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Justice won't block Obamacare's required emergency contraception coverage
December 27th, 2012
07:52 AM ET

Justice won't block Obamacare's required emergency contraception coverage

By the CNN Wire Staff

(CNN) - Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor on Wednesday turned down a request that she block part of Obamacare that would require companies' health plans to provide for coverage of certain contraceptives, such as the morning-after pill.
Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc., and Mardel, Inc. and five family members involved in ownership and control of the corporations had protested the requirement, which is to kick in January 1.

They said they would be required "to provide insurance coverage for certain drugs and devices that the applicants believe can cause abortions," which would be against their religious beliefs, Sotomayor wrote in her opinion.

The applicants said they would face irreparable harm if forced to choose between paying fines and complying with the requirement.

But Sotomayor, who handles emergency appeals from the 10th Circuit, said the applicants failed to meet "the demanding standard for the extraordinary relief," and that they could continue to pursue their challenge in lower courts and return to the higher court, if necessary, following a final judgment.

Hobby Lobby is a chain of arts and crafts stores with more than 13,000 employees; Mardel is a chain of Christian-themed bookstores with 372 full-time employees. Both are based in Oklahoma City. Neither company responded to e-mails.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Abortion • Christianity • Courts

soundoff (379 Responses)
  1. GodsPeople

    I have a great idea: Kick all of the liberals out of the Jewpreme court and make it an actual representative of the law instead of political interests?

    December 28, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • VanHagar

      Respectfully, you're clueless. 6 of the 9 justices are Catholic, including Sotomayer. You don't have to agree with her decision, but there is nothing Christ-like in demeaning jews.

      December 28, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "GodsPeople", but "VanHagar"'s assertion is, in fact, correct. You are, in fact, clueless.

      December 28, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
  2. fernace

    Providing Viagra thru insurance is obviously Not against any corperations "religious beliefs"! Women, however, should just make do w/an aspirin between the knees, if they don't want to be pregnant 1ce a year for 2 decades!!

    December 28, 2012 at 9:29 am |
  3. Apple Bush

    For the record, I have not posted anything on this blog in two days and it looks like I need to change my name.

    December 27, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      My new name is poop.

      December 27, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Fake AB, who are you and why are you stalking me? Do I know you?

      December 27, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Fake AB, is it your intention to ruin my fun and sever my friendships with the likes of Akira, MAD, sam, Tom Tom, GOPer, and many others? Why? What sadness do you harbor that creates suck a prick as you?

      December 27, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
    • Akira

      Toshi, did you see my post on the last page?
      He does this all the time, on This Just In, also.
      Limp dick, or so I heard from a very good source.

      December 27, 2012 at 10:41 pm |
    • Mohammad A Dar

      AB, ignore the goon, denier of truth absolute GOD, gangster of Brooklyn, crook

      December 27, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • Akira

      If you are going to jack people, at least know the people you are jacking.
      MAD isn't the one who talks like that, goon.

      December 27, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Apple Bush,

      You know what they say, imitation is the most sincere form of flatery, you must have really struck a nerve....good job.

      December 27, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Hi Marc

      Poor Hobby Lobby. I'll bet their heart just sank when they found out it was Sotomayor reviewing they're appeal. Their was no way she was going to go against Obamacare.

      December 28, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
  4. Mohammad A Dar

    O'Noonan writes "And I lost the fear of death when I made peace with it...death is no longer the enemy but a natural and necessary part of life..."

    Death is an interesting subject, did you know when a person's heartbeat stops, he or she is clinically dead, but brain is still conscious for 25-30 seconds, and "dead" person is known to hear people around him or her, of course helplessly? Scary yes or no?

    December 27, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      Hi, Mohammad...

      Having worked in hospitals for many years, I can agree that death "is an interesting subject." I wish we Americans weren't so terrified of it then the dying process wouldn't be so difficult for all involved...

      Each person dying dies differently, but I'm assuming your info has been registered on encephalography. Having watched many, many die, each experience has been truly different and remarkable.

      I too wonder what they may be thinking, those who say and appear to see things in those final moments.

      One of the interesting things for me is how long the heart actually beats after breathing has ceased. For some there are "escape" beats, or idioventricular beats, sometimes for minutes (or more) after "they have 'gone' "

      It is sad that death has become so hidden in our society...but we are a culture who worships the god of fear in its many incarnations.

