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Iran sentences U.S. pastor to 8 years in prison, group says
Saeed Abedini is shown here with his 4-year-old son.
January 27th, 2013
12:02 PM ET

Iran sentences U.S. pastor to 8 years in prison, group says

By the CNN staff

(CNN) - An Iranian judge has sentenced an American Christian pastor to eight years in prison after he was tried for his religious beliefs, a U.S.-based religious group said Sunday.

Saeed Abedini was swiftly sentenced by a member of the Islamic Republic's Revolutionary Court, according to the American Center for Law and Justice, an organization founded by television evangelist Pat Robertson.

CNN was not immediately able to confirm what went on in the court proceedings.

Abedini, who was born in Iran and now lives in Idaho, has been jailed in Iran since September, the group said.

"This is a real travesty - a mockery of justice," said Jordan Sekulow, executive director of the ACLJ, in a statement. "From the very beginning, Iranian authorities have lied about all aspects of this case, even releasing rumors of his expected release."

"Iran has not only abused its own laws, it has trampled on the fundamentals of human rights," added Sekulow, who represents Abedini's wife and children, who are in the U.S. "We call on the citizens of the world to rise up in protest. We call on governments around the world to stand and defend Pastor Saeed."

Abedini's trial began Monday when he and his attorney appeared in a Revolutionary Guard Court to address charges of attempting to undermine the Iranian government, the center said. His attorney apparently was shut out of some proceedings.

"We condemn Iran's continued violation of the universal right of freedom of religion and we call on the Iranian authorities to respect Mr. Abedini's human rights and release him," U.S. State Department spokesman Darby Holladay said in written statement.

The group contends that charges stem from Abedini's conversion to Christianity from Islam 13 years ago and his activities with home churches in Iran.

On Monday, the pastor gave the judge a written statement and was questioned by prosecutors and his defense lawyer, whom he met for the first time that day.

The judge in the case has faced sanctions by the European Union "because of his harsh sentences for those on trial for exercising a fundamental human right," the center said.

Naghmeh Abedini, the pastor's wife, said last week that a few laymen with the Christian church in Iran told her husband's attorney that they had been called to testify in the case.

She said that when she last spoke with her husband on January 9, he was resigned to a fate of remaining in prison.

The Iranian state-run news agency ISNA reported Monday that the pastor would soon be released on bail - which Naghmeh Abedini charged Tuesday was "clearly a lie."

Saeed Abedini has been arrested nearly 10 times in the past by the Iranian authorities, his wife said. The last time he had been held was in 2009, when he agreed to stop supporting home churches. He has taken nine trips to Iran, where he was born and where his parents live, since then.

His wife said he felt that it was safe to go back repeatedly because he had had no dealings with the authorities since he promised to stop working with Christian home services.

Once he even went with his wife and two children. He and Naghmeh are both converts to Christianity from Islam, and they received threats during the most recent family visit, so she took the children home. He returned to their home in Boise, Idaho, later.

Last summer, the pastor was on a bus that was crossing from Turkey into Iran. Immigration officials took away his passport and he was later put under house arrest. In September he was jailed, in the notorious Evin prison, while he awaited trial.

- kramsaycnn

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  1. Just another case of self inflicted martyrdom

    ..

    January 29, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
    • lol??

      Is that related to, "Blame the victim."?

      January 29, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
  2. Burt

    abraham and moses didn't exist? ok then you were dropped off by a space ship, because I garuntee you can prove that your family has a history past ten generations. but you say Abraham and Moses didnt exist. but your family didnt exist past your records? and we do have records for Moses and Abraham? that seems really stupid if you ask me.

    January 29, 2013 at 9:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Did that make sense when you wrote it?

      January 29, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Other than the steaming pile of crap known as The Babble, what evidence is there for Moses or Abraham?

      January 29, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
    • lol??

      You came to the wrong place, Ace. Now run along and buy the shovel that you have been coveting.

      January 29, 2013 at 9:43 pm |
    • End Religion

      @Blurt: Get your DNA tested a NatGeo, no god or bible necessary.
      https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/

      January 29, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
  3. Bob

    This is god's will. LOL

    January 29, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
  4. Aldewacs

    A word here from an atheist.

    There have been several posts that alluded to atheists 'being WITH Iran and AGAINST Christianity'. That's just the usual Christian persecution complex talking.

    Atheists are not convinced that there is any proof of the existence of any gods. **ANY** gods. That’s all that really defines them. That includes the gods of Iran and all other countries from A... to Z... To look for a connection between atheism and Iran or any other theocracy or belief system, is being disingenuous, unless your hatred for the religion-free population is blinding you.

    As to the condition that Saeed Abedini finds himself in, regrettably he should not be surprised (and it sounds like he isn’t). While it would be better if Iran (and other countries) allowed people full freedom of speech, and freedom of choosing any religion, remember that any religion would like to have a monopoly and dictate their rules. There are enough examples of that over the centuries. It is only in recent centuries and even decades that religions in the West have been forced (yes forced) to extend those freedoms to others, after long fought battles by secular people (including many believers, BTW). Iran still has the power to dictate their religious delusions to its population, and one has to hope and trust that the Iranian people will eventually reject that and choose freedom from the mandatory religious yoke.

    Atheists would generally prefer to see that Iran (et al) back away from the religious extremism and allow people to think for themselves. That, of course, is the enemy of all religions, (and they all deny it): independent thought is the enemy of religion, where blind obedience is expected and enforced to the maximum extent that the local rules as agreed between the dominant religion and the local government, allow.

