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January 8th, 2013
03:47 PM ET
Giglio: Jesus was the original abolitionist(CNN)–Pastor Louie Giglio sits down with CNN's Michael Holmes to discuss the Passion Movement's campaign against slavery. Read more about Giglio being picked to deliver the benediction at the presidential inauguration.
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But the teaching is falling on deaf ears. The athiest regulars here are not simple obtuse because they are slow, they WORK at remaining ignorant & reject all attempts @ enlightment. Don't get disappointed... they will now come out & howl like deamons splashed with holy water in the light of day by a crucifix weilding priest.
Is that what priests call it now..."holy water"?
Suuuure, 'holy water'. "Open wide and take this communion, boy."
Suddenly we're vampires...
Can I be a werewolf instead of a vampire?
biffy, sure, why not? We've already got Jeebus the Zombie, demons and vampires. What's a little excess hair between friends?
A free person is still a slave to their nation's social conditionings. Any further thoughts will be considered.
Self-negating assertion.
"Not an easy thing to live in fear, is it? That's what it means to be a slave"
-Roy, Nexus 6
Great movie!
followers of hindu fabricated Jesus were so much in following of their hindu racist master hindu fabricated self centered, secular man god, they all way's studded a slave black woman after reaching puberty with a unknown strong black slave to have a strong slave child just like their stock of cow's and horses. Yesterday's hindu's criminal's, no different than snake changing his skin.
Is your religion making you demented and deluded? you can't keep your wife, your children desert you at old age, is your religion really helping you? you are completely deluded and a sad and lonely man.
why did i rule out you could be muslim? Christians can atleast be reasoned with but rarely met a sensible muslim.
No one is responsible for mayhem among humanity, but hindu's denier of truth absolute and preacher of hinduism, racism among humanity, rest of your post is sign of your hinduism, ignorance, just like a hindu sanatan, filthy goon high on hem, bhung spewing his hinduism, absurdities to hind fool humanity.
Hindu's are not so bad, You don't really hear about Hindu's messing with anyone unless you mess with them and the only people who mess with Hindu's are Muslims.
Islam is the most evil out of all the major religions it proves this everyday since it was invented by an illiterate pedophile warlord who plagiarized the 3 major religions of the area in order to control the population of the territories won by force
Jesus' only comments on slavery was that slaves should do their work extra well and be very obedient to their owners (Ephesians 6:5,1 Timothy 6:1-2). That is all he said, and that doesn't sound terribly abolitionist to me.
Those quotes are not attributed to Jesus. They were written by followers of him.
@a christian,
please feel free to quote Gospel passages where Jesus advocates the eradication of slavery in Judea.
@ a xtian,
Funny how your fundies use every quote from the babble that fits your arguement as the truth straight from the burning bush, but when a passage comes up to condratict you then it suddenly is not valid.
Which is it, the babble is infallible and everything in it is sacred and to be believed, or is it all just allagory attributed to someone who came later?
SO then Jesus said nothing at all about slavery, and it was so commonly accepted amongst his followers that slavery was acceptable that those passages made it into the Bible?
I'm not seeing Jesus's role as any kind of force against slavery.
"Love others as you love yourself" = no slavery
@a christian,
'Love your neighbor as yourself.' ... means a lot of different things.
Don't you think he could have been a bit more specific to earn the t!tle of abolitionist?
Yes. I don't give him the ti..tle of "Original Abolitionist"
I've actually never heard that for him before.
Jebus didn't write St.Paul's letters.
Thomas Jefferson loooooved his slaves a lot.
Slavery still exists. Possibly 27 million people. Wow.
While it may be true, I am skeptical about this number. Where does it come from?
Wihile 27m is a large number and grotesquely unacceptable, 27m represents <0.4% of the world population of 7 billion. (~386 per 100,000).
Relatively, this is a smaller percentage than the per capita US prison population – 743 per 100,000.
Which issue needs to be addressed first. Global slavery or the world's highest incarceration rate?
Jesus was the original abolitionist? How, will someone care to explain?
By calling children of human dog's, hindu, racist, below humanity.
Whatever.
The founder of Paulianity, (the religion Christians say they practice), told slaves, "in all things, be obedient to your masters". (Colossians 3:22).
The (so-called) "inerrant Word" puts the lie to this fool.
Unpossible!!! God, JC's other self, Fedexed the Chosen People to bondage any time He didn't get enough love.
