January 25th, 2013
05:01 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Friday, January 25, 2013

By Arielle Hawkins, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN:Twitter must identify racist, anti-Semitic posters, French court says
For months now, the French-language twittersphere has lit up with a rash of racist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic tweets using the hashtags #UnBonJuif (a good Jew), #SiMonFilsEstGay (if my son is gay), and #SiMaFilleRamèneUnNoir (if my daughter brings home a black guy). Last fall, under pressure from French advocacy group Union of Jewish Students (UEJF), Twitter agreed to remove some offensive tweets. In October 2012, at Berlin's request, Twitter also suspended a German neo-Nazi account based in the city of Hanover, the first time the company had responded to such a government request.

Tweet of the Day:

[tweet https://twitter.com/MarsHill/status/294672214308032513%5D

Photos of the Day

Palestinian scouts parade playing music during a ceremony commemorating the birth of Prophet Mohammed, known in Arabic as 'al-Mawlid al-Nabawi'outside the Dome of the Rock the Al-Aqsa mosque compound, Islam's third holiest site, in the old city of Jerusalem on January 24, 2013.

Pakistani mosque is illuminated along a street to mark the Eid Milad-un-Nabi, Birth of the Prophet in Lahore on January 24, 2013. Pakistani Muslims will celebrate the birth of the Prophet Mohammed on January 25.

Archbishop Nurhan Manougian, 65, the new elected Armenian patriarch of Jerusalem walks at the Armenian Church in Jerusalem's old city on January 24 2013. Archbishop Nurhan Manougian has been elected the 97th Armenian Orthodox patriarch of Jerusalem, one of the five custodians of Christian religious sites in the Holy Land, sources told AFP.

Enlightening Reads:

The Colorado Independent: In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses aren’t people
Lori Stodghill was seven-months pregnant with twin boys and feeling sick when she arrived at St. Thomas More hospital in 2006. She passed out as she was being wheeled into an examination room. Medical staff tried to resuscitate her but, as became clear only later, a main artery feeding her lungs was clogged and the clog led to a massive heart attack. The patient died at the hospital less than an hour after she arrived and her twins died in her womb. In the aftermath of the tragedy, Stodghill’s husband Jeremy, a prison guard, filed a wrongful-death lawsuit. But when it came to mounting a defense in the Stodghill case, Catholic Health’s lawyers effectively turned the Church directives on their head. Catholic organizations have for decades fought to change federal and state laws that fail to protect “unborn persons,” and Catholic Health’s lawyers in this case had the chance to set precedent bolstering anti-abortion legal arguments. Instead, they are arguing state law protects doctors from liability concerning unborn fetuses on grounds that those fetuses are not persons with legal rights.

Huffington Post: Catholic Bishops To Investigate Catholic Hospital Group That Argued In Lawsuit That Fetuses Are Not People
The bishops of Colorado are vowing to undertake a "full review" of the "policies and practices" a Catholic health nonprofit that has argued in medical malpractice lawsuit against it for the death two unborn children that fetuses are not people. Catholic social teaching says that fetuses are people - the argument is part of the church's strong pro-life and anti-abortion positions.

Religion News Service: S.C. Episcopal diocese claims a victory in secession struggle
The breakaway Episcopal Diocese of South Carolina has won the latest round in its fight to secede from the national church. A South Carolina judge on Wednesday (Jan. 23) issued a temporary restraining order that prevents the national church from using the name or seal of the diocese, which espouses a more traditional theology and disapproves of the national church’s acceptance of same-sex marriage and gay bishops.

New York Times: Dalai Lama Stresses Science and Secularism in Jaipur
For the Dalai Lama, whose interest in science took root 30 years ago, spiritualism and science are not incompatible. He recounted his conversations with modern scientists in which he said he had seen many ways in which Buddhism and modern science overlapped. For example, he said, look at the Buddhist theory of impermanence, the idea that the physical world is changing by the second, which was later proved by quantum physics in the movement of atoms. “What modern science was proving, Bharat already found out 2,000 years ago,” he said, using the Hindi word for India.

Religion News Service: Publishers are in seventh heaven with near-death memoirs
Do people really see a light at the end of a tunnel when they have a near-death experience? And could that be heaven up ahead? That light is shining brighter than ever these days. Heaven is hot. Hotter even than that other place. Just ask any bookseller in America. Folks have been going to heaven with amazing regularity lately. They look around — one even sat on Jesus’ lap — then come back to report on the trip. It’s a lucrative journey.