      December 27, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
  5. Reality

    Some nitty-gritty:

    "Twenty-one states offer exemptions from contraceptive coverage, usually for religious reasons, for insurers or employers in their policies: Arizona, Arkansas, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan (administrative rule), Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Rhode Island, Texas and West Virginia."

    http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/insurance-coverage-for-contraception-state-laws.aspx

    December 27, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
  6. TCR

    Dear God,
    i wanna take a
    minute, not to ask
    for anything from
    You, but simply to
    say thank You,
    for all i have.

    December 27, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
    • God

      You're welcome. Now go get some birth control!

      December 27, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • ODIN ALLFATHER

      THIS MORTAL IS SPEAKING TO ME, NOT YOU, I AM THE ONLY GOD

      December 27, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • God

      Uh...nope, sorry Odin. Not this time. I've got this one.

      December 27, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • ZUES

      @ODIN AND GOD:
      SHUT IT THE MORTAL IS TALKING TO ME, NOW MOVE ON BEFORE I THROW A LIGHTNING BOLT UP YOUR REARS.

      ROFLMFAO. XD

      December 28, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • david defrank

      tcr thanks for your prayer we need to when faced with babykillers

      January 2, 2013 at 9:18 am |
  7. Mohammad A Dar

    no one should ever deny his or her medical coverage, not because it is against your religious belief, but because YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL, capiche !!!

    December 27, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
  8. I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

    > "On the contrary"

    Do I listen to some guy (you) who does not know what he is talking about? Of course not!

    I know these people. Yea, they are the only people that visit the dying elderly in the hospital and offer comfort. What a scam!

    We offer free food to families in need. What a scam!

    We help small towns after terrible storms that don't receive enough attention for national disaster relief. What a scam!

    We offer a place of healing for addicts, the grieving, the injured and the hungry. What a scam!

    December 27, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • sam

      Lots of people of any faith and no faith do the same things. Sorry, snowflake!

      December 27, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • sam

      PS: people of no faith don't push a sermon/bible quotes on people before offering them a hot meal.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

      > Lots of people of any faith and no faith do the same things. Sorry, snowflake!

      Sorry for what? I didn't claim anything as exclusive. I already knew this, buttercup.

      > PS: people of no faith don't push a sermon/bible quotes on people before offering them a hot meal.

      We don't either. That would be rude.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • sam

      Yeah, yeah. Boring troll.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @ sam...

      Thanks, Sam....you are correct. A point lost among Christians...caring doesn't require belief, or a like belief...however, belief should only be about caring...and it is mostly not among American Christians...

      December 27, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

      I really never found people who demonstrate so much action and real world help. I'm excited about it.

      In my old ways, which was not very nice, nobody gave a poop about the poor. Nobody really cared about me.

      I know the love and God and want to share it.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • sam

      This is the best Poe we've had in a while.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • CNN Religion Blog Troll

      Yay, fresh meat. Lets devour him with our pessimism and other drivel. Muwhahahahaha!

      December 27, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Apple Bush
      December 27, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • sam

      Apple, you are so sassy today.

      December 27, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Apple Bush & @sam

      Hey buddies... Happy Holies, etc... !!! 😀

      Peace...

      December 27, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • krhodes

      Lots of people of any faith and no faith do the same things. Sorry, snowflake!

      Yeah..but not a lot of liberals do...fact.

      "people of no faith don't push a sermon/bible quotes on people before offering them a hot meal."

      Yeah...and atheist don't offer many meals either...not as many as conservative religious folks...fact.

      December 27, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @krhodes

      You say that a lot. Can you cite the study, and how the data was compiled, the range of people, income level cutoff, any minimum cutoff given, etc.?

      December 27, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @krhodes

      Lots of people of any faith and no faith do the same things. Sorry, snowflake!

      Yeah..but not a lot of liberals do...fact.

      "people of no faith don't push a sermon/bible quotes on people before offering them a hot meal."

      Yeah...and atheist don't offer many meals either...not as many as conservative religious folks...fact.

      ________________________________________________________________________________________

      Interesting "facts"... I wasn't aware of this. Obviously, you are aware that atheists are a much, much smaller % of the population.

      Is it possible when you factor in the *correct* t 'statistical' numbers as %'s of stated populations that we may have a different outcome than your "facts" ?

      I truly don't know, I'm just askin'

      Peace...

      December 27, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @Peace....

      To you, too, Peace...a great admirer of yours...

      @krhodes...

      Could have sworn "liberals" were hated by conservatives for being "bleeding hearts"...

      And there are very few atheists compared with a country full of Christians...your Christian "fact" makes you captain of the obvious...however, "conservative Christians" have very little time for caring for others, other than their obsession with other's sin and their faith in the god of Capitalism, Americanism, Democracy and politics.

