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 Saeed Abedini, with his 4-year-old son, was sentenced to eight years in an Iranian prison.
February 9th, 2013
06:00 AM ET
My take: What would Mohammed do about U.S. pastor in Iran?
By Qasim Rashid, Special to CNN When will Iran's government and clerics stop running from the truth that their religion - which they call Islam - would be unrecognizable to the Prophet Mohammed? On the mere allegation that American pastor Saeed Abedini evangelized Christianity, Iran threw him in front of a member of its Revolutionary Court, whom many have called a “hanging judge.” Abedini now faces eight years in prison, which is nothing short of reprehensible, immoral and cowardly. If Iran’s purpose was to protect what it thinks is Islam, it has failed. In 1902, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, courageously declared, “Religion is worth the name only so long as it is in consonance with reason. If it fails to satisfy that requisite, if it has to make up for its weakness in argument by handling the sword, it needs no other argument for its falsification. The sword it wields cuts its own throat before reaching others.” Thus, in using force to counter Abedini’s alleged evangelism - an oppressive act alien to Islam - Iran’s religion cuts only its own throat. If Iran’s purpose was to silence Abedini, it has failed. More people worldwide now know of him, his message of Christianity, his struggle and his passion than ever would have otherwise. Iran has given Abedini a loudspeaker that he never could have built on his own. Thus, while trying to silence Abedini's message, Iran’s religion silences only itself. If Iran’s purpose was to honor Prophet Mohammed, it has failed. The message it has given to the world is one of intolerance and fear, characteristics alien to Mohammed's example of love and pluralism. Iran’s act does more to dishonor the prophet than Abedini ever could. Thus, by cowardly, hypocritically and ignorantly demonizing Christianity, Iran’s religion makes only itself look hideous. As a practicing Muslim, I’m not sure what religion Iran practices, but it has nothing to do with the Islam that my Prophet Mohammed taught. And what exactly did Mohammed teach? My Mohammed declared in writing to St. Catherine’s Monastery at Sinai, “This is a message from Mohammed ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. … The Muslims are to fight for them. … Their churches are to be respected. … No one of the Muslims is to disobey this covenant until the Last Day.” My Mohammed championed the Quranic commandment to protect all houses of worship, including churches. “Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made - because they have been wronged. … Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly only because they said, ‘Our Lord is God’ - And if God did not repel some men by means of others, there would surely have been pulled down cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of God is oft commemorated” (22:40-41). My Mohammed returned to Mecca peacefully and victoriously and, citing Prophet Joseph’s noble example, graciously forgave all his persecutors. While Mecca exiled Mohammed only for his faith, Mohammed now protected the rights of all to stay in Mecca regardless of their faith. But with one condition: that freedom of conscience remain free for all people, Muslim or not. Had Iran followed Prophet Mohammed's Islam, no such “hanging judge” would exist, no such eight-year prison sentence would exist, and no such restrictions on Abedini’s peaceful preaching would exist. So give it a rest, Iran. You’ve been running long enough. Your so-called religion honors neither Islam nor Prophet Mohammed, nor will it ever silence other faiths. Stop running, Iran, or you’ll bleed yourself dry. The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Qasim Rashid.
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Fantastic article – I dont think I have ever come across an article explaining the rights of other faiths by Islam. Well done and reads honest!
See p. 1 for an English translation:
أيها المسلمون في العالم:
من دراسات ارمسترونغ، رشدي، علي هيرسي، والبيهقي ريتشاردسون --–
الخطوات الخمس لأبطل تأثير الخرافات من 1400 سنة الإسلامي:
(-اتخاذ خطوات أقل من دقيقتين إلى دقيقة، والانتهاء ببساطة مذهلة-سنتين إلى إحلال السلام والعقلانية لأكثر من مليار نسمة، فقد لا تقدر بثمن!)
هل أنت مستعد؟
استخدام "الفروع الإسلامية 77 من" الإيمان "مجموعة الإمام البيهقي جمعتها كنقطة انطلاق. في ذلك، وهو ما يفسر الفضائل الأساسية التي تعكس صحيح" الإيمان "(إيمان) من خلال الآيات القرآنية وأحاديث نبوية ذات الصلة." أي ملخصا لطيفة من المعتقدات الإسلامية والقرآن الكريم.