Quote of the Day:

We need to trust in the fact that the basic human desire to love and to be loved, and to find meaning and truth - a desire which God himself has placed in the heart of every man and woman - keeps our contemporaries ever open to ... the 'kindly light' of faith.

- Pope Benedict XVI in his message for World Communications Day

Join the conversation…

CNN: Response by the Church of Scientology to 'Going Clear'
In response to CNN's request for comment on its story about Lawrence Wright's book "Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood & the Prison of Belief," the network received several letters from the Church of Scientology and its attorneys. Given the sensitive nature of the material in the book and the Church of Scientology's detailed response to CNN, CNN is making the church's responses available in full. The e-mail addresses and telephone numbers of individuals have been redacted.

- A. Hawkins

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  1. ToSummarize

    Wow. The hatred spewed in these comments is nauseating. And it is not coming from the Bible-defenders. Can't you just say, "no, I disagree, because..." Wow. Just wow.

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  3. Kra-nion

    # so?..Who, has the right to interperet the holy scripture?....is it the bloodline apostolic king?..'divine right'...one of promises is to 'raise up the generations of old'......it's one faith.........and,once delivered unto the St.s.....the pope?...arn't all the bishops the messagers of the god chosen apostolic king?

    May 4, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
  4. YeahRight

    "My point is that gay relationships that are longer than 2 years are almost always open relationships. And people have claimed that these "committed relationships" are loving."

    The hundreds of thousands of experts in this country have proven this statement is wrong. By the way L4H slander and lying is a sin. Like their heterosexual counterparts, many gay and lesbian people want to form stable, long-lasting, committed relationships. Indeed, many of them do and that large proportions are currently involved in such a relationship and that a substantial number of those couples have been together 10 or more years.

    Research demonstrates that the psychological and social aspects of committed relationships between same-sex partners closely resemble those of heterosexual partnerships. Like heterosexual couples, same-sex couples form deep emotional attachments and commitments. Heterosexual and same-sex couples alike face similar issues concerning intimacy, love, equity, loyalty, and stability, and they go through similar processes to address those issues. Research examining the quality of intimate relationships also shows that gay and lesbian couples have levels of relationship satisfaction similar to or higher than those of heterosexual couples.

    A large number of gay and lesbian couples raise children. Children and teenagers whose parents provide loving guidance in the context of secure home environments are more likely to flourish – and this is just as true for children of same-sex parents as it is for children of opposite-sex parents. Based on research findings, mental health professionals have also reached a consensus that the quality of relationships among significant adults in a child’s or adolescent’s life is associated with adjustment. When relationships between parents are characterized by love, warmth, cooperation, security, and mutual support, children and adolescents are more likely to show positive adjustment. In contrast, when relationships between parents are conflict-ridden and acrimonious, the adjustment of children and adolescents is likely to be less favorable. These correlations are just as true for children of same-sex parents as for children of opposite-sex parents.

    Assertions that heterosexual couples are inherently better parents than same sex couples, or that the children of lesbian or gay parents fare worse than children of heterosexual parents, have no support in the scientific research literature. On the contrary, the scientific research that has directly compared outcomes for children with gay and lesbian parents with outcomes for children with heterosexual parents has consistently shown that the former are as fit and capable as the latter and that their children are as psychologically healthy and well adjusted as children reared by heterosexual parents.

    January 28, 2013 at 8:30 am |
  5. Live4Him


    There have been many people on this forum who claimed that an open relationship can be a loving relationship. But, what do people mean when they claim a loving relationship? To demonstrate what love really is, let’s look at scripture.

    John 21:15-17
    When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.” Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you truly love me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.

    At first glance, this passage doesn't make sense. Why would Jesus ask the same question three time? When a message is translated into another language, the original meaning can get lost, so lets look at it using the original key words in Greek.

    When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon son of John, do you AGAPE me more than these?” “Yes, Lord,” he said, “you know that I PHILIO you.” Jesus said, “Feed my lambs.” Again Jesus said, “Simon son of John, do you AGAPE me?” He answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I PHILIO you.” Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.” The third time he said to him, “Simon son of John, do you PHILIO me?” Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, “Do you PHILIO me?” He said, “Lord, you know all things; you know that I PHILIO you.” Jesus said, “Feed my sheep.