      And if Christians actually cared, there wouldn't be a hunger problem...a very sad fact.

      December 27, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • sam

      @realpeace – happy everything! 🙂

      December 27, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Tom Flynn cites a piece written by Hemant Mehta at the Friendly Atheist, where Hemant says “Don’t let anybody tell you religious people are more charitable than atheists. It’s just not true.” Except that it is, and most surveys I’m aware of show just that. In Arthur Brook’s book, Who Really Cares: the Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism, a look at existing data shows that the religious are more likely to volunteer, donate blood, and donate money to both religious and secular charities, alike. Putnam and Campbell’s American Grace shows the same thing.

      December 28, 2012 at 9:20 am |
    • J.W

      Not all liberals are atheists and not all atheists are liberal by the way

      December 29, 2012 at 1:21 am |
  9. Rational Libertarian

    There should be no compulsion with regards to providing contraception.

    December 27, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • niknak

      Especially when it clearly says in the babble that life begins when the baby takes it's first breath, NOT at conception.
      Or in that case of an IUD, BEFORE conception.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Nor should there be any (related) restrictions by an employer on what an insurance company offers.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • On the contrary

      Libertarians are idiots. You seem no different than the rest.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      What a reasoned response. And which are you? Liberal? Conservative? Cvnt?

      December 27, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  10. I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

    And I'm free!

    December 27, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      Funny thing about humans....for me, after 20+ years of serving and worshipping the Lord, I have found an existential freedom through rejection of God, based on His non-existence....

      Reinforces the evolutionary explanation for belief, in my opinion.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

      I like my perspective a lot. Praise.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @...used to be...

      Good for you. I wish you peace.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • niknak

      You are free to be a sheep and be part of a flock and be fleeced by the religious scammers who make their living off docile herd animals like you.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God: So what traumatic event happened that caused you to lose your mind completely? The death of a loved one maybe? Problems handling your booze and the church offered you the cure? Murdered or committed a crime against someone and found your imaginary friend in prison? Homeless and the church offered you something?

      It doesn't matter what it was in the end, the very fact that you gave up reality for a life of fiction doesn't speak too highly of your capacity to think rationally.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

      Oh, niknak you angry lil' man! I'm not involved with religious scammers. I donate to my church, which helps them pay some staff members and carry out good things for our community and world.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • On the contrary

      " I'm not involved with religious scammers. I donate to my church, which helps them pay some staff members and carry out good things for our community and world."

      Such hypocrisy and delusion! That church is a scam, the staff members are scammers, and they do as little as possible for your community and world.
      You poor fool.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

      My priorities in life before were "me", booze, women, money and work.

      Now I have a relationship with God. I try to help others. I've got access to his wisdom and guidance at any given moment.

      My eyes have been opened to a more beautiful life. I don't fear death. I live my life for Him. I feel free. I love it.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

      > "On the contrary"

      Do I listen to some guy (you) who does not know what he is talking about? Of course not!

      I know these people. Yea, they are the only people that visit the dying elderly in the hospital and offer comfort. What a scam!

      We offer free food to families in need. What a scam!

      We help small towns after terrible storms that don't receive enough attention for national disaster relief. What a scam!

      We offer a place of healing for addicts, the grieving, the injured and the hungry. What a scam!

      December 27, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @...used to be...

      It sounds good...hopefully not too good to be true...please name your church and what state/city...I'd like to visit to see if you are telling the truth...

      My experience, past and present, contradicts your claims of service...

      December 27, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

      House of all Sinners and Saints
      Denver, CO
      We would love to have you visit.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @ ...used to be...thanks for your courage...when I get up to Denver I will most certainly visit....

      December 27, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      "My eyes have been opened to a more beautiful life. I don't fear death. I live my life for Him. I feel free. I love it."

      Funny how this works! I got that when I realized I no longer believed. I take more pleasure in the simple things. I think it's a horrible lie people tell themselves...everyone fears death or at least the process of it, that said, I do not believe there is anything after this life and so that unknown leaves for a greater appreciation of the only life I am sure of. I take more pleasure in the simple things. I feel that I am freer now than I have ever been.

      December 27, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

      "The Kingdom of God is within you." – Jesus Christ

      The description of God as an "imaginary friend" or "sky wizard" is never actually mentioned by Jesus.

      God lives within our own souls.

      December 27, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @truth...

      I concur...life has become so much more amazing and beautiful and mysterious....when you have "all the answers" and know the God who created it all, there's not much left of mystery and adventure...after all, everything is pre-planned per many theologies...