والخمسة الأولى من الفروع 77:
"1، والإيمان بالله"
وينبغي أن يضاف الملقب كما الله، الرب، زيوس، الرب، الطبيعة الأم، وما إلى ذلك لالخلايا العصبية الذاتية التطهير الخاص.
"2. وإذا ما تصورنا أن كل شيء غير الله كان غير موجود. بعد ذلك، خلق الله العلي هذه الأمور لاحقا وجاء إلى حيز الوجود."
التطور والانفجار الكبير أو "غي ب G-NAB" (عندما يبدأ الكون لإعادة تدوير) هي أكثر قبولا وينبغي إدراج "المندرجة" في سبيل الله إذا كنت لا تزال تشكل "CREA-tionist".
"3. إلى الاعتقاد في وجود الملائكة".
A بندا رئيسيا لتطهير الخلايا العصبية. الملائكة / دي vils-الإبداعات الأسطورية هي من الحضارات القديمة، على سبيل المثال Hitt خائبي، لشرح / تحديد الأحداث الطبيعية، والاتصالات مع آلهتهم، والطيور الكبيرة، والرياح المفاجئة، وحماة في ليالي الظلام، وما إلى ذلك لا "جميلة / UG-لاي ثينجيس افسح المجال ل" أو بزيارة أي وقت مضى تحدث إلى محمد، يسوع، مريم أو جوزيف سميث أو جو. اليوم سوف نصنف الملائكة كما airies-F و "كير القصدير يكون LLS-". وتصنف الحديثة دي vils كما دي مونس هيئة اجتثاث mented.
"4. إذا ما تصورنا أن جميع الكتب السماوية التي تم إرسالها إلى الأنبياء مختلفة صحيحا، ولكن بصرف النظر عن القرآن الكريم، كل الكتب الأخرى غير صالحة بعد الآن."
آخر بندا رئيسيا في حذفها. لا توجد كتب في ولاية روح السماء (إن وجد) كما لا توجد الملائكة لكتابة / نشر / توزيعها. القرآن، OT، NT وما هي ببساطة كتب من قبل البشر للبشر.
اخترعت من قبل الأنبياء الكتبة القديمة عادة للحفاظ على الجماهير من الامم المتحدة والمتعلمين في الصف. اليوم ونحن ندعو لهم مقابل لحن فرز الأصوات.
كما نبوءات invali مؤرخة من قبل الهدايا الطبيعية / الله / الله من الإرادة الحرة والمستقبل.
"5. لنعتقد أن جميع الأنبياء صحيحة، ولكن ونحن أمرنا اتباع النبي محمد (عليه الصلاة والسلام
صلى الله عليه وسلم) وحده. "
قضى محمد ثلاثين يوما "الصيام" (أسطورة رمضان) في كهف الساخن قبل لقاءه الأول مع الله ويعرف أيضا باسم الله وما إلى ذلك من خلال "افسح المجال ل ثينغي جميلة". الحس السليم يتطلب حذف الخلايا العصبية من رقم 5. # 5 هو أيضا المصدر الرئيسي للالاسلامي VI-olence أي تحول محمد "سريع والجوع يحركها" hallu-cinations إلى واقع فظيع لغير المؤمنين.
المشي هذه الخطوات الخمس ونحن نضمن انتعاش الكامل من طرقك الإسلامية!!
للأسف، لا توجد العديد من المعلقين مسلم / القراء على هذا بلوق لذلك "لمدة دقيقتين" هو عدم الحصول على علاج لأولئك الذين في حاجة إليها. إذا كان لديك صديق مسلم، وإرسال نسخة منه وتساعد في إنقاذ العالم.
خطوات مماثلة متوفرة في طلبك للحصول على
Soon, though, an amazing event will take place. “The ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire.” (Revelation 17:16) In a sudden, shocking move, the world’s political powers will turn on false religion and completely destroy her! What will prompt this action? The Bible book of Revelation answers: “God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought.” (Revelation 17:17) Yes, God will call false religion to account for all the desp.i.cable acts she has committed in his name. In a stroke of perfect justice, he will use her political paramours as his instrument of execution.
"Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[30] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he "considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [31]
Martin Luther once "found it an offensive piece of work" and John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."[32]
Islam=Death
Religion = Brain death
54 year old Muhammad would find out if the pastor had a 6 year old daughter or not. If yes, he would get engaged to her and marry her when she's 9. This is what he did with Aisha. I'm a former Muslim, now an atheist.
