Iran sentences U.S. pastor to 8 years in prison, group says
Saeed Abedini is shown here with his 4-year-old son.
January 27th, 2013
12:02 PM ET

Iran sentences U.S. pastor to 8 years in prison, group says

By the CNN staff

(CNN) - An Iranian judge has sentenced an American Christian pastor to eight years in prison after he was tried for his religious beliefs, a U.S.-based religious group said Sunday.

Saeed Abedini was swiftly sentenced by a member of the Islamic Republic's Revolutionary Court, according to the American Center for Law and Justice, an organization founded by television evangelist Pat Robertson.

CNN was not immediately able to confirm what went on in the court proceedings.

Abedini, who was born in Iran and now lives in Idaho, has been jailed in Iran since September, the group said.

"This is a real travesty - a mockery of justice," said Jordan Sekulow, executive director of the ACLJ, in a statement. "From the very beginning, Iranian authorities have lied about all aspects of this case, even releasing rumors of his expected release."

"Iran has not only abused its own laws, it has trampled on the fundamentals of human rights," added Sekulow, who represents Abedini's wife and children, who are in the U.S. "We call on the citizens of the world to rise up in protest. We call on governments around the world to stand and defend Pastor Saeed."

Abedini's trial began Monday when he and his attorney appeared in a Revolutionary Guard Court to address charges of attempting to undermine the Iranian government, the center said. His attorney apparently was shut out of some proceedings.

"We condemn Iran's continued violation of the universal right of freedom of religion and we call on the Iranian authorities to respect Mr. Abedini's human rights and release him," U.S. State Department spokesman Darby Holladay said in written statement.

The group contends that charges stem from Abedini's conversion to Christianity from Islam 13 years ago and his activities with home churches in Iran.

On Monday, the pastor gave the judge a written statement and was questioned by prosecutors and his defense lawyer, whom he met for the first time that day.

The judge in the case has faced sanctions by the European Union "because of his harsh sentences for those on trial for exercising a fundamental human right," the center said.

Naghmeh Abedini, the pastor's wife, said last week that a few laymen with the Christian church in Iran told her husband's attorney that they had been called to testify in the case.

She said that when she last spoke with her husband on January 9, he was resigned to a fate of remaining in prison.

The Iranian state-run news agency ISNA reported Monday that the pastor would soon be released on bail - which Naghmeh Abedini charged Tuesday was "clearly a lie."

Saeed Abedini has been arrested nearly 10 times in the past by the Iranian authorities, his wife said. The last time he had been held was in 2009, when he agreed to stop supporting home churches. He has taken nine trips to Iran, where he was born and where his parents live, since then.

His wife said he felt that it was safe to go back repeatedly because he had had no dealings with the authorities since he promised to stop working with Christian home services.

Once he even went with his wife and two children. He and Naghmeh are both converts to Christianity from Islam, and they received threats during the most recent family visit, so she took the children home. He returned to their home in Boise, Idaho, later.

Last summer, the pastor was on a bus that was crossing from Turkey into Iran. Immigration officials took away his passport and he was later put under house arrest. In September he was jailed, in the notorious Evin prison, while he awaited trial.

- kramsaycnn

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  1. Moscowjor

    If he gets out and goes back to the US, he needs to get smart and stay put. That means no going back to Iran

    January 27, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
  2. Bostontola

    Justice does not survive in a theocracy, good thing we are secular. Let people believe in their fantasies, just don't let the fantasies run the country.

    January 27, 2013 at 11:22 pm |
  3. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog:


    Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

    "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

    Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

    Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

    Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)(As do Biden and Ryan)

    The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

    Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

    For those in Iran who have access to CNN's Belief blog:

    The above translated into Persian the official language of Iran using Google Translate:

    و منفی بدنام فرشته همچنان به انتقام حماقت بر جهان

    جو اسمیت مورونی خود را. (به عنوان آیا M. رامنی)

    "واپسین روز دوم مانند M. رامنی نیز بر این باورند که مایکل فرشته آدم (اولین انسان) بود که او فانی، و جبرئیل را بر روی زمین به عنوان نوح زندگی می کردند."

    شاهدان یهوه عیسی / مایکل که جبرئیل فرشته فرشته، اولین موجود ایجاد شده توسط خدا؛

    محمد تا به حال جبرئیل خود را (این "قلع kerbell" در اطراف کردم).

