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Christmas exposes atheist divide on dealing with religion
December 20th, 2012
06:00 AM ET

Christmas exposes atheist divide on dealing with religion

By Dan Merica, CNN
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Washington (CNN) – The Christmas season is revealing a growing rift among American atheists when it comes to the question of how to deal with religion.

Some atheist activists are trying to seize the holidays as a time to build bridges with faith groups, while other active unbelievers increasingly see Christmas as a central front in the war on religious faith. With the dramatic growth of the nonreligious in the last few decades, more atheist leaders are emerging as spokespeople for atheism, but the Christmas rift speaks to growing disagreement over how atheists should treat religion.

On the religion-bashing side, there’s David Silverman, president of the group American Atheists, which raised one of its provocative trademark billboards in New York’s Times Square last week. “Keep the MERRY!” it says. “Dump the MYTH!”
The sign features a picture of a jolly Santa Clause and another of Jesus dying on the cross – a not-so-subtle attack on Christianity.

“Christianity stole Christmas in the first place and they don’t own the season, they don’t own the Christmas season,” Silverman said, pointing to pagan winter solstice celebrations that predated Jesus Christ. “When they say keep Christ in Christmas, they are actually saying put Christ back in Christmas.”

The New York billboard, which will be up until early January and is costing the group at least $25,000, is the latest in a long line of provocative American Atheists signs, which attacked then-Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s religion during this year’s presidential campaign.

It’s not the only way Silverman is using Christmas to attack Christianity. In a recent TV interview with Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly, he said the American Atheist office be open on Christmas Day and called for an end to Christmas as a federal holiday.

O’Reilly, in turn, called Silverman a fascist.

Despite Silverman’s knack for making headlines, however, other prominent atheists are putting a softer face on the movement, including during Christmastime.

“I just think the whole war on Christmas story is bizarre” said Greg Epstein, the Humanist Chaplain at Harvard University, who has emerged as another spokesman for the burgeoning atheist movement. “I think that any atheist or humanist that is participating in that story needs to find better things to do with their time.”

From his point of view, atheism and religion can happily coexist, including at the holidays.

At the chaplaincy, Epstein has reached out to local religious groups, packaging holiday meals and breaking bread with believers to discuss their similarities and differences.

Sponsored by the Humanist Community at Harvard, evangelical Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Zoroastrians, along with a number of atheists, were among those represented at a recent meal packaging event for hungry kids in the Boston area. Around 250 people participated and over $10,000 was raised – including donations from local Lutheran and Methodist churches.
Epstein calls this sort of inter-religious dialogue “healthy.”

“We as a community need to be about the positive and we have so much positive to offer,” he said. “I think that we really can provide a positive alternative to religious holidays that are not meaningful because of their religious content.”
Silverman, for his part, is more than comfortable being negative when it comes to religion.

“We should look at the results - people are listening to us because we are shouting,” he said. “They don’t hear you unless you shout. … Sometimes you have to put political correctness aside. We need to get louder. I believe we are seeing the fruits of that volume.”

As proof, American Atheists points to the way their donations skyrocket after every billboard campaign. “We get donations and memberships because we are taking the stand that we do,” said Silverman, who would not give specific numbers on fundraising. “The donations are flowing in right now. People are loving it specifically because of the billboard.”

Epstein would rather see more emphasis on volunteerism, though he acknowledges that some atheists are drawn to Silverman’s vocal model. Both men said they appeal to different parts of the atheist movement.

“We are GOP and Dem, man and women, black and white – the only thing that holds us together is atheism,” Silverman said. “A movement like ours needs all sides. It needs people who are working to be conciliatory and it needs people who are willing to raise their voices.”

Religious “nones” – a combination of atheists, agnostics and the religiously unaffiliated, have been growing their ranks in recent years. According to a Pew Research study released this year, the fastest growing "religious" group in America is made up of people with no religion at all as one in five Americans is not affiliated with any religion.

The survey found that the unaffiliated are growing even faster among younger Americans. According to the poll, 34% of “younger millennials” - those born between 1990 and 1994 - are religiously unaffiliated.

Though not monolithic, younger atheists, according to Jesse Galef, communications director of the Secular Student Alliance, are more prone to celebrate a secular version of Christmas than to ignore the holiday.

“I am very much in favor of celebrating the secular Christmas,” Galef said. “It is a celebration of the spirit of giving and I think religious divisiveness goes against that effort.”