    The Greek language uses three different words that are translated into the English word love. These are:
    EROS – erotic love
    PHILIO – brotherly love – Philadelphia comes from the Greek words PHILIO and DELPHIA – which means "brotherly love" and "city"
    AGAPE – all encompassing love

    So, we find that Jesus was testing Peter's depth of love for Him and Peter would only commit to brotherly love.

    FELLOW CHRISTIANS: This passage represents our calling to Christ. We are to take care of our brothers and sisters in the Lord. At times, we may need to utilize tough love to address a sin in their lives, but we need to be gentle about it at the same time. Titus reminds us of this concept. However, the use of tough love only applies to fellow Christians. It doesn't apply to non-Christians. The book of Jude reminds us that we have NO authority to chastise non-believers. This lack of authority to chastise does not mean that we must condone sinful behavior. Rather, we must stand firm in the faith and only use scriptures to support that position. We cannot accuse non-believers.

    Titus 3:1-2 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.

    Jude 1:9a But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him

    NON CHRISTIANS: While you may not accept the Bible as an authority, you can still learn some truths from it. This passage reveal that there are different types of love in the English vernacular. A couple could be committed to EROS love, but this won't carry the couple through difficult times. A couple could also be committed to PHILIO love, but even brothers will have a falling out occasionally. On the other hand, AGAPE love covers all failures and will endure until death. When I talk of love, this is the commitment level that I mean. Based upon the research that I've presented previously, heterosexual commitments are more likely to be AGAPE love than homosexual commitments. In my view, people desire AGAPE love, but too often substitute it for EROS or PHILIO love.

    January 27, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
    • Akira

      "There have been many people on this forum who claimed that an open relationship can be a loving relationship."
      Who has claimed this?
      I have never seen anyone claim this. Ever.

      January 27, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • Akira

      And , of course, none of this as anything to do with gay people wishing to be married, and being denied the right to do so.
      I realize that your post doesn't address this; however, it needs to be stated.

      January 27, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
    • Observer

      Scripture's view on love and the sanct-ity of marriage:

      – Deuteronomy 22:28 “If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and r@pes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels (about 1¼ pounds) of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.”

      No marriage for gays, but it's fine to force your slave to marry you.

      January 27, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • Akira

      I have the feeling this ius going the latest in L4H's c/p posts.
      It's nice that she figured out what love means...to her.

      January 27, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Akira : I have never seen anyone claim this [open relationship can be a loving]. Ever.

      myweightinwords has advanced such a claim and others have on this forum too. My point is that gay relationships that are longer than 2 years are almost always open relationships. And people have claimed that these "committed relationships" are loving.

      @Akira : And , of course, none of this as anything to do with gay people wishing to be married, and being denied the right to do so.

      People don't need a piece of paper saying they are married to be committed, so why do they need marriage? If gays get the tax benefits, why shouldn't other people living together get it?

      @Akira : I have the feeling this ius going the latest in L4H's c/p posts.

      Except when I quote research or similar articles, I only cut and paste my own work. And I will continue to c/p my own work.

      January 27, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
    • Observer


      Please explain why a guide to love and marriage that is so incredibly barbaric and heartless that it advocates forced marriage to a rapist without any possibility of divorce, should ever be used as a guide for ANYONE when it comes to relationships? There is ZERO credibility after that.

      January 27, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Observer : No marriage for gays, but it's fine to force your slave to marry you.

      You're talking without understanding the culture again. Do you know how much fifty shekels is worth in today's purchasing power? Obviously not.

      1 talent=60 mina=120 tartimar=750 uncia=1,500 sela=3,000 shekel== either 4,000 or 3,000 Italian issar=6,000 zuz (also called dinar) = 12,000 PROVINCIAL sela=24,000 perutah

      Coins in daily use were denarii (or zuz)


      A denarii is defined in the Bible as a day's wage.

      So, two thousand years ago, one shekel was equal to two days' wages. So, fifty shekels is worth 100 days of labor – which is the equivalent of about five months labor after you factor in the holidays and such. This is pretty expensive, given that it would normally cost less than 10 shekels to marry her outright. Do you have 5 months of salary (before taxes) laying around for this foolish haste?

