My Take: Jesus was a dirty, dirty God
January 5th, 2013
10:00 PM ET

My Take: Jesus was a dirty, dirty God

Editor’s note: Johnnie Moore is the author of Dirty God (#DirtyGod). He is a professor of religion and vice president at Liberty University. Keep track of him @johnnieM .

By Johnnie Moore, Special to CNN

(CNN) - Jesus was a lot more like you than you think, and a lot less clean cut than this iconic image of him that floats around culture.

You know the image. It’s the one where Jesus is walking like he’s floating in robes of pristine white followed by birds singing some holy little ditty. He’s polished, manicured, and clearly – God.

But despite the Christian belief that Jesus was both fully God and fully man, Jesus was a rather dirty God.

He was the “earthly” son of a carpenter, and life in the first-century was both more lurid and unfinished than our collective religious memory seems to recall.

To that end, I suggested recently to several astounded colleagues of mine that Jesus actually had to go to the bathroom, perhaps even on the side of the road between Capernaum and Jerusalem.

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What tipped them over the edge was when I insinuated that Jesus, like almost every other human being living in the rural world in that time, might have even had dysentery on an occasion or two.

Someone said, “You mean that Jesus might have had severe diarrhea?”

“Yep,” I replied, “That’s exactly what I mean.”

It seems like an obvious statement if you believe that Jesus was “fully God” and “fully man” (as most evangelicals believe and call the Incarnation), but to some of us it seems in the least, inappropriate, and at the most, sacrilege, to imagine Jesus in this way. We might believe that God was also man, but we picture him with an ever-present halo over his head.

But, actually, the Jesus of the Bible was more human than most people are conditioned to think.

I call this the dirty side of Jesus. He was grittier, and a lot more like us than maybe we believe, and that’s one of the reasons why so many thousands of people followed him so quickly.

They could relate to him.

He was the teacher from a small town who knew and understood the economic insecurity that was common in the first century. Times must have been rather tough for Jesus at points in his life, for he even spoke of being homeless, having to sleep on the ground with no roof over his head.

He also knew what it was like to have his message rejected and how it felt to be misunderstood. Jesus was regarded with such little significance in his hometown that one of his critics once remarked sardonically, “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son?” Jesus eventually had to move to different city (Capernaum) because his teachings so infuriated the people living in his hometown that they drove him out of Nazareth and even tried to throw him off a cliff.

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The real Jesus had dirt underneath his fingernails and calluses on his hands. He probably smelled badly from sweating profusely in the Judean sun on his long hikes to Jerusalem, and Jesus was, without a doubt, rumored to be a hypocrite or absolutely mad for all the time he spent with prostitutes and those afflicted with leprosy.

Not exactly have a clean-cut image.

He had a rather shady reputation.

Some people thought he was a revolutionary. The religious leaders called him a heretic, and others even accused him of being a drunkard and a glutton - in no small part because of the vagabond group of disciples he had with him. No serious religious leader of his day would have ever recruited such people.

For his core 12 disciples, Jesus included a tough-as-nails, bombastic fisherman (Peter), a chief tax collector named Matthew (the most hated popular figure of the time), an eventual traitor who was stealing money out of the offering bucket (Judas), a prolific doubter (Thomas), two jocks nicknamed the “Sons of Thunder” (James and John) and Simon the Zealot, a member of a radical political party which believed in using violence to kick out the Romans.

Jesus was sarcastic, too.

He often snapped back at the Pharisees with a tone fit for late-night television, and in a terribly embarrassing moment for all those around him, Jesus even called these respected religious teachers “snakes” that were probably sons of “Satan.”

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That’s not exactly the behavior of a sweet, self-help teacher with a halo over his head.

It’s the behavior of a frustrated man who might also be divine, but sure knows how it feels for annoying people to get under his skin.

Christians believe that Jesus chose to be born fully human, too, but why?

Lots of theologians have laid out opinions over the centuries, and in their opining they have tried once again to hijack Jesus’ humanity by defining it in philosophical terms. I believe it’s simpler than the philosophy and church councils and centuries of argument.

The brilliance of Christianity is the image of a God, named Jesus, arrived with dirty hands.

Jesus came in a time period when Greco-Roman gods were housed in gigantic temples and portrayed with superhuman powers and with superhuman physiques. Gods were believed to be far away from people on their mountains or hemmed up in their sanctuaries.

