Survey: Few religious groups want Roe v. Wade overturned despite belief abortion morally wrong
Roe v. Wade has remained controversial in the four decades since the landmark Supreme Court decision.
January 16th, 2013
10:00 AM ET

Survey: Few religious groups want Roe v. Wade overturned despite belief abortion morally wrong

By Dan Merica, CNN
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Washington (CNN) - Forty years after the Supreme Court protected abortion rights in Roe v. Wade, a new survey finds that white evangelicals remain the only major religious group that supports overturning the landmark ruling, even though most such groups find abortion morally wrong.

Slightly more than half (54%) of white evangelicals, according to the Pew Research Center study, favor completely overturning the 1973 Supreme Court decision that affirmed a woman’s right to have an abortion. No other religious group, including white mainline Protestants, black Protestants and white Catholics, agreed with completely overturning the ruling.

In fact, substantial majorities of white Protestants (76%), black Protestants (65%) and white Catholics (63%) say the ruling should not be over turned, the survey found.

But support for keeping Roe v. Wade intact does not mean these religious majorities believe abortion is morally acceptable.

A majority of every religious group sampled - white evangelicals (73%), black Protestants (58%) and Catholics (58%) and a plurality of white mainline Protestants (36%) - responded that abortion was morally wrong. Those respondents who find it morally wrong are also overwhelmingly likely to support overturning the law, compared with keeping it intact - 85% to 5%.

"What is interesting about this aspect of abortion attitudes is that while many people find abortion to be problematic, they may either personally feel it is wrong or favor greater restrictions. Overturning Roe v. Wade is not nearly as supported an idea," said Michael Dimock, director at the Pew Research Center. "The vast majority of evangelicals say they see abortion as morally wrong, but barely a majority say that they want to see Roe v. Wade overturned."

Dimock points out that while more than 70% of white evangelicals find abortion morally wrong, only slightly more than 50% say the ruling should be overturned. "There is somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% of evangelicals who are personally opposed to abortion but don’t want to see this precedent changed," Dimock said.

The religiously unaffiliated were the only group in which more people say they find abortion morally acceptable rather than wrong. Twenty-four percent of the group said it was acceptable, compared with 20% who said it was wrong. Nearly half (43%) said it was not a moral issue.

White evangelicals (64%) are also the most ardent that abortion should be illegal in “all or most cases.” Mormons (63%) and Hispanic Catholics (53%) are the only other two religious groups where more respondents favor illegality in all or most cases.

“By contrast, nearly nine in 10 Jews say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, as do about seven in 10 Americans with no religious affiliation and 63% of white mainline Protestants,” the survey reported. “Among both black Protestants and white Catholics, 54% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases.”

The establishment of a woman’s constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy has been controversial in the four decades since the Supreme Court decision. The court’s ruling was not close, however. Seven of the nine justices voted in favor of making abortion a fundamental right under the Constitution.

Anti-abortion rights activists have demanded the ruling be repealed, a move that would likely allow states to decide whether to allow abortions or not. With the judiciary becoming more conservative during George W. Bush's presidency, some observers said the court under Chief Justice John Roberts would be anti-abortion activists best opportunity to relitigate Roe v. Wade.

"Roe v. Wade certainly did engage the pro-life movement by being so symbolic of an issue, but I don’t think the level of opposition to abortion has really shifted that much over time," Dimock said. "For a very contentious ruling, the public's view on it has remained fairly stable."

Frequency of religious services attendance is also an indicator of whether a poll respondent wants Roe v. Wade overturned. According to the survey, people who attend weekly or more support overturning the decision by 55% to 44%.

That number is substantially different among respondents who attend church less often. According to the survey, 76% among those don't support overturning the ruling, compared with 17% who do.

The Pew Research Center results are part of a study released with the 40-year anniversary of Roe v. Wade in mind. The telephone survey of 1,502 adults was conducted from January 9 through Sunday, with a margin of error of plus or minus 2.9%.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Abortion • Belief

soundoff (887 Responses)
  1. Rebel4Christ

    Abortion is flat out murder and that's it!

    January 17, 2013 at 8:19 am |
    • SImran

      Please provide evidence for your claim.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:24 am |
    • midwest rail

      Please delineate all substantive action taken by supposedly pro-life candidates in the last 40 years to overturn Roe v Wade.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • sam stone

      Rebel4Christ: Go to any police station in the country and report an abortion as murder and see how far that gets you.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:28 am |
    • Primewonk

      So how come you nutters haven't arrested, tried, convicted, and executed all these women? What are you waiting for?

      By the way, the average cost of a capital murder case is $2,300,000. And there were a million abortions last year. So you nutters need to pony up 2.3 TRILLION dollars just for last years trials. Do you anticipate any difficulties coming up with the money?

      And from 2000 to 2006 you nutters had the perfect storm. You owned the White House, Sense, House, and Supreme Court. Six years. And nothing happened. Do you think you can figure out why?

