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December 24th, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Author Lorna Byrne: I see angelsBy Stephen Walsh, CNN Are there really angels among us? Lorna Byrne claims she’s been able to see angels since she was a child. The Irish-born author of the international best-seller “Angels in My Hair” says guardian angels watch over believers and nonbelievers alike all the time. So what exactly is an angel? The word angel is derived from the Greek angelos, which means "messenger." The Hebrew word malak has the same meaning. Christian theology teaches that angels are pure spirits created by God who carry out his will on Earth. Byrne told CNN’s Dana Bash that she sees a multitude of angels that only appear around Christmastime. Watch the video to hear her describe what they look like and hear her advice to skeptics. What do you think? Are angels real? Leave your comments below.
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there is, just like for God, zero evidence that angels are real and not the figments of overactive, ignorance and fearful imaginations. there are no men with wings on their backs, sorry. it's a fairy tale, a children's story. the bible also has unicorns, satyrs, dragons and c.cokatrice in it. believe those are real too? lol. christians are silly.
Those silly Christians, like Rev. Martin Luther King, JR?
That's your comeback? lol!!
Sometimes people post things on here on how Christians are delusional, mentally ill and believe in fantasy.
None of which are necessarily true. In my experience, Christians are some of our best citizens. They are helpful to neighbors, they respond to disasters with aid and they offer help in a lot of areas where our government does not or can not.
A lot of other religious people are helpful, too. And then non-religious are helpful. It makes the world a better place.
Coming onto a "Belief Blog" and spreading hate-inspired little comments against people who are helping, is petty. Little. Small-minded. Sad.
My main point is there are a lot of Christians who have done a lot of good in this world. Martin Luther King, Jr is one of my favorite. So when somebody makes a prejudiced and bigoted comment about Christians I like to remind them about him.
I don't think he was "silly" for believing in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Generalization fallacy, entire conversation, phrase: "Christians". Categorization of people is a logic error. It is like saying "Atheists", "Americans", "Muslims", and on and on.
If you are a christian you can not take credit for the good works of Martin Luthor King any more than you can take blame for the Westboro baptist church. As a caucasian I can not take the blame for the actions of Ted Bundy or the credit for the works of George Washington.
Stop categorizing people it is just illogical.
"Byrne told CNN’s Dana Bash that she sees a multi.tude of angels that only appear around Christmastime."
Constant bombardment of Christmas music can start to make one see spots before the season ends, just don't mistake them for angels please...
Reality: no, you are having hallucinations......if there's anything else I can clear up for you, let me know.....Ok, you can go away now!
Seasonal angels?
How grand.
The greater sadness rests with those lost who cannot see angels.
You've seen them?
Please give us example of where you have seen angels, fleas.
if you really think you see angels, go get your head checked.
don't be sad, helix fattynads
Besides the fact the Lorna Byrne is obviously crazy, there is nothing wrong with her. She's either a charlatan trying to make money off this nonsense or she's certifiably insane, take your pick. The reason that they don't teach "jesus" in history class: It's a myth.
Typical Catholic Baloney, Only one of them is need to promote a Pope to god hood, way of hindu's crooks to hind fool humanity.
Will these angels seem to quite often be completely useless. It is always interesting these phonies are selling something for which they make claims that can't be verified.
"Trust me I see angels, here is a book you can buy about it"
GOd does NOT need any angel (messenger) to sell his message 😉
"Trust me there are gods, here's a book (The Babble) you can buy about them." has worked for quite a few centuries – too long in my opinion of course.
Apparently god does need salesman because he has done nothing to sell it on his own.
The current atheism is not healthy for children and other living things is a fraud.
I go on the internet on occasion and read things that come up under the search “evidence for God”, not because I need some, but because so many on here say, “show us the evidence and we will believe.” Of course, I have always replied I don’t have any, and I have yet to find anyone else who does either. What I have found are many scientists who say that there is plenty of evidence that our universe and life were not the products of chance or accidents, unless you like real long odds. So, if anyone would like to read some thoughts on why everything we perceive just didn’t happen without ______, then I would be happy to share. Peace.
1. The inner cosmology of the atomized realms. Are these realms not the first realms conceived in the grand schemes of cosmology?
2. The outer cosmology of the celestial realms. Did not this realm become conceived only after the inner cosmological realm was made nearing a completion?
3. The cellular cosmology of the living realms. Did this living realm of cosmological matter come about by sheer coincidence or was there a cosmological order for the living realms of cellular cosmology to become an ever evolving realm ending upon this celestial planetary shoreline as being mankind?