      Next, you must marry the woman and you could not divorce her for life. And you can forget about abusing her during the marriage – because communities were different back then. You abuse her and her brothers pay you a visit. While you're healing, you have plenty of time to mull over how bad of a mess you've made of your life. In today's culture, there is no community to keep abusive people in line.

      January 27, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Observer : Please explain why

      I just did. You don't understand the culture back then. You're looking at it from the viewpoint of today's culture – one without a community to force people to mature (i.e. no abuse allowed).

      January 27, 2013 at 7:57 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Observer : Please explain why a guide to love and marriage

      I realize that you already know this since I've posted this to you previously, but...

      Deu 22:25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a girl pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.

      And since most women were pledged to be married by the time they were 15, the punishment would be death. In today's culture, this crime is rarely reported and often blamed on the woman. And you seem to prefer this culture

      January 27, 2013 at 8:03 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Observer :


      So, two thousand years ago, one shekel was equal to two days' wages.

      I forgot to factor in inflation too! I'm not as sure about this, but 3,400 years ago I think the shekel was equivalent to a week's salary (i.e. 6 days of work).

      January 27, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
    • Live4Him

      Well, I gotta go now! Bye

      January 27, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • Observer


      "You don't understand the culture back then."

      Good answer. God didn't say what he felt, he just wanted to be politically correct.

      Please try again.

      January 27, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
    • Observer


      "Do you know how much fifty shekels is worth in today's purchasing power? Obviously not."

      You are digging yourself into a bigger and bigger hole the more you talk. Your justification for the forced marriage of a r@pe victim is the value of the money PAID TO HER FATHER. The victim got r@ped, forced into a marriage without the possibility of a divorce, and a lifetime with her rapist and you support how this is handled. Absolutely pathetic..

      The good news is that you have calculated the LARGE amount of money HER FATHER got out of this. He's sort of an involuntary pimp who really made out well financially.

      So this makes your book on love and marriage even more barbaric, mind-numbingly unfair to the victim, and totally HEARTLESS. Great endorsement

      You went out of your way to calculate, with inflation, how well her father did from this. Not ONE WORD of sympathy or understanding for the terrorized VICTIM. Are you a typical Christian?

      January 27, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
    • Observer


      "And since most women were pledged to be married by the time they were 15,"

      It's really reassuring to know that most of the r@pe victims who were forced to marry their rapist were only 13 or 14 years old.

      You would have been better off not to answer. Your "justifications" just make the guide to love and marriage incredibly more barbaric and mindless.

      January 27, 2013 at 9:13 pm |
    • Akira

      My point is that gay relationships that are longer than 2 years are almost always open relationships. And people have claimed that these “committed relationships” are loving.

      This is a generalization you made using outdated data. Others have presented updated material that belies your data. And I have seen nobody claim that an open relationship is the same thing as a committed relationship. It's not. Except committed relationships are generally loving, and even a couple who have an open relationship can still love each other.

      People don’t need a piece of paper saying they are married to be committed, so why do they need marriage? If gays get the tax benefits, why shouldn’t other people living together get it?

      Anyone who wishes to be married should be able to. Period. Perhaps they believe that getting married is the highest level of commitment.

      Except when I quote research or similar articles, I only cut and paste my own work. And I will continue to c/p my own work.

      And good for you. You just confirmed what I wrote, didn't you?

      January 27, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
    • Akira

      L4H: Do you have 5 months of salary (before taxes) laying around for this foolish haste?

      Tell me again which penalty this is for: forcing your slave to marry you, or forcing a virgin girl to marry her rapist?

      January 27, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
    • Akira

      In today’s culture, this crime is rarely reported and often blamed on the woman. And you seem to prefer this culture."
      WHERE has Observer EVER indicated this??
      Because he finds that forcing women to marry their rapist is repugnant?
      Although the crime of rape is horrifically under-reported, accusing someone of tacitly agreeing with it is underhanded and really quite offensive.
      Was this your objective?
      Or do you really think that forcing a woman to marry her rapist and pay off her father the just thing to do today?

      January 27, 2013 at 10:29 pm |
    • ???????

      Boy glad you can't teach this shi-t according to courts no god(s) required

      January 28, 2013 at 7:09 am |
    • just wondering

      Might you be the same observer who was proved to be in total ignorance as to Biblical passages just a day ago?

