January 7th, 2013
04:35 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Monday, January 07, 2013

By Arielle Hawkins, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: On religion, Capitol freshmen are more diverse than their incumbent colleagues
The 113th Congress is being heralded for its number of women and minorities, but that diversity extends to religion, too. Newly revised numbers released by The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life show the 113th Congress' freshmen class is more religiously diverse than the lawmakers they will be joining in Congress.

The Church of England announced that if men in celibate civil unions may be priests, then there is no reason for them not to be bishops.

CNN: Priests in same-sex relationships may become Anglican Bishops
Men in a civil union will now be allowed to become bishops in the Church of England, but they are not allowed to have sex. Intercourse between two men – or two women – remains a sin. "Homosexual genital acts fall short of the Christian ideal and are to be met with a call to repentance and the exercise of compassion," according to Anglican doctrine.

Belief on TV:

Photos of the Day:

Photo credit: STAN HONDA/AFP/Getty Images

Tall puppets representing Three Kings are led on East 106 Street during the 34th Annual Three Kings Day Parade January 6, 2010 in the Spanish Harlem section of New York. The parade celebrates the Feast of the Epiphany and New York's Latino community with a procession of children, camels, puppets and performers.

Photo credit: Pier Marco Tacca/Getty Images

A view of The Epiphany Parade In Milan on January 6, 2012 in Milan, Italy. People dressed as the Three Kings along with residents celebrate the Three Kings day as part of the Epiphany Parade. According to Catholic tradition January 6 celebrates the visit of the Magi (the Three Kings) to the infant Jesus bearing gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh and marks the end of Christmas festivities.

Enlightening Reads:

Reuters: Islamists push own agenda in Iraq’s Sunni protests against Shi’ite power
Street protests in Iraq’s Sunni Muslim heartland pose a new challenge to Shi’ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki as shock waves from the Sunni-led insurgency in nearby Syria strain his country’s fragile political balance. Over the past two weeks, tens of thousands of Sunnis have staged demonstrations, and in Anbar province they have blocked a highway to Syria in a show of anger against Maliki, whom they accuse of marginalising their community and monopolising power.

Haaretz: Contested birthright: The modern day sequel
Some critics see Taglit-Birthright as nationalist and right-wing, but the former leader of Israel’s left and architect of the Oslo peace process isn’t worried at all. Terms like “Jewish peoplehood” and “continuity” have become buzzwords in the world of Jewish organizations, but Birthright was before its time. It stressed the connection between Israel and an entire Jewish generation for its own sake, not as a lever to extract donations or encourage aliyah.

Reuters: Pope says Catholic Church must stand firm against “intolerant agnosticism”
Pope Benedict said on Sunday that Roman Catholic leaders must have the courage to stand up to attacks by “intolerant agnosticism” prevalent in many countries. The pope and the Church have come under increased attack because of their opposition to homosexual marriage and women priests. The pope has repeatedly denounced what he says are attempts to push religion out of public debate.

Religion News Service: PBS series depicts American abolitionists as fired by faith
As the nation marks the 150th anniversary of the Emancipation Proclamation, PBS premieres “The Abolitionists,” a three-part series, on Tuesday (Jan. 8). Documentarian Rob Rapley, the writer and director of the series, talked with Religion News Service about the role religion played in the lives of the abolitionists.

Huffington Post: Cameron Partridge, Transgender Episcopal Priest And University Chaplain, On Crossing Boundaries
“I seemed to need to pass through a certain kind of fear before I could embrace a fuller vocation to contribute to conversations on trans and wider LGBT equality in and outside ecclesial contexts, as well as to explore these themes in academic contexts.” That's how Cameron Partridge, a Massachusetts-based Episcopal priest-turned-university chaplain, describes his motivation to engage in advocacy and political action since transitioning from female to male over a decade ago.