Any questions? Ask away!
The words "chance" and "accidents" are not part of the equation; they are only used when the dishonest party wishes to put forth an easy target-–they are part of strawman fallacies, not genuine debate. Stop putting forth stupid strawman arguments, Robert Brown and engage in genuine debate.
Saying that the universe and life are not products of chance or accidents is not the same thing as claiming there is an intelligence that caused them. Rain and snow are not products of chance or accidents.
Moby Schtick,
Sorry for using incorrect words. You can replace them with evolution and or natural selection if you like. I am not a scientist or learned in “genuine debate” so I wasn’t breaking the rules intentionally. Here is a little tidbit of what I was talking about. You may have read and disregarded it long ago, if so, sorry again for bothering you.
McKenzie 2008
“....Stephen Hawkins has calculated that if the rate of the universe's expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have collapsed into a fireball. British physicist P.C.W. Davies has concluded that the odds against the initial conditions being suitable for the formation of stars, which are necessary for planets and thus life, is a one followed by at least a thousand billion billion zeros. Davies also estimated that if the strength of gravity were changed by only one part in 10^100, life could never have developed. For comparison, there are only 10^80 atoms in the entire known universe. There are about fifty constants and quanti.ties. For example, the amount of usable energy in the universe, the difference in mass between protons and neutrons, the proportion of matter to antimatter. That must be balanced to a mathematically infinitesimal degree for any life to be possible. For organic life to exist, the fundamental regularities and constants of physics must all have values that together fall into an extremely narrow range.
The probability of this perfect calibration happening by chance is so tiny as to be statistically negligible. Collins puts it well: "When you look from the perspective of a scientist at the universe, it looks as if it knew we were coming. There are fifteen constants...that have precise values. If any of those constants was off by even one part in a million, or in some cases, by one part in a million million, the universe could not have been able to coalesce, there would have been no galaxy, stars, planets or people." Some have said that it is as if there were a large number of dials that all had to be tuned to within extremely narrow limits, and they were. It seem extremely unlikely that this would happen by chance. Stephen Hawkins concludes: "The odds against the Big Bang are enormous. I think there are clearly religious implications." Elsewhere he says, "It would be very difficult to explain why the universe would have begun in just this way except as the act of a God who intended to create beings like us.".....”
In more recent years Hawking was able to shake the mental illness of religion and has concluded that no god was required.
The universe is not tuned for live on earth.- life on earth arose because it could in the conditions on earth at the tome. Where else would you expect to find life as we know it other than in a place it could start and evolve?
0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls,
I know that one was kind of old. See what you think of this guy it was posted a few months ago.
Iain Carstairs
“….And by the by, 14bn years is a very short time in biological terms. It’s only 4 times 10 to the power 17 seconds. But the number of variations in even the simplest protein –would be a number multiplied by 10 to the power 100. And if you take a single protein such as t.itin, assembling the components randomly even tens of thousands of times per second and discarding each incorrect version would, in that time, completely fill the universe with the debris – a sphere of 14bn light years diameter, because you have a number so inconceivably vast it would have more than 29,000 zeroes (compared to a number with only 17 zeros for all the seconds so far since the universe began). Try a billion variations per second and you’d still not have one successful attempt, by the law of averages. Or, try a billion billion billion billion per billionth of a second, for every atom in the universe (a number with 80 zeroes) for 14 billion years, and you’d still be nowhere near succeeding. The maths showing you could fill the entire universe with failed ti.tin proteins are elsewhere on the blog.
If you still think those are waveable-away odds, that is one protein needed for all animals with muscles. Even if you forget mammals and stay with insects, they have around 15,000 genes, and their symmetry, and the cartilege joint system is staggeringly complex, as are the eyes and the chemical signalling systems. A moth can smell its mate from seven miles away. Explain how that happened by chance! Or take the silk sp.igots on a spider. Nobody has figured out how they can be worked by such a tiny brain, using six different kinds of silk, and reckoning angles and three dimensional forms so accurately from a point of view on a flat plane. These are not trivial problems, and can’t be solved randomly.