      January 28, 2013 at 7:16 am |
    • Akira

      Just wondering, he posted verses verbatim from the Bible.
      If you have a problem with the verses, that is on you.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
  6. Bob

    Douglas below is desperate because he's been loosing the argument on the belief blog so he has to post it where ever he can in hopes people won't point out his continued lying.

    January 27, 2013 at 9:14 am |
  7. Douglas

    LGBTQ celibacy will deliver adherents from sin.

    Seeing is believing...it can happen..reach out and support strugglers.

    Be a change agent.

    January 26, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      It's stupid for LGBTQs to be celibate. It's not like they're christian teens risking pregnancy and a hushed abortion before they go back to their abstinence and anti-choice rallies.

      January 26, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Shut your trap, you old woman.

      January 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
    • Observer


      If you really cared about s-xual sins, you'd tell all the Christian HYPOCRITES that are adulterers through re-marriage that they should be celibate. It's all HYPOCRISY.

      January 26, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
    • Akira

      Cut the crap, Douglas.
      You are way too interested in homosexual sex, and always have been.
      Your anal fixiation is showing.

      January 26, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Hey Douglas. Need a change agent? There's a great clinic in Montreal for that. Look for Gender Reassignment Montreal.

      January 26, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • Douglas is the Roy Cohn of the Belief Blog

      So obsessed with gays . . .

      January 26, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • ¿¿lol

      A change agent? Are those the minions running around at a fashion show, getting in the way of your fabulous new dress by Carolina Herrera?

      January 26, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • Akira

      Tom Tom the Other one, he lives a mere 128 miles from Trinidad...he doesn't even need a passport.

      January 26, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
    • James

      "LGBTQ celibacy will deliver adherents from sin."

      The scriptures actually say nothing about homosexuality as a psychosexual orientation. Our understandings of sexual orientation are distinctly modern ones that were not present in the minds of Scripture writers. A few passages of Scripture (seven at the most) object to certain types of same-sex expressions or acts. The particular acts in question, however, are sexual expressions which are exploitative, oppressive, commercialized, or offensive to ancient purity rituals. There is no Scriptural guidance for same-sex relationships which are loving and mutually respecting. Guidelines for these relationships should come from the same general Scriptural norms that apply to heterosexual relationships.

      January 27, 2013 at 9:13 am |
  8. Observer

    just wondering,

    Yep. Run away, kid. Unable to provide any proof of your moronic claims, you're leaving.

    January 26, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
  9. Catholic hospital: fetus is not a person



    HYPOCRISY !!!!!!!

    (article on page 1 of cnn)

    January 26, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
    • the AnViL

      truly amazing.


      beyond the pale

      can't wait to see how this plays out.

      funny stuff

      January 26, 2013 at 7:07 pm |
    • Devoted Christian

      What hypocrisy? Bending the absolute laws of "god" when it profits them is so routine it might as well be a central Christian dogma in its own right. It's a standard Christian modus operandi, not hypocrisy. They are adhering to the "will of god" by NOT adhering to the "will of god." Jesus be praised!!!!!!

      January 26, 2013 at 7:12 pm |
  10. the AnViL

    FACT: no gods exist... none.
    FACT: all gods are imaginary.

    those who believe in an imaginary man in the sky are delusional.
    delusional thinking is a form of mental illness.

    those who suffer from delusional thinking should be prohibited from voting, serving on a jury, holding public office, purchasing or owning firearms or teaching public school.
    cha cha cha

    January 26, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      anvil, your handle brought this verse to mind.

      Luke 20:18
      Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

      January 26, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • the AnViL

      Robert Brown, your post brings this verse to mind:

      Tabari I:267 "And Allah taught Adam all the names as follows: He taught him the name of everything, down to fart and little fart."

      January 26, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
  11. YeahRight

    “For these men the term "monogamy" simply doesn't necessarily mean sexual exclusivity....The term "open relationship" has for a great many gay men come to have one specific definition: A relationship in which the partners have sex on the outside often, put away their resentment and jealousy, and discuss their outside sex with each other, or share sex partners.
    Michelangelo Signorile, Life Outside (New York: HarperCollins, 1997): 213”
    “A 2001” + “The 2003-2004”

    Typical Christians not using current material. I am quoting from 2013!