    With the freedom to choose a religion, it is the hope of atheists that freedom FROM religion will be firmly established. That also means that proselytizing and trying to convert people is not welcomed by all people.
    It may also mean that
    ** children should not be forcefully converted before they are of an age where they can make an informed decision.
    ** religious dogma of ANY kind should not be forced onto a population via laws (Islamic Sharia or the Christian equivalent).
    ** religious claims should be subjected to the Truth in Advertizing laws that other sales people must adhere to.

    Atheists are on the side of secularists in the battle against those impositions. Remember that atheists could care less what a believer beliefs – but they care a great deal when those beliefs impact non willing participants. In the absence of the threats that religion routinely poses against true freedoms, atheists would barely be noticed or known to exist.

    However, that genie has escaped the bottle – atheists are becoming more demanding that their rights must be protected no less than those of religious believers. The time has come to stop bashing non believers, but regrettable that does not seem to be in the cards without some skirmishes.

    Meanwhile, Iran is abusing the human rights of Saeed Abedini by exercising their religious state rights. It’s almost like Karma but of the sad kind, and certainly not something that your average atheist would rejoice in.

    January 29, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
  5. johnelderrobisonfan

    Ephesians 1 :1~15
    Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

    2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

    7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

    9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

    10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

    12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

    15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

    January 29, 2013 at 8:40 am |
    • Melchizadek

      Thank you so much for your posts. Keep it up . We all need it

      January 29, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
  6. johnelderrobisonfan

    ACTS:27 (KJV) – And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.
    And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled. But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
    And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
    And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
    And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
    And when it was day, the magistrates sent the serjeants, saying, Let those men go.
    And the keeper of the prison told this saying to Paul, The magistrates have sent to let you go: now therefore depart, and go in peace.But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, being Romans, and have cast us into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out.
    And the serjeants told these words unto the magistrates: and they feared, when they heard that they were Romans.
    And they came and besought them, and brought them out, and desired them to depart out of the city.
    And they went out of the prison, and entered into the house of Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.

    January 29, 2013 at 8:22 am |
  7. andrew

    John 15:18-27
    New International Version (NIV)
    The World Hates the Disciples

    18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’[a] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’[b]

    The Work of the Holy Spirit

    26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

    January 28, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
    • End Religion

      "Abrahamic Monotheism is an evolutionary coping mechanism that has outlived its purpose and is now akin to an infected appendix" – Mason

      January 29, 2013 at 2:18 am |
  8. Lions:1, christians:0

    .

    January 28, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
    • MPawesome-o

      too bad religious freedom isnt worth as much as oil/

      January 28, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • andrew

      1 Peter 5:8
      New International Version (NIV)
      8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
    • andrew

      1 Peter 5:8

      8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

      Those people who work at that prison arent very nice and the cells are barely big enough to lay down.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
    • End Religion

      andrew, did you do a lot of laying in prison?

      January 29, 2013 at 2:20 am |
    • andrew

      artacle in the prisen on Irianain tortur

      January 29, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • Aldewacs

      @ Andrew: ": "artacle in the prisen on Irianain tortur"
      The smallest words (in, the, on) are spelled correctly. The rest, not so much. But keep practicing, OK?

      January 29, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
  9. Family

    Jesus Prays for Himself

    17 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should[a] give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. 3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

    Jesus Prays for His Disciples

    6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.

    9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them. 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me,[b] that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world,[c] I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept;[d] and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth. 18 As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also may be sanctified by the truth.

    Jesus Prays for All Believers

    20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

    24 “Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

    January 28, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • End Religion

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsKO_r76kfQ&w=640&h=360]

      January 29, 2013 at 2:24 am |
    • bill

      @ end religion. I love you brother. I really do.

      January 29, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • lol??

      Didn't Barney get busted for conduct unbecoming? He sure messed up the Masters' finances.

      January 29, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
  10. Brampt

    Though I hope nothing happens to the guy, or to any other person, unfortunately he looked for the situation he is in right now. Under persecution Christ never incentivated he's follower to seek situation that would put any of his followers life in danger, he simply said: Matt 10:23 "23When they persecute ​YOU​ in one city, flee to another;" For ex: Rome in the first Century killed Christians, today Roman empiour is no more there's freedom if religion in Italy!

    January 28, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • dale

      well what haopened to the disciples and why?

      January 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm |
    • Bill

      Matthew 16:24-28
      New King James Version (NKJV)
      Take Up the Cross and Follow Him

      24 Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. 25 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it. 26 For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 “Asuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

      January 28, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
    • Reality

      Some contemporary NT scholars have concluded that Matt 16: 24-28 (Mark 8:34 = Matt 16:24 = Luke 9:23)
      is historically nil whereas some believe that it is authentic. http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb044.html

      January 28, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • Reality

      Matt 10:23 is a single attestation found no where else in the scriptures and therefore is historically nil. e.g. http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb405.html and Professor Gerd Ludemann's conclusions in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 167-168.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
    • End Religion

      This endearing passage indoctrinates christian cultists into accepting slavery because their slaves are supposed to "serve them as they would christ." Sounds like slavery is a pretty sweet deal for cultists, eh? If god didn't think it was good and proper, why would he instruct the slave on how to behave for the cultist?

