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In 2009, President Barack Obama was sworn in using the same bible used by former President Abraham Lincoln. The Lincoln bible will make an appearance in this inauguration as well.
January 19th, 2013
10:00 PM ET

My Take: An almost chosen nation

Editor's Note: Joseph Loconte, Ph.D., is an associate professor of history at the King’s College in New York City and the author of The Searchers: A Quest for Faith in the Valley of Doubt.

By Joseph Loconte, Special to CNN

When Barack Obama is publicly sworn in for the second time as president on Monday, he will use two Bibles. One belonged to the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., the other to Abraham Lincoln —two of the most religious figures in American political history. Both men saw clearly the moral contradictions that tore at the fabric of American democratic life. Yet both also believed deeply in the exceptional character of the United States and the spiritual significance of its democratic mission.

In a speech to the New Jersey legislature on his inaugural journey to Washington, February 21, 1861, Lincoln reflected on Trenton’s heroic role in America’s fight for independence:

“I recollect thinking then, boy even though I was, that there must have been something more than common that those men struggled for; that something even more than National Independence; that something that held out a great promise to all the people of the world to all time to come.”

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Lincoln never doubted the universal appeal of the nation’s experiment in self-government, a “promise to all people of the world” that would endure across the centuries. Unlike modern liberals, Lincoln was no cultural relativist: He believed firmly in natural and inalienable rights that belonged to all people, from every corner of the globe, by virtue of their common humanity. Despite the cancer of slavery and racism that had infected the body politic, no nation was more devoted to securing those rights than the United States. Indeed, Lincoln insisted that America had a God-given role in advancing this cause in the world:

“I am exceedingly anxious that this Union, the Constitution, and the liberties of the people shall be perpetuated in accordance with the original idea for which that struggle was made, and I shall be most happy indeed if I shall be an humble instrument in the hands of the Almighty, and of this, his almost chosen people, for perpetuating the object of that great struggle.”

Lincoln’s description of America as an “almost chosen people” captured brilliantly the qualified and uncertain character of the nation’s democracy: deeply and grievously flawed, but nonetheless caught up in the righteous purposes of God. Unlike many of his religious contemporaries, Lincoln stopped short of identifying America as the new Israel; no spiritual covenant between God and the United States could be presumed. Lincoln well knew the capacity of religious zeal to poison our politics. Nevertheless, he insisted that America’s commitment to liberty and equality was consistent with the character and intentions of the Almighty.

Martin Luther King, Jr., a Baptist minister, shared Lincoln’s political theology. In a way that many liberal and secular-minded Americans would now find offensive, King wielded passages and principles from the Bible like an ax to assault the racist assumptions that degraded the lives of millions of African-Americans. Like Lincoln, he appealed to America’s spiritual legacy in order to renew its democratic mission.

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In “Letter from the Birmingham Jail,” King complained that African-Americans had been denied “our constitutional and God-given rights.” He declared that “the goal of America is freedom,” a mandate from heaven itself. Indeed, King saw the hand of God in the political fight to call America back to its founding ideals: “If the inexpressible cruelties of slavery could not stop us, the opposition we now face will surely fail,” he wrote. “We will win our freedom because the sacred heritage of our nation and the eternal will of God are embodied in our echoing demands.”

Modern liberalism scorns the very idea of “the sacred heritage of our nation.” It rejects the view of America as “an almost chosen people,” an exceptional nation devoted to political and religious ideals anchored in a transcendent cause. In this sense, Mr. Obama’s party, the party of liberalism, would not know what to do with a Lincoln or a King.

It is heartening, and symbolically important, that Mr. Obama will be using the Bibles of these two great leaders as he takes the oath of office. It would be more significant, though, if the president found room for their moral vision of the United States in his administration and in his party.

- kramsaycnn

Filed under: Barack Obama • Belief • Politics

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  1. akis lak

    i didn't read the whole article but i remembered madeleine albright once said that america is the nation chosen by god. i thought it was israel. derp

    January 20, 2013 at 6:19 am |
    • Colin

      Yes, a god creating the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies and then choosing a small group of nomadic Jews as his chosen people out of the approximately 200 million people then alive makes much more sense.

      January 20, 2013 at 6:23 am |
    • steeler123

      Anyone who believes liberals are anti-religious is willfully blind. Liberals are just as religious as conservatives, and perhaps more so in how they express compassion to the oppressed – the heart of Jesus' message – in their public policies. They just want government to have its hands off religion, something the Founders believed helped encourage piety and belief. Religious belief is always stronger when it is freely chosen. And is is no less fulfilling when it has a spirit of humility which I find abysmally lacking in modern conservatism.