Other atheists celebrate Festivus, a December 23 holiday meant for atheists looking to celebrate during the winter without participating in a Christian holiday. The holiday, which entered into popular culture through the television show “Seinfeld” in 1997, has gained popularity in recent years.

At the Secular Student Alliance office in Columbus, Ohio, the staff will play Secret Sagan, a nod to the famed scientist, instead of Secret Santa. And instead of Christmas decorations, they put up a Winter Solstice Tree with ornaments from the movie “When the Grinch Stole Christmas.”

“We celebrate the holiday season, just not the religious holiday,” Galef said.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Christmas

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  1. Brandon

    Here's what I don't get.

    First, a lot of the atheist's in these comments are spewing as much hate as they claim the Bible does. Seems to me that the overarching "problem" is a humanity issue, not a faith issue.

    Second, I don't believe in Bigfoot. He might very well exist, so I could be wrong, but for now I don't believe he does. That being said, because I don't believe in Bigfoot, I don't see the point in ridiculing and belittling those that do. I'm quite okay with people spending money on fancy equipment and walking around in the woods trying to find Sasquatch. It doesn't affect me in the least. So why do some athiests put so much energy into attacking people of faith (usually Christians, I don't seem to see any billboards going up in Tehran...)? Shouldn't they just smile and carry on with their day?

    The biggest attack seems to be on the teachings of the Bible, so let me give you the high points of what I was taught growing up in church in the South: treat others with love and kindness, help those that need help, conduct yourself in an appropriate manner (don't kill, don't like, don't steal...), and be thankful. Surely that can't be what is getting attacked, right? Again, the real issue is rarely the tenants of a faith, but what imperfect people do with it.

    January 2, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
    • sam stone

      i think the attack is largely based on attempts to codify those religious beliefs into our secular laws

      January 2, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • Brandon

      True, and history proves that when religion is in governmental power, the people wielding that power (no matter how good their intentions may be) more often than not screw it up. However, the central behavior-based rules of most religions are more than appropriate as laws. In the case of this article however, it seems that the Freedom of Religion (or freedom from it, as some desire) is only working one way in the minds of some. These particular athiests seem intent on attacking the core reason that Christians celebrate the holiday, which is no different ideologically speaking than Christians attacking any other religion for trying to celebrate their holiday. Again, this does not seem as much an expression of their beliefs as it does a vendetta against Christianity. I for one can't take them seriously as a non-faith group unless they do the same thing for Jewish and Islamic holidays. Kudos to the athiests mentioned in the article who simply live their life as opposed to trying to evangelicize it, which is what so many people say they wish Christianity would do. I maintain that most people believe what they want to believe about Christians because they either have had a bad experience with a Christian or simply don't like feeling like they are being told that any part of their life may not be right. A basic understanding of the faith demonstrates that a person is openly declaring that they are far from perfect simply by being a Christian, and many of the things they speak out against come from a place of love. Life is cherished in Christianity, and Christians value a person and their eternity enough to strive to help them do the things the Bible says are needed to go to Heaven. Plenty don't do it in a way that speaks well of them as individuals or as representatives of the faith, but the mindset behind what the faith asks of its followers is a loving directive.

      January 2, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      brandon: would you seriously desire to be alive forever?

      January 3, 2013 at 7:51 am |
    • Brandon

      If we were talking about a Highlander or vampire kind of eternal life, then no. Although swordfighting until lighting levels you up does have a certain intrigue to it. But that's not really what Christians believe Heaven to be anyway.

      January 3, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • sam stone

      brandon: so, you do wish to live forever? why?

      January 4, 2013 at 7:03 am |
  2. Seyedibar

    As there is nothing Christian about Christmas beyond the modern name, it poses no dilemma for me to practice it. Solstice celebration and gift-giving predate Christianity by a few milennia.

    January 2, 2013 at 10:50 am |
  3. Grumpster

    Oh, there goes CNN stirring another non-existent pot to foster the magic man in the sky even more than it already does. Show division amongst atheists to have your Christian followers revel even further in their stupidity.

    January 2, 2013 at 9:20 am |
  4. Belief and disbelief

    Belief and disbelief rarely seem to recognize eachother as two sides of the same coin.

    January 1, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Do you think that statement really added value to the discussion?