      "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

      -
      There are several helpful passages which instruct christian cultists in the proper way to handle their slaves – even their own daughters! Why give instructions unless a cultist is expected to own slaves? God wants to be sure you're fully prepped for human subjugation. How thoughtful of him!

      "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

      "When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

      January 29, 2013 at 2:29 am |
    • julie

      John 1:1-14
      King James Version (KJV)
      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      2 The same was in the beginning with God.

      3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

      4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

      5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

      6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

      7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

      8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

      9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

      10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

      11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

      12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

      13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

      14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

      January 29, 2013 at 11:43 am |
    • Reality

      The Ephesians epistle was not written by Paul but by a pseudo Paul so there is no divine revelation or inspiration in any part of said book.

      As best we know, there was no Moses or Exodus.

      And finally, John's gospel and epistles are basically historically inauthentic.

      Added details available upon written request.

      January 29, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
  11. Reality

    And for the Iranian members of this blog:

    From the studies of Armstrong, Rushdie, Hirsi Ali, Richardson and Bayhaqi----–

    The Five Steps To Deprogram 1400 Years of Islamic Myths:

    ( –The Steps take less than two minutes to finish- simply amazing, two minutes to bring peace and rationality to over one billion lost souls- Priceless!!!)

    Are you ready?

    Using "The 77 Branches of Islamic "faith" a collection compiled by Imam Bayhaqi as a starting point. In it, he explains the essential virtues that reflect true "faith" (iman) through related Qur’anic verses and Prophetic sayings." i.e. a nice summary of the Koran and Islamic beliefs.

    The First Five of the 77 Branches:

    "1. Belief in Allah"

    aka as God, Yahweh, Zeus, Jehovah, Mother Nature, etc. should be added to your self-cleansing neurons.

    "2. To believe that everything other than Allah was non-existent. Thereafter, Allah Most High created these things and subsequently they came into existence."

    Evolution and the Big Bang or the "Gi-b G-nab" (when the universe starts to recycle) are more plausible and the "akas" for Allah should be included if you continue to be a "crea-tionist".

    "3. To believe in the existence of angels."

    A major item for neuron cleansing. Angels/de-vils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hitt-ites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ug-ly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we would classify angels as f–airies and "tin–ker be-lls". Modern de-vils are classified as the de-mons of the de-mented.

    "4. To believe that all the heavenly books that were sent to the different prophets are true. However, apart from the Quran, all other books are not valid anymore."

    Another major item to delete. There are no books written in the spirit state of Heaven (if there is one) just as there are no angels to write/publish/distribute them. The Koran, OT, NT etc. are simply books written by humans for humans.

    Prophets were invented by ancient scribes typically to keep the un-educated masses in line. Today we call them for-tune tellers.

    Prophecies are also invali-dated by the natural/God/Allah gifts of Free Will and Future.

    "5. To believe that all the prophets are true. However, we are commanded to follow the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings
    be upon him) alone."

    Mohammed spent thirty days "fasting" (the Ramadan legend) in a hot cave before his first contact with Allah aka God etc. via a "pretty wingy thingy". Common sense demands a neuron deletion of #5. #5 is also the major source of Islamic vi-olence i.e. turning Mohammed's "fast, hunger-driven" hallu-cinations into horrible reality for unbelievers.

    Walk these Five Steps and we guarantee a complete recovery from your Islamic ways!!!!

    Unfortunately, there are not many Muslim commentators/readers on this blog so the "two-minute" cure is not getting to those who need it. If you have a Muslim friend, send him a copy and help save the world.

    Analogous steps are available at your request for deprogramming the myths of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Paganism..

    And the above in Persian, the official language of Iran:

    از مطالعات آرمسترانگ، رشدی، هیرزی علی، ریچاردسون و بیهقی ----–

    پنج مرحله برای Deprogram 1400 سال اسطوره اسلامی:

    (مراحل را در کمتر از دو دقیقه به پایان برساند به سادگی شگفت انگیز، دقیقه 2 را به صلح و عقلانیت را به بیش از یک میلیارد از دست رفته روح بی بها!)

    آیا شما آماده هستید؟

    با استفاده از "به 77 شاخه از اسلام" ایمان "مجموعه ای امام بیهقی به عنوان یک نقطه شروع وارد شده و در آن، او توضیح می دهد که فضائل ضروری است که منعکس کننده واقعی" ایمان "(ایمان) از طریق آیات قرآنی و احادیث نبوی است." یعنی خلاصه خوبی از اعتقادات اسلامی و قرآن است.

    پنج از 77 شعب:

    "1. اعتقاد به خدا"

    نام دیگر به عنوان خدا، یهوه، زئوس، یهوه، مادر طبیعت، و غیره باید به پاکسازی سلول های عصبی خود شما اضافه شده است.

    »(2) بر این باورند که همه چیز غیر از خدا وجود نداشت. پس از آن، بالا ترین خدا این چیزها را و پس از آن به وجود آمد."

    تکامل و بیگ بنگ یا "GI-B G-قاپیدن" (هنگامی که جهان شروع به بازیافت) قابل قبول تر و "نام دیگر" خدا باید گنجانده شود اگر شما همچنان به عنوان یک "آگاهی CREA-tionist".

    "3. برای اعتقاد به وجود فرشتگان است."