Reuters: Russian Orthodox urge Kremlin restraint in new law punishing religious offences
Patriarch Kirill, the head of Russia’s Orthodox church and a long-term ally of President Vladimir Putin, on Sunday urged the Kremlin to be moderate in new legislation seeking stricter punishment for religious offences. The pro-Kremlin United Russia party proposed the law introducing prison terms for religious offences after a protest against Putin’s increasingly close ties with the Church by punk band Pussy Riot in Moscow’s main cathedral last year. Two members of the band were jailed for the protest.

Opinions of the Day:

CNN: My Take: Jesus was a dirty, dirty God
Johnnie Moore, author of Dirty God (#DirtyGod), professor of religion and vice president at Liberty University, says if Jesus was both “fully God” and “fully human” then he was much grittier than the clean cut image we’re used to seeing.

A man cries as he prays at the graves of the victims from the May Lahore attacks against Ahmadiyya community mosques July 14, 2010 in Chenab Nagar, Pakistan.

CNN: My Take: New Year’s resolution – don’t get murdered
Qasim Rashid, a national spokesperson for the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA, writes that “the biggest poison for Muslims worldwide: religious bigotry.”

Join the conversation…

A scholarly article based on the 'Jesus Wife' fragment was delayed as researchers waited on further testing.

CNN: 'Jesus Wife' fragment gets more testing, delays article
One of the most anticipated articles in religion circles will be absent from the pages of the January edition of the Harvard Theological Review. Harvard Divinity School professor Karen King's final article on the "Jesus wife" fragment did not make the scholarly journal because further testing on the Coptic papyrus fragment has not been finished.

- A. Hawkins

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  1. Robert De La Ross

    I just got paid $6784 working off my laptop this month. And if you think that's cool, my divorced friend has twin toddlers and made over $9k her first month. It feels so good making so much money when other people have to work for so much less. This is what I do, Rich45.ℂOM

    January 7, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • .

      Go Troll somewhere else idiot, click the report abuse link.

      January 7, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
  2. lionlylamb

    Evolution is the intelligent designing of all cellular clusters of atomized cosmologies where inside these atomized cosmological cloisters live superior intellects of such very small sizes. We are their buildings and we are of such megalithic proportions that these super small sized superior intellects sees only their cellular cosmologic homes as being similar to our celestial cosmologic home where their and our night skies are very similar comparatively saying.

    Celestial Evolution of Life is but a bi-product of atomized determinations daring affluent symmetries of intellectualized mindsets coming into agreements wherever the plausible places of celestial planetary conditions are made possible for megalithic propensities of atomized cellular constellations to aptly be able to so congeal. Humanities are the celestial evolutions of Life's conditional variations of atomized constellations in its cellular conditionings thru the Ages of celestially cellular obelisks ending with mankind's tree of generational genealogies.

    January 7, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
    • .

      LL is the belief blog idiot, just laugh and move on.

      January 7, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
    • Athy

      That's what I do. Actually, it's more of a chuckle than a genuine laugh.

      January 7, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Only when it's not a shiver of revulsion.

      January 7, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
  3. William Demuth


    Being of a certain age, I remember clearly the efforts of the RCC to recruit those who had an untraditional drive.

    During the 50's and 60's mothers were heavily pressured to give their "unusually oriented children" to the church.

    While I am unsure if pedo behavior is linked in any way to orientation, I must insist that we find out by doing research.

    Avoiding realities is anacceptable by either theist or atheist, and the welfare of children is more important than the considerations of any one group.

    Serious scholarly research can put the question to bed, and the LGBT community could generate large amounts of support if they supported and indeed drove such research.

    To say it is totally caused by orientation, or to deny any link at all is two sides of the same coin.

    We do NOT know, and we have an obligation to find out.

    January 7, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      William Demuth,

      Societal orientations of illustrative individualisms runs the lengths of many generations liberalist commodities. What say you?