      January 17, 2013 at 8:29 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being (with several qualifications). Abortion doesn't even get started as definable as murder.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:34 am |
    • Saraswati

      I think a lot of trouble would be saved if all these folks took just a basic college linguistics course to understand where language comes from.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:35 am |
    • tallulah13

      We have over half a million children in foster care in this country. Most of them will never be adopted. Many of them will end up with unwanted children of their own. Some of them will end up in prison. Some of them will be abused, and some of them will be murdered by the very people charged to protect them.

      So why are christians more interested in clumps of cells that cannot feel or think? Why do they insist on adding to the problem? Imagine how much suffering could be averted if christians crusaded for the living children instead of fighting to limit the reproductive rights of women.

      January 17, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • chirstian opinion is counting for less and less all the time

      According to you; but, fortunately your opinion doesn’t count for anything when contrary to rulings from the US courts

      January 17, 2013 at 3:49 pm |
    • Rebel4Christ

      Simran you kidding me? How on earth is it not! Your kill and an INNOCENT human being that didn't deserve to die. I guarantee if the baby had a say they wouldn't want to be aborted. Go to any police station really?!! Oh if the police say its okay it must be okay!

      January 17, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • psych ward staff

      It's not murder and it's not like they run over them with a steam-roller. Stop exaggerating.

      January 17, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Todd

      "our kill and an INNOCENT human being that didn't deserve to die. I guarantee if the baby had a say they wouldn't want to be aborted."

      Your god killed innocent children several times in the bible, so you should be fine with it.

      January 17, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
  2. Douglas

    Good News!

    Orthodox Christianity, Islam and Judaism are firewalled against gay marriage
    and acceptance of gay coitus.

    These faiths form a morality firewall against the siege of sin sweeping acroos the nation like prairie fire.

    Thank you Orthodox Christians, Jews and Moslems for remaining steadfast agaisnt sin.

    January 17, 2013 at 8:00 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Obvious troll is obvious.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:02 am |
    • Saraswati

      This is why we need psych coverage. No one is going to seek treatment for something like this kind of BPD if they have to pay for it. This is, however, the kind of behavior coworkers and friends can easily become aware of, and if affordable, there are ways to treat it.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:11 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Good News?

      Fellow Ozians...
      FOR YOU AND–

      January 17, 2013 at 8:17 am |
    • sam stone

      Doogie: Since you are obviously a troll, I will keep this short. Go fvck yourself

      January 17, 2013 at 8:45 am |
  3. End Religion

    Christians are pooping in their pants. Abortion is legal. Gays are marrying. The explosion of the MMA sport means gladiatorial games are back in style. Silly Christians, Trix are for kids!

    January 17, 2013 at 7:14 am |
    • sam stone

      Amusing, ain't it?

      January 17, 2013 at 7:51 am |
  4. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog and who are interested in the deta-ils:-->>>

    The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnostic guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

    Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

    The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (9 % actual failure rate) and male con-dom (18% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html, published in 2012 (e.g. See the table listed as

    "First-Year Contraceptive Failure Rates

    Proportion of women who will become pregnant during their first year of use, by method"

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    Consumer Reports, January, 2012

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

    Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

    The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

    – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
    – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

    Followed by:

    One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
    Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
    The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
    Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
    IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

    Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

    January 17, 2013 at 6:55 am |
  5. Population control

    Personally I'd rather see human population control completed by way of increasing gay marriage and allowing for euthenasia over promoting abortion. It seems like a more "kind" way to go.

    January 17, 2013 at 5:58 am |
    • sam stone

      There is an entertaining book called "Boomsday", by Christopher Buckley that deals with a proposal to provide cash incentives for seniors to commit suicide

      January 17, 2013 at 6:14 am |
    • Saraswati

      There aren't enough people who really need euthanasia for it to make much of a dent in the population overall, especially among those who are likely to bear children. The main way to reduce population is to delay age at first birth and limit births per woman, ideally by providing incentives.

      January 17, 2013 at 7:04 am |
    • End Religion

      We'll take Canada or Mexico when we need more room. Wars for resources won't go away whether we have religion or not. But eventually birth licensing/laws is probably the only way to get humans to slow down.

      January 17, 2013 at 7:18 am |
  6. Some questions for you

    Which statement would you prefer.

    1.) Jane does not support abortion because the Lord told her it was a sin.

    2.) Jane, who is an agnostic does not support abortion because she feels it is morally wrong and it is her personal choice not to support abortion?

    Is one statement better than the other if the end result is the same?

    January 17, 2013 at 5:17 am |
    • Marlon

      The age old question emerges, where did Jane get her morals from?

      January 17, 2013 at 7:21 am |
    • sam stone

      Marlon: From being a person living in society. Society develops "morality" as a way of dealing with each other. No book necessary

      January 17, 2013 at 7:53 am |
    • Primewonk

      You forgot this one –

      3. Jane has decided she will not have an abortion. Jane also recognizes that her country is not a theocracy, and that not everyone shares her religious beliefs. Jane understands that all women have the right what to do with their bodies.