    آیتم اصلی برای پاکسازی نورون. فرشتگان / د vils خلاقیت های افسانه ای از تمدنهای کهن، به عنوان مثال هیت ITES، به توضیح / تعریف وقایع طبیعی، ارتباط با خدایان خود را، پرندگان بزرگ، بادهای ناگهانی، حفظ در شب تاریک، و غیره نه "خیلی / UG نوری wingy thingies" تا کنون بازدید و یا صحبت به محمد، عیسی، مریم یا یوسف یا جو اسمیت است. امروز ما فرشتگان را به عنوان F-airies و "قلع کر LLS" طبقه بندی می. مدرن د vils د مونس د دالین طبقه بندی شده است.

    "4. این باور است که همه کتاب های آسمانی که به پیامبران مختلف فرستاده شد درست هستند. با این حال، به غیر از قرآن، همه ی کتاب های دیگر معتبر نیست دیگر."

    یکی دیگر از آیتم اصلی را حذف کنید. هیچ کتاب نوشته شده است در حالت روح از بهشت ​​(اگر وجود داشته باشد) وجود دارد فقط به عنوان از فرشتگان به نوشتن / انتشار / توزیع آنها وجود دارد. قرآن، OT، NT و غیره به سادگی کتاب های نوشته شده توسط انسان برای انسان است.

    پیامبران توسط کاتبان باستان اختراع شد و به طور معمول به نگه داشتن توده های سازمان ملل متحد تحصیل در خط. امروز ما آنها را برای لحن پیشگویان.

    پیشگویی نیز invali مورخ هدایای طبیعی / خدا / خدا از اراده آزاد و آینده است.

    "5. این باور است که همه پیامبران درست است. با این حال، ما دستور به پیروی از حضرت محمد (ص) (صلح و برکات
    بر او) به تنهایی. "

    محمد به مدت سی روز "ناشتا" (افسانه ماه مبارک رمضان) در یک غار گرم قبل از تماس با خود را برای اولین بار با خدا با نام مستعار خدا و غیره را از طریق "کهکشانی بسیار wingy". حس مشترک خواستار حذف نورون # 5. # 5 است نیز منبع عمده اسلامی یعنی عطف محمد ششم olence "سریع، گرسنگی محور" hallu-cinations را به واقعیت وحشتناک برای کافران است.

    راه رفتن این پنج مرحله است و ما تضمین بهبودی کامل از راه های اسلامی خود را!

    متاسفانه، بسیاری از مفسران مسلمان / خوانندگان در این وبلاگ وجود ندارد به طوری که "دو دقیقه" درمان به کسانی که به آن نیاز دارند. اگر شما یک دوست مسلمان، او را یک کپی و کمک به نجات جهان.

    مراحل مشابه در دسترس هستند در درخواست شما برای deprogramming اسطوره های مسیحیت، یهودیت، بودیسم، هندو و الحاد ..

    January 28, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hahhha!

      As if anyone reads your posts.

      January 28, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
    • Sadie Boyd

      I read his post and thought about it...you can read another's perspective and it won't turn you into a pumpkin...it helps a person develop their own perspective, if they also practice critical thinking.

      January 28, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      His post might have some value. What's absurd is his arrogant assumption that anyone he's addressing gives a crap what he has to say. He posts his blarney constantly, spamming every thread with his "addresses" to "new members," as if he were some sort of authority and all the newbies should look to him for his wisdom. He refers to fetuses as "womb babies."

      It is to laugh.

      January 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
    • the AnViL

      i think it's good stuff.

      i approve.

      January 28, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
    • Reca

      Matthew 18:1-4
      New King James Version (NKJV)
      Who Is the Greatest?

      18 At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who then is greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

      2 Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3 and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

      January 28, 2013 at 8:59 pm |
    • Reality

      Some contemporary NT scholars have concluded that Matt 18: 1-4 (Mark 9:36-37 = Matt 18:2,5 = Luke 9:47-48a)
      is historically nil whereas some believe that it is authentic. http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb010.html

      January 28, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
    • End Religion

      Ha, ha, it is to laugh. Yikes! And away!!!

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG0cjEkfWNA&w=640&h=360]

      January 29, 2013 at 2:32 am |
    • johnelderrobisonfan

      Jesus loves you

      January 29, 2013 at 8:29 am |
  12. Ben

    Israel would have just crushed him with a bulldozer.

    January 28, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
    • Real Marie

      Why do you keep stealing peoples handles to post?

      January 28, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
    • Mike

      Matthew 23:1-38
      New King James Version (NKJV)
      Woe to the Scribes and Pharisees

      23 Then Jesus spoke to the muditudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe,[a] that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. 4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ 8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[b] and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

      January 28, 2013 at 9:07 pm |
    • Reality

      Matt 23:1-38 as per Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 225-228, "The passage is inauthentic since it must be derived in its entirety from the situation of Matthew's community". See also http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb153.html.

      January 29, 2013 at 7:43 am |
  13. Whatever.....

    You guys are ALL CRAZY! Religion's should all be silenced as they dont do anyone any good! Idiots!

    January 28, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • Mike

      13 “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. 14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.[c]

      January 28, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
    • nITA

      JESUS-----–IS NOT A RELIGION-----THAT IS HOW MUCH YOU KNOW,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

      .