      I've become a fan of Richard Feynman's quote: "It's better to live not knowing, than to live with answers that might be wrong."

      And I lost the fear of death when I made peace with it...death is no longer the enemy but a natural and necessary part of life...

      December 27, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @used to be

      I don't believe you. It's too cookie cutter of the standard christian characterization of the before and after of a converted atheist for me to believe.

      December 27, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • I used to be an atheist, now I know and love God

      😦

      December 27, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
  11. Apple Bush
    December 27, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • On the contrary

      Well said, Apple Bush! Very well said indeed!

      December 27, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • niknak

      Yes, really insiteful post there AB.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • Athy

      Well I thought it was insightful as well!

      December 27, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      >

      December 27, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • Athy

      Now you're getting complicated.

      December 27, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
  12. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnostic guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

    Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

    The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    Consumer Reports, January, 2012

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

    Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

    The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
    – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
    – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
    Followed by:
    One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
    Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
    The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
    Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
    IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

    Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

    December 27, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • On the contrary

      Abstinence doesn't work in 100 percent of cases, so you might want to change that.
      Also, children can become infected with STD's without being se.xually active, such as through the Jewish MBP "penis-sucking ritual" at a bris ceremony. Very disgusting stuff, but it happens and should be reflected in your statistics, which seem a little biased, if I may say so.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      The amount of children who receive that 'procedure' (molestation would be more apt) is statistically negligible. Also, how isn't abstinence 100% effective, barring forced intercourse obviously?

      December 27, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • niknak

      Too long, too boring....

      December 27, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • lol??

      The greeksters always have had a problem with s e x. Athena popping out of Zeus's head is very close to a cabbage patch kid. The connection to Cain is uncanny, though I doubt he knew how to can cabbage.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  13. Things Hobby Lobby should not sell

    Knitting needles, coat hangers, anything that might be used to bring about an abortion.

    December 27, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • New Athiest

      They probably shouldn't sell anything that could get somone excited either.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • lol??

      You regulators don't even know the purpose of law....."Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith"

      December 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @ lol??....regardless of the arguments against it, your comment is why I am proud of the "Separation of Church and State," and to have served in the military to ensure that those who are not like you are safe and free from persecution, and one of the many reasons why I am no longer a Christian....

      December 27, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • On the contrary

      lol??, the purpose of law is to provide a framework for a society, not to give you free license to violate whatever law you want, as you seem intent on doing in the name of your religion.
      Your religion is NOT LAW here. THIS IS AMERICA. YOUR RELIGION IS NOT LAW HERE SO FECK OFF!!

      December 27, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • lol??

      Whoopdie doo, noonie. Wrapping yourself in the flag brought to you by a Socialist disguised as a Baptist Christian? He sold a load of flags.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Fiar warning to all. lol?? is a known troll and is not worth responding to.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • sam

      @lol?? – is what you're smoking legal where you live, now?

      December 27, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • lol??

      Ah yes, On the contrary, a license in every place and a place for every license, no matter how unconsti tutional. Tell me what DOESN'T the Beast license. I'll make it easy for ya.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @hawaii...

      Yeah, should have thought about that, knowing what he has posted over the past few weeks, etc.

      I am interested in his passion against Socialists...he is a bit of a relic...longing for the heady days of Sputnik and the Cuban missile crisis?

      December 27, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • On the contrary

      "the Beast"?
      Is this a new government agency? A person? Can you describe the assailant? Did you get a receipt? LOL

      December 27, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      BTW lol??...OUCH about that "noonie" name calling and the insult to my military service....

      I'm so offended! How dare you persecute me...

      December 27, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • lol??

      Noonie, you Socialists are so wishy washy. ........."The Russian state shall fund a project to renovate St Nicholas Cathedral in Nice in southern France.........." http://02varvara.wordpress.com/category/churchstate/ Your friends letting you down?

      December 27, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • niknak

      @ Loloser
      I bet you don't even know the difference between socialism and communism.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      Speaking of Communism...

      I find it odd that we "fought" against the evangelizing Communists (the infamous domino theory) while blind to our own evangelizing of the world with religion and Americanism behind the blunt force of the Military Industrial Complex.

      You tend to hate that in others which you are...We are a mass of contradiction...

      December 27, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
  14. Trollalert

    Wow. A judge appointed by Obama refused to block part of a law passed by Obama.
    Corruption rules this country. The Christians are just whining because they are not currently the ones in power. We all know that christian women are using birth control just like everyone else who can afford it.

    December 27, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • lol??

      The great "WE" god declared it?