      January 20, 2013 at 8:36 am |
    • Unintelligent Designer

      God also drew the border between Canada and Mexico.

      January 20, 2013 at 11:55 am |
  2. Colin

    To equate the Bible with freedom from slavery is absurd in the extreme. Both the Old Testament and the New Testament are riddled with passages that make it clear that the Bible openly condones and supports slavery, including the $ex-slavery of women.

    This is, of course, due directly to the social views of the time when it was written. This may be exculpatory from a literary perspective but it makes the claims of Christians and Jews that their Bible has the moral high ground on the slavery issue as nothing short of absurd.

    By the way, the quotes I cite below can easily be checked on line or in any hard copy of a Bible. You can´t make this stuff up.

    However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

    The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

    If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

    Nice family values there!

    Here is its view on the almost incomprehensible evil of selling one’s own daughter as a $ex slave.

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    As to beating slaves…

    When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

    Jesus and Saint Paul, the two towering figures of the New Testament were also open supporters of slavery.

    Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

    Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

    Now, I accept that Timothy was one of the 3-6 of the 13 letters of Saint Paul in the Bible that were forgeries by early Christians, but it still reflects the views of the early Christians to slavery and it is still included in the Bible.

    In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

    The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

    So, whatever else one might think of the Bible, one must accept that it condoned slavery, set rules for its practice, supported the $ex trade and allowed the barbaric act of beating slaves who “misbehaved.” If one used it as a moral yardstick, Martin Luther King would have been beaten and his daughters sold as $ex slaves.

    January 20, 2013 at 6:16 am |
  3. The Analyst

    King was an exceptional man for his time certainly. The CLOWN that wrote this will certainly never win that distinction. Liberals are NOT OFFENDED because King was a religious man. Get that silly notion out of your head. We may have grave concerns about the subversion of democracy due to the infiltration of people with pyschoses like religious belief into positions of authority who want to dictate how everyone else lives, but most people of any stripe applaud what Dr. King tried to do for his people.
    You're right about "American exceptionalism" however. Liberals hate that crap because that sort of bigotry allows the US to hold itself above the law and humanity, attacking and killing weaker nations and claiming that is somehow our birthright. I don't think King's references to America as an opportunity for equality can IN ANY WAY be equated to the warmongers' craven hegemonic desires.

    January 20, 2013 at 6:12 am |
  4. NTMMFTS

    "President Barack Obama will using the Bibles of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr. when he takes the oath of office."

    Doesn't anyone proofread this stuff???

    January 20, 2013 at 6:08 am |
  5. bob smith

    Obama using the bible. ROFLMAO. What a dumb phucque is he.

    January 20, 2013 at 6:08 am |
    • The Analyst

      And that is because...? Obama professes to be an Christian. Not that that or Bibles mean squat to me. I judge a man by his actions, not by what goofy hat he says he wears, and so far Obama seems more moral than any we've had since Carter. It's hard to tell when the government is actually run by the Corpocracy.

      January 20, 2013 at 6:18 am |
  6. Steve

    There is no god, you know it deep down. Get over it.

    January 20, 2013 at 5:55 am |
    • thedarkelf

      I feel sorry for you,But like it or not this country was founded by Christians and most of the laws from the beginning were taken from the Bible and we have endured and prospered. So even today the president must be sworn in with a bible. Whats bothers me though is I dont believe he is Christian so swearing on a Bible is usless

      January 20, 2013 at 6:13 am |
  7. matt

    always the opportunist does he say what he means or does he mean what he says

    January 20, 2013 at 5:48 am |
  8. Origin of Life

    Evolution wins hands down, it is time for religion to get the hell out of the way !

    Hypothesis Traces First Protocells Back to Emergence of Cell Membrane Bioenergetics

    Dec. 20, 2012 — A coherent pathway - which starts from no more than rocks, water and carbon dioxide and leads to the emergence of the strange bio-energetic properties of living cells - has been traced for the first time in a major hypothesis paper in Cell this week.

    January 20, 2013 at 5:48 am |
    • Another Way

      Hypothesis Traces First Protocells Back to Emergence of Cell Membrane Bioenergetics

      Dec. 20, 2012 — A coherent pathway – which starts from no more than rocks, water and carbon dioxide and leads to the emergence of the strange bio-energetic properties of living cells – has been traced for the first time in a major hypothesis paper in Cell this week.