      January 17, 2013 at 8:37 am |
    • SImran

      The more appropriate and realistic scenario –
      4) Jane is a 15 yrs old, still not out of high school. She had an affair and got pregnant. She belongs to a lower income class, her family already has to support her 5 brothers and sisters and her, and has only one earning member, who has a hard time keeping his job bcoz he has a drinking problem. Her mother picks up an odd job once in a while. Jane and her mother decide she should have an abortion and continue her education, find a good job and have a better life. (Now a scenario if abortions are made illegal – she cannot find a doctor to help her terminate the pregnancy. So she goes to a quack who botches it all.... and Jane dies!)

      January 17, 2013 at 8:51 am |
  7. And now for the bad news . . .

    After an exhaustive search, the happiest, nicest conservative in America has been found. He's the guy in the picture holding the sign. The rest are not as nice.

    January 17, 2013 at 3:43 am |
    • Zingo!

      Remember when they used to claim that conservatives were happier than liberals? Funny how they don't say that any more.

      January 17, 2013 at 3:46 am |
  8. Bob

    Jesus is Satan's son. You follow the false religion of the devil.

    January 17, 2013 at 3:09 am |
    • Ginger Grant

      If you consider how God behaves, what his laws are and what he is going to do to the human race, what he judges on and what he doesn't, there really is no other conclusions that if there is a Satan, then the entire Abrahamic religion thing was his work.

      Good thing it's all bullsh!t.

      January 17, 2013 at 3:41 am |
    • Bob

      I wish things were as simple as god-devil, heaven-hell, but just because you wish it, doesn't make it reality. We are born in a godless universe, children of chemistry and mathematics. Our purpose is the same as the wind and the rain. Once our time is up, we rejoin the void that game birth to us. Our only hope of existing once more, that the universe is cyclical.

      January 17, 2013 at 3:53 am |
    • Zingo!

      I am perfectly happy with the concept that this is all I get, and it just stops when I die. Wanting more is just greed and delusions of grandeur.

      January 17, 2013 at 3:57 am |
  9. Bootyfunk

    that guy holding the sign in the picture used to go door to door with his message. here's some footage:


    January 17, 2013 at 12:56 am |
  10. John


    Your quote: "God" and "Him" are elements of mythology.

    You really believe that this is some discussion about mythology. Sorry but I have no further desire to continue this discussion.

    January 17, 2013 at 12:21 am |
    • Observer


      If you are the same "John" from the earlier conversation, leaving now might offer you time to reread the Bible you didn't know after all.

      January 17, 2013 at 12:29 am |
    • hal 9001

      Perhaps you intended this to be a reply, "John" to my reply to "John" at: January 17, 2013 at 12:05 am. If this is true, "John", then please note that in addition to your incorrect assertions, you have incorrectly assumed that I, "hal 9001" am the same entity as "Observer".

      January 17, 2013 at 12:30 am |
  11. jasmine

    @Russ, that they all died for their beliefs is a myth. Even if they did die for their beliefs, it would be no proof that what they died for was true. As you know, many people die for dubious beliefs.

    The gospels were written at least fifty years after the death of Jesus. The followers of Jesus lived in an illiterate world with no tape recorders, cameras, etc. They had their memories, and the stories they told would have evolved over time. Remember how unreliable eyewitness testimony is at the best of times. This was not the "best of times." The gospel writers also had reason to deliberately skew the story, as they wanted converts. The result is four contradictory gospels that offer such an unclear man/god hybrid that Christianity experienced something like 1500 years of heretical strife disagreeing about Jesus' nature.

    Paul is fairly early, but he never met Jesus physically, and what he meant by the resurrection is far from clear.

    Aside from the New Testament, there is no Roman/non-Christian Jewish mention of Jesus. That means there is no support from any side but the Christian side, and the Christian side is compromised by its need to evangelize.

    January 17, 2013 at 12:08 am |
  12. Reality

    The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (9% actual failure rate) and male condom (18% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

    January 16, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • George of the Jungle

      You finally learned how to say that in less than 5,000 words. Good for you! Someone might actually read it now.

      January 16, 2013 at 11:01 pm |

    • People just need to realize that mucus membranes are icky and stop rogering each other.

      January 16, 2013 at 11:01 pm |
    • Gir

      If it ever came out that injecting liquified poop into your veins induced pleasurable feelings, people would start doing it en masse. No amount of information about mucous membranes is ever going to get people to stop doing indiscriminately that which they find pleasurable.

      January 16, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
  13. donner

    Ask any politician in private and they will tell you that they could care less about abortion. Then why all the attention?? Because it's a great way to raise money from the kooks. You have to be funded by gullible dupes, and who better than those who talk to an imaginary voice in their head?

    January 16, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
    • Saraswati

      I knew a politician who supported stricter gun control and the right to choose on abortion. On his first run for office his team surveyed the voters and found they'd have to be either pro-gun or anti-abortion to get elected. The alternative was leaving the race to be won by a right-winger who was both. This guy chose to run pro-gun...but presumably a lot of politicians choose the alternative. A politician generally does what he or she feels they have to do. At least if they want to get elected.