      January 7, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • William Demuth

      A liberals aspirational commodities is a conservatives ill-advised necessities of course

      January 7, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • Akira

      Having been raised Catholic myself, I can say that I do not remember any recruiting of that sort going on, but I cannot say that it didn't happen in the 50's; I can only tell you what I know of the RCC church when I was going to the schools and church.
      I can tell you that girls were not allowed to assist the priests while I attended, nor were there any recruitment of people of a certain orientation.
      Serious scholarly research has been going on for years; there is no definitive answer yet as to the causes of child abuse and as it relates to gender preference.
      For every study that supports one theory, there is another that supports a conflicting theory.
      The gay community is of course on board with this; why would you think they wouldn't be, if not to dispel the myths that it is only gay people who molest children? Naturally they want to put to rest a myth like that; they are already the subject of enough bigotry.
      I do not know where in any of my posts that I suggested that I didn't support research; you asked a question pertaining to priest abuse, and I answered it.
      I abhor child molestation; I don't care about the particular gender preference of the person doing the abuse; did I not make myself clear on that?

      January 7, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      William Demuth

      Therefore, ill-advised aspiring commodities of liberally orientated communes are a needed commodity for conservatives forsakenness issues?

      January 7, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
    • Akira

      And, William, one reason I cannot abide the RCC today is their inability to realistically address the concerns of the rampant abuse by their representative clergy.
      This is to put to rest any notion that I am pulling a Bill Deacon.
      The RCC is a disgrace.

      January 7, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
    • lionlylamb


      Your abhorring child-adult behaviorisms of lovemaking acts is but a modern-day gesture of socialistic legislative conditionings. Even I am against such old aged behaviorisms yet since children have always been most breeders' end game, children need to learn of other conditioned desires whereby they may become fruitful social meatiness for any nations' commonwealth ideologies; main plates sociological coursing menus of mental behaviorisms.

      January 7, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • Akira

      Lionly, my abhorance of it stems from the fact that children do not consent, and it cannot, by any definion, (except yours, I suppose) be called "lovemaking".
      Children have no such "desires."
      You make absolutely no sense, and I refuse to talk to you on this subject; your ideas are just too strange.

      January 7, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • Akira

      "Your abhorring child-adult behaviorisms of lovemaking acts is but a modern-day gesture of socialistic legislative conditionings."

      I need no law to tell me that these heinous crimes are wrong; that you seem to need a law to tell YOU that tells me no children should ever be allowed alone with you.
      That you call child molestation "adult/child lovemaking" also tells me that your therapist needs to address more than previously thought.
      I cannot tell you, lionlylamb, how sickened I was after reading this post.
      Something tells me that being a "Christian" isn't the only thing you have in your closet.
      Please don't address me again; I need to take a shower to rid myself of the filth that your repulsive post left on me.

      January 7, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • Saraswati

      The research is already out there. Just because you're too lazy to do some basic research doesn't mean the rest of the world is.

      January 7, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You have to know where LL is coming from. Ask him about his relationship with his brother and why he is so guilt-ridden about it.

      January 7, 2013 at 7:59 pm |
  4. lionlylamb

    The allness of nothingness is absolute. It reaches into all parts of the celestial realms and deeply into all chasms of the atomized realms. Nothingness is for those manifested fruits who hold upon there being no God or no godly afterlife.

    Nothing ventured will be nothing gained and so it will be for the nonbelievers especially the ones who scornfully scoff and ridicule and rant and dare raves against godly believers whose only rented truths are within their faiths upon Godly streams of spiritualized reverences. Back to the Holy Spirit which is the allness of absolute Nothingness all embodied nothingness will go.

    What comes afterwards is up to the most holiest spiritualisms abridged effigies so tainted and scarred in eulogies appendages. Death is the doorway for all travelers within each and unto every of all cellular cosmologies upon the atomized chasms of finitely infinite realms of inner dimensioned feasibilities.

    For all Life's trails upon the celestially orientated does go thru death's gate. It is what happens after entering death's gate that either breaks of makes Life's next mold for living or never ending nothingness. Two choices are for to be chosen. Choose Life within the hereafter, not nothingness for God's sakes!

    January 7, 2013 at 11:32 am |
    • Jill

      lionlylamb, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.

      So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.

      Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.

      Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.

      Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • lionlylamb


      Inside a Universally-Formed Multiple Cosmos of the Living Triune Cosmological Manifestation of the God-Being

      We all live amid two chasms of cosmological orders. We have the inner-cosmos and the outer-cosmos. The inner-cosmos is atomically made and is the universal construct of the outer-cosmos. One could not have an outer cosmos without there being an inner cosmos. Both are synonymously of the same natures. It stands to reason the inner-cosmos was made first and the outer-cosmos came into being only after the passive finalization of the inner-cosmos was made near complete. The inner-cosmos is transcendent and fixed while the outer-cosmos is ascendant and malleable in their dualities nurturing natures.

      The third cosmos is of megalithic life itself made from the inner-cosmos living upon the terrestrial planetary faces of the celestial outer-cosmos. This third cosmos is the celled cosmos or the cellular cosmologic orders duly ordained of and by and even for all megaliths of monolithic life forms to be made anywhere cellular life can grab a foothold to evolve and gain in the abundant natures toward the inner intellectual evolution of its structures ever evolving in intellectualized base pairings. Without the two main Cosmos coming into existence; all living cellular cosmologies in the celestial confines could not ever exist.

      The trinity or threefold nature of chasm cosmologies is being one of the greatest and grandest gestures ever to have been formulated! To say God had nothing to do with such a feat of cosmologic inter-dependencies seems to me, an infallible congruency inconsistent for one to say or think otherwise. To say the nature of God is to keep inflating the physical elements of the outer cosmos while deflating the essence needs for the inner-cosmos leaves one to wonder about the third cosmological construct’s real nature for having been created. Why then are there cellular cosmos of living cosmologies and when did such intra-celled cosmologic life become established?

      The history of multifaceted cosmological expansionism within celestial symmetries comes from the terrestrial complacencies of planetary regularities and solarized star-born objectivism wherever the abundance of inner cosmologies coalesces to form stars, planets and moons among many other fragmented structures within the spatial confines of a universe-formed Cosmos.

      Life, upon the celestial shorelines of the terrestrially compliant are as megalithic monoliths of biologic ‘cellular’ cosmological constants, and were ever formed and are continually forming seemingly unto forever as well placed living megalithic conglomerations in naturalisms arcades of wondrous cavalcades marching in steps of melancholy tributes to God upon the most high cosmos of universally formidable formations on the highest of unimaginable grounds!

      If, that's IF our eternal souls were around from the very beginning moments of this amassed cosmos, what are then the reasons for our being physically born and then soulfully die? Were we not soulfully aware of our bodies being conceptualized within motherly wombs? IF our conscious consciences or our eternal souls are given placements within the bodies are we not but a two-folded being left adrift and apart of and away from the realm that our soul or spirit was first made manifest? Are not our consciences more than an abstraction of psychiatric wonderments?

      Who among us has the rights and wherewithal to be negatively certain of ethereal spiritual life being as a non-realness of the relativity suggestive pragmatisms in the grand dichotomies of lividness issues revolving around spiritualisms of suggested monotheistic faiths? Do Atheisms’ matters linger upon spiritual negatives and parlor about in banters of non-speculative scruples in denying others' faith issues?

      I am saying that deeply within all cellular life does live very intelligent forms of beings so tiny and very small! They are the husbandry of all megalithic life form structures. Christendom calls them as being Gods yet Star Wars calls them as being 'midi-chlorians', the force of all living megalithic monoliths of cellular structured life. I would rather call them very intelligent beings of unknown to us varieties of superiorly small intra-cellular life forms that dared to evolve within all monolithic megalith-celled creations of their own evolutional doing and thru time modified their ever evolving megalithic structures to finally create us!

      1. The inner cosmology of the atomized realms. Are these realms not the first realms conceived in the grand schemes of cosmology?

      2. The outer cosmology of the celestial realms. Did not this realm become conceived only after the inner cosmological realm was made nearing a completion?

      3. The cellular cosmology of the living realms. Did this living realm of cosmological matter come about by sheer coincidence or was there a cosmological order for the living realms of cellular cosmology to become an ever evolving realm ending upon these celestial shores as being mankind?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • psych ward staff

      Uh oh – several patients are causing each other to throw up their word salad all over the place – it's a huge mess – I can't deal with this – call VomitPro asap!

