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Woman escapes with kids from Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day SaintsCNN's Gary Tuchman tells story of Ruby Jessop, who escaped with her children from Warren Jeffs polygamist Church. Watch Anderson Cooper 360° weeknights 8pm ET. For the latest from AC360° click here.
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Why do atheists so adamantly declare that "THERE IS NO GOD" rather than just that they don't believe, that this is their opinion?????? Why the anger?
Stan,
I think you know the answer to your first question. If not, atheists are of the opinion, that they believe there is no gods/God.
Which is just my opinion, which became apparent, by reading some of these blogs.
The anger thing, THAT is what you want to know, isn't it? Take a good look, it isn't only atheists, and it isn't every individual, that are seemingly frustrated to the point of CAPS, that they cannot choose their words wisely enough, to convey their established beliefs, or convince another mind of the veracity of there disclosed thoughts.
Ego is a powerful tool, a motivator, an engine of Change. Ego is self.
It is necessarily an incredible battle, to overcome self, but incredibly rewarding for those who are able to accomplish that feat. Wisdom and Understanding become available.
Where do those wise words come from? Those words, which describe your environment.
Some believe that a book, describes all our environs, of body and mind, and for some soul.
Some don't believe in that same book, and have a differing way of describing their environs.
So who holds the true vision of what The Environment/ All Life, is all about?
My opinion is that the answer is all around you, if you could but perceive it.
They are frustrated by others beliefs and their own beliefs – it is okay. If you believe they truth, take comfort in knowing that time will indeed tell, sooner or later.
The cake is a lie!
The cake was true until the frosting corrupted it.
For the people out there claiming we have had no proof of Christ please look up Eucharistic Miracles. If anyone would like to debate (since its so much fun) just post on here and see how it goes?
Jesus may or may not have existed, but there's no proof he was the sun of God/ Could heal the sick or dying/ walk on water/ turn water to wine/ was resurrected from the dead.
There's significant proof he wasn't white.
Care to debate?
Son of god*
Your cult is a manmade club like any other, with rules by which to segregate and perks to make the club feel special from other clubs. The club gets together periodically to reinforce the delusions of members. Many branches of this club have dues which most call a tithe. Each club redefines words so its intolerance seems righteous.
You've chosen, or were likely born into a family who joined, the club that aligns best with your own fantasy concerning how to minimize your fears in life. You and others in the club are afraid so you've made up a god that soothes you by making decisions for you, helping you feel less alone in the universe, and promising you life everlasting. The various club gods offer perks to induce membership such as seeing dead relatives, virginal sex partners, planets to rule or even one's own god status.
The Jesus you believe in never existed, was and is king of nothing. The bible is a collection of stolen, modified, pre-fabricated myth and forgeries about a non-existent deity. You don't have to be afraid. You do not need religion.
Deal with the lack of afterlife by celebrating life and family in the here and now. Be responsible for your own decisions. Be kind to the earth and others on it. Forge a path with determination, or "go with the flow" and let life determine the course if you're the lazy type. Either way, you don't need a god or a club for any of that.
As miraculous as a "miracle" might appear, it's still not proof of Christ.
Everyone at some time in their life makes a bad decision, like sticking your tongue on a frozen metal object.
Some of the ancients, made a code or laws, that would possibly save the terminally stupid, from hurting others, if not themselves.
And some of those same ancients, felt it would be in everyone's best interest to plan ahead, and incorporate a savior, who could divest everyone, from making bad decisions. They named that champion the Christ.
And the group, who actually came up with that plan (the chosen ones), don't even believe that that Christ ever has come.
And regardless of those prophecies, folks are still making bad decisions, everyday.
The decision for the person, mentioned in the article, to leave the non-preferred group seems like a good decision.
And she probably feels, that Christ influenced that good decision.
Want do you want to debate, whether there are good or bad decisions?
Or whether the same savior, that was prophecised in an Old book, is the same as the one in a New book?