Jesus arrived in defiance of this prevailing imagery.

Jesus didn’t come flinging lightning bolts from a mountaintop, or playing politics in Rome. He came to live in a typical Middle Eastern village called Nazareth that was home to a couple hundred typical people. He didn’t decide to brandish his power, but to spend most of his time with the powerless and disenfranchised. And when he started a religious movement that reshaped history, he did it in the most profound and anticlimatic way:

He let himself be killed, and then he busted open a tomb.

In Jesus we meet a Savior who understood the desire to sleep just a few more hours, and who had to control his temper sometimes. In Jesus we find a God we can relate to because he chose to relate to us.

He was the God who became dirty so that the world’s souls might be made clean.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Johnnie Moore.

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  1. Jack Wild

    One thing is obvious, the Devil will always dress in the finest silk.

    January 6, 2013 at 11:01 am |
  2. jpccem

    One Solitary Life

    Here is a man who was born in an obscure village, the child of a peasant woman. He grew up in another village. He worked in a carpenter shop until He was thirty. Then for three years He was an itinerant preacher.

    He never owned a home. He never wrote a book. He never held an office. He never had a family. He never went to college. He never put His foot inside a big city. He never traveled two hundred miles from the place He was born. He never did one of the things that usually accompany greatness. He had no credentials but Himself...

    While still a young man, the tide of popular opinion turned against him. His friends ran away. One of them denied Him. He was turned over to His enemies. He went through the mockery of a trial. He was nailed upon a cross between two thieves. While He was dying His executioners gambled for the only piece of property He had on earth – His coat. When He was dead, He was laid in a borrowed grave through the pity of a friend.

    Nineteen long centuries have come and gone, and today He is a centerpiece of the human race and leader of the column of progress.

    I am far within the mark when I say that all the armies that ever marched, all the navies that were ever built; all the parliaments that ever sat and all the kings that ever reigned, put together, have not affected the life of man upon this earth as powerfully as has that one solitary life.

    January 6, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • inspiration

      Most construction people work for a while, than they become drunks and don't work anymore. Typical!

      January 6, 2013 at 11:04 am |
  3. Peter Herz

    Author of this article is obviously a gay person with agenda of normalizing potty language and deviance instead of refuting immorality and 'filth.' Jesus also, unlike any other 'prophet' before him seemed to be obsessed with 'cleanliness' by washing the feet and hands of his saintly followers. That flies in the face of whatever agenda this author has in depicting the messiah as more of a crude homeless person.

    January 6, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • Saraswati

      This guy is a VP at one of the most conservative Christian colleges in the US.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • Ahrentex

      "Oviously gay"?! What in that article leads you to that conviction? That was an utterly absurd statement...
      The fact remains that you were not there when Jesus walked the earth. I was not there. No one providing commentary on this article was there, either. So how is anyone supposed to know how Jesus lived, slept, moved his bowels, or anything of the like? No one knows except those who were there. And lo and behold, the bible doesn't address that, either. It addresses his divinity by walking on water, raising the dead, and changing water to wine. Nothing about his bodily functions or having magically clean clothes all of the time. Remarkable stuff for back then, don't you think? Someone surely would have commented on his never having body odor...
      And if being "obvoiusly gay" is a term you use to insult someones intelligence, you, sir, must be gayer than a goose.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • nadinesh

      How offensive you are. Not only do you nutty little fantasies in your head about other people but possibly about Jesus too. Where did you get your image of Jesus? It is a tribal image; the image of Jesus that is posited by a bunch of people to make Jesus look like them, rather than like he was or anyone different from them. It's the same motivation that caused European artists, in all innocence, to draw Jesus as though he were a northern German man. But you should know better.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:30 am |
  4. n2it

    Having read this article, I couldn't help but think of Ghandi's take on Christianity: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

    January 6, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • Peter Herz

      Same could be said about their enlightened ones and all the people that imperfectly follow suit.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • Daniel

      LOL- He also mentioned once- "Yes, I am familiar with Christianity... but I've never met one"

      January 6, 2013 at 11:26 am |
  5. Daniel

    First off- This article is very accurate, in the human sense, which is the essence of "God" breaking into humanity. Jesus was Jewish. Jews were a semitic race, as Arabs are. Jews of the time looked like Arabs- so add that to the taboo list.