      I respectfully offer an alternative. If one closely examines different cultures they will see that they all have some idea about how the world came into existence. No matter their reason, they all have concluded that: the things of our world have causes & there is a creating/initiating god – in other words, an ultimate cause that is uniquely not caused.

      Aristotle argued this. He held that: there cannot be a universe existing infinitely in time; therefore the universe had a beginning; whatever begins to exist must have a cause to exist. Therefore, there must be an un-caused cause of the universe. I humbly offer that the uncaused cause of our universe, our world, all that is in it, and human beings is the God of the Bible. Give it some thought. From a Christian, a person who has believed that Jesus Christ is who He says He is and has placed his faith in Him. Thanks.

      January 20, 2013 at 6:14 am |
    • thedarkelf

      Science with all of its advances still cant answer how or where we came from. So I think its time to open your minds a bit. Who said when you have looked at all things possible and still dont have the answer then the answer is found somewhere in the impossible. Or something like that I think it was Sherlock Holmes. But the sentiment is right on.

      January 20, 2013 at 6:19 am |
    • The Analyst

      Like the symbolicized ramblings of humans we call thought somehow has anything to do with the beginning of life. I can imagine that upon my death I will go to a faerie castle in the sky but wishing won't make it so. I tried to imagine that I had the physical ability to fly when I was a child, but unfortunately wishing and conjecture do not make things true.

      January 20, 2013 at 6:22 am |
    • The Analyst

      And by the way, for those that have somewhat of a grip on reality, review the work of Urey and Miller, who based on the primiordal "soup" demonstrated that all of the chemicals necessary for life could arise from the early conditions of the earth, without any magical beings intervening. Life is just a stepwise backeddy in the inexorable current of entropy, a solar system a temporary discontinuity or concentration of energy in the dynamic dispersal and reagglomeration of energy/matter we call the universe.

      January 20, 2013 at 6:28 am |
    • Origin of Life

      Part 1 of origin above is part 2

      Where Does All Earth's Gold Come From? Precious Metals the Result of Meteorite Bombardment, Rock Analysis Finds

      Sep. 9, 2011 — Ultra high precision analyses of some of the oldest rock samples on Earth by researchers at the University of Bristol provides clear evidence that the planet's accessible reserves of precious metals are the result of a bombardment of meteorites more than 200 million years after Earth was formed.

      Dr Willbold continued: "Our work shows that most of the precious metals on which our economies and many key industrial processes are based have been added to our planet by lucky coincidence when the Earth was hit by about 20 billion billion tonnes of asteroidal material."

      This research was funded by the Natural Environment Research Council (NERC), the Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC) and the Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft (DFG).

      January 20, 2013 at 6:36 am |
    • Origin of Life

      Repeat: Evolution wins hands down, religion needs to get the hell out of the way. Look at date pub.

      Published on Jan 13, 2013

      Program Description
      Over 60,000 years ago, the first modern humans—people physically identical to us today—left their African homeland and entered Europe, then a bleak and inhospitable continent in the grip of the Ice Age. But when they arrived, they were not alone: the stocky, powerfully built Neanderthals had already been living there for hundred of thousands of years. So what happened when the first modern humans encountered the Neanderthals? Did we make love or war? That question has tantalized generations of scholars and seized the popular imagination. Then, in 2010, a team led by geneticist Svante Paabo announced stunning news. Not only had they reconstructed much of the Neanderthal genome—an extraordinary technical feat that would have seemed impossible only a decade ago—but their analysis showed that "we" modern humans had interbred with Neanderthals, leaving a small but consistent signature of Neanderthal genes behind in everyone outside Africa today. In "Decoding Neanderthals," NOVA explores the implications of this exciting discovery. In the traditional view, Neanderthals differed from "us" in behavior and capabilities as well as anatomy. But were they really mentally inferior, as inexpressive and clumsy as the cartoon caveman they inspired? NOVA explores a range of intriguing new evidence for Neanderthal self-expression and language, all pointing to the fact that we may have seriously underestimated our mysterious, long-vanished human cousins.