      December 27, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • New Athiest

      No, the great 'Troll' god declaired it.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
  15. On the contrary

    Because our country is founded on the Constltution, our government has to work for the welfare of ALL citizens, regardless of personal beliefs.

    It is RELIGIOUS IDIOTS who INSIST on INTERFERING WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES regardless of how INSANE their rules are.

    Providing a CHOICE is not "forcing it down your throats" no matter how much you imagine it to be "forcing".
    A CHOICE is NOT FORCING.

    It is Catholics who are truly FORCING their views on everyone else in violation of their rights!!!!
    They want ALL CHOICES BANNED and they want to DICTATE and FORCE their beliefs on everyone in the world.

    A choice is not a forcing of anything down someone's throat. You religious idiots should all die from a lack of stem-cell research and I hope you all do so. You all make me sick.

    December 27, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • lol??

      Let's see if any A&A's call you out.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • On the contrary

      A&A's??
      What the hell are those? Some phantasmagorical beings of your religion?

      December 27, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • lol??

      Atheists and agnostics. 1/4 of prisoners in jail are psychopaths or sociopaths. The A&A's like to brag about 99% of prisoners claim to be Christians. Are psychos Christian or atheists?

      December 27, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • On the contrary

      All religious people are delusional / schizophrenic. You have a problem with reality? Keep it to yourself.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • sam

      +10 for the use of 'phantasmagorical'.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • New Athiest

      Psychopaths are not necessarily Christians, but all extreme Christians are sociopaths.
      Get it right.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
  16. William Demuth

    Republicans have become the defacto party of Conservative Christianity

    Either they diversify (Thus losing the Fundies to a socialy conservative party) or demographics doom them.

    They are bluffing, by put up brown colored foreign looking Christians, but few are buying it.

    I doubt many Muslims will be joining any time soon

    As we become less Christian, they wither and die.

    December 27, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • lol??

      "As we become less Christian, they wither and die."..........You don't have the patience for that. You've never read Revelation?

      December 27, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • New Alias

      There have been several reports, polls and articles showing a decline in religion with the younger generations. The Catholics are facing a shortage of priests and nuns in America that will be critical in another 15- 20 years.
      Reality is winning over fantasy.
      Morality is winning over child abuse and brain washing.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • sam

      @lol?? – Yeah, that nutty acid trip? Great reading. And about as likely as the Maya apocalypse.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
  17. lol??

    I learned a long time ago on a different web site that the most strident A&A's were Beast workers. They know where the money and power is for their lifestyle of luxury. Americultians are an odd bunch giving up their property rights and capitalism to become commies and socies. China did the ol' switcheroo too, with commies embracing capitalism. The bullies WIN. Eight Immortals and princelings know that game.

    December 27, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Eric G

      Wow. I don't think I have enough bread crumbs to find my way home.

      December 27, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      people just want something different get fed up with the same thing over and over again, they drive for change. and this is why peace will never work.

      its the Me in them.

      December 27, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • On the contrary

      I laughed at the breadcrumbs joke. Thanks, Eric G!
      Does anyone know what "A&A's" are? Or shall we just move on?

      December 27, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • On the contrary

      A&A's are "atheists and agnostics" I guess, according to the lol?? troll.
      But we might still need the breadcrumbs.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Ann

      Beast workers? Um, I do volunteer work for the local animal shelter sometimes. Does that count?

      January 23, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
  18. End Religion

    Goodbye Talibangelical Republitards. I can't say it was nice to know you.

    December 27, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • truth be told

      The country electorate is almost a 50/50 split and another swing to the more moral direction can never be ruled out.

      December 27, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      so truth more liberals,... where are you going with this,... Christians are immoral

      December 27, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
  19. Rundvelt

    I don't understand why there is this big issue. For years businesses have been paying taxes that have been used for things that are against their Christian values, such as promoting condoms and birth control for teenagers.

    This is much of the same.

    You don't get to push your beliefs on anyone else. To some Chrisitians, their freedom of religion includes forcing their beliefs on others. How else do you explain the rage they exhibit when someone says "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". Because they claimed that pagan holiday first!

    December 27, 2012 at 2:58 pm |
    • William Demuth

      How about tax dollars being used for the following

      Nuclear Weapons Design
      Five illegal wars that have killed over a million people
      The clandestine overthrow of at least six governments

      Get real dude, the government is corrupt. Totally uteerly and irrevokably.

      The best we can do is keep them in check

      December 27, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • New Alias

      But weapons of mass destruction, war, and overthrowing a non-christian goverment are allowed in the bible, aren't they?