One agreed about historical fact about the Prophet Muhammad: He remained in a monogomous loving relationship with his first wife Khadija who was 15 years his senior and a widow from ages 25-49 years of age. It was only after her demise that he chose to remarry. While it is true that he married Ayesha who was much younger than him, it is very unlikely, according to good historical research, that she was a child by any strech of the imagination at the time of her marriage. Speaking of history, there are numerous references to what we in this day and age would consider very young girls being married to much older partners in both Christian and Jewish tradition.
knowing that , does that give you the right to exist in Gods world and hate others for somethign you did not witness or have any proff of, and while God is watching your behavior, to sin against your own soul by not even forgivng, even Jesus taught that.
@Shah Sahiab,
1) Who says we live in god's world? Are we just supposed to take your word for it?
2) Being alive does give someone the right to hate if that's how they want to live their life. Particularly in free countries that promote freedom of thought, hate is personal right and choice. We may not like it in others, but we still respect their right to live their lives anyway they want as long as they are not infringing on the rights or well-being of others.
3) If you are so interested in "proof" as your post suggests, I suppose you have proof that god exists, and that you have a soul. Please present your evidence so we in the science community can finally accept that there is a god.
Time now for some 21st century reality:
Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.
And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.
Current crises:
The Sunni-Shiite blood feud (e.g. Iraq, Pakistan and Syria) and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.
God is all about Love, not fear, what most have written hear is of there fear, of the truth, and hate, caused by lack of love , which they failed to learn from God. So in reality they must start over, by softening there hearts , becuase they have hardned there hearts due to there own veil they have created which they see the world thru...I wish I could help you all
because you are so so wrong, but if you take a step towards God, he will surely help you.. it all starts with self realization.
There seem to be much discussion about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a true Sufi of the times and a prophet of the times , his sect is truly about love, his motto of Love for All and Hatred for none, is examplary of what prophet Mohammed beleived and lived ... it is a right direction to follow remove the veils we have created. We are all children of God, no muslim is better than a christan except for the one who is more rightious..No jew is better than a Hindu except for the one that is more rightious..oh people when will you see.
@shah
It's funny, you mention love and peace in your post, then say no believer is better than another..... except those that are more righteous. Well, you can see where this is going, right? Who decides who is more righteous? What to do with those slackers who are less righteous? And the violence continues.
False Religion . . .
▪ MEDDLES IN WAR AND POLITICS: “Across Asia and beyond,” says the journal Asiaweek, “power-hungry leaders are cynically manipulating people’s religious sentiments for their own needs.” As a result, the journal warns: “The world threatens to sink into madness.” A prominent religious leader in the United States declared: “You’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops.” His solution? “Blow them all away in the name of the Lord.” By contrast, the Bible says: “If anyone makes the statement: ‘I love God,’ and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar.” (1 John 4:20) Jesus even said: “Continue to love your enemies.” (Matthew 5:44) How many religions can you think of whose members engage in war?
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The true indicator of the bankruptcy of religion is the hate spewed by members of its various cult divisions toward believers in the other cult divisions.
I don't agree. That merely emphasizes the lack of understanding many believers have in their own religion. The teachings of the individual religions are usually noble, it's the way they are put into practice by humans that messes it up.
Like pretty much everything else.
To the Muslims who say that the writer is not a Muslim....Where is your Oped in defense of our beloved Prophet sas and Islam? The only item all Muslim sects agree on is that they say the Community of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is outside of Islam. Funny thing about that is Muhammad sas didn't have the authority say someone was a disbeliever, why do you?
To everyone else. If Islam was spread by force than let someone try to spread their religion by force now. If Muhammad sas taught Muslims to kill everyone that didn't believe in Islam then there would not have been a single Christian, Jew or Idolater left in all of Arabia. And if Muhammad sas was a power hungry warlord where are his monuments, Where are palaces and what happened to his fortune?
well Muhammad certainly wouldn't be reading this CNN blog since he was illiterate. but it does bring up a good point - what would other fairy tale characters do? i would love to see an insightful article about what Pinocchio or Hansel and Gretel would do. the public needs to know!