Yeah. He kept making " a New Covenant", not knowing that "he" would be disappointed ince again, and then get all po'd. All this (mind you) by a god who exists in a timeless environment, (and of course is "omniscient"). Ooopsy.
No.
No.
NO!!!
No he was not.
He was not even an abolitionist.
Why do you Jesus people insist on lying constantly???
STOP LYING.
Your religion is an idiotic, revolting, ridiculous joke.
GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No.
No.
NO!!!
No he was not.
He was not even an abolitionist.
Why do you Jesus people insist on lying constantly???
STOP LYING.
Your religion is an idiotic, revolting, ridiculous joke.
GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No.
No.
NO!!!
No he was not.
He was not even an abolitionist.
Why do you Jesus people insist on lying constantly???
STOP LYING.
Your religion is an idiotic, revolting, ridiculous joke.
GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No.
No.
NO!!!
No he was not.
He was not even an abolitionist.
Why do you Jesus people insist on lying constantly???
STOP LYING.
Your religion is an idiotic, revolting, ridiculous joke.
GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus also didn't speak on abortion or ho.mose.xuals, but people still seem to think he did.
Personally, I think Jesus' larger message (of love for all people) sort of implies that slavery is a bad idea. Jesus often spoke in larger ideas, not specifics. That could be partly backlash against the Pharisees and Sadducees who were so overenc.umbered with specific rules, regulations, and minutae.
I think if people lived by the Message Jesus spoke, they'd be obligated to acknowledge the evil of slavery.
I make no argument with this statement:
"I think if people lived by the Message Jesus spoke, they'd be obligated to acknowledge the evil of slavery."
But Jesus was categorically *not* a abolitionist. All definitions require that advocacy is essential and Jesus demonstrably does not advocate the abolition of slavery in any text.
From the online OED:
abolitionist, n. and adj.
A. n.
1. spec.
a. Chiefly U.S. Hist. A person who advocates the abolition of the slave trade and the emancipation of African slaves.
b. A person who advocates the abolition of capital punishment.
2. gen. A person who advocates or works for the abolition of a particular practice or inst!tution.
B. adj.
Of or relating to abolitionists or abolitionism; advocating the abolition of a particular practice or inst!tution, esp. the slave trade, slavery, or (in later use) capital punishment.
I know I take a stand against slavery. My church definitely does and gives an avenue of healing for those who have suffered from slavery.
My heart goes to those who are still suffering.
I don't like the t.itle "original abolitionist". It kind of suggests nobody took a stand before him, which is not true at all. But I do believe Jesus was against slavery.
and these.....
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
Indentured servants, or slaves, usually owed a deb to someone. They could pay it off by becoming a slave. In Jewish law, Jews could indenture themselves as servants to another for a period of 7 years. That is as close to the slavery that Jews practiced.
Also, Jesus was descended from slaves on his mom's side.
These letters were written to actual slaves. Jesus taught that we need to love our enemy. That means a slave has to love his master.
When i think of abolitionist,I think of a person taking a hardline stand against slavery...outright condemning it...
Not telling them to work harder...be the best slave you can be. Slavery in ANY for is vile and disgusting and that includes Indentured servatude....
What about people who commit a crime and are forced to do community service? They are enslaved, basically. Maybe that message is for somebody in that kind of situation.
If you were an indentured servant you either committed a crime or had a debt you could not pay. And Jewish laws were very forgiving. After 7 years you were basically set free.
Other civilizations were not that forgiving. They captured and sold humans as slaves.
Jesus spoke as slaves as being equal to the master.
If God (and Jesus is part of God) promoted slavery, then why are slave traders lumped in the same category as adulte.rers, pe.r.verts and liars (1Tim 1:10)? Did you know that people, in order to pay their debts at the time, often voluntarily sold themselves into slavery at the time the Bible was written? A person with certain skills could use them in servitude, and they'd much rather have done that than be in debt. Even a convicted theif could make resti-tution by serving as a slave (Exodus 22:3) It was an economic issue at the time the Bible was written. It wasn't something that Jesus promoted. I can see where you'd think that when you take a verse out of context though.
Gen 1:27, Acts 17:26-28 and Galatians 3:28 will tell you that all people are created by God with inate equality.
The real Bible says "servants", not slaves.
That illustrates why I have a problem with new versions....they change things and it makes a huge difference in the meaning.