      December 27, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • Topher

      Rundvelt

      "I don't understand why there is this big issue. For years businesses have been paying taxes that have been used for things that are against their Christian values, such as promoting condoms and birth control for teenagers."

      Then the question shouldn't be why are Christians fighting so hard against this law, but why aren't they fighting against the others.

      "You don't get to push your beliefs on anyone else"

      But this law is doing exactly that.

      "To some Chrisitians, their freedom of religion includes forcing their beliefs on others"

      Christianity isn't being forced on anyone. It wouldn't help you. If a "Christian" king took over a country and proclaimed that the national religion is now Christianity and the law is you must go to church every Sunday and worship ... that has nothing to do with whether you ARE a Christian.

      "How else do you explain the rage they exhibit when someone says "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas". because they claimed that pagan holiday first!"

      Eh. Say happy holidays all you want. When I get annoyed is when Target and other businesses make it a rule they can't say Merry Christmas. They're saying we don't want to insult the atheists, so we'll pander to them. And we don't mind if the Christians get insulted.

      December 27, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Topher

      You know, it's not all about the Christians. Did you forget about Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and all the rest of the religions that don't really have any stock in christmas?
      Also, this law is not forcing anyone to take the contraceptives, it's giving equal access to everyone, and there is already a church exemption inherent in the law. So this law isn't forcing any belief on anyone.
      The christians have no grounds to object, but want to anyway because anything less than special treatment is persecution to many christians.

      December 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      But weapons of mass destruction, war, and overthrowing a non-christian goverment are allowed in the bible, aren't they?

      nope

      Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. Colossians 3:22

      December 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      Hi, Toph...

      Since Atheists are such a small minority in the US, I can't imagine that Target is concerned with offending them with "Merry Christmas." And you are too smart not to have noticed the increasing population of East Asians, Central Asians, Middle Easterns, etc. that now occupy our communities...I would imagine that that is the reason.

      Plus, are they really out to offend Christians purposely? I can't imagine that you are that petty. Your bating with the Dawkins quote earlier confirms that you can think for yourself...or, at least, cleverly.

      What really amazes me is that Christians or their God can be offended by anything. A mature person (and a mature God) who is a saved and sanctified child of the God who is THE truth and reality of this life shouldn't be wasting their time being offended...they would seem to have far more important concerns...and yet, we live in a world where the slightest offense produces the cry "I'm being persecuted!"...an interesting psychology.

      December 27, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @O'Noonan

      It's a fallback to the passage in the bible that says that people will hate them because they're christians. If they can convince themselves they're being persecuted, then it reinforces their belief in the asserted "inerrancy" of their holy book. Quite pathetic really. If they get special treatment and eventually get their beliefs to be forced onto everyone, it only serves to confirm to them the power of their supposed god. It's a win-win for them.

      December 27, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Topher

      hawaiiguest

      "You know, it's not all about the Christians. Did you forget about Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and all the rest of the religions that don't really have any stock in christmas?"

      That's fine. Like I said, say Happy Holidays if you want to. The problem lies when rules are made against saying Merry Christmas. If after making a purchase at a store, I tell a cashier Merry Christmas, and they, also a Christian, can't say it back because the management is afraid of the atheists, we ARE being persecuted. I'm only asking for equal treatment.

      "Also, this law is not forcing anyone to take the contraceptives, it's giving equal access to everyone, and there is already a church exemption inherent in the law. So this law isn't forcing any belief on anyone."

      The belief is that it's OK to have certain medical services done or to use certain contraceptives and that you can force me against my better judgment to provide those things when I think they are morally wrong. If you don't like the medical coverage Hobby Lobby chooses to provide or their high regard for Christianity, you can apply for a job somewhere else. Also, you make the mistake in thinking that the church exemption works. The church is not the building we go to, but each of us who are members. So if I don't want to pay for your morning-after pill, I shouldn't have to.

      December 27, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @hawaii...

      Hey, thanks for all your posts over the time I've been here.

      Yes...we creatively used all sorts of verses to reinforce our need to feel special in a world where we didn't want to be part of the mundane normalcy...a peculiar psychology of the Evangelical...thus, it was/is a badge of honor to know that you are hated because they hated Jesus

      (oddly, the "world" greatly admires the very things about Jesus, those qualities that are conscpicuosly absent from today's believers).

      And yet, "God so loved the world..."

      Much like most of the convenience of today's American Christian, it is an effective excuse not to have to engage the world...just give a few dollars and show up on Thanksgiving and Christmas to the local homeless shelter to do the "PR" feeding "photo op" of those in desperate need of their prescence the other 24/7-363...