      January 28, 2013 at 9:20 pm |
  14. Freddy

    God has a covenant authority with government. He allows necessary evils remain to govern people who must be governed. This does not ordain all their laws. The laws in Iran are illegitimate and no one one the face of the earth has to submit to the laws that prohibit the TRUTH of Jesus Christ. non-believers are demonically driven to recognize the authority in Iran because they are over flowing with evil. YOU ARE NOT INNOCENT in this matter non believers.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    January 28, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Wow that's all sorts of crazy there.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • Wow

      It's really scary to know that there are some really delusional people out there. Dude do us a favor and take your meds.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      It's entirely up to god. If god resolves the situation, nobody can do anything but go along. If god continues to act invisible and undetectable, then we should treat him as nonexistent. I'm helping in this situation as much as god is.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Freddy

      Were you sent here by the devil?
      No good sir, I'm on the level.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @RL

      The ring came off my pudding can!
      Take my penknife my good man!

      January 28, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      So...what country DOES have authority? Do you know a Christian theocracy that does "get it right"?

      A government has authority because its people afforded it that authority.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Chuckles

      Is there a chance the track could bend?
      Not on your life, my Hindu friend.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • End Religion

      Freddy, why do you prefer a monarchy over democracy? It seems a bit un-American to worship one sovereign dude.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @RL

      I hear those things are awfully loud
      it glides as softly as a cloud

      January 28, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      What about us brain dead slobs?
      You'll be given cushy jobs.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Chuckles

      I swear it's springfields only choice
      throw up your hands and raise your voice!!

      January 28, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
    • Freddy

      I have no problem with democracy i appreciate democracy, still if you vote to deprive someone of their GOD GIVEN FREEDOM you are EVIL. simple and true.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      What about laws which take away reproductive rights from a pregnant woman?

      January 28, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
    • tuckerfan

      Brother, as a Christian I counsel you to be introspective and seek counseling. The only people to blame for this injustice are the Iranians.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • Freddy

      you talking about that scam in israel? thats nuts. the bible says that the jews who rejected Him are the synagogue of Satan, yet they have a place in His return. The truth is that the whole story reveals that God, fovors no one. Isratel was a way for God to reflect light, they rejected Him until he moved on to the gentiles with a new covenant. Gentiles in the same supposed to be a "light in the world." God only used Israel, and obviously needs no one in particular.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • Freddy

      counsel me tuckerfan. show your true colors. where do you find fault in my assessment that the agreement that Iran has a right to suppress biblical Truth and Life in the Spirit of Christ is in no way supported by God, and anyone who thinks otherwise has an evil motivation?

      January 28, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • Freddy

      a rational libertarian does not say that this guy deserves what he got, and i will retract my resentment in that some non believers are rational libertarians as "rational libertarian " has demonstrated, as well as some other non believers. did not meant to cast my resentment to you. its people like tallulah13 that bother me.

      January 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I just want people to be free to do as they wish ( observing the harm principle, of course).

      January 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • GOD of ALL GODS

      I sure hope you don't own any guns

      January 28, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
    • Freddy

      @god of all gods, why so i cant defend myself? if you hit me i would turn the cheek. i should love my enemies, and not hate. so your statement is implying that i am a type that i am not. are you going to go off on the crusaders schpeel? Is christ the minister of sin, as all men will always be found as sinners? certainly not.

      January 28, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
    • End Religion

      Freddy you didn't answer why you prefer a monarchy over a democracy. I'm not sure why you live in the U.S. if you prefer to worship a King and live by his edicts. Can you explain?

      January 28, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
    • freddy

      yes sir. that question has two phases to the answer. Absolutely I want to hail my savior and king, Jesus. When that day arrives things will be way different, do I need to explain the milinniel kingdom that hopefully i wont be here for? but until then as long as democracy allows religious freedom then what can I complain about with that? In heaven there will be no sin and no one would question anything, no disagreements on anything.

      January 28, 2013 at 9:15 pm |
    • freddy

      When Christ reigns in the 1000 year earthly kingdom Christ will have been established as God and king, no one will argue.

      January 28, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
  15. John

    Imagine there is no religion... North Korea.

    January 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      I'm wondering if you're going to have anything relevant to say, ever.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • Oops.....

      There is religion in North Korea.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • really?

      there is religion in N.korea? what is it?

      January 28, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      It is the worship of the 'dear leader'.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Really?

      They worship Kim Jung Un, it used to be Kim Jung Il, but he died. The supreme leader is elevated to the level of a god on earth there. They might not follow a world religion like christianity but do not take their disbelief in christianity and the state proclaimed "atheism" to mean that everyone does not believe in the godly powers and infallability of Kim Jung Un.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • really?

      Chuckie-be brave boy! call it what it is 'Atheism'

      January 28, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Really?

      Uh.... I think I just explained to you how it isn't atheism..... real question: can you read?

      January 28, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Korean

      Religion is outlawed in north korea

      January 28, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      So you've got a leader who was born in Heaven whose father is a demi-god. Juche is a religion.

      January 28, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      His father is also a demi-god.

      January 28, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
    • Scott

      In North Korea the state is the religion.

      January 28, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
    • christianity is comunisum

      In North Korea :
      They tell you which thoughts are good and which thoughts are bad
      They tell you every other kind of Communisum is bad and non communists are evil in carnet.
      They tell you that their words are THE TRUTH and because of that you must believe what they tell you and to question it is a CRIME AGAINST THE STATE!
      They tell you that you will be horribly punished for the rest of your life if you don’t do what they tell you, believe what they say or think wrong thoughts

      I Christianity:
      They tell you which thoughts are good and which thoughts are bad
      They tell you every other kind of christianity is bad and non christians are evil in carnet.
      They tell you that their words are THE TRUTH and because of that you must believe what they tell you and to question it is a SIN AGAINST GOD!!!
      They tell you that you will be horribly punished for the rest of eternity if you don’t do what they tell you, believe what they say or think wrong thoughts.