It will be your decision, and will it be a good one, or a bad one?
Maybe Christ can save you, I hope so. Even lowly me, would prefer that you make good decisions.
Say hi to God for me. She is so Koooool.
So you ACTUALLY believe in transubstantiation? You actually believe you are injesting the blood, and flesh of a being? Have you met the Donner party, they have room at their table if you would like to join them?
This video is proof positive that all religious leaders/figure heads (or atleast the vast majority of them) are controlling and manipulative.
All religions are fundamentalists religions. They all require you to fundamentally deny reality.
I think this woman is terrible! The burden is not upon the wives, but is instead, upon the husband.
I have 10 wives. I service each twice a night. I try to get the ugly ones first. Save the pretty ones for later. Makes it easier to rise to the occasion... so to speak.
When I die, I will get my own planet to rule over. Being an FLDS member, is a lot like owning a franchise.
Remember: There is no god. Not a one. Grow up! God is just a Santa for adults.
Cheers!
Very funny
Ann Romney made a break for it?
Wrong church.
This was in reply to a false post – but hey, it's interesting information. It was just a few years ago, was in the news. in regular news, and religious web sites, those that are honest enough to post all news.
A bunch of Christian doctors decided to prove prayer worked. Properly. Scientifically, to show the world. They did it right, a nice study in the hospital of heart attack patients, those who were and were not prayed for, those who knew they were prayed for, those who did not, those prayed for by family, those who didn't know, and they had strangers pray for them.
The result – no benefit from prayer. A slight (within statistical error) WORSE outcome in those prayed for. This wasn't scientists, these were Christians, positive there was a benefit, positive they'd seen it (sadly, confirmation bias), just looking to prove what they were sure was there, and do it right so everyone would know.
Just as every study has shown, atheists and christians – we heal the same, we have the same likelihood of a good or bad outcome. Prayer doesn't do anything. If it did, it'd be so incredibly easy to see, you'd just have to sort outcomes by the religion of the patients, and you'd see a little curve, where atheist patients were more likely to die, and some religion or other (whichever the right one was) were more likely to survive. Nope, doesn't exist. It doesn't do anything.
Liar!!! Just Google the topic you will weep. Doctors are the most religious among scientists, why?
In some hospitals, this happens: The nurses start preparations to make a new bed available when they see 2 men in white shirts and ties walk in. They call them 'Elders' but the men have been as young as 19 years old. Within 24 hours, one of the patients will pass on or get completely healed. Now, there is a new bed available. For more information on 'Blessings' go to Mormon.org
As a nurse I have seen many different families of different religions pray for blessings for their ill and injured loved ones. Do the prayers work? Some may say yes and some may say no, but I believe that the ones who are saying the prayers are the ones who truly benefit. I once watched a new Resident come in early each morning and pray over his patient's bed before waking them for assessment. One morning I asked him if he was asking for a blessing on his patient and he answered me, no, he was asking his Heavenly Father to bless him so that he would make wise choices for his patient. Whether anyone believes prayer works or not, it is a way to reaffirm our value to ourself. Sort of a "hey, I can do this" moment. Many psychiatrists say our best counselor is ourself. I don't care if anyone believes I'm a member of the "right " church or not. And if I'm wrong, at least I lived my life the best I could by serving others, loving my neighbors and treating my brothers and sisters the way Christ taught.
@NII,
Doctors aren't scientists. Like nurses, EMTs and ultrasound techs a doctor (physician) is [in this case highly] skilled labor working in the service industry. Certainly they have studied a lot of highly targeted science, largely through memorization, but few (a minority) practice science.
If you look at the Lord's prayer, you will notice that Jesus never prayed for aunt sally's health or for uncle bob to get that job promotion... He prayed 'let God's will be done', for forgiveness, for THAT days bread, to not be put into temptation. This is the example left to us Christians. I am very surprised by the number of christians that lack this understanding as well. We are to serve Him – and we fail profoundly daily.