My best friend is an atheist, he and I have been friends for 20 years. I don't push my beliefs on him and he doesn't question my beliefs. There is no need to call 84% of the world population's God a fairy tail. I could say you life an empty, lonely and meaningless life, but I won't, because that would make me just like you.
"The majority of people believe it, so it can't be wrong!"
@banlarson the difference is that you would be wrong and you would be attacking the poster directly, instead of criticizing the validity of the sources of his beliefs, which is very easy to do with scripture
anyhow, is that what you think of your atheist friend, is that he has is alone and that he has a pathetic and miserable life?
i highly doubt it
you're welcome
tank, that's an ad populum fallacy
(/sarcasm off)
Please, this article is wishful thinking from an Islamic sect that orthodox Muslims reject as heresy, in part because it is peaceful. Those benign statements that Mohammed made the the monks at St Catherine's were later abrogated by the verses of the sword in the Koran.
The simple truth is that Mohammed would have had the Christian pastor in Iran killed.
Islam has survived by suppressing truth.
@banlarson,
If you could travel back in time you would find that before monotheism became so popular, polytheism was all the rage. Does that mean you would accept their belief as true or not be inclined to at least in your mind call their belief a fairy tale? As Ricky Gervais said, throughout history there are 2870 supernatural beings that can be considered deities. The only difference between you and your atheist friend is that he doesn't believe in 2870 gods, you don't believe in 2869 gods.
So, if someone ignores the directions to say, a coffee table from IKEA, do people blame the set of directions or the person who ignored them? Of course people would blame the person. So, why then are people so quick to blame the bible/religion for the evil of actions of those who ignore them? Religion is the one light the world has.
because god is made-up. he's not real. Muhammad or Yahweh - it's all the same. so he didn't "make" the furniture. we made him. you gave a poor analogy. people wrote the bible. that's why it's full of errors, like the earth is flat. it's also full of evil. god drowned babies in his great flood. how can you worship a baby-killer? there is NEVER a good reason to murder a child - unless he's sitting behind you screaming on a flight from LA to NY.
God does not give a book of instructions Scott, because he can see that mankind will fight and kill each other over the different interpretations of such instructions. If God exists, we know all we need to know about God by observing the decisions of God. We never needed a bible, a Quran, a torah, or even a single word of God to see the decisions that God makes every day of our lives. God is very beautiful, and so are we, created as we are by God, and so we should stop teaching our children to hate and mistrust each other over the false ideas in the bible, Quran, torah, and other religious books. God did not write those books. God does not have the angry creator of hell character as that described in the scriptures. Our ancestors got it all wrong, the prophets turned out to be not prophets at all. They meant well, but they were confused. We need to evolve our religions, to see that the scriptures are not the word of God and to correct the mistakes we find in them.
Take the faith blinders off and read the Bible again for the first time. It's not exactly the good book your mommy and daddy told you about.
For the "directions" analogy to come close, the directions would have to first be passed around verbally several times, then written down into an ancient language and translated over generations into different languages until you got those directions as interpreted by many people over several generations. The Bible is not an instruction book - it is stories, repeated over and over, mistold and mistranslated until you have multiple versions of the Bible so people can chose the telling of the stories that best suits them.
You've never read these religious books, have you? The explicitly instruct all sorts of atrocities and people have been acting out those instructions for millennia to bad effect. You are so ignorant.
Anyone who hurts anyone in the name of religion is stuck in the dark ages. There is NO ONE TRUE RELIGION YOU SHEEP! Think for yourselves! Be a part of the solution not a part of the problem. The problem is not Mohammed or Abraham or Allah or God or whatever the hell you believe in. The problem is you trying to make me believe the swill you bought. Go ahead Iran, bleed yourself dry. Same with Iraq, Afghanistan, any other country run by religious zealotry. I will meet you in hell before you gain my respect.
Religions are simply a collection of beliefs that are followed by a group of people who agree to follow those collective beliefs. I'm a Christian, I suppose, since I believe Jesus Chris died for our sins to allow all of us sinners, through God's grace and belief in his Son, to have a personal relationship with Him. Seems over time all religions change to support societal changes. At one point women were subservient to men, but that has changed over time, at least with Christianity. People should do more individual pursuit of God and less following of a specific collection of beliefs/rules put together by man to fit their group's desires. Religions used to kill or put down other people are not from God. If you think so perhaps you should ask your God what He thinks.