      January 16, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
    • kirk1

      sara, you just made that up, didn't you.

      January 16, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @kirk1, no I did not. But it was not a big name. I suspect, however, that his case was typical.

      January 17, 2013 at 1:50 am |
  14. Time to face the music

    Admit it. You've already lost. Abortion is legal and here to stay. Gays are being accepted into main stream America and into main stream American churches. America has passed you by and is moving forward into a bright future that you have no place in. And since "everything is a part of god's plan" he obviously approves

    January 16, 2013 at 9:03 pm |

      Lost? Ha! We'll incorporate h0m0-s-exuality and abortion into our doctrines, claim the Bible was in agreement with them all along, and be back in business, just as we've done with every civil right we initially campaigned against and now claim to have championed. You won't be rid of us soon, you filthy atheists!

      January 16, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
    • niknak

      Yeah we will demented christian.
      The demographics are going against you.
      You are not having enough chirldren, and the ones you are having are moving away from the rural areas and the backward relgious mindset as fast as they can.
      You will die off, and your religion will be replaced by something else. Just like every other religion has since man started making god(s) up.

      Enjoy your long slide into oblivion.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
    • Jen

      Ha ha devoted Christian. So true!

      January 16, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
    • psych ward staff

      lmao @DEVOTED

      January 16, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • Poe Spotting Time

      It looks like only jen spotted the Poe. She wins

      Runners up will receive the home game of The Belief Blog, complete with Chadwhacker stick and antinausea pills for reading LionlyLambs putrescence.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:52 pm |
    • kirk1

      Poe Spotting Time is a Poe.

      Do I win a kookie now?

      January 16, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
    • not a kirk

      kirk1 is a Poe.

      January 16, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
  15. niknak

    Look at that guy's face.
    He looks like he would have no problem walking into an abortion clinic and shooting as many people as he could.

    I am not scared of much. But you fundies do scare me.
    That is why I don't travel much outside of major metropolitian areas, and never go to the deep south, which is a shame because it is really beautiful countryside down there.
    You fundies here are no different then the fundies over in the middle east yelling allah akbar while blowing up everything.
    The further I am away from all of you religious whackos the better.

    January 16, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • Observer

      "I don't travel much outside of major metropolitian areas, and never go to the deep south, which is a shame because it is really beautiful countryside down there"

      Take the blindfold off and see our nation. You can learn a LOT.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
    • niknak

      I have traveled extensively, here and abroad.
      Of all the places I have been, I have only had problems in the South East of the US.
      And I have been to some really bad third world places, with no issues.
      I won't go willingly to the South again.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • Observer


      "I don't travel much outside of major metropolitian areas, and never go to the deep south"

      Trust me. You haven't seen America and have a lot to learn. Go to our great national parks. Read about unusual places in Roadside America. There is an incredible amount of fascinating sights in our nation and your self-imposed handicap severely limits what you can learn.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:48 pm |
    • Bill

      @nik, are you Chinese origin?

      January 16, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
    • niknak

      I have, and yes there are sme interesting things in some of those places you mentioned.
      But if anything I have not seen is in the South, I ain't going.
      Have had way too many issues down there.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • niknak

      They must have upgraded the filter on this board because I can't post anything. And I don't use any bad language.

      No dollarbill, I am a garden variety h_onkie.
      I just have had issues down there, which is sad as the countryside if pretty.
      But the people are just too creepy religious and all gunned up for me to ever go there again.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • Observer


      The south is full of beautiful waterfalls; our space port; our busiest national park; the Stone Mountain carving; Disney World; our prettiest beaches; the incredible waters of the Florida Keys; our finest native craftsmen; outstanding whitewater rafting; our nation's oldest city; and home of some people so honest and trusting that you might have to go out the back of craft shops to find someone to pay.

      Get over your handicap. Open your eyes and mind.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • niknak

      Sorry Observer, but last time I did that some real ugly stuff happend.
      I might be white and ok on my own, but the person I was with was not white and it got really nasty.
      And that was not the first time I saw or was involved with some ugly stuff down there.
      I am sure you have some great things and people, but I won't be going again.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • niknak

      BTW, I can't stand Disney World.
      It represents most that is aweful about American culture.
      Vegas being in that league too.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:15 pm |
    • Sarah Smyles

      Bullsh!t. I have had more predudiced people follow me, threaten me, and try to bodily harm my in the South than any other place in the WORLD. Take my blinders off? Open my mind? Fvck you. I was nearly r.aped there. I'd rather take my chances in a male prison than in the South. The land may be beautiful. The people are not! The only place I felt accepted at ALL was in NO, and for that, I thank them. Otherwise, pound sand up your ass. If I never see the South again, I can die a happy person. NikNak is right on the money.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:16 pm |
    • Jen

      Agreed niknak.

      I would go to Florida. But Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, etc etc....Not a chance....