ABeliver – bingo, very well said.
I hope that all mothers, and all kids, and all fathers and all other people too, can escape from all churches and from all religions and from other superstitions too. That would be a great step forward for humanity.
Ferret and pasta -based religions excepted, of course.
Thank goodness – that's one pretty sick cult – the kids get raised to be breeding stock – girls to marry unquestioningly the old man being rewarded with another young bride, the boys to be very obedient in hopes they'll get a bride, rather than kicked out (when you have polygamy, you have to maintain a very high female to male ratio – guess how they do that). Being raised for this from birth, they're just so not equipped to say no, to stand up for themselves.
I hate to inform you of this but secular humanism is also a religion. Belief in evolution is also a religion since it has not (and never will be) proven scientifically. All religions (Christianity, Islam, Secular Humanism, Evolution, etc.) are all based on faith in things that cannot be proven by the scientific method (e.g., God created the universe/where did God come from, we are all the end result of a lightning strike in an ancient mud puddle/where did energy and mass come from, etc.)
@ Carlos Surely it must require some conscious effort on your part to remain as ignorant as you are.
Hi Marie!
I like what you said, leave everything thats causing dificulties for everyboby and stay on the frequency of "LOVE" Which will bring humanity together, I think learning to love is the hardest lesson we'll ever learn.
Good for you young miss, now you are free to teach your children the truth: the universe was created by a giant purple banjo playing ferret known as Tim the Destroyer of Worlds. Ferretianism is the one true religion. Repent! (banjoferret d c)
I am a high priest of the dread lord Yog-Sothoth, You will soon know the exquisite sufferings of his malevolence.
He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
Jesus didn't give his life for me.
Egwene al'Vere did.
How dare these people use the name "Jesus Christ" in naming their church. This religion has nothing to do with Christianity or living as Christ taught us. All mormon churches need to change their names and remove the name of Jesus Christ from their churches and doctrine.
Every other Christian is not a Christian to every other Christian.
God has given them a newer book. Your group hasn't heard from him in 2,000 years, so I would say they are right and you are wrong.
Go ahead and tell them that, next time they knock on your door. Might be fun.
Nice No True Scottsman falacy.
I can see both sides – but really, I'll be fair here – while I'm an atheist, let's be real, we all know the early Mormons did what so many other cults did – claimed Jesus to gain credibility for their cult. I can't be offended at it, but I can't defend it as credible either.
I say the group with the latest book wins. The Christians need to get Billy Graham to climb Mt. Mitchell there in North Carolina where he lives and to not come down until he has a new book inspired by God.
Crock of crap, meet crock of crap. You seem to have so much in common, I'm sure you'll be great friends.
For clarification: The church in this story is not the same church that people often refer to as "Mormons" which stopped practicing poligamy over 130 years ago (1890). Any member of the Mormon church who practices poligamy is excomunicated.
The FUNDAMENTALIST Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints apostatized from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints at the time the church stopped the practice of poligamy.
jvs113
For clarification: The church in this story is not the same church that people often refer to as "Mormons" which stopped practicing poligamy over 130 years ago (1890). Any member of the Mormon church who practices poligamy is excomunicated.
The FUNDAMENTALIST Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints apostatized from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints at the time the church stopped the practice of poligamy.
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Sorry bub...but you are both Mormons. Only difference is a little bit of doctrine but you read the same "Book of Mormon".
The LDS church uses Jesus' name simply because in the Bible and Book of Mormon, it states that it was his church and as his church it bore his name. The FLDS church simply took on the Fundamentalist part because they believed they were the true church and did not believe that they should stop the practice of polygamy.
Mormons are a cult. they are not christians.
All religions start as cults...including christianity.
Every other Christian is not a Christian to every other Christian.
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
No more a cult at this point than Christianity, no matter what they may have been when founded – when founded, Christianity would have met the definition of a cult just fine too (I'll turn brother against brother, leave your wife – really, very cultish stuff from the early church).