    عیسی و خانواده اش / تا به حال مایکل، گابریل، و شیطان، و دومی که شیطان مدرن و روز مجنون. (به عنوان نشانی از BO و خانواده اش) (به عنوان انجام بایدن و رایان)

    اسطوره ابراهیم، موسی، فرشته خود را از مرگ و دیگر هیچ namers "را به انجام کار کثیف خود و یا سایر وظایف همه فن حریف است.

    محققان معاصر مربوط به کتاب مقدس و مذهبی این "خیلی wingie / بوق دمیدن thingies" به شمع اسطوره تنزل است. ما باید همان را شامل حذف تمام ارجاعات به آنها را راهنمای عمل دینی ما انجام دهد. انجام این کار به پیامبر (ص) / سود / پیشگویی وضعیت از این بنیانگذاران و از بین بردن قرار داده و آنها را در جایی که تعلق دارند از انسان ها به عنوان ساده درست مثل بقیه ما

    January 27, 2013 at 11:17 pm |


    January 27, 2013 at 11:12 pm |

    Islam must have no strong belief in their "religion" since all Islamic countries ban public displays of other religions.

    January 27, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
  6. larry5

    If he's not a Muslim then what rights would he have? He's not even considered a person.

    January 27, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
  7. Jihad Johnny

    Islam is the most intolerant political system on the face of the Earth. Hitler would be proud of what Islam has accomplished.

    January 27, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • Hindu false stinky pot Mithraism of false Judaism and false Islamic followers of Christ and Jebus

      And you think fundy Christians in the Bible belt in the US who fire, and shun anyone they find out is an atheist is more tollerant ? Hahaha.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:10 am |
  8. Edwin

    I understand he loved the country and its people... but having been arrested so many times in the past, he had to know he was risking his safety by coming in again.

    As deplorable as it is to jail someone for their religious beliefs, this isn't someone who was there through accident. He did understand the risks of entering a draconian and terrorist state.

    January 27, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
    • kelly

      I completely agree...when you have a wife and children...you should be more mindful of your actions regardless what it is that leave your family husbandless and fatherless...selfish

      January 27, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • JohnM

      It is an absolute outrage that this is the very first CNN has reported on this human rights violation of this American citizen. There is so much more to this story that CNN had denied its readers knowledge of. Anyone putting their opinion out on this issue without digging further into this story is simply a gullible, non-thinking idiot. It is also an outrage that neither our Secretary of State or our President did anything at all to prevent this, or even speak up for this man even one time. A travesty, absolute travesty!!

      January 27, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • JohnnyM is a bonehead

      Apparently, JohnnyM is OUTRAGED that CNN hasn't reported on this earlier. Could he have at least used the CNN search window to discover:


      And he calls others gullible and non-thinking idiots.

      BTW John-boy, if you're a missionary, you forfeit your life. But American Christians don't have the balls to be martyrs for their faith or their God

      January 27, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
    • gwf333


      I know, completely selfish. I can't believe he would risk not being near his family for something he felt was worthwhile and worth the risk. Who would do that? The same goes for all of our soldiers overseas ... a bunch of selfish cowards to be running away from their family and risking not coming back. They know the risk, why are they being so selfish by going to do that? .... THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? Because it's the same thing. Somebody risks not being with their family for some reason or cause. It seems you believe there is no good reason for that.

      On the other hand, perhaps there are reasons and causes and beliefs that people feel are worth the risk, worth the cost ... sure, nobody would want that outcome, but they live life and pursue beliefs and causes not based on possible outcomes and fears of risks, but they take risks for what they believe. It's a true passion and SELFLESSNESS there that it seems you know nothing about.

      He didn't purposefully abandon his family, or willfully. He lived for something he believed in, and he is being punished for it. Why are you criticizing this man here who is the victim of the intolerance and prejudice in Iran? Are you always so quick to criticize people like that? You probably also believe that Martin Luther King was selfish for continuing his crusade against prejudice in the U.S., knowing full well it could get him killed. Do you think MLK was selfish too?

      I could go on with examples, but perhaps you should examine your life and your purposes. Don't criticize victims of intolerance and prejudice, criticize those who are intolerant and prejudice. It's selfish and short-sighted of you to do so.