      January 28, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
    • Minister Mike

      @ christianity is communism

      I see a lot of ignorance in your post.
      1. True Christianity doesn't tell you which thoughts are good or bad, we all are born into sin so we all have good and bad thoughts. What it teaches people is how to act according to God's will.
      2. It doesn't matter what denomination a Christian may be, God doesn't care of you are Baptist or whatever. What he cares about is whether you love him and do what is pleasing to him.
      3. True Christians are taught to question the scriptures and God, not to blindly follow, only by doing that will we find the truth. It is not a sin to question.
      4. Christianity doesn't tell people what to think or believe, it teaches. The thoughts of being horribly punished is basically the imagination of man, and man has quite the imagination of what torment can be.

      January 29, 2013 at 2:39 am |
  16. John

    He is following his higher calling and his own conscience. It is basically civil disodedience. He is willing to suffer for his faith. His reward in heaven will be great and his suffuring glorifies God. Now spare me the argument about atheism. A lot of people are just looking for a place to vent against religion. No different than all the obama bashers, just a different group of people 😄.

    January 28, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
    • End Religion

      Does our suffering through your insipid nonsense also glorify your impotent god?

      January 28, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Ken jackson

      Amen!

      January 29, 2013 at 1:32 am |
  17. Doyle Wiley, MI

    Chad, it’s not the Pastor's human right to go to another country and promote Christianity, especially a country that has a government that only allow the teaching of the Islamic religion. Your not talking about his human rights your talking about his American rights. His American rights ended when he left the USA. If we (Americans) could learn to respect the laws of the lands we visit, I said respect not agree, there would be a lot less wars. By the way I'm an American Christian.

    January 28, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • Syed

      In the USA we have mosques and have religious freedom afforded to us by the const i tution. America is not a christian country, never was and never will be. Stop calling yourself an American christian. You are American and you need to be proud of it! Hint: what lies underneath that facade is your business, you know what I mean Trojan Horses galore! 😉

      January 28, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • the colosseum is full

      well if you're a Christian then you won't mind too much if the Pastor sentenced in Iran a nation which oppresses it's own people who convert to Christianity endure suffering for Jesus' sake which we are supposed to be required to endure.. hopefully you have a little time to pray for him and his family who has to endure this trail in Christian life for being faithful to the honor of Jesus' name

      January 28, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • the colosseum is full

      @ Syed.. why doncha come down of your high horse and accept the fact that Doyle can call himself whatever he wants after all this is a America !

      January 28, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • Freddy

      the freedom of Christianity is a God given right that anyone, anywhere has reguardless of any man made government.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Freddy, Do you feel that non-christians (the vast majority in the world) do not have that right?

      January 28, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
    • Freddy

      no way you have the right to believe anything you choose and deserve peace, as long as you do not involve yourself with the hindering of the gospel. and even then A Christian would not have a cause to harm you unless you chose to harm them, one should defend his/her life.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • JR

      Syed, perhaps Doyle meant exactly what he said. He's an American. He's a Christian. He's an American Christian....He didn't say anything about America being a Christian nation. Doyle, it might not be his human right (although I disagree with you here), but it sure as anything is Christians' God-given mandate to preach the gospel and to make disciples of/from (depending on your interpretation) all nations. (Note, I said preach, not convert. Christians are (supposed) to make disciples of those who repent (turn away from their sinful nature) and believe that Jesus is Lord...not to force it on those who don't. The Bible, and history, clearly teaches that people are not successful at truly converting people–it's a work of the Holy Spirit). I hesitate to put any verses here, because I hate proof-texting (the Bible is one whole comprehensive story) and many other commenters have posted Scripture, but Matthew 28:16-20 and Romans 10:14-15 are good starting reference for my comments.

      January 29, 2013 at 8:45 am |
  18. myweightinwords

    I am torn on this story. On the one hand, no one should be imprisoned for what they believe or for the relatively personal matter of converting from one religion to another or practicing their faith. On the other hand, actively attempting to convert others in a land where the law clearly prohibits that activity is asking to be arrested.

    One has to wonder, considering how many times he'd returned, and having already been detained, if it wasn't pride more than faith that drove him to continue to return. One also has to consider that others have gone to Muslim countries and built schools and orphanages without being arrested (I am aware of a coalition of people who came back home last year made up of Christians, Atheists, Pagans and a couple of Muslims), possibly because they did what they came there to do, and didn't spend time proselytizing.

    January 28, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • Freddy

      there is a difference between trying to convert someone,and being an open witness, or giving your testimony, or reading scripture. Converting someone is something that no christian is even capable of. We trust in the Holy Spirit.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
      • myweightinwords

        Proselytizing with words is an attempt to convert.

        Your witness should be your life. If someone wants to know why you live as you do, they will ask.

        January 28, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Freddy, If "converting someone is something that no christian is even capable of" – why do they keep trying? Why do they want to impose their agenda on our civic life, our education, our laws?

      January 28, 2013 at 4:18 pm |
    • Karen

      I completely agree. Religion or no if you know that something is against the law and you choose to disregard it you should expect consequences. I do however think it is shameful for Iran to keep to these restrictive laws that are clearly an abuse of human rights. Even though I am not really a Christian I have to respect the man for standing up for what he believes in and his willingness to become a martyr.

