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December 24th, 2012
11:23 AM ET
Author Lorna Byrne: I see angelsBy Stephen Walsh, CNN Are there really angels among us? Lorna Byrne claims she’s been able to see angels since she was a child. The Irish-born author of the international best-seller “Angels in My Hair” says guardian angels watch over believers and nonbelievers alike all the time. So what exactly is an angel? The word angel is derived from the Greek angelos, which means "messenger." The Hebrew word malak has the same meaning. Christian theology teaches that angels are pure spirits created by God who carry out his will on Earth. Byrne told CNN’s Dana Bash that she sees a multitude of angels that only appear around Christmastime. Watch the video to hear her describe what they look like and hear her advice to skeptics. What do you think? Are angels real? Leave your comments below.
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"Making angel food cake is one of the great acts of culinary faith", but with strawberries in a light syrup faith is rewarded (it usually is not).
I saw some angels dancing on the head of a pin. There seemed to be a lot of them, but I forgot to count.
finally, a person inspired by the holy spirit that is John Prine
So, do I believe in angels? Yep, I believe.
Why? Are you in a mental hospital.
Faeries too, Kev?
@ OG, why? Does every person you know who believes in angels are in a mental hospital? Just how many do you know who believe in angels who are in a mental hospital?
I can show you some angels, but it will take some doing--and you're going to see demons as well. First, get a few grams of LSA...........
@ Moby, proving those angels would be risky. I would agree with you there.
@ Other Tom, I don't believe in fairies. Is there any correlation between the two? My belief in angels is like my belief in God. It's a part of one's faith.
@Kev
Fairies and angels both exist to the same extent--they don't. Our brains have evolved rich imaginations. We see faces and bodies in clouds and flowers and shapes in nature. We also see shimmering halos and that sort of thing fairly readily. Pareidolia is the scientific term.
@ Moby, If you don't believe in angels based on the evidence or the lack thereof that's fine, but if you're claiming that the nonexistence of angels to be the absolute truth then you better provide the proof. I'm not claiming that the existence of angels is a fact; only that I believe in them.
Kev, I don't claim anything as "absolute truth." I claim angels and fairies don't exist to the same degree that I claim I am not a space alien who was born a millisecond ago in another universe.
Kevin, again, why do you believe. No but perhaps they should be. None.
@ Moby unless you're open to the slightest possibility that you are indeed a space alien born a millisecond ago from another universe, then you are claiming something to be an absolute truth. If that is the case, please provide your proof that angels don't exist.
St. John the Almond Divinity saw some angels too, evidently. Poor thing was running around on some island and crashed his camel into a lake of bath salts or worse to come up with that mess he called Revelation.
@ OG, What are you talking about? It seems like you need some help.
Kevin, you replied to my first post above with 3 questions, which I answered. It appears it is you who needs help maintaining a thread, in addition to perhaps needing help for apparent delusions.
Kev, You're the one claiming that angels exist – you should provide the proof. Same as with your god. Gods, angels, fairies, etc. come from human imagination – yet you selectively believe. You believe in one god but not the others. You believe in angels but not fairies. There is no evidence of fairies, same as there is no evidence of gods or angels. And your "unless you're open to the slightest possibility that you are indeed a space alien born a millisecond ago from another universe, then you are claiming something to be an absolute truth" I think the point was the likelihood – why do you not believe the space alien without proof yet believe in gods and angels without proof?
Santa, I never said I didn't believe in space aliens. I didn't even challenge Moby on that claim; only Moby made a comparison to the possibility of likelihood OG Moby being a space.alien as the likelihood that there are angels. I never challenged that claim. What I said was that if Moby made a claim that Moby was not a space alien , then Moby was claiming that the nonexistence of angels was.the absolute truth and not just belief. Also if Moby was actually making such a claim, then evidence should be presented to back up that claim. And no a belief does not mean actual knowledge, so when one proclaims a belief, it something that by definition cannot be proven, so no I don't have to present evidence in order to declare a belief, but if one is saying outright that angels do not exist as being the absolute truth, then one should present evidence.