      Science & Technology

      January 20, 2013 at 7:00 am |
    • Interesting

      so our gold could be some other civilizations golden temples and towers and banks, and ours could become something elses when this world becomes meteors and travels afar ... very, very cool thought

      January 20, 2013 at 7:12 am |
    • InterestingIdea

      It could be taken the wrong way – but he could take the oath on a golden book that contains nothing in it to represent the possibility of possibility that all religions and god encompasses

      January 20, 2013 at 7:17 am |
    • nobody in particular

      I assume you were refering to an article in 'CELL' magazine. Could you be a little more spacific which issue and article you are refering to?

      January 20, 2013 at 7:23 am |
    • Origin of Life

      @nobody in particular

      Full article:
      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121220143530.htm
      Enjoy
      Thanks

      January 20, 2013 at 7:34 am |
  9. Logtaads1

    LMAO... It is absolutely hilarious to read this self-righteous indignation from our atheist friends.

    January 20, 2013 at 5:08 am |
  10. Pete

    "Unlike modern liberals, Lincoln was no cultural relativist: He believed firmly in natural and inalienable rights that belonged to all people, from every corner of the globe"
    When did fox take over CNN, that Lincoln was more of a modern democrat than a modern conservative. Conservatives are hugely about race divide and deporting and going to war with peoples of other races and religions.

    "the other to Abraham Lincoln —two of the most religious figures in American political history.".
    Does the writer of this article know anything about Lincoln? As far as the History of American politicians he is probably the most likely closet atheist among other closet things.

    January 20, 2013 at 4:48 am |
  11. kevobx

    Grace and truth is Christ, The Word of God, the good book his book of life. God is righteous (human flesh and blood) And Satan is holy (mankind's living creature the beast) The dragon is red. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black:

    January 20, 2013 at 3:45 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Let us praise God. O Lord...
      ...ooh, You are so big...
      ...So absolutely huge.
      Gosh, we're all really impressed down here, I can tell You.
      Forgive us, O Lord, for this, our dreadful toadying, and...
      And barefaced flattery.
      But You are so strong and, well, just so super.
      Fantastic.
      Amen.

      January 20, 2013 at 3:53 am |
    • For both of you

      Someone died so that both of you may have differing opinions on that book. I hope you both appreciate that fact.

      January 20, 2013 at 5:24 am |
    • For both of you

      And for the record I am not speaking about religion here, only the right to have or not have them.

      January 20, 2013 at 5:27 am |
    • Winston5

      Read Tolkien over the bible, waaaaay better dragons. 🙂

      January 20, 2013 at 8:04 am |
    • Winston5

      Oh, and free healthcare to the poor?? Mythical Jesus would REALLY not be on board with that people. He was a total, pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps, Cheney kind of guy. 😉

      January 20, 2013 at 8:08 am |
  12. And so much for this guy

    Nothing but lame liberal-bashing piffle.

    January 20, 2013 at 12:42 am |
    • Johnny Blammo

      I like the way this guy thinks MLK would be against the first Black president.

      Yeah, the author is undoubtedly the voice of Lincoln and MLK. I'm sure they would be religious right dingbats, just like he says.

      "Almost chosen" . . . in his fantasy.

      January 20, 2013 at 12:49 am |
  13. Cat Holic

    So God chose to found a nation to perpetuate slavery for almost 100 more years. hmmm ???

    January 20, 2013 at 12:40 am |
  14. Reality

    The Jefferson bible would have been a better choice as TJ removed all of the supernatural mumbo jumbo from his bible to include the insane Book of Revelation.

    Other "better" choices, Hammurabi's Code, the Egyptian Book of the Dead, and/or the New Torah for Modern Minds, http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

    From the Egyptian Book of the Dead-

    "Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .

    I have not reviled the God.

    I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.

    I have not done what the God abominates . . .

    I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.

    I have not caused anyone's suffering . . .

    I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste.

    I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
    I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
    I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage...
    I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
    I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
    I have not kept cattle away from the God's property.
    I have not blocked the God at his processions."

    "The Book of the Dead was written circa 1800 BCE. 2 The Schofield Reference Bible estimates that the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt and the provision of the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai occurred in 1491 BCE., some three centuries later. Many religious liberals, historians, and secularists have concluded that the Hebrew Scripture's Ten Commandments were based on this earlier docu-ment, rather than vice-versa."