      December 27, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Topher

      Wow, your persecution complex runs really deep.

      "The church is not the building we go to, but each of us who are members."
      Try not paying your taxes like a church and see how well that definition works for you.

      December 27, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Topher

      Hi, O'Noonan. How are you?

      "Since Atheists are such a small minority in the US, I can't imagine that Target is concerned with offending them with "Merry Christmas." And you are too smart not to have noticed the increasing population of East Asians, Central Asians, Middle Easterns, etc. that now occupy our communities...I would imagine that that is the reason."

      That probably adds to it, you're right. But we see group size has little to do with things in today's culture. Have you ever looked up the statistic to what percentage of glbt there are in this country? It's VERY small. But that's a topic for another day.

      "Plus, are they really out to offend Christians purposely? I can't imagine that you are that petty. Your bating with the Dawkins quote earlier confirms that you can think for yourself...or, at least, cleverly."

      I don't think they set out to offend Christianity. I think they set out to NOT offend everyone else and don't care that Christianity, the largest religion in this country, is caught in the crossfire. I don't mean to sound petty and I'm sorry if I do. That's not my intention. But I don't need to be a geography scholar to see the religious climate in similar countries (Britain) that go secular and how Christianity has all but died there.

      "What really amazes me is that Christians or their God can be offended by anything. A mature person (and a mature God) who is a saved and sanctified child of the God who is THE truth and reality of this life shouldn't be wasting their time being offended...they would seem to have far more important concerns...and yet, we live in a world where the slightest offense produces the cry "I'm being persecuted!"...an interesting psychology.

      All that is very true to a point. There are far more important things in this world, like making everyone know what God has said and revealed so that everyone can make an informed decision on the subject of Him. But making it "illlegal" to even say Merry Christmas leads us down a road that is very difficult to come back from. We've got legal gay marriage, legal abortions aand now a law that says employers, regarless of their religious beliefs, must pay for pills and could kill an unborn baby or even abortions themselves. Where will all this lead us? Only away from God and how can that be good?

      December 27, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Topher

      Holy Zombie Jew on a stick are you really that deluded? When has it EVER been illegal to say Merry Christmas you crazy moron? It's a policy from a few stores, and not a federal mandate! Are you that desperate to feel persecuted that you would flat out lie? Isn't that a sin according to your religion?

      December 27, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Topher

      Wow. Way to misrepresent what I said. Note the the word in quotation marks.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • OTOH

      Topher,
      ""The church is not the building we go to, but each of us who are members."

      My property taxes are higher because the numerous churches in this county, who own prime property, and lots of it, pay no property taxes. You, as a member, benefit by not having to chip in for them. I am being persecuted by being forced to pay these taxes for you - so there!

      December 27, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Topher

      If there is a misrepresentation, it's in your meaning. I know you like to claim allegory and metaphor in your bible, but when writing to other people, it might be worthwhile to write what you mean.
      Did you really think I didn't get your intent? Your word usage was specifically used for the purpose of blowing it out of proportion, so I gave you a taste of what you tried.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      Toph...thank you for your thoughtfulness and thoughts...I really appreciate what you've said in your response...I'm actually under the weather today with what seems to be the onset of the flu though I've had my mandatory flu shot....

      And yes, working for some businesses requires some things that may go against my beliefs...but for all the hand wringing Christians do today, their 1st century brothers and sisters had no rights at all and they seemed to "prosper" spiritually...but certainly not physically....

      If the Christian is going to claim the literality of their scripture, then the Great Commission looks nothing like what Christianity is doing in the name of Jesus today....so, it is refreshing to hear you say that about informing folks of the gospel (GOOD NEWS)....

      But, if Christians in the US were more willing to leave the comfort of their god Capitalism and Democracy and instead, gave their lives out on the everyday streets, then more folks would take notice of the message of their messiah....

      There is an extra-biblical source, I can't remember where, that applauded the 1st century christian community for taking care of those who were hungry by fasting...GOING WITHOUT FOOD for themselves in order to feed others who have none...just looking at the obesity rate among Southern Evangelicals testifies to the great degree of separation between what those early followers of Jesus were and what Christians are today....

      ..and I remember vividly how my pastor(s) would long for us to return to those good ol' days of 1st century living....

      Toph...it doesn't matter what happens to you or your family in this world...you guys should be sacrificing your very lives for your gospel...but because you are not, you are indistinguishable from the "flesh" and the "world"....

      December 27, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Topher

      O'Noonan

      "I'm actually under the weather today with what seems to be the onset of the flu though I've had my mandatory flu shot...."