You started this thread by saying that you do believe in angels – so you are the one with the burden of proof. Noone can proof a negative but we base our expectations on our experience and knowledge – no verifiable evidence of angels has been shown so most people would expect that they do not exist until shown otherwise. You wouldn't believe a financial planner who promised 100% returns with no risk because your knowledge and experience show you that is such an extremely low probability, so while noone can say with absolute certainty that angels do not exist, the likelihood is extremely low and there is no evidence. Unless you can provide some.
OG, thanks for finally clearing that on what you meant. You don't give any reference that your second post was in response to my questions. On the first part on why do I believe in angels deals with personal experience study, prayer and of course faith. Second of all, you are questioning allot of good and productive individuals should be put away into mental hospitals only because of a belief in angels. Third, if to don't know of anyone being in mental hospital because of belief in angels, how do you know if such treatment would be beneficial
Santa, this isn't a court of law it's a discussion of beliefs. You can make your own conclusion based on what you see as evidence or not evidence, and I'm not challenging that. I saying however is that those conclusions are in fact based on personal POV and not on something that is absolute truth.
I'm curious as to why you would believe in angels but not believe in fairies when there is exactly the same evidence for both.
Angels are not real. God is not real. Your body is an incredible series of chemical reactions, but there exists, neither within nor without, any sort of divine presence. I'm sorry, i know you prefer to think otherwise, but it saddens me – a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
christianity – turning brains off for two thousand year and counting!
Jim,
The many who faithfully believe in an afterlife is more important to God than being faith-filled on but one of God's many so many sons and daughters. I for one do faithfully believe in an afterlife and do dare envision it. Many folks of faithfulness in God need no sons or daughters of God to remain secure in their beliefs of an afterlife. Those whose roots are not securely rooted firmly in a belief of an afterlife may well be surprised; for in God's ways does God take in all life's strays!
You just rot in the ground, worm food.
Hey look it is me: THE pimple faced loser here !!!!
Sorry Lorna, the TV preachers already beaten you to making $$$ off of God in a bigg way !! 😉
it's not just he TV preachers - the church collection plate is a scam. the TVevangelists just do it on a bigger scale.
Santa claus, angels, people screaming at eachother over nonsense ...as far of a cry from a mountain top meditation as is possible.
Awww...isn't he a cute little subnormal creep!
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pervert alert
robert brown
just sayin
chad
topher
atheism is unhealthy
ronald reagonzo
truth be told
felix navidad
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the stink of his cockroach brain comes thru,
no matter how many names he tries to hide behind............
Hey look,
You are hilarious. You think there is one Christian posting under several different handles. Did you ever consider that we are different people sharing the same truth?
The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:
"felix navidad" degenerates to:
"Salero21" degenerates to:
"pervert alert" degenerates to:
"M. Lewinsky" degenerates to:
"Taskmaster" degenerates to:
"Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
"truth be told" degenerates to:
"Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
"tina" degenerates to:
"captain america" degenerates to:
"just sayin" degenerates to:
"nope" degenerates to:
"WOW" degenerates to:
"!"
and many other names, but of course I prefer to refer to this idiot as
the disgruntled Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. writer boot camp flunkie.
I have no problem believing people seeing angels, but I like to know if it is only God's angels that she sees...
More is to pity those who will not see angels.
Please describe your experience with the angels you saw, felix.
I feel the same about people who don't see Justin Bieber's artistic merit.
Glad to not be delusional.
Ireland has become a fairly atheistic country (although still culturally Catholic), yet after Guinness their biggest export is charlatans. I say credit to her. Stupid people deserve to have their money taken.
Agreed
Whenever I go outside, I see garden gnomes all over the place. I cant tell if im crazy, or my neighbors are all really tacky.
wow you see gnomes their petty rare Elements your pretty lucky,.. you know you might have some precious mettle in your yard...