      January 7, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Akira

      Jill has changed it up!
      Well done!

      January 7, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • lionlylamb

      I'll get you my precious little "psych ward staff" and your little "Akira" too! Your not in Kansas anymore! 🙂 🙁 🙂

      January 7, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • Akira


      January 7, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • lionlylamb


      Have you never seen even heard of the Wizard of Ozzie and the Harlot going thru the looking glass? My, my how things have changed,,, Not!

      January 7, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Jill is awesome.

      What's hilarious is that LL doesn't get it.

      January 7, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • Jill

      Thank you, Tom Tom.

      May your tulips never grow hangnails.

      January 7, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • Akira

      Have you never seen even heard of the Wizard of Ozzie and the Harlot going thru the looking glass? My, my how things have changed,,, Not!
      No, I have never heard of it; is that one of your little "adult/child lovemaking" instructional vids, you sick old goat?

      January 7, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      @Jill, thank you. May your cats never grow opposable thumbs.

      January 7, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
    • End Religion

      Let's pool our money and hire someone who sounds like Orson Welles and have him dramatically read Jill's posts. We could sell some iTunes downloads!

      January 7, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
  5. DA

    If anyone wishes to debate evolution with a creationist, just go to youdonthavetohaveaphd.blogspot.

    The individuals who run this site has provided MANY anti-evolution articles. There is a comment section at the end of every piece but it has to be approved by the moderators and this does take a while but they do respond back.

    January 7, 2013 at 11:24 am |
    • Wendy

      No thanks for the spam of your website.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:39 am |
    • ???????

      They did not win in the courts so why go there. ID/creationism can not be taught in public schools in the US

      January 7, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • DA

      It wasn’t spam. I believe in evolution. I was offering the opportunity to debate as those blogs seem to be the mostly commented on this site.


      I wasn’t debating that.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:51 am |
  6. DA

    What ever happened to Rufus T Firefly?

    January 7, 2013 at 11:20 am |
  7. >:-o

    And everyone's favorite


    Happy reading!

    January 7, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • Akira

      What is your point?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • End Religion

      ugg, why post that horror show?

      January 7, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
    • End Religion

      oh, i see you're on the warpath.... *sigh*

      January 7, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
  8. >:-o


    http://www.amazon.com/Kin sey-Crimes-Consequences-Queen-Scheme/dp/0966662407

    January 7, 2013 at 11:01 am |
  9. >:-o

    http://wthrockmorton.com/2009/06/05/a-major-study-of-child-abuse-and-hom ose xuality-revisited/

    extra spaces added to get by the filter

    January 7, 2013 at 10:45 am |
  10. Origin of Life

    Origin of Life

    Hypothesis Traces First Protocells Back to Emergence of Cell Membrane Bioenergetics
    Dec. 20, 2012 — A coherent pathway – which starts from no more than rocks, water and carbon dioxide and leads to the emergence of the strange bio-energetic properties of living cells – has been traced for the first time in a major hypothesis paper in Cell this week.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:35 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Origin of Life,

      Cellular cosmologies need a starting point from which to venture forth from the atomized realms of any celestial configuration we call as being planetary objects making capable variable physical undulations for cellular cosmologic culminations to be made first manifestations of living organics of the celled bio-logistical orders.

      January 7, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
  11. >:-o

    Hebophilia is when an 11-14 year old learns how to do it with a man.
    Ephebophilia is for teaching those hot 15-19 year olds how to avoid real work by being Grandpa's boy toy. Hey! They're all born that way so it's just a matter of time.

    January 7, 2013 at 10:06 am |
    • Akira

      What is wrong with you??
      You're not funny, and you completely dismiss the pain abused kids have endured.
      I suggest you get help; you appear to be a disturbed individual.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:29 am |
    • >:-o


      January 7, 2013 at 10:49 am |
    • Akira

      You belong to Westboro Baptist Church!
      Why didn't you just say so in the first place?