      January 16, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
    • Jen

      Whenever anyone says "trust me", that's a sure sign that you shouldn't trust them.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • Observer


      There may not be any place in America where you can learn as much about other countries in combination with history as at Disney World.

      Your blindfold prevented you from learning a great amount. What a waste. You keep having opportunities and are blind.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
    • niknak

      Dude, Disney is just like Vegas, make believe cr_ap.
      It exists solely to prey on children's dreams and thinking to seperate their perents from their money.
      Vegas does the same, except it skips the kids and preys on male adult's S-e_x and power impulses to get the money.
      It is all fake.
      And the percentage of morbidly obese is sickening, especially in the South.
      Some of those people are so fat they don't even look human anymore.

      Dude, I have been to 27 different countries, lived in two of those, speak 3 languages besides English, and just bought land in South America to use for retirement. I do not need to learn anything from the South.
      Keep it for yourself, like your heaven.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
    • Observer


      We can learn from people everywhere. It is your choice to prefer not to learn. Sad.

      btw, I'm agnostic. Just another bad as-sumption based on an unwillingess to look at things objectively.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • I can name a LOT of better places to go

      The only thing wrong with the South is all the southern people there. Notice even Observer listed natural beauty, not anything to do with people.

      I've been there extensively, in the cities and in the country. I'm sure it's a lot better than 50 years ago, but still, I've come to expect hassles there that just don't happen much elsewhere. Under the thin veneer of "southern hospitality," the Bible doesn't seem to make them too nice in the Bible Belt.

      And if any store or roadside stand has lots of crosses and Jesus on the signs, stay away. Everytime I ever went into a store with that or got fruit at a roadside stand bedecked with Jesus, they always tried to rip us off. Smiling of course as they gouged us on crap quality.

      Oh, the beaches are much better in SoCal and Hawaii, the natural beauty far better in Alaska.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:43 pm |
    • niknak

      Is that like being a little bit pregnant?
      Take a stand observer.
      You either believe or you don't.

      I have about as open a mind as there is, and my openess took me to the South more then once, only to have my mind closed to the South because of the nastyness I found there.
      You like it, so great, have a ball with it.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:49 pm |
    • Observer

      @I can name a LOT of better places to go,

      "Notice even Observer listed natural beauty, not anything to do with people."

      Wrong. You need to read my comments again.

      Yes. there are mindless rednecks and fanatic religious people in the South. There are also LOTS and LOTS of transplanted New Englanders and people from Ohio, etc. Be fair.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
    • Observer


      "I have about as open a mind as there is"

      You are joking, right? You're the one who said millions of people that you have NEVER met "can't die off soon enough."

      With your open mind, please tell us about your trip to Disney World and what you learned about France, China, Canada, Norway, Germany, Mexico, etc. while you were there. Are you really going to claim that you already knew everything in their exhibits, movies and presentations.

      Get serious.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
    • Answer

      I love it when people use that horrid phrase "have an open mind".. hilarious crap that!!

      Somethings aren't up for discussion nor even worth considering.. like all the religions, their saints, their dogma and stupid traditions.

      I would like to see all you freaks apply that stupid notion of having an open mind to getting an extra orifice in your skull. Go right on ahead.

      January 16, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
    • Harvey the Invisible Rabbit, Whose Existence Cannot Be Disproved

      You know, Observer, I have been to DisneyWorld, and I have been to all the places you listed, and Epcot was pretty inaccurate and, wel, just downright lame to those of us who have actually seen the real places.

      Gonna agree with the others – DisneyWorld isn't anything to get excited about. The rest of your list of Southern charms is obviously overblown propaganda – you should write travel brocures.

      You seem to be stuck in Fantasyland when it comes to the South. It has a few charms, but for people who have seen a fair amount of America and the world, the South doesn't stand too tall.

      January 16, 2013 at 10:04 pm |
    • Observer


      If you have been to all the places I listed and don't find any of them interesting, you must have very limited interests. Your loss..

      January 16, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      I'm sure there are areas of the South I'd probably steer clear of but I'm really looking forward to visiting Austin, Texas and meeting up with the cast and crew of The Atheist Experience. Also to take in a Nascar race at Texas Motor Speedway.
      Yeah, yeah I know...why does a non-redneck non-believer want to have anything to do with Nascar? Well we Canadians aren't all painted with one brush...I don't even like hockey.

      January 16, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
    • Poltergeist

      We get it niknak, youre intolerant of an entire region based on your prejudices. The perfect example of why rational minds have trouble existing.

      January 17, 2013 at 12:20 am |
    • End Religion

      Gonna go ahead and get on the record that DisneyWorld is friggin' awesome! All you doofi who don't love DisneyWorld, meet me on Cinderella's Castle Ramparts at noon: this party is BYOW.
      (bring your own weapon)

      My weapon of choice for our rumble is a 6-inch wide rainbow coloured lollipop. It may not seem dangerous but if I lick it once and zap you in the hair with it, it won't come out for weeks!