      Yikes! I know how you feel. I had stomach flu along with my wife last weekend. Had to cancel my part in the Christmas cantata at church and reschedule two family gatherings. It's no fun at all and I hope you feel better soon!

      "And yes, working for some businesses requires some things that may go against my beliefs...but for all the hand wringing Christians do today, their 1st century brothers and sisters had no rights at all and they seemed to "prosper" spiritually...but certainly not physically...."

      True. Our "persecutions" in this country are absolutely nothing in comparison to what is going on in other countries. Ever look into a ministry called Voice of the Martyrs? Wowza.

      "If the Christian is going to claim the literality of their scripture, then the Great Commission looks nothing like what Christianity is doing in the name of Jesus today....so, it is refreshing to hear you say that about informing folks of the gospel (GOOD NEWS)...."

      Couldn't agree more. We've just recently made a big evangelism push in our church. I'm praying that just keeps getting bigger next year. I personally consider my chats on this message board part of that Great Commission.

      So, what is your persuassion? Are you a Christian? What denomination, if you don't mind my asking. Full disclosure, I'm a Baptist.

      Well, I've gotta get to work. Hope you have a good one. Feel better. And God bless.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @ toph....have a good and safe night at work...sorry to hear you were ill...

      In some ways, I am sad to no longer be a Christian...but I appreciate your ability to see that there is too much petty nonsense distracting Christians from their true calling...

      I can only encourage you to look beyond Matthew 28 and consider Matthew 25...Christians shouldn't have time to worry about maintaining their safe lives...they should be out, among so many places, in the hospitals sitting with patients 24/7 who need more than modern medicine...who desperately need someone to listen to them and NOT evangelize, but just be there to care...healing isn't limited to Q4 meds, it requires great caring and listening and nurses, for instance, don't have the time to be nurses and truly care for their patients (the more important "Healthcare Crises")...

      But each day/ night I walk the halls of my hospital (and every hospital I've worked at), the patient's needs are not being met...

      And that's just the beginning...but these things don't matter to the American Christian...just bread and circuses....

      December 27, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • On the contrary

      Topher, let me spell it out for you.

      When you pay taxes, that money becomes the property of the U.S. Government to be used for government work.
      It is not you providing these medical choices, but the government. Get it?

      You apparently have no problem with government money being used to do other things against your particular individual belief, so why don't you just shut up about medical procedures?

      It doesn't matter what your bible says. Our government is not a slave to your bible. Our government is ruled by the Constltution, which you must surely hate. You are a traitor, Topher, and I hope you get put in prison where you belong.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      On the Contrary's reply was awesome.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @toph...

      And, sorry, but I have to disagree that this is part of your fulfillment of the Great Commission...making disciples costs you your life...or it should, anyway...i

      I remember what a coward I was leaving a Chick tract in a bathroom stall or at a phone booth thinking I was serving the Gospel....and I confront, with "holy" anger any Christian who tries to offer one today...

      It is a coward who hands out a few words and then runs away without any personal sacrifice to walk in the shoes of the one they are trying to convert...to not care enough to spend time (not a few seconds, not even a few days or weeks or months, but their lifetime) learning and listening and caring for and about the person that their God supposedly gave His life for...

      I was a coward as a Christian and most today are....

      December 27, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      Topher, it is against my own best interests to say this, but if your goal is to recruit more believers, you should shut up. You, fred, Chad, (the real) HeavenSent and a couple other delusional believers are the best recruiters for "The Nones."

      December 27, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • On the contrary

      Thanks, Moby. Now if only I could pound these words into Topher's head with a blunt object, my day would be complete.

      December 27, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • O'Noonan

      @Moby....most of their responses and comments have contributed to my consideration of an overall atheism...

      December 27, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
  20. New Alias

    If the discussion was about a product that's only use was to cause abor.tions, Hobby Lobby would have a valid point. However, this is about the Christians not wanting people to sin. They have no right to impose their morals onto their employee’s personal lives.

    December 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • truth be told

      Yes they do.

      December 27, 2012 at 3:16 pm |
    • New Alias

      truth??
      Do you really believe your employer can tell you how to behave, beyond things that would negatively impact your job performance?

      December 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Really??

      New Alias
      The employers in "at will" states can and do impose rules of conduct on employees all the time. There are several employers that will not hire smokers, some that have clauses on personal injury., etc. If they do not discriminate based on the rules set down by anti discrimination laws then all else is fair game. ( note...not all states are "at will" employment states.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • Mrs. Pepperpot

      No, they don't, tbt.

      December 27, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
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