    And most currently - Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

    January 26, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • YeahRight

      Sorry this posted in the wrong place.

      January 26, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • Akira

      I agree; besides, no matter what one quotes, there is still absolutely no reason to deny civil marriage to gay people.
      The sex police need to give it a rest.

      January 26, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
  12. myweightinwords

    Live 4 Him,

    Below, you said I don't ever intend to rile a person, but I do want people to think things through. I try not to judge (after all, I'm one of the worst) nor tear them down. However, I DO want to draw a distinction between right and wrong, good and bad, helpful and harmful. Many people tend to do thing that harm them (usually emotionally) and do not see the connection between their actions and the consequences.

    The problem is, you don't define what is right and wrong for everyone. The civil law defines what is right and wrong for our country, and while your personal choices may be stricter than that, they are your personal choices.

    Your personal choices are based on you. On your life experiences, on what you believe. So are mine.

    January 26, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • Kevin Crossuck, Christian

      But the fun of being Christian is demanding people obey the Bible while you yourself conveniently ignore much of it's rules.

      January 26, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • TANK!!!!!

      "you don't define what is right and wrong for everyone. "

      You'll never be able to get a religious loon to understand that. Never.

      January 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
  13. Live4Him

    I'm heading out for now.

    January 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • Dennis

      Stay out for a very long time. Perhaps a long sea voyage, a few decades or more, with no access to communications, would suit.

      January 26, 2013 at 5:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Slow boat to China." Just a suggestion.

      January 26, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
    • Damocles

      Damn the slow boat stuff, take a fast boat to the horizon.

      January 26, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • Hmmmmmmmmmm . . .

      It's good you decided to come out of the closet.

      January 26, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
  14. Observer

    truth be told,

    Speaking of "proving you do not know what you are talking about", answer this question:

    The Bible is full of commands from God to kill women. Can you name ONE TIME that God actually gave a rip if the women to be killed were pregnant or not?

    January 26, 2013 at 11:35 am |
    • God101

      Whatever God commands is right and good.

      January 26, 2013 at 11:39 am |
    • Rick

      "Whatever God commands is right and good."

      Zeus commands that you sacrifice your son!

      January 26, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • God101

      God is real. Zeus is not. Zeus is not God.

      January 26, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • Rick

      Mithra demands you bow to him and sacrifice your son!

      January 26, 2013 at 11:50 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Proof of Zeus' non-existence?

      January 26, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • just wondering

      Have you checked the validity of your claims with the original languages?

      January 26, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • Observer

      just wondering,

      I just quote EXACTLY what the Bible says. If you keep insisting that the Bible is WRONG, take it up with the people who printed the LIES.

      January 26, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Kevin Crossuck, Christian

      "just wondering" is quite correct. Those Biblical rules that supposedly command you to kill women and your own children are just mistranslations. What is in Bibles as "put to death" is actually "give them a hearty handshake."

      They keep the old wording because they don't want to print up a new batch. And you must admit, it is a very convenient excuse to pretend the Bible doesn't say what it says.

      January 26, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
    • just wondering

      So you think the ancient Hebrews wrote in English then?
      Kind of explains why you are always wrong.

      January 26, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • Commenter

      just wondering:
      "So you think the ancient Hebrews wrote in English then?"

      So you think that a god actually told the ancient Hebrews what to write? No wonder you are always wrong.

      January 26, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • Observer

      just wondering
      "So you think the ancient Hebrews wrote in English then? Kind of explains why you are always wrong."

      Do you have a reading comprension problem? Where did I say that? The only one ignorant enough to say that was you.

      Always wrong? Every quote I made from the Bible was EXACTLY what it said. Why not read an English Bible sometime? You could stand to learn a lot.

      January 26, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
    • Observer

      typo: should be "comprehension"

      January 26, 2013 at 7:23 pm |
    • just wondering

      I have read an English Bible but am also smart enough to cross check the text with the original Hebrew BEFORE making wild as.sumptions and you quite apparently are not. I continue with the proven assertion that you are wrong and worse than that too ignorant to learn when corrected.

      January 26, 2013 at 7:43 pm |
    • Observer

      just wondering,

      Speaking of ignorant, what are your credentials as a Bibliical scholar?. Why do you pretend you know more than they do?