      January 7, 2013 at 11:50 am |
  12. >:-o


    January 7, 2013 at 9:47 am |
  13. >:-o

    Hmmmm If you use yr middle finger on a girl it's 3rd base. If you use it on a boy it's retrieving yr pet gerbil.

    January 7, 2013 at 9:39 am |
  14. >:-o

    No, that's not what they call it. If anything, I suppose you'd have to list it in the catalog as LGBT 101, Intro to man on man positions (Free membership in NAMBLA included).

    January 7, 2013 at 9:25 am |
    • Akira

      Cal it what it is: pedophilia; do not tarnish the LGBT community because churches cannot control their clergy.

      January 7, 2013 at 9:39 am |
    • William Demuth


      A question: If it was simple pedo behavior, logic would say more girls than boys would be molested by priests

      Statistics show a distinct preference for same gender molestations. Hugely so.

      Why??? If what you say is true (I don't really know) then priests would be hetro men harming girls.

      They arent't. If all other factors are equal, and orientation is irrelevant, why are boys the primary victims?

      January 7, 2013 at 9:46 am |
    • Akira

      In the past, more boys were molested in churches because girls were not allowed to be alter boys.
      Girls are now able to be alter girls, and the number has risen for priest/female abuse...and pedophilia is largely a crime of opportunity, not gender preference.
      I get what your trying to drive at, but research shows that most pedophiles ARE hetero.
      I guess I should rephrase my statement to be pedophilic/pederast priests; and that STILL has nothing to do with the LGBT community, no matter what one tries to insinuate, >:-o .

      January 7, 2013 at 10:13 am |
    • >:-o

      yeah. right.

      http://www.theppsc.org/Archives/S ex-Crimes/Pedophilia_More_Common_Among_Gays.htm

      Child molestation and pedo philia occur far more commonly among hom ose xuals than among heterose xuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • End Religion

      from your link...
      'Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has been diagnosing and treating clergy abuse for 28 years, told Salon.com, "There are far more heterosexual cases than homosexual."'

      January 7, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
  15. William Demuth

    Has anyone else in here sensed a pattern?

    Atheists posting to this blog often seem intellectually arrogant (myself included), but the core of the believers side frequently seem mentally ill.

    While we do have some believers who seem otherwise well adjusted, this blog does seem to attract theists who are basically madmen disguising themselves as someone who believes in Christ, but is otherwise relatively normal.

    Furthermore, the Christ groupies also seem to have a disproportionate percentage of the “black helicopter” types, who are quite paranoid .

    I am curious: Do you believers who are rational get frustrated by the madmen within your community?

    Do you see the crazies as clearly as we do?

    January 7, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • Ex-Christian

      William, that's because all of the "smart" and "rational" believers (who were indoctrinated as children for the most part) eventually discover all of the fallacies of ALL religions and free themselves from it by becoming atheists/agnostics (this is my case at least). The "mentally ill" believers simply cannot grasp the concept of thinking for themselves nor do they want to believe that after death, there really isn't anything at all (for the dead person at least). So to answer your question: the smart ones leave and the stupid ones stay.

      January 7, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • Topher

      Well, I guess that depends on whether you consider me one of the "madmen" or not. 😉

      January 7, 2013 at 11:50 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Ex-Christian, "discover all of the fallacies of ALL religions and free themselves from it by becoming atheists/agnostics"

      Not leaving anything up to chance are we in declaring "all of the fallacies of ALL religions"? One more rock removed from the rock quarry!

      January 7, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
  16. We left the cave long ago

    No need for it (bible) anymore. Do we want to go back to this time ?
    One of the most difficult things to comprehend about this story is the degree to which slavery was an accepted part of American life. It was sanctioned in the Bible, certainly all over the place in the Old Testament, so slaveholders used that as justification.

    January 7, 2013 at 8:48 am |
    • Topher

      We left the cave long ago

      "No need for it (bible) anymore. Do we want to go back to this time ?"

      Which time?