    Secondly- in response to the endless "It's prophesied" in Isaiah that a messiah would come to save Israel. These are ridiculous modern psych thought processes in order to "prove" that Christ is the messiah. A sort of Christian pseudo science that is not spiritual in the least. Arguing using a modern psyche is futile and gets one nowhere in their own spiritual growth.

    But..for arguments sake- lets take the Isaiah prophesies of Jesus. Guess what- Jesus ripped the holy Jewish priests ie Pharisees. He predicted (surprisingly accurately) that the Temple would be destroyed. A mere 30 yeas after this proclamation....it was destroyed and there was no more Israel and the Jews became a diaspora, So.. Isaiah's prophesy iwas not fullfilled, so much for that. Furthermore,the original Jewish Christians decided at some point early on (no later than 2nd C AD) to separate from Judaism. The Diaspora settled from the middle east and all over Europe. Over the centuries Jews were blamed by the "Christians" for just about everything, since they were blamed (up until mid 20th) as Christ killers. (not all Christians- most of the Saints practiced the action of Christianity).This culminated in the Holocaust- Hitler, though considering Christian practice/philosophy of peace and compassion weak and dangerous. He initially used Christianity as part of German heritage and nationalism and ubermech. Very few "Christians", with the exception of some notable priests and idividuals, spoke out against the rabid anti-semetic and the very obvious deportation of Jews. Italy, France, Norway, Sweden, Holland, etc for the most part complied out of either anti-semetism or fear. Few were the people willing to take Christianity as action and to be a martyrs. There were and as an example to show how weak Christian Faith in general was- we venerate the very few who hid Jews in monasteries, Catholic schools etc. Most of those who hid Jews- were actually what Christians currently describe as the dreaded Godless Secular Humanists- simply non practicing Catholics or Protestants. Not such a good reflection on Christianity during WWII (not to mention the anti-semitism from the Dark Ages up to the 20thC).
    I'll be very generous and say that 90% of "Christians" were silent. So, to summarize Isaiah's prophecy-so much for saving Israel. Incredibly, and this is very ugly, some claim- "oh, but wait, Israel exists now as a State the prophecy was fulfilled in God's time and "he" works in many ways". This Idolatrous God is one cruel supreme being. The recent Evangelical Christian right interest in Israel- a sick sort of mentality- "Christian" tours to Israel tour the various places the End of Times will occur. Guess who will be burned and go to "hell"? Those Jews that don't convert. So, I ask this... did Isaiah predict a Messiah that would accurately predict the falling of Jerusalem/Temple- the Jewish Diaspora, the Holocaust, and the creation of the State/country of Israel...just so it would be a landing zone of sorts, for the end, and the Israelites that did not convert would burn? I don't think so.
    Christianity is action.as shown by early saints such as Saint Laurent. The action is compassion, love and conviction- to the point, as Jesus says, you are willing to die for this. Le Saint Laurent (2nd AD) was bbqed on the spit as a martyr. If Christianity is not this sort of action and willingness to die peacefully (not in war)- it is Idolatry. If you believe that in order to be saved from eternal hell that you have to believe in Jesus as the Son of God- it is Idolatry. Quid Pro Quo. Quid Pro Quo=Idolatry.
    Attributing human qualities to God, and "believing" in such a way that you will gain Gods favor. This is exactly what the Greeks did. Throughout most of Judaism the word "God" or Elohim was not to be used- because it represented the All and
    a mystery so great that man is incapable of comprehension. It was heretical to say Elohim, not to mention describing God/Elohim as super being, or a being, Why? Because we can only define "being " in our earthly perceptions of "being" and this is followed immediately by projecting human qualities- Such as vengence, wrath,
    etc. Love, and compassion, on the other hand, is not a common human quality (as mentioned above)-Love is beyond being- it is divine.
    So, the "Christians" that interpret Revelation as describing the End blah blah have not taken the time to note that it was written at the time of the destruction of the Temple and the Holy of Holies. It describes the End from a Jewish perspective- since John was a Jew. The symbols are directly tied to Judaism. For Jews the destruction of the Temple was certainly thought of the End. Christianity is action not going around judging people and "believing" for the sake of the after life. The action, as Jesus taught, is not to be done with agenda (read the Gospels)which includes the intent of "converting". It is only to be done with no agenda besides Love and Compassion. If you do not want to be Idolatrous- ask yourself- what if
    Jesus' raison d'etre had nothing to do with the afterlife ? You just cease to exist as yourself? Would you still love Jesus? ie would you love Jesus if he simply taught and gave of himself as Godhead 2000 yrs ago? ie you will get nothing in return in your "afterlife"? What if you get nothing out of Jesus but a way of life of compassion and love without agenda? Would you? That... is the litmus test as to the love of Jesus. The rest is hocus pocus. PS- I am "Christian" but only in the sense of Jesus