      January 1, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
    • Did that sound intelligent in your head when you typed it?

      cause...........it wasnt...

      January 1, 2013 at 7:35 pm |
    • Philosopher

      Nice try belief and disbelief. But you can't debate a philisophical concept with an elementary school put down. May I suggest a different blog for you?

      January 2, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • Philosopher

      As for the other two of you, in the words of Aristotle...I know you are but what am I?..infinity.

      January 2, 2013 at 9:03 am |
  5. PeterVN

    As the great quote says,

    "Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, the cowardly, and the stupid, and for those who would profit from them. "

    May we have less religion in 2013. I see hopeful signs that America is trending that way.

    January 1, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • Memphis

      There is hope

      January 1, 2013 at 10:32 pm |
  6. Mr Everyman

    Eternal Existence is a name for God. Atheists can now say they don't believe in existence.

    January 1, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • Athy

      Where's the logic in that?

      January 1, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • Tom L

      It's both amusing and annoying how "believers" try to create statements for atheists and then denounce the atheists for believing something they never said in the first place. Of course, it's all silly and is no way to carry out any serious debate, but then maybe the believers can't be taken seriously anyway.

      January 1, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • Mr Everyman

      To Athy and Tom L: The logic is that just as there is a singularity in physics. There is a spiritual singularity referred to as God.

      January 1, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • Kay

      Uh...no. Simply claiming that "The logic is that just as there is a singularity in physics [means] there is a spiritual singularity referred to as God" doesn't make your argument logical.

      Nor does it mean that there is a God. And it most certainly doesn't mean that atheists "can now say they don't believe in existence".

      January 1, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Root post by 'Mr Everyman' is an instance of an Equivocation Fallacy.

      http://fallacyfiles.org

      January 2, 2013 at 9:10 am |
    • sam stone

      Eternal Existance is another name for God? Based on what?

      January 2, 2013 at 9:21 am |
    • Saraswati

      I think I'm going to call evolution "Christ". Hey... 100% of christians believe in evolution!

      January 2, 2013 at 9:23 am |
    • Bet

      @Saraswati

      LOL!!

      January 2, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
  7. Witness

    There are two Christmases, the religious and the secular. Both have the potential to be uplifting, depending on your point of view – and your humanity.

    January 1, 2013 at 3:23 am |
    • DWL

      Thank you.

      January 1, 2013 at 9:46 am |
  8. mikelo

    stop all the nonsense. you cant be...there arent any athiests. you people are NOT smart enough to say there is no god. stop acting like your so smart. you dont even know where you came from or when, why and where you go when you die. besides if you really were an athiest you wouldnt care what was said about god because you say he doesnt exist and is fictional. so why do you care whats said about him? do you get upset about superman too. you get uptight because in your Heart, you know god exists.

    January 1, 2013 at 12:09 am |
    • mike

      yea well said mikelo, how do they know. they dont even what there gonna do when they get ahlziemers

      January 1, 2013 at 12:30 am |
    • Moby Schtick

      Oh, gosh! You're right! I Never thought of it like that before. I DON'T know where I came from or why the universe is here. Hmm.. Up until now I just honestly said that I didn't know. Hmmm.. But now, I have the answer!!! BIG INVISIBLE SKY WIZARD WITH MAGIC SPELLZZZZZZZ!!!! YAY!!!

      January 1, 2013 at 2:04 am |
    • Hello

      so you think you are smart enough to say they do exist?

      January 1, 2013 at 6:58 am |
    • Hello

      So those who make up gods are smarter than you. But they are no smarter than me, because I know they are lying.

      January 1, 2013 at 7:12 am |
    • are122

      Do you suppose it was an atheist that set forth the laws of physics that govern the universe?

      January 1, 2013 at 7:45 am |
    • mique

      It really is OK to say "I do not know", especially when you do not know.

      January 1, 2013 at 8:12 am |
    • mike

      yea its true , i have met him. he has changed my life

      January 1, 2013 at 9:30 am |
    • Kev

      Another christian who knows exactly what I think. Is this a a genetic predisposition that allows you to read the "hearts" of an atheist? Or is it a skill that you acquire with the practice of your telecommunication with your god. Forgive me but, simply because you haven't the education, imagination or courage to face your life without a god does not necessitate that I have to have one.
      Now if you and your fellow christians will kindly refrain from knocking on my door, attempting to put your religion in my schools and government and forcing your particular brand of christianity down my throat at every street and parking lot I would appreciate it.
      I can and have lived a very satisfying life without your god and your sanctimonious self-righteous brand of B.S.
      Should you bother to reply to this statement please refrain from the usual variation of Pascal's wager. I have no fear of your imaginary god or your imaginary hell.