The idea of time is always waved away by Darwinists (most of whom, it turns out, have not even read his book) wave, wave, wave, problem sorted – but mathematically, it can’t be. This is a strange habit of those who say logic is on their side – it is not. They claim random behaviour sorts everything out: it can’t, in a finite universe, and you can take any molecular aspect of our biology and prove it yourself. The trick Richard Dawkins uses – to stop the clock at every correct iteration and retain it for the next one to arrive – is the work of a mathematical simpleton I’m afraid to say, because taking a protein for example, the correctness of the components – their placement and the exact amino acid used – is only correct in the context of the final structure. Without the whole structure, the partially formed components have no ability in isolation, which is why the ent.ity has to arrive in one go. But this is an unpalatable idea to the intellect, so it’s quickly waved away. 14bn years, wave, wave – problem sorted! And a tick on the nose for the peasants daring to contradict.”
Steven Hawkins like many other scientists see the cosmos as being but a singular constrained universe with an ending even though the vastness of outer space reaches far and away beyond the boundaries of a simple singularized universe! How narrow minded are today's scientists in their logistics regarding spatial relativisms! In my rather blunt way, there are myriads of universes within one cosmos and untold myriads of cosmos outside our neck of spatial relativities!
@Robert Brown
It would be mighty fvcking stupid to replace the words "chance" and "random" with "evolution" and "natural selection," wouldn't it? But anything for your precious strawmen, I see-–even abject falsehoods and lies.
Again, the only people talking "chance" and "random" are those wishing to make the other side look bad. The universe seems to operate according to rules, not chance and randomness. And the reason for the rules is either an honest "we don't know" or "big invisible sky wizard with magic spellz." Learn some science, dipsh!t.
@Robert Brown
"Stuff looks nifty; therefore, big invisible sky wizard did it with magic spellz!!!" is a stupid argument. Why not be honest for once, and admit that you don't know just like nobody knows. It's rather liberating to admit to the mystery that we all know is everywhere around us. God's not going to strike you down or anything.
“This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' Douglas Adams
It's Stephen Hawking, not Hawkins, and he is an atheist so I'm not suure I understand your point.
Moby Schtick,
Scientific evidence was not considered when I met Jesus.
Who are you calling a liar, me, McKenzie, Carstairs?
There are innumerable things that I don’t know and I, as you, have no problem stating that. No scientific evidence of God was discovered in my research. There are scientists who say that evolution of life as we know it could not have happened as it is currently presented. That last guy makes a pretty good case. The more he learns in science the more he is convinced in a creator.
“...In short, you have a Universe within, and a Universe without, which seems to me adequate proof of an intelligent universe. Nobody can improve on the value of this evidence….” -Iain Carstairs
Who is Iain Carstairs and why should we care? It is not obvious he is a scientist with credentials similar to Hawking, Dawkins, Krauss, etc.
In God are all mannerisms of cellular cosmologies affirmed into being and of also becoming. No life is never without any celled cosmology. As are the celestial cosmologies so are all cellular chasms born of atomized cosmological wonders! The only differences are of size variations. For without the atomized and celestial cosmologies there could not be any cellular cosmologies of sanctified living realms!
lionlylamb, huh?
cosmologies! cosmologies! cosmologies!
For a truley histerical laugh, click on lionlylambs name, it will take you to its website. Try not to fall over laughing.
Cosmologies!
God is the Most Powerful, the Almighty.[22:74] : Yet he did not do a thing when innocent children are slaughtered . What kind of god is this ?
In John, chapter 16, Jesus says “In this world you will have trouble. But take heart. I have overcome the world.” You see, God’s promise to us is not that things have been made alright already. If that were the case, we would not have choices in this life. God’s promise to us is that one day, when God’s kingdom of love has come on earth as it is in heaven — the lion will lie down with the lamb — we will all live in love together.
Hi prayerbot.
@restart: mo' freakin' delusional rant from you too ?
You posted a delusional rant. I responded with the gospel. Peace!
came with a foot pump and some lube.
My angel
Try filling your angel up with helium, kind of feels like it is pushing back.
God in Quran says, (holy Islamic scripture)
“They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.” Quran [6:100]
“The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]
‘They said, "You have to be Jewish or Christian, to be guided." Say, "We follow the religion of Abraham – monotheism – he never was an idol worshiper." [2:135]
“Proclaim, He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him." [112:1]
The Messiah, son of Mary is no more than a messenger like the messengers before him, and his mother was a saint. Both of them used to eat the food. Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate! [5:75]
It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is. [19:35]
“No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is loaded with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. ... [35:18]
O people, here is a parable that you must ponder carefully: the idols you set up beside God can never create a fly, even if they banded together to do so. Furthermore, if the fly steals anything from them, they cannot recover it; weak is the pursuer and the pursued. [22:73]
They do not value God as He should be valued. God is the Most Powerful, the Almighty.[22:74]
If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of God. They follow only conjecture; they only guess. [Quran 6:116]
“There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in God has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. God is Hearer, Omniscient.” [2:256]
“God: there is no other god besides Him, the Living, the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber overtakes Him. To Him belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. Who could intercede with Him, except in accordance with His will? He knows their past, and their future. No one attains any knowledge, except as He wills. His dominion encompasses the heavens and the earth, and ruling them never burdens Him. He is the Most High, the Great.” [2:255]
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Mo' Freakin' DELUSIONAL rants
From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi----–
The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:
( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)
Are you ready?
Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.
The First Five of the 77 Branches:
"1. Belief in Allah"
aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.
"2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."
Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".
"3. To believe in the existence of angels."
A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.
"4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."
Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.
Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.
Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.
"5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings
be upon him) alone."
Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.
Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!
Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.
Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..
With emphasis:
3. To believe in the existence of angels."
A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.
If this woman were to admit seeing demons, we would put her away and rightfully so
We can no longer mince words.
THESE BELIEFS ARE PURELY MENTAL ILLNESS.
This woman is derainged and dangerous
They are a dime a piece, on sale at the hardware store!
This is the message Gods angels have for humanity today:
The apostle John referred to a vision he had, saying: And I saw another angel flying in midheaven,*+ and he had everlasting good news+ to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,+ 7 saying in a loud voice: “FEAR God+ and give him glory,+ because the hour of the judgment by him has arrived,+ and so worship the One who made+ the heaven and the earth and sea and fountains of waters.”+
Furthermore the lot of you may do well to research emotional intelligence, neurodiversity and phobias.
I am annoyed with belief blog posters who keep mocking those who have mental illnesses. I would like to repeat, the brain is just like any other organ and just as capable of failing as a human heart, a kidney or a lung. Brain malfunction is an illness not a character flaw.
Val
Charachter is a relative belief.
If one believes in things that do not exist, he has an illness.
One can not be crazy yet honorable.
They can not even be rational.
William Demuth wrote, "If one believes in things that do not exist, he has an illness."
Cars did one time never exist, likewise computers nor the internet and planes. Were these people who dared to dream have an 'illness' as you do so stupidly envision?
Many people dare to dream dreams of there being an 'afterlife'! Why are such dreams of an afterlife any different than those who dreamed up material contrivances? It seems to me that you are the one with a few screws loose in your standings of worded parodies! I do so believe in the afterlife! I have a firm rooting in my afterlife beliefs! How firmly rooted are those who have yet found the afterlife being a relativity beyond fascist improbabilities denials?
1. The inner cosmology of the atomized realms. Are these realms not the first realms conceived in the grand schemes of cosmology?
2. The outer cosmology of the celestial realms. Did not this realm become conceived only after the inner cosmological realm was made nearing a completion?
3. The cellular cosmology of the living realms. Did this living realm of cosmological matter come about by sheer coincidence or was there a cosmological order for the living realms of cellular cosmology to become an ever evolving realm ending upon this celestial planetary shoreline as being mankind?
What we do know: (from the fields of astrophysics, nuclear physics, geology and the history of religion)
1. The Sun will burn out in 3-5 billion years so we have a time frame.
2. Asteroids continue to circle us in the nearby asteroid belt.
3. One wayward rock and it is all over in a blast of permanent winter.
4. There are enough nuclear weapons to do the same job.
5. Most contemporary NT exegetes do not believe in the Second Coming so apparently there is no concern about JC coming back on an asteroid or cloud of raptors/rapture.
6. All stars will eventually extinguish as there is a limit to the amount of hydrogen in the universe. When this happens (100 trillion years?), the universe will go dark. If it does not collapse and recycle, the universe will end.
7. Super, dormant volcanoes off the coast of Africa and under Yellowstone Park could explode catalytically at any time ending life on Earth.
Bottom line: our apocalypse will start between now and 3-5 billion CE. The universe apocalypse, 100 trillion years?
Cars did one time never exist, likewise computers nor the internet and planes. Were these people who dared to dream have an 'illness' as you do so stupidly envision?
I like that. Let's invent a god. Oh, that's already been done.
Not one reply that I saw spoke to compassion for the injured, or was marginally relevant to the topic I posted.
When I first read this, I thought, "what a crock of utter bullsh.it."
Upon reflection, however, I thought "what a crock of utter bullsh.it."
Merry Christmas everyone!
@chris TOPHER: happy holidays.
Topher, fuck off.
Merry Christmas, Topher.
Merry Christmas Topher and best wishes for the New Year.