    January 6, 2013 at 11:00 am |
  6. Rev. David Carter, DD

    Wow! This is what I have trying to get across for YEARS! The Bible makes it clear that Jesus was all GOD, but he was also all MAN! How could he emphathize with us if he did not really KNOW us? This is great! Preach on, Johnnie!

    January 6, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • snowboarder

      why would god need to be human to empathize? what kind of lousy god is he?

      January 6, 2013 at 11:16 am |
    • End Religion

      You're aware your bible and imaginary sky buddy are a fraud, right?

      January 6, 2013 at 11:16 am |
    • Seyedibar

      They call these demigods.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:19 am |
  7. Canadian Jack

    Empathy is within our genes. Some empathic genes are very strong. For others not as much. Empathy releases endorphins in the bodies of humans experiencing that emotion. That feeling reinforces the empathic response. For those like Pontius Pilate he had no empathy for all the thousands of crucifixions he caused. He like the Roman Centurion allowed their fear to suppress their weak genetic empathic biochemicals surging within them. For those who have some empathy. you must never suppress it but always encourage it in all situations. This should be the sole message of all faiths. Is it?

    January 6, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • Saraswati

      No, some faiths, like falun dafa preach against exercising your empathy on the grounds the suffering is deserved. But even if you make this belief central, over time religions take on extra characteristics, practical at the time, but which run the course of usefulness over the years.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • Mom of3

      Is God sympathetic to those born without or with not enough empathic genes? After all, if they don't have the required amount, are they really responsible for being so bad to their fellow man?

      January 6, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • chaoticidealism

      That's an important message, but it's not the only important message. Most faiths, especially monotheistic ones like Christianity, also include the requirement to think about and establish your relationship to God. Since God is essentially good, this is never incompatible with empathy. Jesus once said that everything important could be summed up as "Love God; love each other"–everything else is just details. Without God, empathy just becomes a way to get warm fuzzy feelings about helping each other. Not that there's anything wrong with the warm fuzzies, but God puts things in perspective–tells us that we're not the center of the universe, that there exist things much bigger than us. Having that larger framework lets us help each other even when we don't feel like it–when we don't get the warm fuzzies, when we've been taught prejudice that's still hanging on, when we can't see the other person's face in order to empathize with them. God–whose nature is eternal–allows for absolute truth and objective reality, which lets us go beyond just "I feel good when I do good," to, "I should do good no matter whether it feels good or not."

      January 6, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • Daniel

      True- but empathy and compassion do not come easily to most. It has to be practiced, and become routine, and.. in fact, not emotional. In fact many early Christians and Jews considered any sort of emotional spiritual experience to be bogus and ephemeral- just as you describe.
      btw- I am a biologist and understand genes being turned on and off- there is both epi-genetic ie caused by environment or diet etc, and resulting in certain genes that would not normally be turned on to produce phenotypic bio-feedback etc. The genetics of neurology are fascinating and complex. Environment plays an enormous role in which genes may be activated or not.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:14 am |
  8. Stephen

    There is evidence that he existed. So, when people say he did not exist, and that this is some folk tell, I have to point out that other history from that time, shows he did exist. So, the question is not if a person named Jesus was here at that time. The question is, was he, and is he God? That is where the Christians (me included) and those who are not differ.

    January 6, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • inspiration

      Actually, there's nothing to say he existed. It was all made up by the Christian charlatans that made up the story.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • Anon

      Zero evidence but you nutjobs will never admit it. Gotta keep the farce going for the money,

      January 6, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • OpposingView

      To "Inspiration"... Actually, the only thing made up is the lies you've been told. And you bought it – hook line and sinker....