      January 27, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
    • Hindu false stinky pot Mithraism of false Judaism and false Islamic followers of Christ and Jebus

      A travesty she squeeked. A travesty I tell you.
      He knew what he was doing, and that it was dangerous. You pays your money, and takes your chance. He lost.
      Besides, Jebus will save him. Right ?
      Pray. Oh wait.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:23 am |
  9. shyboski

    Anything that Pat Robertson or his organization "claims" is bound to be a lie.
    CNN your headline is biased as you claim what Robertson claims as a fact in your headline.
    That is poor journalism.
    If your lie is true, then there are many many Iranian Jews and Christians living there... why aren't they there tried?

    Perhaps there is more to the story such as the guy being tried for spying etc.

    January 27, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
    • John117

      spoken like a true terrorist

      January 27, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
    • Fifth Eagle of the Discount Carpet Store

      They only get executed or thrown in jail if they share their faith with people, not for being a Christian. If you are a Christian that doesn't speak openly about your faith, then you won't get thrown in jail or executed, unless your muslim neighbor accuses you of defaming the Koran. So you see, living in Iran as a Christian is just like living here, everyone is happy!

      I have a Palestinian friend who is a muslim, and claims to be very progressive and non-violent. I asked him about pastor Nadarkhani, whether he should be executed for telling people about Jesus. To my surprise, my friend said yes, that converting people from their religion is wrong and should not be tolerated. This man is a moderate muslim pursuing a PhD in engineering. WAKE UP, AMERICA! MUSLIMS WANT US DEAD OR CONVERTED, THERE IS NO TOLERANCE IN THEIR HEARTS FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN MUSLIMS!

      January 27, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
  10. nick


    January 27, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • TANK!!!!


      I see this sort of chauvinism is present in the irreligious as well. Sad.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
    • John117

      then explain creation without any theories, show what actually happened hmmm

      January 27, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • Hindu false stinky pot Mithraism of false Judaism and false Islamic followers of Christ and Jebus

      John, you an'al retentives that NEED all the answers today OR ELSE you will cook up a god and make up an answer are SO f'ing juvenile. How about "we don't know yet ?" Grow up. Provide some evidence for a god. If there was one, she could have made a race of universe makers. How do you know it's not a 16th generation universe maker. She is omnipotent right ? She could do that if she were omnipotent.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:26 am |
  11. purplechum

    Although I can't understand why a Muslim would want to go backwards and regress in religion, this fundamentally violates the Koran. "There shall be no compulsion in religion" the Prophet declared. If anyone wants to change their beliefs to or from Islam, Muhammed taught that no one has the right to question that choice nor to in any way pressure the person to recant that decision.

    January 27, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      "regress in religion"

      I'll be laughing about that one for weeks to come.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • Grace

      Well unfortunately, Muhammed does not govern the United States of America or enforce any laws anywhere in the world.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
  12. guest

    Anyone who touch the hair of his body is going to pay for it. Either in this life or damned for eternal hell fire. This is one of the reason hell was created. All those Shariah's out there better know there is pay back. You will really know who God really is and if there is a God who can kick Allah's back.

    People in Orissa/India killed one missionary and his family, the very next year , the flood killed 10000 of them. Wait and see.

    January 27, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
    • Lorena

      This is precisely why I dont believe in a vengeful skygod, the likes of the one you serve. He seems as bloodthirsty as the children he created. How very sad.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      You are stupid.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • guest

      Lorena, I would think you are a female. Do you know how complex is the body of a female is? So, you think you came from monkeys?

      January 27, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I started to reply to your original idiocy, but now you've outdone yourself, guest. You are a moron.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      Again, you are stupid.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      ". Do you know how complex is the body of a female is? So, you think you came from monkeys?"

      Humans did not come FROM monkeys. We are distant cousins on the primate tree. How about if you go study the physiology and biology of monkeys and other primates... guess what you're gonna find?

      January 27, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • guest

      Lack of words Tom? Sticking to name calling? Why don't you tell me what part of the post do you disagree and why? Because if you think the earth just came from nowhere and placed just far away from the sun and gives you NO light just for the time you can sleep so that you can get your brain can get back to normal? If it is any closer to earth, life would impossible to be on earth. Is this all just by chance Tom? Is there a God who cares about people? You ask yourself? If he does, don't you think he cares for that are his?