      " It was sanctioned in the Bible, certainly all over the place in the Old Testament, ..."

      Let's be careful here. Yes, the OT sanctioned slavery, but don't make the mistake that it was the racial slavery like we had here in the states. Slavery in the Bible was usually either an agreed-upon way to pay off a debt (in fact, this was such a good deal for the slaves since they were given food and shelter, the slaves often stayed on after the debt was paid off) or it was used on enemy combatants, much like Gitmo today.

      "so slaveholders used that as justification."

      That doesn't mean that God was OK with what they were doing. They were wrong. It doesn't prove God false or the Bible wrong. It just means fallible man was trying to justify themselves. That's all.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • Origin of Life


      January 7, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • End Religion

      Topher up to his tricks, shaving away at the truth. Tell us again what an awesome deal slavery is for the slaves. Here is some of the wonderfulness found in the NT, Ephesians 6

      "5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. 6 Try to please them all the time, not just when they are watching you. As slaves of Christ, do the will of God with all your heart. 7 Work with enthusiasm, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people. 8 Remember that the Lord will reward each one of us for the good we do, whether we are slaves or free.

      9 Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don’t threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and he has no favorites."

      If it is such a great deal, Topher, come on over. I could use a man servant. Especially if you treat me with "deep respect and fear" the way your awesome god instructs.

      January 7, 2013 at 9:20 pm |
  17. truth be told

    When reading anything from a so called atheist it is important for all morally decent people to realize that if it is from an "atheist" it is a lie.

    January 7, 2013 at 7:35 am |
    • ??????????

      TBTHow old is the planet earth ???

      January 7, 2013 at 7:48 am |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by 'truth be told' is an instance of the circumstantial ad hominem fallacy.


      January 7, 2013 at 8:02 am |
    • K-switch

      I am an atheist. I am going to say, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

      Therefore, by TBT's logic, either the statement is false or TBT is a liar.

      January 7, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • Wendy

      Well switched and well said, K.

      January 7, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • truth be told

      Comments reflect more lies than anticipated including the fool that premised its Holy Bible quote with its first lie that it was an "atheist" negating the quote and adding proof to my statement. A liar can post a Truth but since that same liar ridicules that Truth it becomes the opposite to the liar.

      January 7, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • Really??

      TBT is a liar and a troll...ignore him. He just makes rediculous statements to falsely engage people.

      January 7, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Morally decent people wouldn't touch you with a ten-foot pole, TBT.

      January 7, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • .

      other handles this troll uses.

      "Ronald Regonzo" who degenerates to:
      "truth be told" degenerates to:
      "The Truth" degenerates to:
      "Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
      "Dodney Rangerfield" degenerates to:
      "tina" degenerates to:
      "captain america" degenerates to:
      "Atheist Hunter" degenerates to:
      "just sayin" degenerates to:
      "Chad" degenerates to
      "Thinker23" degenerates to
      "Bob" degenerates to
      "nope" degenerates to:
      "2357" degenerates to:
      "WOW" degenerates to:
      "fred" degenerates to:
      "!" degenerates to:
      "pervert alert"

      This troll is not a christian..

      January 7, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
  18. PeterVN

    Like the great blog quote says,

    "Religion is for the ignorant, the gullible, the stupid, and the cowardly, and for those who would profit from them."

    Here's to less religion in 2013.

    January 7, 2013 at 7:03 am |
  19. abc

    For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man's obedience many will be made righteous.

    January 7, 2013 at 5:46 am |
    • William Demuth

      What do we get for ones middle fingered salute?

      January 7, 2013 at 9:30 am |
  20. i

    God is love.

    January 7, 2013 at 4:44 am |
    • Portland tony

      If God is love, then all those atrocities that appear in the Bible are just parables?

      January 7, 2013 at 8:37 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      God's foremost characteristic is jealousy, not love.
      It says so right in the first commandment.

      January 7, 2013 at 8:40 am |
    • William Demuth

      Is that what you call what they do to the altar boys?


      January 7, 2013 at 8:51 am |
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