      January 29, 2013 at 9:55 am |
  19. Christians are so pathetic.

    Like so many christians this guy has massive persecution and martyrdom complexes that he simply could not fulfill in any western country, so he traveled to Iran and knowingly broke their laws and rubbed their noses in his law breaking until they couldn't stand him anymore and finally granted him the persecution/martyrdom he so desperately desired and worked so hard to achieve.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
    • Chad

      Interesting how atheists seem to all be supporting Iran's actions in this matter.
      If this were a case of a Islam Iman being imprisoned in a "Christian theocracy" atheist outcry would never end..

      Why?

      Iran and atheism have a common enemy: Christianity.. that's why.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chad

      "Saeed Abedini has been arrested nearly 10 times in the past by the Iranian authorities, his wife said. The last time he had been held was in 2009, when he agreed to stop supporting home churches. He has taken nine trips to Iran, where he was born and where his parents live, since then."

      If this guy was that stupid to go to a place where he knew he was not welcome and would not be treated fairly, it's his own damn fault. I wonder Chad, would you give two shits if it was an atheist, Hindu, or Buddhist? I highly doubt it.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Atheists reject one more religion than you.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • Pii

      Iran/non-believers = strange bed fellows indeed!~

      January 28, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • Chad

      Thanks for confirmation, atheists and radical Islam share a common enemy, Christianity..

      Christianity embraces the reality of the God of Israel. Atheism rejects the reality of the God of Israel. That difference is all the difference in the world.

      The only part that atheists and Christians agree on, is that all the gods other than the God of Israel are not real. Christians have a basis for that belief (the God of Israel is real), atheists have no basis for their belief.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:56 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chad

      How cute. Don't address anything, and continue to make your claims. Pretty standard for you. To bad it's such an incredibly pathetic tactic. Thank you for keeping our bar of expectations for you at such a low point.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Lawrence

      "The only part that atheists and Christians agree on, is that all the gods other than the God of Israel are not real. Christians have a basis for that belief (the God of Israel is real), atheists have no basis for their belief."

      The Bible, is fiction, because, overall, its authors meant it as presentation, not as science, or even as history, which is a form of science with its own scientific rules of evidence. Sometimes they accepted the truth of the stories they used, but sometimes, they did not — Job and Esther describe personalities who never lived, and the authors knew it. Some of it reports historical fact, of course: there was a King David, as there was a Babylonian invasion. There was also a prophet named Isaiah, but his prophecies were included in the Bible to give us lessons of morality not of history. The same is true of Genesis through Deuteronomy, Kings, Judges and all the other books, some of whose characters really lived and some of whom didn’t. It doesn’t matter. Fiction can be chock-full of characters who really lived, with a story line of things they really did – and still be fiction.

      “Fiction,” says Eagleton, “is a question of how texts behave and of how we treat them.” The question is what we are invited to do with the biblical text.

      Until relatively recently (the invention of printing) The Bible was read and studied, usually out loud, for the moral lessons within it. But then came printing, along with reading as a personal pastime and fiction as what people liked best to read. Fiction was falsely viewed as private entertainment about nothing substantive, hardly the moral equivalent of history, philosophy and science, which were public truths.

      The Bible now seemed fictitious because it wasn’t “true” in the way that history, philosophy and science are. Supporters of the Bible bristled at this claim because fiction was considered paltry, hardly what you would stake your life on. The Bible is history, these defenders insisted, fact not fiction.

      But that judgment misses the point. Even if every bit of the Bible were literally true, it would still be fiction because of the reason it was compiled, the reason we insist on reading it, and its presentational nature as a world unto itself with its own unique lessons to impart. If you want to know such things as the point of existence, the meaning of life, and the ways humankind has gone right and wrong, you cannot do a whole lot better than start with fiction: the fiction that is the Bible.

      January 28, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • C h a r d h e a d e d patch

      Chard: "Christianity embraces the reality of the God of Israel. Atheism rejects the reality of the God of Israel."

      FALSE – it's like this:
      Chard: "Christianity embraces the belief of the God of Israel. Atheism rejects the belief of the God of Israel."

      Chard: "The only part that atheists and Christians agree on, is that all the gods other than the God of Israel are not real. "

      FALSE – it's like this:
      Some atheists believe that no gods exists. Other atheists don't claim knowledge regarding existence of gods, but disbelieve that the God of Israel exists.

      Chard: "Christians have a basis for that belief (the God of Israel is real), atheists have no basis for their belief."

      FALSE – it's like this:
      Christians have no basis for their belief (the God of Israel is a belief), atheists have a basis (rationality, knowable) for their non-belief.

      January 28, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • neil

      Nice try Chad. If you knew anything about the muslim world, you'd realize that the pecking order of bias against other beliefs puts christianity below Islam, followed by Judaism, followed in no particular order by all non-Abramic religions, followed at the very bottom by Atheists. Almost exactly the same pecking order as christianity ranks belief systems.

      January 28, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
    • the colosseum is full

      Real Christians are the most wonderful people on this planet .. we are created by Jesus Christ and have lifelong opportunities to plan our eternal destinies With the only living great and mighty God 🙂 🙂

      January 28, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • Robert

      The only enemy of atheism is IGNORANCE! Remember, atheism is merely a LACK of belief! There is NO atheist "dogma" nor "agenda" nor any common cause to Rally about! Atheism is simply NOT having any belief in a deity! Like NOT playing music or NOT collecting stamps. Get it? no?