      January 27, 2013 at 10:35 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      It is simply shocking that such a person could possess such low levels of reasoning ability. Absolutely shocking.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • guest

      Educate me TANK. You seem to be very intelligent but you have not hardly said anything. Who put the earth on a 23 degree angle? Ask the scientists what happens if it is not 23? Come on educate me.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      Look at the silly, baseless assumption behind your inane questions. Then you will know why any attempt at rational discourse with a half-wit such as yourself could only be futile.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot


      If things were different, we probably wouldn't be here as we are, or maybe at all. You know what, though, maybe a different type of beings would be here - maybe even better ones, with stronger bodies, longer life spans, better resistance to disease, with larger, more complex brains with which to figure stuff out.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • M.Delroba

      You r so sick .

      January 27, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      p.s. oh yeah, and the planet might even be a lot better too, with more stable geological factors and climate.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
    • nobody in particular

      Guest: How do you explain that when a person dies he/she still lives? Please read Gen 2:7 and then ask yourself what a soul is. BYW, soul, spiritbrew, breath and a living being are inturpeted from the same Hebrew word. (hint: you are a soul, you don't have a soul.)

      January 27, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
    • guest

      TANK, I don't think you have said anything intelligent to convince me that bible is wrong. I happen to be a very rational Christian who out there to learn but God himself proclaims "Fool says in his heart, there is no God.". Look at you. All these years of advancement, we couldn't even hardly reach one of the planets on our galaxy. There are many galaxies out there and you are going to make me believe that your science can answer all these things. I am not the moron. I think you are. A fool.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
    • nobody in particular

      Opps! excuse the typos

      January 27, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      " God himself proclaims "Fool says in his heart, there is no God.".

      Are you SURE that a god said that... and not just some old, fantasizing Middle Eastern Hebrew men?

      It's a quite old and sometimes effective tactic – declaring that those who do not believe your story are 'fools'. Nobody wants to be considered 'dumb' for not seeing the Emperor's new clothes, or a 'bas.tard' for not seeing the Sultan's new turban, or a 'cuckold' for not being able to see the Miller's gold thumb.

      Even Joseph Smith used it when he gathered his 'witnesses' to his golden plates. He told them that only those with 'true faith' would be able to 'see' them.

      The ancient, primitive Hebrews who originated those Bible stories were quite adept at manipulative mind-games.

      January 27, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • guest

      "A Frayed Knot". I do not believe in any cults. I believe in one God who loves the world, gave freedom to all, put the universe in motion. I don't think bible is made up. There is enough evidence there to prove it. Scientist tried to disprove it but their theories most of the are more flawed than anything else. The question is, is He going to cause the life of this pastor to get more people to know Him or is he going to take revenge on the ones who torture him? As far as I know, this man has not done any harm to anyone except for preaching the gospel. That law is above any other law. He is more or less like the MLK of Iran if I can say so in terms of religious freedom. World has changed. There are very few places on earth, there are no liberty or justice. That will change if God intervenes. I am sure of it.

      January 27, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
    • ProudAtheist

      @Guest: The argument that you're making is that the universe is fine-tuned for life. However, if that were the case, then there would be life on all of our surrounding planets. Since we have no discovered life on other planets yet, it's safe to say that the universe is NOT fine-tuned.

      Life must be rare within our universe, because thus far, the only planet of which we know that supports life is Earth. However, do you truly believe that an intelligent god would build an endless, expansive universe and only choose to create life on Earth? That's absurd.

      There are billions of galaxies within our universe, and each galaxy contains billions of stars, as well as planets revolving around those stars. With that said, a galaxy would be equivalent to a grain of sand on a beach, and our planet would be equivalent to a subatomic particle, the smallest particle in existence. Why, oh why, would God care about creating life only on this speck within our universe?

      If you can answer that question with "I don't know but I'll think about it," then you are well on your way toward enlightenment. Take off your faith goggles; they're blinding you from seeing reason and logic.

      January 27, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
  13. 1amazed2u

    Amen to the highest.

    January 27, 2013 at 10:06 pm |
  14. Fearfighter

    Its not crazy to believe or disbelieve in GOD, what is crazy is not to believe in LOVE because at the source of ALL is LOVE!!

    January 27, 2013 at 10:06 pm |
  15. queenbee9

    This pastor made a mockery of American justice by presuming our justice extending beyond the United States. Knowing the rules in Iran–why o why did this man go to Iran? Tell me he is not a media hound who hopes to become famous by being another Democratic Penal Martyr...