Lorna,
I just went to youtube and I just want to say WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After the initial laughing stopped, I couldnt decide if I was ashamed of you or proud of you. I mean, you're obviously lying. Everyone thats not an idiot know that. Heck, Im sure most christians dont even beleive you. So being as dishonest as you are, I naturally dislike you. But when I think about it more, the more I see how geniues you are. You are playing with these weak minded individuals emotions and its easy to take advantag. Then come the books, interviews, youtube channel royalties and im sure there is a book on the way. As much as i dislike you, it is just funny to see you take advantage of these idiots. Congratulations on your windfall!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXzAvtCLnGM
and yet no one asked if she sees the Fairy man how fare have my Irish kin fell
"The angels have cameras too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Thank you for making my day!
Outward; beyond the universe and far beyond the spatial relatives of science minded individualists stands God in all His glory!
Inward; beyond the inner depths of atomized particles stands all God's sons and daughters all building up each and every celestially based cellular life all for their father God's pleasures!
Lionlylamb,
I think this guy thinks like you, even if he doesn’t write like you do.
“The DNA’s digital system of storage renews itself without our help, copying faithfully for hundreds of millions of years. A ribosome forms itself (we know not how), and even after being separated into its protein components in various chemicals, will jump back into working shape again when the chemicals are removed. There are machines within the cell so marvellous that teams of brilliant minds cannot assemble a complete concept about how they work.
I have asked a company in california to manufacture a working hemoglobin molecule, as a training aid for a laboratory in canada: one working molecule, that snaps open and shut between the oxygenated and non-oxygenated states. One model – large size, nothing too intricate – and they can take all year if they want. They have told me: “we can’t do it – it is too difficult.” In your body right now, there are about 5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of them. And if you remove 100,000,000 – they will all be remade in a matter of days.” -Iain Carstairs
Robert Brown,
All science can nowadays view are molecular machineries and we do not have the microscopic means to peer into the very depths beyond the atomic particles where God's sons and daughters do all reside. It is a shame that we all are distanced from God's sons and daughters by spatial dimensions forsakenness. I can envision the depths of atomized cosmological realms and I can also envision the outer reaches of the celestial spatial voids where God himself stands in all his glorious wonders to ever await to begin once again by saying, "Let there be light". Is it not so written, "As it was in the beginning so shall it be upon the end, world without end"?
Robert Brown.. the bible mentions light... wow. Did it tell you as to what light actually is? or how a Star burns it fuel and what that fuel is? Does it explain the iron in the hemoglobin with in our bodies was forged inside a star that eons ago went supernova and seeded the universe with elements that coalesced into the earth. It is those elements we find on earth that likely allowed the trigger for abiogenesis and evolution.
EvolvedDNA,
“Does it explain the iron in the hemoglobin with in our bodies was forged inside a star that eons ago went supernova and seeded the universe with elements that coalesced into the earth.”
That one is too easy Genesis 2 “7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground,”
But no, the bible is not a science textbook.
“It is those elements we find on earth that likely allowed the trigger for abiogenesis and evolution.”
“Obstacles to the formation of life on primitive earth would have been extremely challenging. Even a simple protein molecule is so rich in information that the entire history of the universe since the Big Bang wouldn't give you the time you would need to generate that molecule by chance. Even if the first molecule had been much simpler than those today, there's a minimum structure that protein has to have for it to function. You don't get that structure in a protein unless you have at least seventy-five amino acids or so. First, you need the right bonds between the amino acids. Second, amino acids come in right-handed and left-handed versions, and you have to get the left-handed ones. Third, the amino acids must link up in a specified sequence, like letters in a sentence. Run the odds of these things falling into place on their own and you find out that the probabilities in forming a rather short functional protein at random would be one chance in a hundred trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion. That is a ten with one-hundred and twenty-five zeros after it. And that would only be one protein molecule, a fairly simple cell would need between three-hundred and five-hundred protein molecules. When you look at those odds and evidence, you can see why, since the 1960's, scientist have abandoned the idea that chance played any significant role in the origin of DNA or proteins.”McKenzie
EvolvedDNA wrote, "Robert Brown.. the bible mentions light... wow. Did it tell you as to what light actually is? or how a Star burns it fuel and what that fuel is? Does it explain the iron in the hemoglobin with in our bodies was forged inside a star that eons ago went supernova and seeded the universe with elements that coalesced into the earth."