      January 6, 2013 at 11:10 am |
    • Saraswati

      I agree that there is evidence of several prophets at the time who fit various parts of the story laid out int
      he new testament. But the question is not as simple as was he a god or not. While many parts of the story appear to be based on fact, others are quite likely fictionalized. And even among Christians, not all think Jesus was god, but many see him as a human prophet or something between god and prophet.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • chaoticidealism

      It doesn't make any sense to me to argue that Jesus never existed. We have archeological evidence of the existence of Christianity dating back to a time when the oldest people living would have been able to see him in person. If you were making up a fictional person, would you make up someone who lived in the 1960s? No–you'd choose an earlier time, sometime when Grandma couldn't come up to you and say, "Hey! It wasn't like that! I was there!" Early Christians would have had to all have been in on a huge fraud related to believing in someone who never existed, and then been stupid enough to get themselves killed over it. Whereas, if there were a charismatic teacher with a message way ahead of his time–someone people listened to and followed–that could very well start a religion, and it makes much more sense than the assumption that some secret group made up someone who never existed.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • Daniel

      The problem with seeing Jesus as a Deity and in turn defining God in human terms- is Idolatrous. Elohim was never to be spoken, or rarely. Certainly not ascribing human qualities to "God"- and in that sense- God is not definable. It was condisered
      dangerous to say "God" because this would immediately lead to treating him as a being, resulting in unavoidable human projection. Love and Compassion are not common human attributes. They have to be practiced.
      The other thing- There are so many stories of virgin births – it is a common aspect of many old religions that existed at the time of Jesus. The Christian Old Testament is not accurately translated from Torah

      January 6, 2013 at 11:24 am |
    • Diego

      I fully agree with you, brother. To some of us, there is no question. And I thank our Lord for that, because he has given us revelation and understanding that surpass all human knowledge and rationality. The "mystery" of Jesus is precisely that, it cannot be understood from human reason, but from the spirit within.

      I think this article is kind of misleading. I can understand the curiosity of the reporter, and even his obsession with a historical Jesus, but by the Grace of God, there is more to Jesus than a "history". Thankfully, we know of something more, those of us he calls "evangelicals" (even though we are more like "christians" because we follow Christ and his "evangelium", his walk through this world of us).

      You see, we KNOW of a higher call, a higher, deeper and simpler truth: he is, by all accounts, the Lord above, Light Eternal (which is the meaning behind the word "God", despite other cultures trying to claim the word for themselves and some of their characters).

      Jehovah ("the Eternal One") is the Father above all, but Jesus Christ, as the Angel of Jehovah and the Lion of Judah, ever victorious, is the persona and avatar of our God as it was shown to Mankind. There is no mistake brother!

      It actually does not matter wether he had dirty nails or not, or if his clothes were those of kings or of beggars. The truth, my friend, is a spiritual one, and there is no relevance in the little things you expose here. May the Lord bless you, and show you the things that really matter. Next time, try to use your position here on CNN for something a little more... useful.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • sqeptiq

      True, there is evidence; it's just not very good evidence. There's not even very good evidence that a place called Nazareth existed.

      January 6, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
  9. james

    You can write an article like this about Jesus, But be careful with Mohammed, all hell will break lose.

    January 6, 2013 at 10:57 am |
  10. Kevin

    As a practicing Christian, I love this article! Now understand that I am a highly liberal Christian, and while I reject supernaturalism, I do celebrate the unknown. For me, the true "raw" facts make the Christian tradition all the more relevant in my life. I am a member of a very liberal Episcopal Church, and we are growing! We have a lot of young families because of our Sunday School. Our music is great without being elitist. I am on the altar guild, and I have been a church organist for nearly 30 years. At my church, we welcome people to communion "wherever you are in your journey in faith." Wouldn't Jesus have done that? No, I don't believe in an afterlife either, but I do believe that all of us, when we die, leave a legacy. I have to sign off now – it's Sunday, and I'm singing in the choir, and I will delight in seeing all the little kids coming to church. Thanks be to God!