    January 27, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
  16. Jacko86

    This is news?

    January 27, 2013 at 9:53 pm |
  17. Mohamiss Shafique-Kaddir

    There is freedom from disbelief in Islam . This man mocked Allah and the Shariah . America has laws and you are expected to obey them . Iran has Shariah law , and Iranians are expected to obey . This man broke that devine law , Shariah , and now has to pay the penalty for it . If you are not a Muslim , you have no right to judge Islam . God's law is above man's law , the Shariah is the devine and perfect law of God , Allah . If you offend and mock Islam , expect Allah revenge upon you .

    January 27, 2013 at 9:53 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      There is no God. There is no Allah. It's all nonsense.

      January 27, 2013 at 9:59 pm |
    • ProudAtheist

      When Muslims are slaying innocent people, all in the name of Allah, then non-Muslims have every right in the world to judge Muslims. BTW, fu ck Allah and his ped ophile prophet Moo hamad!

      January 27, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
    • BJ

      You, sir, are an idiot. Sharia law is a JOKE!

      January 27, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
    • dave wiant

      Oh boy one of Pat Robersons boys whent down to bad.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
    • Hindu false stinky pot Mithraism of false Judaism and false Islamic followers of Christ and Jebus

      Pi'ss on your Al-Ilah. It's a moon god cult. What ? You never read the Satanic Verses ? Even your prophet Mo made mistakes. You hide it, but why do you have a crescent moon on all your flags ? Because Islam is all a moon god cult. Al-Ihal was the crescent phase of the moon god "Sin". All of Mo's family worshiped the moon god. So do you.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:14 am |
    • Hindu false stinky pot Mithraism of false Judaism and false Islamic followers of Christ and Jebus

      How about all the contradictions in the Babble ? They can't be true both ways. Either Jebus died on the day of Preparation, or a=on the day of Passover. Which one. The gospels conflict. Did he give a speech during the trial ?, (which never happened). Or was he silent. Which was it ? Who was first at the tomb ? Why did the first version of Mark have no resurrection ? Why did James never mention it ? If your brother rose from the dead, would you forget to talk about it ?

      January 28, 2013 at 12:29 am |
    • Hindu false stinky pot Mithraism of false Judaism and false Islamic followers of Christ and Jebus

      Islam is all a lie. Mo never existed.


      January 28, 2013 at 1:23 am |
    • Ex-Islamist

      Sharia Law a'sserts dominion over non-believers, unlike ANY other religion. Be VERY afraid of anyone who tries to shove Sharia down your throat. They want to take your rights away, and MAKE you worship their god, or they will kill you. And they think their fool god will reward them for it. Peace be upon him. What a joke.

      January 28, 2013 at 1:37 am |
    • DP

      Thats the problem right there... Sharia law is not the law of God. The Messiah does not follow sharia law. Jesus believed in the Torah and the prophets. Mosaic law IS NOT sharia law. Non of the islamic rituals existed in judiasm. They come from arab paganism. The same paganism muhammad followed before he recieved his.revelation from the fallen one

      January 28, 2013 at 5:21 am |
  18. Robert Brown

    For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,

    Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory,

    to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith;

    that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth,

    and length, and depth, and height; And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge,

    that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

    Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think,

    according to the power that worketh in us, Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages,

    world without end. Amen.

    (Eph 3:14-21)

    January 27, 2013 at 9:49 pm |
    • Peteyroo

      BobClown, you're nuts. There is no God. It's nonsense. Why do you believe such crap? BTW, there are no unicorns or leprechauns either.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:01 pm |
    • 1amazed2u


      January 27, 2013 at 10:05 pm |
    • ProudAtheist

      Why on Earth do you believe anything that the nonsensical book claims? You believe that the bible is the word of God because the bible says that it's the word of God, and that is the worst reason imaginable to believe that the bible is God's word, especially when you consider all of the scientifically refutable and immoral verses contained within it.

      Take off your faith goggles, because they're blinding you. Reason and logic will set you free.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:06 pm |
    • Robert Brown


      You are deceived, lost, and blind. Wake up! God is real. How could I not believe. I have been born again. It is a free gift, available even to you, someone who would deny his existence. Go figure.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
    • Robert Brown


      Praise God!