Care to try again?
you re kind of stretching a bit there arent you? 2000 years ago slavery wasnt a 'community service' sentence.... more often than not the life of a slave was brutal, nasty and violent....once a slave you were worked to death.
as for loving your master....If somebody takes you from your home and puts you in chains.... forget love.... take the master out as quickly as possible... better to die on your freet than live on your knees!
I guess i should not be too suprised to have Believers (clergy?) defending the Bible....
yes im aware that people indentured themselves- but what choice did they have? .....its just a fancy word for slavery
There is no excuse for it ...not then and to defend even the words from a book is just plain wrong.
Oh, for goodness sake!
What is the "real" Bible?
Can one possibly see why the Bible is open to interpretation, seeing as it has many versions, and many translations?
Can one see where there may be a problem with this??
> Indentured servants, or slaves, usually owed a debt to someone.
There were two types of slaves listed in the bible. Those who were jewish and had to be released (although with some loopholes for the masters to exploit) and slaves who were not jewish and who didn't have to be released.
> They could pay it off by becoming a slave. In Jewish law, Jews could indenture themselves as servants to another for a period of 7 years. That is as close to the slavery that Jews practiced.
You're simply wrong. What about the passage that permits you to beat them. Perhaps you should re-read the book of law.
> Also, Jesus was descended from slaves on his mom's side.
So what?
> If God (and Jesus is part of God) promoted slavery, then why are slave traders lumped in the same category as adulte.rers, pe.r.verts and liars (1Tim 1:10)?
So, your position is that God didn't promote slavery. So was Moses lying when he said that God told him about the 10 commandments and the other laws in the book of law?
Welcome to contradicitonville. Population: You.
Jesus was the original abolitionist? really?
what about this?: The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
and theres more in the new testament...was the first one that i came across.
> Seriously?
"prayer isn't about getting what you want. It's about trusting in God, even when his answer is 'no.'"
Yes, what he or she said!
Well last week Jesus was dirty and sometimes sick. Now he was an abolitionist. So again as a matter of completeness:
Jesus was an abolitionist, illiterate, dirty, sometimes sick, Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from the dirty, sometimes sick P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the dirty Messiah/abolitionist from muddy Nazareth to a mythical clean character from mythical clean Nazareth to a dirty ma-mzer/abolitionist from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ unclean life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% or less of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various dirty, sometimes sick, slave-owning Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.
Forget he had the runs too.
shame less hindu's lairs Christians have no limit, By book of hindu Mithra ism, racist savior ism, Bible, a gentile slave lady asked hindu fabrication Jesus to heal her children, instead of healing children, he said, I can not give food of children of Israel to the dog's, one has to be hindu filthy dog to call human dog's, hinduism, fabrication is not a abolitionist god, but hindu filthy dog of hinduism, racism.
I'm thinking you don't like Hindu's to much and English is not your native language
Also, I'm not a fan of these video re-post articles.
I am not, either.
Not at all.
@ME II
I wonder if the Belief Blog Editing team is now a bit short-staffed after Dan Gilgoff left?
There's a couple of recycled stories today – video, audio, etc.
I expect this additional story on Louis Giglio was added because he will speak at the upcoming Presidential inauguration.
See:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/08/giglio-and-evers-williams-selected-to-pray-at-the-inauguration/
Plus, it's an Atlanta thing. No doubt they're proud of their local boy.
Seems like everytime I come here there is another article about jeebus being the original something or another.
Too bad his followers can't seem to follow any of those original things.
As they say, "jeebus, save me from your followers...."
I applaud their goal, but why bring Jesus into it?
And why claim Jesus as the original abolitionists? Didn't he advocate being a 'good' servant to your master? or was that just Paul?
Sorry preacher, can you point me to the verse where Jesus becomes the original abolitionist? I can't seem to locate it in my Bible.
Pray without ceasing in 2013
Prayer changes things
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
What if I don't want things changed?
Pray without ceasing? When do I get to sleep?
@Jesus – First, why are you on a "Belief" blog if you don't believe? Second of all – prayer isn't about getting what you want. It's about trusting in God, even when his answer is "no."
@Seriously?
Jesus is here for the same reasons you are, its his "belief" that there is no god
His beliefs are fact based, I'm sure yours is based on faith , And we all know the definition of the word faith
Faith: " Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence."
to blindly follow a book wrote by who knows who hundreds of years ago is more then foolhardy