    January 6, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • Rick

      a non-supernatural Christian? hmmmm

      January 6, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • snowboarder

      kevin, interesting. i know many people who embrace christianity and judaism as tradition, which is understandable.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • Anon

      Still considered crazy in my book.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • Canadian Jack

      Agnostic? Well theoretical physicists have published in peer reviewed articles that the universe is a hologram. Neurologists who have studied the data stored in the average brain have concluded that the limits of the skull can possible contain all of this data. Again the brain is a hologram. In a hologram everything is based on perspective. That is why perspective is dangerous. It misinforms us all the time. Religion is a perspective. It is nothing more than that. It too can be dangerous unless it is understood to be an illusion just like everything else. This knowledge makes you humble and that's a step in the right direction for most of us. The Question that is to be asked is "Who is projecting this illusion and Why?" The answer to that question is to know Her Infinite Mind. Yes, God has always been a woman. That is precisely why She made man first. He was practice. Statistics have established that women are outdistancing men in academia and all other manner of this illusory life. Religion should take the blame for the unfair treatment women have received for the last 3000 years. How many of us are who are alive today are the distant descendants of a woman who was violated by a stranger or a relative at some point in the past. No one is really all that special when you really think about it. But together we can be a force to be reckoned with.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:23 am |
    • Chris

      Kevin, it sounds like you are more into practicing church than being a practicing christian. The traditions that have come from the pulpit and denominations have been the primary reason that people dispute the existance of Jesus and his being the Christ. His life and legacy of love are true and will continue despite the practices of what we have made the church, but not because of it.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:30 am |
  11. the praisworthy

    people need to do some homework about the bible ,god knows how many discrepancies they will find,alterations,additions...BUT why over 200years after jesus ministery the added the doctrin of the trinity that you can not find it in the bible but they teach it in churches !!!!!!!...WHERE DID JESUS SAID I'M DIVINE

    January 6, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • Rick

      Clearly you have looked into this historically very little or not at all.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • SciGuy

      Several places actually.

      He said Before Abraham was, I AM, thereby identifying himself with YHWH, the great I AM, the self-existent one.

      He said I and the Father are one, thereby identifying himself with the Father.

      He said, If you've seen me, you've seen the Father, again making the identification plain.

      These are off the top of my head, no doubt there are more.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • the praisworthy

      i and the father are one(metaphorical languge means they are one in the message ,he says whatever god asked him to say ...) !! what about when he said MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I ,and so many other ......

      January 6, 2013 at 11:37 am |
    • nadinesh

      You're right. He didn't say he was any more divine than the rest of us. Having a divine being incarnate into flesh was a very popular religious idea at the time though, particularly within the Graeco-Roman religions. His "divinity" was indeed postulated several centuries after he died. Not all Christians do believe he was God, although the majority of today's Christians have a large legacy of dogma asserting it.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:38 am |
  12. Rick

    f He doesn't exist, and now is all we have, it is pretty sad so many are on here knocking Jesus. Is this really all you have to do with your short time on Earth? Really? Besides being sad, just shows how many of you are nerds. Seriously. Think about yourself for a moment.

    January 6, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • Sigideba

      Uhm, there's three fingers pointed back at you right now.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • sqeptiq

      If you have no experience before you were born, you gradually became aware of here-and-now, what makes you think you will have any experience after here-and-now ends?

      January 6, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
  13. Rocco

    Your statement that all Christians believe Jesus was fully man and fully God, is false. If you did a real study of the scriptures, you would find that Jesus is the Son of God and not equal to God in any way. Yes Jesus was fully man, and that is exactly all he was man. If he was more than that he couldn't have died, and been dead for three days before a resurrection.

    January 6, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • Seyedibar

      It's hilarious to watch people juggling semantics to try and define their supernatural deities,when all you're really doing is trying to write your own version of it with less inconsistencies.
      Supernatural forces do not exist. There are no gods or demigods, just gullible people.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • nadinesh

      I agree with you, Rocco. Not all Christians believe Jesus was an incarnation of God. I do not.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:39 am |
  14. DJ

    Go ahead make fun of Christians. All of you that are 16 to 30 year old scholars, condemning a faith with 2,000 years of history, a faith that produced scholars,customs,science, inventions and even the very educational system for the modern world you live in and stand behind. You know more than they did from the days of Abraham thousands of years ago to the present.
    Your so called fairytale is what gave you the life you cling to. How little you really know. You owe a lot of thanks to Christianity, and you don't have a clue the stone age society you would be living in without it.