As to Christ...I can see both sides – but really, I'll be fair here – while I'm an atheist, let's be real, we all know the early Mormons did what so many other cults did – claimed Jesus to gain credibility for their cult. I can't be offended at it, but I can't defend that as credible either. It's not the same person they follow, even if they use the same name, and claim some of the same teachings, others that are totally different.
Drop and give me twenty soldier of looneyville
Sofa king numb. How can you remove the mote from another's eye if you cannot see the twig in your own?
I think we need to be reminded that the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not the same church as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They are an apostate group and have no link whatwoever to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Clarification: The story talks about FUNDAMENTALIST Mormons which is a group that broke from the Mormon church when the Mormon church stopped practicing poligamy over 130 years ago.
Hmm. Jeebus hasn't bothered to communicate with mainstream christian denominations in 2000 years, yet he's been giving mormon preachers revelations as recently as 1978. Seems to me like they're the REAL christians.
Doesn't make them any less cra.zy, though.
The only difference between a cult and a religion is the number of members. They're all cults. I guess you could call the big ones 'mega-cults' once they reach X number of followers.
relevant comment
All atheists are liars.
I'm sorry, "truth be told", but your repeated assertions regarding atheism are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your repeated unfounded assertions may represent truths is: "EPIC FAIL". Perhaps the following book can help you cope with the problem of repeating unfounded assertions:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
I know you are,but what am I?
That would be a load of crap. Why would any thinking person believe the obvious nonsense that has apparently snowed you under? Notice I said "thinking", this explains your situation quite nicely.
I'd say just the opposite. You tell me a man lived in the belly of a whale, the entire earth was flooded and that a man died and then came back to life and then have the audacity to say that evolution is a lie. It may not be 100% definitively proven, but there is more evidence to support evolution than any of the perposterous claims christians make based on 0% evidence.
Lies be told is at it again, spreading his christian lies, kissing his devil man.
Does anyone even bother to read the stories or watch the videos before they start raving like lunatics? I haven't seen one relevant comment yet.
Honestly? Nope – but I know the FLDS, I know they aren't the Mormon church, and I'm glad anytime anyone escapes them.
Shut up Joe
HURRAAAAAAYYYY HURRAAAAAAYYYY WE MUSLIMS FOUND A WAY TO SEND MONEY INTO SPACE, ONE SMALL STEP FOR A MAN, A GIANT LEAP FOR MANKIND IN DIRECTION OF FINDING ALLAH IN HEAVEN [applause]
Gratz, welcome to 1950
Any religion that people feel they have to "escape" and not just leave should not be allowed to operate in the US.
Exactly!!
It isn't allowed to operate as such,
but we all....i mean if you're not a liberal....we all know that laws don't magically make the prohibited/restricted behavior disappear or conform to expectation.
That is very risky thinking, as soon as it is decided that rights don't apply to certain people or groups, bad stuff starts to happen.
One strangely interesting story is the Larger and Smaller plates given by Moroni.
A blury replication of which, appeared to be Egyptian Hieroglyphics..
Of course their story tells of the Hebrew migration to the new world, in like 2500 BCE, in the larger plates, and then the later move by Jesus, after his death in the smaller plates.
I would really like to see a copy of the plates, so I could determine for myself.
A lot of Egyptian tombs had been raided, following Napoleon's army's excursion there.
And a lot of Black market objects, made their way to buyers.
But nobody can decode the Golden Plates with the super magical Seer Stones.
You know, the ones that Joseph Smith used in his earlier treasure hunting scam for which he was arrested,.
You can't know what Dick Tracy said if you don't have the decoder ring....
I surely miss my decoder ring –
I don't even know how to feel about it, since i lost my mood ring –
Laststonecarver: funny!!
Laststonecarver. Brilliant! LMBO.
Doc Vestibule
But nobody can decode the Golden Plates with the super magical Seer Stones.
