). Both were tempted by the “devil” at the beginning of their ministry: To Buddha, he said: “Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents.” To Jesus, he said: “All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me” (Matthew 4:9). Buddha answered the “devil”: “Get you away from me.”

      Jesus responded: “…be gone, Satan!” (Matthew 4:10). Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth. According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic’s eye once offended him, so he plucked it out and cast it away. Jesus said: “If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, and throw it away;” (Matthew 5:29).

      Was born of a virgin on December 25th, in a cave, attended by shepherds
      Was considered a great traveling teacher and master
      Had 12 companions or disciples
      Promised his followers immortality
      Performed miracles
      Sacrificed himself for world peace
      Was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again
      Was celebrated each year at the time of His resurrection (later to become Easter)
      Was called "the Good Shepherd"
      Was identified with both the Lamb and the Lion
      Was considered to be the "Way, the Truth and the Light," and the "Logos," "Redeemer," "Savior" and "Messiah."
      Celebrated Sunday as His sacred day (also known as the "Lord's Day,")
      Celebrated a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper"

      Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger. He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles. He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.” He was a sacred king killed and eaten in a Eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification. Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25. He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine. He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.” He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.” He was identified with the Ram or Lamb. His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.

      December 18, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • JWT

      Hmm. I have to say that I am free and satisfied in life and free of god as well.

      December 18, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Apple Bush,
      You can believe what your mythology professor tells you if you want, but if Horus was from 6000 bc and his daddy Osiris first recorded history was 2300 bc then you might want to recheck your facts.
      There are writers who dated Osiris as early as 10,500 bc, one prominent writer is the one who started the 6000 bc notion.
      O Osiris, who art in the Mountain of Amentet, be content, for thy son Horus is stablished upon thy throne...
      These are all interesting conjectures yet the fact remains, as Bauval concedes, that prior to 2300 BC among the large quanti.ties of inscriptions that have been found, absolutely none of them mention or refer to Osiris or to his alter-ego Sokar. With this fact in mind it is far more likely then that the historical figure of Osiris is to be found only a few hundred years, rather than a few thousand years, before his appearance, fully-evolved and fully-functional, at the heart of Egyptian religion.
      Also, if you will, consider that Joseph came to Egypt within the range of time including 2300 bc, so again who stole what from whom?

      December 18, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Huh?

      "I have read the mithra stuff before and found it to be very weakly supported. Take a look at where the comparisons are coming from. Junk like this is propagated by the enemy. Don’t be deceived."

      You're the one deceived and that is the point, the bible can be debunked too, it can be shown it stole things from other religions. We all know you'll keep making excuses to not want to see that fact. There is no concrete proof Jesus was the son of a God or that your particular God actually exists.

      December 18, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Rational Humanist

      @Robert Brown
      You said, "Also, if you will, consider that Joseph came to Egypt within the range of time including 2300 bc, so again who stole what from whom?"

      May I just point out that we are talking about Jesus here, so in terms of who did what first, it is clearly evident that Joseph as well as Paul stole puh-lenty from those Egyptian myths to bolster their own...or didn't you think of that?

      December 18, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
  13. ????????????

    M-y wife and I recently signed up for 23.anadem, which analyzes a sample of ones DNA. It is useful for identifying potential health risks, and tracing an.cestry. My own ancestry, through the genes, was mun.dane My wife had a remarkable ge.netic make up, which includes 3percent gen.etic material which is N-eanderthal. She is Ja-panese, with Sp-anish, French, Sl-avic, and South American na-tive (think Inca) background. But several thousand years ago (note this; it must have occurred well before 8000 years ago which creationists believe was about the time that g-od created man), a very distant ancestor of hers m-ated with a N-eanderthal. I know this is hard to believe, it is hard for me to believe, but this is true, and should cause some of you to think, as it has caused me to do. For those who wonder what this cross looks like – she is beautiful.

    December 18, 2012 at 7:48 am |
    • Tired of lying atheist agenda

      You nonbelievers are the only ones holding on and spreading this lie. Jesus never states in the Bible how old the world is. You'd know that if you ever read the Bible instead of listening to other nonbelievers.

      December 18, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • William Demuth


      I have read the Bible for almost half a century, including cover to cover on at least eighteen different occasions.

      I have read it in good times and bad. I have read ancient versions and modern ones, popular interpretations and obscure ones.

      The only thing I found of any note is how blatantly it has been manipulated by men to seduce the minds of the simple.

      And you are living proof it worked like a charm!

      December 18, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • lionlylamb

      William Demuth,

      I have strewn this world over in my mind's conscious conscience and have concluded that this world's ills are from mankind's deceptive practices of disparagements in vileness of willfully wanton deceptive practices of self indulgences meant only for selfish ambitions sakes.

      December 18, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Lionlylamb Translator

      In English the above reads:

      Derp a Derp a Derp

      December 18, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
  14. 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

    Just added Dominos's to my "do not give these believer idiots money" list. . .

    December 18, 2012 at 6:44 am |
    • lunchbreaker

      Don't ruin Domino's for me. Their new deep dish is so delicious. So, what did they do?

      December 18, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I have boycotted Domino's for years because of the founder's anti-choice views.

      December 18, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • Apple Bush

      I have boycotted Domino's for years because of their anti-edible food views.

      December 18, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Akira

      I have boycotted it for years because of their sh!tty pizza.

      December 18, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • Rational Humanist

      I, too, have refused to buy any more of their shitty pizza for many years. I also hate Pizza Hut.

      December 18, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Akira

      Ugh. The cardboard box the pizza arrives in has more taste.

      December 18, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Rational Humanist

      I'm impressed you tried eating the cardboard box. Most people don't eat cardboard. 😉

      December 18, 2012 at 4:07 pm |

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    • &$32;
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