      January 1, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • Tom L

      In my guts I know you're nuts.

      January 1, 2013 at 6:12 pm |
    • Terrensentient

      mikelo, one thing that actually can be proven definitely is that Christian god does not exist. Same for other specific gods of specific mainstream religions. All one has to do is consider the set of characteristics that are claimed for them.

      January 2, 2013 at 9:07 am |
    • Saraswati

      @Terrensentient, For some representations I think this is true, but in most religions there is enough diversity of opinion about the characteristics held by a god and also an openness by many to accept that some of the characteristics they attribute may not be accurate.

      January 2, 2013 at 9:15 am |
    • Seyedibar

      How hilarious is it that every atheist i've ever met knows more about the christian religion than actual practicioners?

      January 2, 2013 at 10:51 am |
  9. Hello

    Read Caesar's Messiah by Joseph Atwill

    January 1, 2013 at 12:02 am |
  10. Tina

    It is amazing to me how many people who say they are christians and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ, yet they celebrate the pagan holiday now known as Christmas.In addition, it does Jesus Christ a dishonor to associate his name to such a commercial greed event. You want to know why there are so many non-believers? It's because of holidays like these where people see the hypocrisy and disconnect.

    December 31, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • Guest

      Look up the word "Catholic". It means all inclusive. As pagan converts were welcomed into the church they were accustomed to festivals at certain times of the year. They simply brought their customs & some of them blended with the current church customs. A church changes & grows over 20 centuries.
      Anytime new people enter the church or move to another area there is a cultural shift. For example; the Italians who immigrated to America brought the Saint Nicholas tradition(December 6th feast day) with them, & he became more popular than the English favorite figure, Father Christmas.
      This particular saint's feast day is close to the nativity, so it is no surprise that he would become associated with it. Nickolas was the 3rd century Bishop of Myra who had quite a reputation for secret gift giving to children. He would leave coins in their shoes, or throw bags of coin into the house to be used as a dowry for poor children. This kept the children from being sold as slaves by their impoverished parents. Legend has it a bag of coins was found in a stocking that had been hung by the fire to dry. This is the real historical Saint Nick. Originally he was depicted wearing a bishop's cape & mitre. There were no reindeer. A lot of things were added in the 1823 poem "A Visit From Saint Nickolas" that is now known as "Twas The Night Before Christmas".
      The older version of the Saint Nickolas legend found an echo in the story of the 3 gifts of the Magi as it it was gradually drawn into the customs surrounding the Nativity.
      The Nativity itself has been moved several times by the church. One of the latest times was when calendars were corrected around the 13th or 14th century. We have old carols that sing of the bells ringing on midwinter's eve & children trying to stay awake to greet the Christ child. They moved the date ahead several days because the old calendar had gradually acquired a time shift that we now use leap day to correct. Time keeping was not very accurate, & just was not considered to be as important as how we think of it now.
      I find it quite amusing when people who are not part of my faith nit pick about our customs. The gospels & the eucharist are used each day all over the world. The Eucharist is the reenactment of the passover feast before the crucifixion. Although Catholic churches are part of a miriad of cultures, each with their own favorite stories & celebrations....I could go to any mass, any where, & know exactly what was happening, & feel welcome. For example; This Autumn at Our Lady of Czestochowa, the mass was in Polish, but I knew exactly what was happening the entire time. When I was young, the mass was said in Latin all over the world so that a pilgrim could travel to far countries & the mass would be exactly the same, every where. A common bond. A communion of spirit. A place where people help each other. Go ahead & laugh if you want to. Merry Christmas to all & peace to all men of good will.

      January 1, 2013 at 7:14 am |
    • Lilly

      Long before Christianity came along usurping the midwinter festival of various people, there was the Yule Festival of northern Germanic and Norwegian people, Mōdraniht of the Saxons, Saturnalia of the early Romans and Sol Invictus of the later Romans. And long before those the Solstice festivals and celebrations have always had a place in any agrarian society.