You know, the ones that Joseph Smith used in his earlier treasure hunting scam for which he was arrested,.
You can't know what Dick Tracy said if you don't have the decoder ring....
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Ah but the Mormoni's will deny he was arrested...lol....public records are a great thing
When was the last time you went to a Sunday School class at your local LDS church? Joseph Smith's arrests are a part of the Church history lessons. NOBODY in the LDS church claims he was perfect. It's pretty obvious that most of you are getting your lessons about the Church from South Park. Please, go to a library and learn before judging. I'm not trying to convert you, just learn something before you condemn others for having faith in something.
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is a cult!
Every religion starts as a cult.
they are all cults, every last one... all one has to do is study the hard archeology records: there were at least cultures that predate Isael (sumaria and egypt) in the same region. the chinese were well established,
...and just for the LDS crowd, Luzia Woman found at one of the oldest human settlements in the world at Minas Gerais, Brazil 11500 years old...utterly destroys the LDS myth that the Lamenites were the base for the indigenous cultures in the americas.
If your foundation is a fabrication, how can anything its based on be true?
meant to say: If your foundation is a fabrication, how can anythingbased on it be true?
@history speaks volumes : they are all cults, every last one... all one has to do is study the hard archeology records
The archeological record also prophesied the rebirth of Israel (Eze 37) and it was fulfilled in 1948. So, using your own standard, not all of them are cults.
Then there's Christianity, where the gospels seemed oddly very much like earlier pagan stories. So how did the early Christian apologists explain that one? They said it was a pre-emptive strike by Satan – he wrote the fake pagan stories to exist before the gospels to try to throw people off. HA HA HA LOL! Give me a break.
@l4h: archaeological records perform no prophecy. You're trying to drag your imaginary cult rule book into a conversation based in reality.
how does archeological evidence prophesize anything?
Live4lies – "The archeological record also prophesied the rebirth of Israel" WHAT on earth are you babbling about? WHAT so-called "archeological records" have EVER PROPHESIED the rebirth of Israel???? Please explain.
Come on! Everyone agrees The Babble is the definitive archeological record.
L4H new tools for you to use old stuff.
updated 1 hour 55 minutes ago
Scientists have unearthed and dated some of the oldest stone hand axes on Earth. The ancient tools, unearthed in Ethiopia in the last two decades, date to 1.75 million years ago.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50620121/ns/technology_and_science-science/
robert: you know as well as i that L4H will not back up his or her claim.
The Bible can't be an archeological record – too many inaccuracies. Take, for example, the easiest to verify. The Flood – a worldwide flood – it would be the easiest thing in the world to verify. Floods show up on the geological record, no problem to date it, if there was a worldwide flood, it'd be shown EVERYWHERE, and the fossil record would have a bit of a massive die-off, and the maternal DNA would show that there was a later point than the African "Eve" where all of our DNA converged, etc. – there'd probably be some good 50 different ways of showing it to be true. None of them exist. There was no worldwide flood, thus the Bible is not a reliable historical record.
It has some elements correct – just as Homer's Illiad correctly described Troy, and Gone with the Wind correctly described that there was a Civil War – but that's only because people of the time of course knew the landscape they lived in.
Every religion is a cult. In order to believe the obvious nonsense that is religious doctrine, you have to be brainwashed. Rational thought and religious doctrine are mutually exclusive.
Clarification: This article does not talk of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. It is of the FUNDAMENTALIST Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Not a huge difference in the name, but there IS a world of difference in the two organizations and practices. See mormon.org
Warren Jeffs is just another con man perpetuating the infamous angel cons that continue to wreak stupidity upon the world:
To wit:
Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)
"Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."
Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;
Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).
Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)(As do Biden and Ryan)
The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.
Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.