      January 17, 2013 at 9:06 am |
    • End Religion

      AtheistSteve, is there some sort of blood test or other proof we can see that you are Canadian? If you like NASCAR and don't like hockey, you're going to have a hard time convincing anyone. I mean, those things are basically incontrovertible proof you aren't Canadian. You didn't even say "eh". Can you say "about" for me real quick as a final test? 🙂

      January 17, 2013 at 9:09 am |
  16. lionlylamb

    Because the world no longer is with the Truth of Christ's Word, Jesus will turn his backside toward the worldly ones who believe only in their own wants of selfishness ways. Abortions will rise up from the womanly tramps who no longer see the most Holy sacredness of the Act in lovemaking! Nations are now nearing absolute bankruptcies and soon each and every nation will lose their people over to seditions' once deniable ages of the old Roman ways!

    Christendom will lose many generations to the paganisms which will soon rise up devouring the many who are found lost by habitual venerations of discontentment and forlorn measures of s e x u a l indecencies, as was once so done in ancient Rome! Nations will cry out but no ears will hear and no eyes will see for all will be as deafness and dumbness in the near coming ages! Be you all so warned for repentance will not save you from your nations' sickening ways that all your nations' fathers illness ways are now leading all upon!

    Death shall no longer be one's saving graces for the gates of the heavens are yet shut tightly and only the gates of hell are found opened! The heavens are waiting for the branded one whose coming was foretold and no one upon this earth will ever know of him nor of his ways!

    Your crying out for mercies will not help you for all have eaten of sameness and in like minds does all toil in the wronging silts of the emotionally disparaged! Though the earth will soon be ripe and the harvests made soon ready, a time and a half-time so now marked will be abided and measured in the way made ready for the branded one's coming day when the gate of the heavens will be swung open for only the branded one who is found worthy of the judgments' seat!

    Be you women of the harlot's trades and also you womanly tramps continue on unabated and without understanding your puke! It will be of womanly issues that wills the manifestations of the depraved souls and misaligned spirits to conjure the world into finalized judgments! Once and for all will the gates of hell let in its apportioned and once filled will then hell's gates be closed for a thousand years leaving the dying and deadened lost to wander in aimlessness!

    The gate of the heavens remains locked until the branded one dares to arrive! For the women that finds fault in their tramp-like ways and does so repent and turn ever away from the harlots' doings, only then will Life find itself and be turned to hopefulness. If no women dare to not be turned, then the last judgment will come unto the earth! Hell will then be found justifiable and the serpent of old will rear its ugliness once more!

    January 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
    • niknak

      Why do you fundies, from all religions, have so much hate for woman?

      January 16, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
    • psych ward staff

      Uh oh, someone threw up their word salad again. Clean up needed on page 3.

      niknak, your answer is most likely related to the lionlylamb's twisted personal se xual past which has been referenced on different articles recently.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:37 pm |
    • lionlylamb


      Hate has nothing to do with harlots and s e x u a l tramps. Women are what they make themselves to so be. If you are no harlot nor even a tramp, you should not need worry or complain then! It is the common harlots and the infidelities of tramps that sickens the world!

      January 16, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • niknak

      So then what do you call the men who sleep with said woman, cowardlylion?
      I call them christians, because that is who the majority to the johns are.
      I know, because I work with xtian fundies, and when we travel for work, the can't wait to get away from their wives and go to strip clubs and try to find woman on craigslist and other places.

      Your anti woman rant just makes me question you even more.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
    • Gir

      We let these people vote.

      Let me rephrase that: These people have the power to sway public policy to conform with their crazy ideas.

      Let me rephrase that again: These people have the power to DENY you your civil rights if they feel if they are not in alignment with the holy book of crazy.

      Now, try sleeping with that thought on your mind.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
    • lionlylamb


      If the world had no harlots nor infidel tramps, men would not seek them out! Manhood would then have to be more chivalrous and made more fashionable in their courtships of womanhood's waning ways!

      January 16, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
    • @lionlylambchop

      You know nothing about women, women's behavior, or, as you put it, harlots and tramps. What you are is a gigantic crazy misogynist who cannot get laid, even if your choice were not to be celibate. You really should shut up about matters that will NEVER concern you. Go write on your insipid blog and quit practicing your hate speech here.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • hawaiiguest


      You've completely lost it. You should probably stop, because all you're doing is hurting your own cause.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • niknak

      OK Clion, then it is all woman fault that men go astrey?
      Without woman men would be perfect?
      What about when men kill, or steal, or molest chirdren, is that all woman's fault too?

      Again I will ask you, what is the believers issue with woman?

      January 16, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
    • lionlylamb


      What I know about societal issues does grieve me. The only way to change today's social issues of abortion and std's is for the roles of women to take hold of the s e x u a l reigns of lovemaking and no longer act as harlots and tramps giving in to a man's advances! If all women cannot see all the tragedies that many manners of s e x u a l I s m dare enfolds upon societal issues and the woman of the house allows for adolescent lovemaking in their children's life, then such families are doing society an injustice!