      This should be good.

      January 26, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
    • just wondering

      The point remains you are wrong and unwilling to learn, you are the one who made the false as.sumptions and still are not bright enough to realize that your wild claims are not substantiated in the original text. Fact is this has been pointed out to you repeatedly and you want to challenge someone else credibility? Conclusion :You are a proven and repeated liar.

      January 26, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
    • Observer

      just wondering,

      SO you have NO CREDENTIALS as a biblical scholar, but are ignorant enough to think you know more than hundreds of them. Wow! Lol.

      "You are a proven and repeated liar.". I have NEVER lied about anything. State your case or admit you are totally LYING

      January 26, 2013 at 9:16 pm |
    • just wondering

      Quit changing the subject it does not let you off or make you appear any smarter... it discredits you further, you have been proven to be totally ignorant of the Holy Bible, plain and simple. It was not written in English and you have been caught not just by me but by others.

      January 26, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
    • Observer

      just wondering,

      Zero credentials as a Biblical scholar. Totally unwilling or unable to back up slanderous claims. Delusional enough to claim you know more about translating the Bible than hundreds of Biblical scholars.

      You're not doing too well, kid.

      January 26, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • Damocles

      @just wondering

      I, too, find myself just wondering. If the english version says 'kill all the dudes, ra-pe all the women', what did it say originally? I mean, how far off could it have been? Did the original say 'give them hugs and kisses and ruffle the hair of the children'?

      January 26, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
    • just wondering

      As a believer and student of the Holy Bible I have every advantage over you. You remain wrong and have been called on your lies repeatedly by many people. You have been shown the error of your ways and are now very childishly attempting to hide your errors by reversing the challenge, that doesn't work anywhere. You are still exposed as a deliberate liar.

      January 26, 2013 at 9:57 pm |
    • Observer

      just wondering,

      Still waiting. Are you going to try to act like a man and supply proof of your mindless claims?

      Grow up.

      January 26, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
    • just wondering

      I believe I already have. It is now obvious to anyone but a card carrying moron that your ignorance knows no bounds. You are totally ignorant of the Word of God and twice as useless as you refuse knowledge. I leave you to revel in your stupidity.

      January 26, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      just wondering, you're leaving because you've been walloped, good and proper.

      January 26, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
    • Akira

      Just wondering, you haven't proven a thing; all you have done is metaphorically chant "liar, liar, pants on fire" without proving what the hell Observer is lying about.
      Probably because Observer hasn't.
      Observer gets the point in this round.
      You are one dishonest poetroll.

      January 27, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
  15. truth be told

    All so called atheists are liars, now read their comments in proper perspective.

    January 26, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • Live4Him

      True atheists cannot help but tell the truth.

      January 26, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "truth be told", but your repeated assertions regarding atheism are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your repeated unfounded assertions may represent truths is: "EPIC FAIL". Perhaps the following book can help you cope with the problem of repeating unfounded assertions:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...

      January 26, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • Pete

      "All so called atheists are liars,"

      more lies from the xtians – 151!

      January 26, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • truth be told

      Thanks to the replies that offer proof for my statements. first noting that all atheists are liars all the replies are shown for what they really are. Thanks again.

      January 26, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • Answer

      "Thanks to the replies that offer proof for my statements. first noting that all atheists are liars all the replies are shown for what they really are. Thanks again."

      Nah, you're just writing this crap so you can feel ok about your stupid comments and lies. Replies like this just show you're a troll.

      January 26, 2013 at 11:23 am |
    • Observer

      truth be told,

      "All so called atheists are liars"

      The Bible doesn't have nice things to say about people who spread lies like that. Ooops!

      January 26, 2013 at 11:40 am |
    • Urban Dictionary

      1. troll

      One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

      2. troll

      A member of an internet forum who continually harangues and harasses others.

      3. troll

      The waste of space posting as "truth be told" on cnn's Belief Blog

      January 26, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • Rational Libertarian


      You once did that "more lies from the xtians" under a post of mine. I would like it retracted and acknowledged in your count.

      January 26, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • just wondering

      How would you know what the Bible actually says about anything?

      January 26, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Observer

      just wondering,

      Why not read an English Bible sometime so you will finally HAVE A CLUE what it says? It's a good time to start reading one.

      January 26, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
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