    January 6, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • inspiration

      Sure. that's shy the rule of Christianity is called "the dark ages".

      January 6, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • Seyedibar

      We can look at where christianity is practiced fundamentally and see worshipers engaging in stone age behaviour, such as witchhunts and stonings. The American paradise was created through enlightenment and distancing itself from christianity.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • End Religion

      Neil deGrasse Tyson on how religious zealotry restricts education:


      January 6, 2013 at 11:11 am |
  15. believer6

    It's funny how people (non-believers) try to change the ways the Lord has made for us. You can try but you never will be able to eradicate Jesus. Bible or not bible, church or not chirch but I do believe, dirty or not, that he was the most blessed man and THE ONLY son of God. Besides he knew he was always was going to be criticized. Remember what he said: "He That Is Without Sin, Cast The First Stone".

    January 6, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • Seyedibar

      Your religion is already been disproven. All the gods of the Old Testament have been proven to be earthly kings and folk heroes. Hence, there have never been actual gods to build christianity upon. Even if there were a christ, his entire philosophy would have been constructed on a misunderstanding of the gods his people revered. There is no value n your religion.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:23 am |
  16. Casey Collins

    John the Baptist was dirty...I cannot imagine anyone of the period was exactly clean. Keep your money, and don't buy this book.

    January 6, 2013 at 10:55 am |
  17. Jeff 30

    I wonder if Romney clicks his heels once or twice to activate his cult Momon Magical Underwer? During the last presidental debate Romneys face was turning red and sweaty........this was because his Mormon Magical Underwear Malfunctioned.....he was fevorishly clicking his heels together,clinching his buttocks tightly hoping they would activate but to no avail...........THe cult powers of Kolob and Joesoph Smith failed Romney.......... Thus he lost the debate. Its funny seeing this backfire on all the christians that turned their back on their faith to support a man who thinks the skidmark in his underwear grants him magical powers..........lol devout christians ......yeah right lol

    January 6, 2013 at 10:55 am |
  18. inspiration

    I guess warm water showers were not easy to come by in those days.

    January 6, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • Saraswati

      Yep, you won't catch me living in a world without running warm water. But in only a few hundred years I'm sure our descendants will think we were filthy.

      January 6, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • fenn

      True that. No toilet paper either.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:30 am |
  19. God is only one, he is NOT born, and he DOESN'T die

    Jesus/ Yeshua is a creation of God like you and me... He is NOT God, that would be idolatry which is against God. This article I stopped reading at the first few sentences... pure ignorance and definitely need to read the ten commandments and Isaiah 45 verses 2-7. Go to the father, Go to the creator, don't worship a finite man. God is only one he doesn't have a birth and he doesn't die. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZW-NKGXFGg

    January 6, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • Rocco


      January 6, 2013 at 10:57 am |
    • Johnson

      Hahaha! You have it all figured out I guess. Whatever. Stephen Hawking and gravity. This is what I worship. Oh, and Peyton Manning. Almost forgot about his god like status. That would have been sinful.

      January 6, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • Seyedibar

      The gods that jesus was worshiping were also real men. These gods were nothing more than kings.

      January 6, 2013 at 11:06 am |
  20. Sigideba

    @heehee You only have to look no further than the Atheist debacle in Santa Monica for nativity scenes. Some intolerant Atheist got the whole thing shut down. That is intolerance. I mean no disrespect and I've been Atheist for over 20 years. I just don't see a need for hostility or intolerance, from either side.

    January 6, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • inspiration

      One cannot and should not tolerate stupidity, ever!

      January 6, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • Sigideba

      Oh thank you inspiration, I didn't know your opinion was fact. Thank you for clearing that up. Do I have your approval to go use the restroom, oh great one?

      January 6, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • OpposingView

      To "Inspiration"... If that is the case, then no one should listen to you – ever!...

      January 6, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • hee hee

      They didn't shut it down.It was shut down by city council, because having atheist exhibits alongside Christian ones caused so much uproar they didn't want to deal with it. (Is the uproar an example of intolerance?)

      Also, their point of view is: if public property is used for religious exhibits, then it ought to be used for other exhibits too.
      (Is that intolerance?)

      January 6, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
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