      January 28, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • Freddy

      in the formum on the godless mom, a christian has some what of a interest in someone depriving their children. in this forum, the only reason the athiests are in this forum is because the devil lives within them and they are using this forum to tear at the flesh of Christ, because they cant wait to get to hell, it is seething out of their corruption unto death.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
    • End Religion

      Freddy, I believe you've corrupted your underwear. The devil is seething out of them.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
  20. Kevin

    He knows the country and its culture, he was detained a few times before. His own Word tells him the follow the law of the land. Its on him.

    January 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • Chad

      Interesting how atheists seem to all be supporting Iran's actions in this matter.
      If this were a case of a Islam Iman being imprisoned in a "Christian theocracy" atheist outcry would never end..

      Why?

      Iran and atheism have a common enemy: Christianity.. that's why.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Chad, Isn't that what christian fundamentalists want – the law of the land to be set by the strictest interpretation of their religious texts – so why do you feel it would any different in the USA if the fundamentalists got their way? Also the convicted chose to evangelize despite the law of the land, so they chose this path. And if your god cared it could free them, so what's the problem?

      January 28, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • Chad

      Thanks for confirmation, atheists and radical Islam share a common enemy, Christianity..

      January 28, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • OhFun

      Thanks for confirmation, Christianity has a multiple enemies they want to destroy atheists and radical Islam.

      January 28, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Chad, "Interesting how atheists seem to all be supporting Iran's actions in this matter."

      On the contrary Chad. As you state in your next sentence, Iran is a theocracy. I think it stands as a perfect example of why we fight so hard to keep theology out of our governments and schools.

      This is a human rights issue, and religious people are always on the slippery slide of attempting to remove the rights of humans. In this way America is not very different from Iran.

      January 28, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • Chad

      @GodFreeNow "On the contrary Chad. ......"

      @Chad "so, why don't I see any atheists decrying Iran as a religious theocracy and condemning their action in jailing a person for having a different religious view?

      lol

      Responses seem to be "see!!! this is why Christianity is so bad!!"

      "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" I guess..

      January 28, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Chad

      Reading through most of these comments no one is supporting the actions taken by Iran. This post is saying its the pastors fault for practicing in a theocracy, but that in no way means Kevin is supporting theocracy itself

      This is just another way you can blame the shadow atheist for supporting what you abhor. I can promise you that Iran is the first country all atheists hold up as the biggest problem with religion and politics today, even worse than GWB saying god told him to invade Iraq.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Chad,
      "why don't I see any atheists decrying Iran as a religious theocracy and condemning their action in jailing a person for having a different religious view?"

      That you still cannot even see the "any" in the person that you are even replying to, tells me a lot about your character. This kind of blindness constrains your understanding of the world. I do not understand why you would so readily embrace it.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
    • Chad

      "I'm not supporting the theocracy, I'm blaming the pastor"

      ah.. like I said, enemy of my enemy..

      🙂

      January 28, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chad

      And like I pointed out from this article. This pastor was arrested in Iran 10 times already. At that point it's on him and his stupiditiy.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @Chad, I fully oppose Iran and its ridiculous and dangerous theocracy, but I see no point whatsoever having long discussions about it here with people who mostly have no clue how the Iranian government works. This just isn't the forum.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:15 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Chad

      First of all, where'd you pull that quote from? I didn't say that, do you know how quoting works?

      Second, blaming the pastor is not blaming his religion, it's blaming this mans choice to practice when he knew it would put him in danger. What am I supposed to do? Support him in his courage to fly in the face of a government that's proven itself to be unhinges and intolerant? I'm not agreeing that any action should be taken against this man and if he were in the US and being sentenced to prison, I'd be as angry as you are, but in Iran we all know that the theocracy has been taken to another level.

      Then again, by all means, ignore this, you've already proven that your reading comprehension go further than 5th grade

      January 28, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      I am a non-believer and I hate Iran because they are a theocracy that abuses human rights. I despise theocracy and abuse of human rights.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Chad's Secret Lover

      Funny how Chad's scriptural comprehension doesn't include Luke 6:27. Chad, you may be able to quote and control-c/control-v your God's word, but there none of it is in your heart.

      Love your enemies, Chad...it is the only radical, original thing your Jesus said/did.

      There's a saying that "there are those who know about God and those who know God."

      Chad, your mind knows only about. You know nothing.

      No heart, Chad. None.

      But, I'll be over later for our three-a-week rendevouz. Kiss Kiss.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Chad, don't be stupid. Just because you assume a motive does not mean that your assumption is accurate. People do things for various reasons, not just because of how they feel about your beliefs in your god. Just because you can only imagine yourself doing an action because of a motivation for or against your god doesn't mean that others view it the same way.

      January 28, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Chad
      "enemy of my enemy"
      As I've said many times to you, the "enemy" that atheists are most interested in fighting is ignorance. If this expression of ignorance in Iran has aligned you with our cause, I say to you, "welcome to the team."

      January 28, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
    • lol??

      There is a certain triunity amongst the airhead A&A's, A&A&A's...BBBbbbwwwwahahahaha...."Act 5:28-29 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. Then Peter and the [other] apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

      January 29, 2013 at 9:18 pm |
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