      January 1, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
  11. kirk1

    atheists go to atheist blog, you wont find anybody because blog doesn't exist

    December 31, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • Russells Teapot

      Superfluous since everything in an athirst blog would inevitably have something to do with religion and belief...

      December 31, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
  12. Just call me Lucifer

    Atheists – 1

    Gods – 0

    December 31, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • Guest

      Malice & spite never win.
      Hatred is like acid. It harms the vessel it is contained in much more than the object it is poured out upon.

      That was a swoosher... Nothing but net.
      A 2 pointer 0;)

      January 1, 2013 at 7:28 am |
  13. kirk1

    (2 Thessalonians 1:6-10) 6 This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for YOU, 7 but, to YOU who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder in connection with all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among YOU.

    December 31, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Russells Teapot

      That doesn't strengthen your argument, because what it boils down to is that you WILL be punished eternally for what amounts to a thought crime. Some love there. Get off your high horse

      December 31, 2012 at 9:52 pm |
    • Hello

      where did the concept of punishment after death come from? and why?
      It is a mythic tool to control people,... nothing more...

      January 1, 2013 at 7:15 am |
    • albert

      Interesting that you fail to mention that Christmas is nowhere to be found in the Bible. Jesus NEVER asked his followers to celebrate his birth nor did his early followers in the Bible ever celebrate it. The atheists are right on this one. Christmas is a pagan based holiday. Do you realize how many Biblical principles and laws you are breaking by celebrating Christmas? It is this type of hypocrisy by so called "Christians" that turn many away from God. All of you so-called "Christians hear this; Satan doesn't care how you worship him as long as you don't worship the true God. Celebrations like Christmas and Easter are his his tools.

      January 1, 2013 at 9:39 am |
    • Tom L

      Always fire, brimstone, punishment, etc.

      January 1, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
  14. Roman

    Here's what I don't understand: What good does it do for any Christian to attack an Atheist or vice-versa? If you believe in the Bible, you should love everyone, whether you agree with them or not. I'm a Christian and frankly, I don't judge someone if that person is an atheist. I've seen MANY Christians do evil things. I could also say the same for atheists. I have met many in my day and have seen them do evil as well. It's not about moral authority. If that's the case, we're all wrong. As far as many people talking about the Government and Christianity, try as we might (as I am a Christian who is for the separation of church and state), we cannot deny that this country if founded by Christians and that their beliefs have permeated through every chamber of government. It will be long after we all have passed before that changes dramatically. Also I saw someone on here say that Islam and other religions don't treat people like Christianity does, which is a hilarious notion to me. What about some Muslims and their treatment of women? All I'm saying is, we need to all get off our high horses, try a little bi-partisan discourse and MAYBE we can figure some things out. Until then, all this internet grandstanding from both sides is for naught.

    December 31, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Yvonne Morgan

      I'm an atheist and I couldn't agree with you more. One's understanding of how the earth was created does not make a person good or bad but how they judge others based on that understanding is a different story. I find it odd that so many atheists claim they dislike religion and Christianity in particular because it causes people to be judgemental and criticize others who are different, then they turn around and do the very same thing. Perhaps it is this war we can't seem to get out of? I think we could all do with a little more understanding and a lot less judgement and frowning upon people for being different. It's okay for people not to think exactly the same way. It really is.

      December 31, 2012 at 11:13 pm |
    • Lilly

      But the majority of the Bible is not about love. It's about hate, prejudice, intolerance and subjugation.

      January 1, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
  15. kirk1

    hmm, let me see. the house i live in wasnt built by anyone, it just happened by chance. i would be called crazy if i told most people that idea, what about the universe, happened by accident?
    a teacher asked the class, see the trees outside, yes..see the houses, they replied yes, see god? they said no, the teacher said thats because there is no god. student stands up, asks class, see teachers eyes, yes. see teachers nose, yes. see teachers brains? no. that because teacher doesnt have one!

    December 31, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • sam stone

      how do you make the logical leap from a creator to a god?

      January 2, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • tallulah13

      Kirk? Your ignorance is not proof of god. And your poorly told joke is silly, because it's easy enough to prove a brain exists, but there remains no proof of god.