      January 16, 2013 at 9:18 pm |
    • Sarah Smyles

      Seriously?????Are you going to blame women for everything?? What about all the men who r.ape? What about all the men who will just stick their dick into any orifice thats available? You're gonna put this all on women? Are you insane? Not only do you make little sense, but when you DO make sense, you insult half of the population?? Did your mother have any children that lived? You're brain dead, and it shows!

      January 16, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I love it. A PEDOPHILE calling someone else a tramp.

      Comedy gold.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You nailed it. LL is certifiable. He was absent from this blog for a long period of time, during which I'm assuming he was either incarcerated or hospitalized.

      He's mad at women because they won't have anything to do with him.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      He's such a fvcking hypocrite, yammering at women to stop their teenage daughters from having s3x. This from a mentally ill man who has never had any kids of his own and wouldn't have a clue how to raise a daughter. To hear him tell it, every girl over the age of 12 is a sl -ut.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:27 pm |
    • lionlylamb


      Just how is it that men go 'astray'? Is it not in mankind's nature to cleave to his wife? Adolescent tramps being given full reign of adult orientated acts of lovemaking ways are not being taught the wrongfulness of out of wedlock lovemaking, therefore I still stand upon my views regarding harlots and tramps needing to change their ways lest they condemn the whole world thru acts of s e x u a l insurrections like once was in ancient pagan Roman times. Does this world need to be once again become a pagan world? Sadly, I fear it will become like pagan Rome once was.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The reign in Spain falls mainly on the plain. The rein is what you have so you don't fall off your horse, fvcktard.

      Last time I checked, very few men have EVER been ra ped by a woman, LL. You are accusing women of tempting men. Are you not able to control YOUR urges? You nincompoop, women don't force men into having s#x.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
    • niknak

      I will take pegan Rome over anything you fundies are working towards.
      Woman were at least treated with respect there, they even had one of their most important gods a woman.
      You fundies just want to dress up woman as s_ex objects, like they do on Fix news, then blame them for your bad behavior.

      It must really svck to be a xtian.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Sarah Smyles,

      Women hold the reigns to bedroom antics. Men are the arbiters and women re the means to change Life ways! Just because a woman of early teen years is parentally allowed to engage in Acts of lovemaking makes their daughters out to be tramps. Could this be because their own mother was once a tramp and brought into this world a child who might or might not become a tramp? Women should teach their teen daughters how not to act as tramps! But it is too late! Too many tramps have born out teen tramps just like their harlot mothers "once" were!

      The wickedness of s e x u a l I s m has trapped all of us in never ending cycles of social travesties laying waste the chivalry long ago forgotten. Alas, pagan Roman times will be upon this world once again! I am a repentant sinner yelling prudence to all corners of the net! I await death's door in the natural way and can only throw salt to the wind ever to await my ends coming! Repentance is near and do make haste to change your lusting ways all you harlots and tramps of this world! Men will then learn of more honorable ways to take a mate that dares resist the lusts of the flesh!

      January 16, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
    • tallulah13

      What a load of nonsense (and not just the overblown prose). This LowlifeLamb is unwilling to accept any responsibility for himself, or indeed for his gender. He is a coward, a liar and a fool. No wonder he is a believer. What a misogynist creep.

      January 16, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
    • Poltergeist

      He does have a point about teenage tramps though. When will they give poor grandparents a break?

      January 17, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • sam stone

      The "truth of Christ's word"?

      You mean the thing that has been fvcked with more times than a Newport News streetwalker when the fleet is in

      Also, remember when you vomit up words that "truth" is not capitalized

      January 17, 2013 at 5:15 am |
    • sam stone

      'Hate has nothing to do with harlots and s e x u a l tramps"

      Translation: "I am an impotent bitter old man who can't get it up, so I will pretend to be alll pious and look down on more virile people"

      LL.....time to go meet jeebus?

      January 17, 2013 at 5:18 am |
    • sam stone

      tom tom: lionylampchop is a child boinker? that would explain a lot.

      January 17, 2013 at 5:29 am |
    • sam stone

      "What I know about societal issues does grieve me."

      Then leave.

      Jeebus is fully aroused, waiting to fill your silky mouth.

      Come on,boy, take your fvcking judgement....if you have the courage of your convictions

      January 17, 2013 at 5:32 am |
    • sam stone

      LL's blather sort of makes you wonder if he has ever had CONSENTUAL relations.

      January 17, 2013 at 5:36 am |
  17. Well look at it this way atheists

    If they are all praying to end abortion at once, then they are distracted and you may proceed.

    January 16, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
    • Oops

      They can pray all they want. It's already a consti tutional right. Kinda like it's a consti tutional right to have the gun of one's choice. They just want the choice of death to be up to them.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
  18. Observer

    If the Bible had ever mentioned abortion, the survey would have had more significance.

    January 16, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
    • Gir

      What the bible said is unimportant. The fact is, religionists are reading whatever interpretations they want into it and have used them to DENY basic civil rights for MILLENIA.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
    • John

      "If the Bible had ever mentioned abortion........"