Light is particles science calls photons, correct? Such is the celestial glories, but for a 'single' star to go supernova and seed the universe with its atomized particles is a bit loony tunes wouldn't you say? I can understand that many stars went supernova but not a single star.
According to the gospel there are celestial glories and glories terrestrial. The celestial glories might be myriads of universes living within a single cosmos and many cosmos living within the very depths of outer spatial voids. The terrestrial glories may be every planet capable of sustaining atomized cosmologies of cellular based life.
Is my wordage making sense or?
"In the beginning there was an explosion," explained Noble Prize-winning physicists Steven Weinberg in his book The First Three Minutes, "which occurred simultaneously everywhere, filling all space from the beginning with every particle of matter rushing part from every other particle." The matter rushing apart, he said, consisted of elementary particles, neutrinos and the other subatomic particles that make up the world. Among those particles were photons, which make up light. "The universe," he said, "was filled with light." Interesting, that's what the Bible says too.
Robert Brown,
As it was once in 'the beginning' so shall it be come 'the ending' when God will once again say, "Let there be light!" Only then will God come full circle upon the next new beginning of spatial relevance. A trillion times a trillion years will most likely go by though before God does once again say, "Let there be light"! When such a time comes, we will be distanced memories of an age long memorialized by God's sons and daughters.
the bible says the world is flat. interesting, that's not what science says.
the bible says there was light in our solar system before there was a sun. interesting, that's not what science says.
the bible says man came before the other animals. interesting, that's not what science says.
the bible says there are plants before there's a sun. interesting, that's not what science says.
and there's more scientific contradictions with genesis.
interesting.
Bootyfunk,
Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
It is long established that bitterpuke has no Bible knowledge at all.
Bootyfunk,
Genesis 1
Day1 – 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Bootyfunk,
Day 3- 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Bootyfunk,
Day 6 – Land animals then man
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Bootyfunk,
The only controversy comes in on Day 4
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
After each day it says “And the evening and the morning were” then what day it was. How could you have an evening and a morning without the sun coming up and going down? Could it be that Day 4 was more of arranging or putting things in order than creating? So in verse 16 when it says “made” was it past tense, wouldn’t the sun moon and stars be “let there be light”, day 1?
Regarding 14-18, it seems odd to call an empty void "firmament." Also, since all of the "lights in the firmament" are actually in motion relative to the earth and one another, I would have to say that related passages are totally inconsistent with reality.
A second, albeit lesser, "great light" to rule the night? I would assume this refers to the moon, which is not a light source at all. I'd think an omniscient/omnipotent being would be aware of this.
Lorna Byrne,
I see magic green men all the time, and they only thing they do is tell my that Lornay Byrne is a liar, Im the only one that can see them tho, because Zues gave me special powers. So filming the encounters is impossible. Very convenient for me.
i've seen angels too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgysHxmUAq4
i can smell spirits/ and angels and if you could you wouldn't want to be around them ether. i like the fragrance of fairy's though
so if she truly has the Spiritual eyes i take it she can see the other being as well, quick ask her if she can see fairies and Elements, and even lower being other wise i call bullshit
the other world disprove Christianity, both higher and lower Christianity is only for the spiritual dumb, deaf, blind, numb, and anosmic . being a witch means one has awakened one or more of these spiritual senses. and the spiritual wold disproves the christian faith thus is why the put witches to death....
for the atheist who will talk because of this, saying things like its not real and there is no evidence it is OK because you are spiritual dumb, deaf, blind, numb, and anosmic
well someone is definitely dumb. Witches. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJAxRVeKnTE
Many people dare not to envision. All the commoner folk can do is feel their way thru life's doldrums without ever wanting to visualize things within their minds. I, though dare to envision many issues and do see things within my mind's eye. It is really sad that commoners dare not want to dare envisioning all myriads of thought provoking stimuli. 🙁
And some people just dont like liars.
"god", "jesus" and "angels" are all myths. Get over it.
Awww, isn't he cute? He just cant stop his witless trolling for attention.......
Total FAIL.