      January 27, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
    • Robert Brown


      What in the word of God is scientifically refutable?

      Immoral to who, you?

      God says come let us reason together. He will free you from your sin.

      There is something about nature that is much more striking and inexplicable than its design. All scientific, inductive reasoning is based on the as.sumption of the regularity, the laws, of nature, that water will boil tomorrow under the identical conditions of today. The method of induction requires generalizing from observed cases of the same kind. Without inductive reasoning we couldn't learn from experiences, we couldn't use language, we couldn't rely on our memories. Most people find that normal and untroubling. But not philosophers! David and Bertrand Russel, as good secular men, were troubled by the fact that we haven't got the slightest idea of why nature-regularity is happening now, and moreover we haven't the slightest rational justification for as.suming it will continue tomorrow. If someone would say, "Well the future has always been like the past," Hume and Russell reply that you are assuming the very thing you are trying to establish. To put it another way, science cannot prove the continued regularity of nature, it can only take it by faith. There have been many scholars in that last decades who argued that modern science arose in its most sustained form out of Christian civilization because of its belief in a all-powerful, personal God who created and sustains an orderly universe. As a proof for the existence of God, the regularity of nature is escapable. I can always say, "We don't know why things are as they are." As a clue for God, however, it is helpful. I can surely say, "We don't know why nature is regular, it just is. That doesn't prove God." If I don't believe in God, not only is this profoundly inexplicable, but I have no basis for believing that nature will go on regularly, but I continue to use inductive reasoning and language. Of course this clue actually doesn't prove God. It is rationally avoidable. However, the cu.mulative effect is, I think, provocative and potent. The theory that there is a God who made the world accounts for the evidence we see better than the theory that there is no God. – McKenzie

      By the way, pride is at the top of God’s sin list.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
    • Exactly

      Bow your knees to me. For I am the almighty god your lord and you will see that I am also the second son of god.

      January 27, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
    • Exactly

      ProudAthiest-you are dealing with something called a tautology. The bible is considered right because it is right and cannot be questioned by christians. Mr. Brown gets a free ride to salvation because he suddenly believes.

      January 27, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • SHrUb...gOd wIlls iT,,,,

      well Bob

      you ask what is scientifically refutable about God's word?

      lets start with the Flood... geological records do not show ANY evidence of a worldwide flood..certainly not in the time frame creationists use. Sealife would have been virtually destroyed by such a sudden and massive drop in salinity....

      Biologically,all humans would be suffering from from the same diseases as the egyptian pharoahs due to inbreeding (hemophilia , many more birth defects) as we started from just a pair or, in the case of the food, a couple pairs..from the same family.

      and then theres the timeline..... the tribes of Israel appeared rather late on the scene...several other cultures had already been function for thousands of years (egypt, sumaria/babylon).

      January 27, 2013 at 11:01 pm |
    • Hindu false stinky pot Mithraism of false Judaism and false Islamic followers of Christ and Jebus

      Thanks for quoting the founder of Christianity. Paul of Tarsus.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:17 am |
  19. allen


    January 27, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • Akira


      January 27, 2013 at 9:43 pm |
  20. Theamology

    What is also so sad about all of this is that the entire culture is blinded by a belief in a God who has never existed. Children are compelled to believe and the blindness continues, generation after generation. The result is the denial of human rights to all of the people, especially women and children, all in the name of scriptures that are based on fallacies.

    If God exists, then all of us can see the decisions of God. It is from the simple observation of the decisions of God that we can learn about the character of God. We learn that God is very beautiful and benevolent in nature and that God has no interest in worship or even belief.

    So, these scriptures, the Bible, Quran, Torah, all of them, they never had any validity whatsoever with regard to the nature and character of God. This is easy to see if you simply close the book and observe the creation to see the decisions of God that everyone else can plainly see.

    January 27, 2013 at 9:37 pm |
    • Fearfighter

      Its not crazy to believe or disbelieve in GOD, what is crazy is not to believe in LOVE because at the source of ALL is LOVE!!

      January 27, 2013 at 10:05 pm |
    • Hindu false stinky pot Mithraism of false Judaism and false Islamic followers of Christ and Jebus

      So now, human emotions are the source of all ? 100 years ago, love was a virtue, not a god. Amazing how Hollywood changes the world.

      January 28, 2013 at 12:19 am |
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