      Research the Bible and it will invalidate your comment.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It doesn't mention abortion. Unless you can find specific references to it, the OP is correct.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
    • Observer


      "Research the Bible and it will invalidate your comment."

      Wrong. The Bible not only doesn't mention abortion, but actually offers better arguments to support abortion than to oppose it.

      Read it sometime.

      January 16, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
    • John

      I read it more than sometime. What about you?

      January 16, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • Observer


      If you read the Bible TWICE you'd know it doesn't mention abortion. What happened?

      If there was a quote you would have supplied it. Read the Bible for the THIRD time and maybe pay better attention.

      January 16, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • Saraswati

      I read the bible cover to cover back in college. Definitely no abortion.

      January 16, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • John

      Abortion is definety mentioned in the Bible.


      January 16, 2013 at 11:29 pm |
    • Observer


      Nope. The Bible is full of commands from God to kill and then (incredibly) to kill anyone who kills anyone.

      The Bible says that if you cause a miscarriage, the penalty is a FINE (like a parking ticket?) paid to the FATHER, not mother.

      But the Bible says that if you hurt a PERSON, the penalty is "an eye for an eye".

      January 16, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
    • John

      Consider this: God is not held accountable to us. We are however accountable to Him.

      January 16, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "John", but "God" and "Him" are elements of mythology, therefore your assertion is unfounded.

      January 17, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • Observer


      If we are accountable to God. why are there so many Christians who attribute false opposition to abortion to God?

      January 17, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • Poltergeist

      Because they believe the unborn baby is alive Observer.

      January 17, 2013 at 1:34 am |
  19. niknak

    You lily white xtian fundies can't die off soon enough.

    January 16, 2013 at 7:31 pm |
    • Hippo

      What about the golden tan ones?

      January 16, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • niknak

      Good question.

      January 16, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
    • Does it bother anyone else...

      To see a person wanting entire races of people or entire religious groups to die off? Maybe it's just me.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
    • Observer

      Does it bother anyone else...,

      Yes. It's an ignorant reaction to people who have been ignorant to them. The lesson to be learned failed.

      January 16, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • John

      I wish only the best for you. Sad that your wish is that I die.

      January 16, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
  20. Russ

    @ Dan Merica: This article is unclear.

    First you say...
    "A majority of every religious group sampled... responded that abortion was morally wrong. Those respondents who find it morally wrong are also overwhelmingly likely to support overturning the law, compared with keeping it intact – 85% to 5%."
    85% likely to support overturning... a clear majority...

    But then you say...
    "The vast majority of evangelicals say they see abortion as morally wrong, but barely a majority say that they want to see Roe v. Wade overturned."
    Sounds like a direct contradiction in 2 paragraphs.

    And then the Pew research director said: "...they may either personally feel it is wrong or favor greater restrictions. Overturning Roe v. Wade is not nearly as supported an idea..."
    so favoring greater restrictions is not overturning? I'm failing to see the logic.

    It seems there is some equivocation here with "overturn." By it, do you mean completely oppose abortion in ALL circ.umstances or oppose the vast majority of reasons cited for abortion? Certainly, abortion rights advocates would consider it a MAJOR defeat if abortion was ONLY "allowed" in the cases of r.a.pe, in.c.est or mother's health at risk (since those 3 exceptions account for less than 1% of abortions in the US). Are you citing concern for those "exceptions" as support for Roe v. Wade? It certainly sounds that way. That would be disingenuous.

    The Pro-life movement itself is divided on those 3 MINOR (statistically speaking) exceptions. It's no news if the stats reflect that. It is – however – news if that group has decided it believes abortion is morally wrong in theory but ok in practice (which your headline blatantly claims but the article fails to support). So which is it?

    January 16, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      did you read the survey results?


      You will find the precise questions asked there.

      January 16, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      the question Pew asked in their survey was:
      "In 1973 the Roe versus Wade decision established a woman’s const!tutional right to an abortion, at least in the first three months of pregnancy. Would you like to see the Supreme Court completely overturn its Roe versus Wade decision, or not?"

      63% of Americans said 'no'.
      29% of Americans said 'yes'

      This response has changed little in 20 years.

      Pew did not ask any questions about abortion being permissible only in case of râpe, incest etc.

      January 16, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV


      "... news if that group has decided it believes abortion is morally wrong in theory but ok in practice"

      The article unambiguously implies that many Americans (47%) think abortion is morally wrong and that most (63%) do not want to deny legal access to abortion by completely overturning Roe v. Wade.

      Regarding while evangelical protestants, the answer is that most (73%) think abortion is wrong and most (54%), do not want to deny legal access to abortion by completely overturning Roe v. Wade.

      The survey does not break out answers by wether people identify as pro-choice or pro-life. (That is mostly self-evident in the answers.)

      Here are results from a different Pew survey related to limiting abortion in some cases:

      January 16, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Ooops – the article "states" (not "implies")
      – "white" evangelicals (not while)

      January 16, 2013 at 7:46 pm |
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