Pray without ceasing in 2013
Prayer changes things
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
I'm sorry, "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but your repeated assertions regarding atheism are unfounded. Using my Idiomatic Expression Equivalency module (IEE), the expression that best matches the degree to which your repeated unfounded assertions may represent truths is: "EPIC FAIL". Perhaps the following book can help you cope with the problem of repeating unfounded assertions:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
When you are as bitter and hate filled as phony jesus why exist?
The only kind of "trickle-down" that actually works:
"Douglas" degenerates to:
"pervert alert" degenerates to:
"Taskmaster" degenerates to:
"Ronald Regonzo" degenerates to:
"truth be told" degenerates to:
"Atheism is not healthy ..." degenerates to:
"tina" degenerates to:
"captain america" degenerates to:
"just sayin" degenerates to:
just wondering degenerates to:
"nope" degenerates to:
"WOW" degenerates to:
"!" degenerates to:
and many other names, but of course it's the
disgruntled ex Evangelical Fortune Cookie Co. "writer".
"When you are as bitter and hate filled as phony jesus why exist?"
Since you are a liar, enjoy burning in the fire for eternity.
Burn baby burn! Burn baby burn! Burn baby burn! Burn baby burn!
Burnin'!
To mass fires, yes! One hundred stories high
People gettin' loose y’all gettin' down on the roof – Do you hear?
(the folks are flaming) Folks were screamin' – out of control
It was so entertainin' – when the boogie started to explode
I heard somebody say
Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down
Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down
Burnin'!
Satisfaction (uhu hu hu) came in the chain reaction
(burnin') I couldn't get enough, (till I had to self-destroy) so I had to
self destruct, (uhu hu hu)
The heat was on (burnin’), rising to the top, huh!
Everybody's goin' strong (uhu hu hu)
And that is when my spark got hot
I heard somebody say
Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down, yoh!
Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down
Burnin'!
Up above my head I hear music in the air – I hear music!
That makes me know there's (somebody) a party somewhere
Satisfaction came in a chain reaction – Do you hear?
I couldn't get enough, so I had to self destruct,
The heat was on, rising to the top
Everybody's goin' strong
That is when my spark got hot
I heard somebody say
Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno! (Aah yeah!)
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down
Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno, yeah!
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down
Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno! (Aah yeah!)
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down
Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno, yeah!
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down
Burnin’!
I just can't stop
When(till) my spark gets hot
Just can't stop
When my spark gets hot
Burning, burning, burning, burning...
Give us a warning pre-disco next time so I can drag out my disco ball and platform boots.
Do you ever get tired of posting the same blatant lie, the same empty words, over and over again?...
Well,if it isnt the intrusive, straw man creating prayer bot! It's been a while.
it has been awhile since yesterday you moron.
A bunch of Christian doctors decided to prove prayer worked. Properly. Scientifically, to show the world. They did it right, a nice study in the hospital of heart attack patients, those who were and were not prayed for, those who knew they were prayed for, those who did not, those prayed for by family, those who didn't know, and they had strangers pray for them.
The result – no benefit from prayer. A slight (within statistical error) WORSE outcome in those prayed for. This wasn't scientists, these were Christians, positive there was a benefit, positive they'd seen it (sadly, confirmation bias), just looking to prove what they were sure was there, and do it right so everyone would know.
Just as every study has shown, atheists and christians – we heal the same, we have the same likelihood of a good or bad outcome. Prayer doesn't do anything. If it did, it'd be so incredibly easy to see, you'd just have to sort outcomes by the religion of the patients, and you'd see a little curve, where atheist patients were more likely to die, and some religion or other (whichever the right one was) were more likely to survive. Nope, doesn't exist. It doesn't do anything.
"A lie, often enough repeated, becomes the truth" – that's a cliche.
Perhaps that's what some posters here hope. Two issues with that. First – if you know your cause must be supported with lies, that says everything about what you think of your cause – that it does not have the truth on it's side. And you're telling everyone that.
Second, the truth is,
A lie, UNCHALLENGED, becomes the truth – and we're not going to stop challenging your lies. We're done being silent about your lies.