    January 20, 2013 at 12:16 am |
  15. realbuckyball

    Such nonsence, and shocking drivel form a (supposed) historian. In the Treaty with Tripoli, the Founders asserted this nation is in no way founded on the Christian religion. It was founded on the ideals of the Enlightenment, as they developed in Fraance, and many of the Fouders were not Christians. The Bible is a horrific book, for anyone who has ever read it. This is just more drivel frim King's College and it's staff, and the usual crap that cpmes from there and it's President, who looses every debate he enters. It's embarrasing for them. The "chosen people" thing is Fascism, and VERY dangerous. If we are chosen, why is our education system the worst in the world, in the developed countries ? Our rights derive from our Humanity, as was asserted when we signed on to the UN Charter of Human Rights. They do not come from immaginary sky faries. What a dangerous, parochial, antiquated view, Mr Loconte.

    January 20, 2013 at 12:01 am |
  16. Pravda

    Why wouldn't he use a Koran instead?

    "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." – Obama
    "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction" – Obama
    "Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation" – Obama
    "Jesus' Sermon on the Mount was so "radical" the Defense Department wouldn't survive its application" – Obama

    January 19, 2013 at 11:52 pm |
    • tallulah13

      It sounds like our President is supporting the Const.itutional right of freedom of religion. I'm sorry you don't like it. Perhaps you should leave the country if you don't like freedom.

      January 20, 2013 at 12:41 am |
    • Jaggar

      Tallulah- I don't think anyone is questioning his religious freedom but why he would use a bible instead of the Koran that he protests. He is obviously Muslim and it is time he stops pretending. He has pushed for Muslims since the day he took oath.
      Why lie about it? Bankrupting the country according to Bin Laden!

      January 20, 2013 at 5:58 am |
    • John

      "The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when the image of Jesus Christ is desecrated, churches are destroyed, or the Holocaust is denied."

      And "the future must not belong" was a recurring motif he was applying to a number of distasteful things in that speech. Not that I think anyone had to be told you're being disingenuous.

      January 20, 2013 at 8:05 am |
    • stephen K

      Because he is not a Muslim?
      and like most followers of Christ not judgmental
      and a person of tolerance? Something you obviously are not?

      January 20, 2013 at 8:37 am |
  17. Pravda

    And he will promise to uphold the const, what a joke...

    January 19, 2013 at 11:42 pm |
  18. Pravda

    I would not be surprised if the Bibles hisses and smoked when Obama puts his hand on it to take his oath. He is nothing like Abraham Lincoln or MLK Jr.

    January 19, 2013 at 11:38 pm |
    • midwest rail

      My guess is you're surprised by the jack-in-the-box – every time.

      January 19, 2013 at 11:42 pm |
    • Pravda

      If you mean I am surprised that Obozo isn't impeached yet, then yes...

      January 19, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Your candidate lost, Prava. Get over it.

      January 20, 2013 at 12:40 am |
  19. vnc.com

    dantri.com Thank ! ,,,

    January 19, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
  20. truth be told

    We are one nation under God and always have been. The moral underpinnings of America came from the Holy Bibles of our founding fathers. The USA, created by Christians for Christians. It is no wonder lying so called atheist types do not fit here.

    January 19, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
    • God's honest truth

      tbt is a lying brainless fundie

      January 19, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
    • tallulah13

      tbt likes to lie. Is there a verse in the bible that says it's okay to lie about something if you don't like the truth? If there isn't, tbt could be in big trouble if his god is indeed real, since the Ten Commandments very clearly state that lying is something you shouldn't do.

      January 20, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • nonprophetadam

      Freedom of religion. And that's what most atheist want. Nothing more. By using bibles he is saying screw you to over 30% of Americans.

      January 20, 2013 at 1:59 am |
    • truth be told

      Thanks to the replies for adding proof to my statement.

      January 20, 2013 at 7:39 am |
    • stephen K

      Uh, TBT, you aren't acting much like Christ. Why is it that so many Christians these days are acting less and less like Christ and so many people who are just spiritual and moral are acting more and more like Christ.

      This was not a nation created by Christians for Christians
      Do your homework

      It was a nation created by free people who did not want political or religious oppression (such as you seem to desire) for people.

      January 20, 2013 at 8:40 am |
    • truth be told

      Would that be the Christ that cleaned the lying thieving atheist money changers out of the temple or the wishy washy type Christ you think He is?

      January 20, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
    • Little T

      Actually, we weren't "One nation under god" until the 50s when the Red Scare was going heavy. Before then, we had no mention of god in the Pledge or on our money.

      But thanks for playing.

      January 22, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
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