      January 2, 2013 at 10:58 am |
  16. markinator

    Many xtian apologists have been posting here. There are also many atheist posters present. I'm atheist, but I have a fascination about the human predilection to develop and posit religious beliefs, when they know fully well such claims violate the laws of nature that we know to be inviolate. This is perhaps a euphemistic approach, discovered at first by accident. But when organized religions first made claims of being "infallible" or "inerrant", this should have been a huge red-flag warning that these people have strange religious convictions. The bible tells about Jesus walking on water, and that Jesus was God-Made-Man. If he was Man, he could not have walked on water that was not frozen. It's a lie. Physics quickly dismisses every miracle that the bible mentions. Yet we see groups like the Catholic bishops turn their noses in the air, and simply disregard the verifiable proof that destroys biblical claims. Adam and Eve could not possibly have been true - Adam was supposedly created by God. But God spent himself on Adam, and had to borrow a rib from Adam just to create Eve. They even allegedly had children. Two of these kids were Cain and Abel, but the bible tells us that Cain slew Abel, and then took a wife. From where did Cain's wife originate? Tell us, bible thumpers, where did Cain find a wife? Parting of the Red Sea isn't even a funny joke. No person can wave a scepter and part a sea. Immaculate conception has me ROFLMAO. The only people that rise from the dead were not dead in the first place. Methuselah wasn't quite that old. We can all change water into wine. What's so special about that?

    December 31, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • Info

      markinator,
      "Immaculate conception has me ROFLMAO"

      Yep, the immaculate conception is a laugher... but I suspect that you are thinking of the virgin birth.
      (The immaculate conception is that Mary was conceived without "Original Sin", not that she conceived Jesus as a virgin)

      Good post otherwise!

      December 31, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Matt-Mark-John-Jesus

      Cain took his sister as his wife, Just like abraham. it was allowed back then

      January 1, 2013 at 2:00 am |
  17. kirk1

    this is hilarious, atheists in religious blogs, talking smack against christmas which is has pagan origins.

    December 31, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • mama k

      I think if you bother to read a little more carefully, Kirky, is that atheists are more likely to be talking about the beliefs that Christians hold for which there is no credible evidence.

      December 31, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • mama k

      ( you'll find that atheists are more . . . )

      December 31, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • kirk1

      my point was the humor of atheists in a religious blog for one and talking about santa claus that doesnt exist, ironic isnt it

      December 31, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It isn't a religious blog, idiot. It's a belief blog, and the kind of belief isn't specified. For me, it's a blog centered on my belief that people like you, kirk, are complete azzholes.

      December 31, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • Guest

      Actually, I find it sad that they feel they have to mock others. They have my sincere pity & sympathy. I pray they find joy in the coming year.
      Happy New Year this 8th day of Christmas as we celebrate Mary the Mother of God. May Peace & Joy come in abundance to all those of good will. I tip my hat to you!

      January 1, 2013 at 8:22 am |
    • sam stone

      kirk: It is a belief blog, not a religion blog

      January 2, 2013 at 9:28 am |
  18. Ol' Yeller

    "Attacking Christianity is always welcome until the last day...then??? "

    And then what happens?
    I have a rather intriguing question for Christians... Why are you posting? Why are you defending God? If He is so true and you believe Him so much, Why take the time to to try and convince others (sometimes with threats of burning lakes and sometimes with very Un-Christianlike language) who obviously fervently disbelieve as much as you believe?
    Why not just forgive us like your Savior tells you to?
    On another note... Why do you all play the victim all the time? You have been nothing if not a part of the all controlling power in the greatest Nation on Earth for many, many decades. Now all I hear is how Christianity is under attack.. the War on Christmas, etc... You have the greatest freedom of religion of any civiization ever, but you all still want that thing you can't have.
    The power to impose your religion on others.
    PEACE.

    December 31, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Lilly

      They try and impose their beliefs on others because their doctrine dictates that all good christian are suppose to do so.

      January 1, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
  19. The Colosseum is full

    Attacking Christianity is always welcome until the last day...then??? 🙂

    as a Christian being in the process to be fully developed I always welcome opposition ... it seems persectuion is fun or good for me1 🙂 insults are always welcome .. as long as you have breath you might as well use it... 🙂
    God bless all those who hate me for all the wrogn reasons .. 🙂

    December 31, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • The Truth

      Sadly, I still love you, but for all the rigth reasons...

      December 31, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
  20. knockyourheadupsideawall

    someone will always find some reason to politicize/criticize.

    greet me as you wish – i will not be offended.

    merry holidays

    just a person .....

    December 31, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
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The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.