@ the author, you mentioned on twitter
to Muslims commenting on my CNN OpEd that Im not a "real Muslim"—U should be ashamed it took a "fake" Muslim to defend #Islam when u couldnt
what an arrogant statement...you have been given a subversive platform to divide muslims just like your quack godman was by the queen of england...dont get too proud...your a pawn, a part of the psy op to destroy truth and promote falshood
@Jang – Wow, I think you just proved his point with that bigoted tirade. Good job.
I am an Ahmadiyya type Muslim and I support Rashid,
The American Constitution has no such foundation.
I think you missed the joke, Erin.
WWMD LOL this looks like weapons of mass destruction abbreviation. Anyway, Muhammad would have executed the man long time ago. In Islam, anyone who renounces Islam is to be killed. Even if he or she repented, they have to be killed. Repentance would only help them later in the afterlife, but here on earth they have to be killed. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you. Man baddala deenahu faqtolooh Muhammad said, kill he who renounces his religion
Hello. Do you have a quote from the Qur'an for that? Otherwise, you're lying.
God is love. Love to kill those who don't believe. Pretty sad. Myths believed as fact. Religion retards evolution. Or is it that the religious are retards? You decide...
The way I understand an apostate, it is a person that left the Islamic religion, punishable by death. If this American pastor Saeed Abedini always was a Christian, then he did not renounce his Islamic religion and is therefor just an infidel.
What is the source of that statement?
The above quoted saying or hadith of the Prophet Muhammad in which he is said to have said, "slay whoever renounces (changes) his religion" is a poor attempt at showing that Muhammad advocated death as a punishment for apostasy or renouncing Islam. Not only is this tradition considered of poor reliability by most measures used to judge the authenticity of a hadith it simply makes very little sense. Notice the quote itself says to kill anyone who renounces "his religion" rather than "Islam". In effect, this would mean that we would also be obligated to kill all those who change their religion from Christianity, Judaism, and Paganism to Islam as well. Doesn't make much sense coming from a Prophet who spent such a vast amount of time asking people to change religions.
Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
You can still understand from context even if you do not agree and think it should be translated differently. The context being that Mohammad advocates in many places for people of other religions to convert to his.
why does cnn pic a representative of some obscure cult to represent islam? this persons own ahmedi cult has declared aposate anyone who doesn't testify to the prophethood of the imposter ahmad from qadian i
Ahmadiyyat is the true Islam and Revival of Islam. Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself stated amongst his companions that a time would come when the faith of the Muslim ummah will be lost and will have raised up to the stars and at that time a Messiah & Prophet (prophet without a new book or new laws into the religion) would appear to bring back the faith onto the Muslim ummah. The founder of Ahmadiyyat whose advent took place in late 1800s is that very same person as prophecised by Pophet Muhammad (saw) and he has interpreted the Holy Quran in the most beautiful, rational, and right maaner in this day, time, and age when others had gone astray. Through Ahmadiyyat, the Muslims can come to understand the Islam and practice as it was originally revealed which promotes peace.
I would agree. And it is interesting that he completely ignores the situation in Tunisia with the Salafists beheading converts to Christianity over pits, or the treatment and punishment of converts or virtually anyone who disagrees with the government in the countries in the Gulf and different Sunni majority countries in Africa. I wonder who is paying this guy, and what his agenda is. Doesn't he know that his argument is paper thin, considering what he is not saying? Of course living in this country we are not accustomed to such punishments, but to be fair, one should not use this case to completely condemn the Shia faith, or Islam for that matter (notice how careful he was to avoid using that word).
love for all-
a simple question...if i as a main stream muslim do not accept our false 'godman' of qadian, what would be my position? would i be an unbeliever? would i be an apostate? would i be banished to hell for denying an article of faith in your belief?..love for all hatred for none is a catchy moniker yet when you delve in, i gurantee you I would be a jahanami (a dweller of hell) if i don't accept this quack and charaltan
Funny how Islam has all these different divisions as to which affiliated sub-genre is the TRUE Islam. It seems all gods have a severe communication problem, and if they would just show up and straighten it all out for you believers maybe you'd stop killing in the name of your particular deity. Sorry... that has never and will never happen. This world is doomed. Nice going there zealots.
At Jang –
You proved it yourself by calling the author of this article and Ahmadi Muslims some obscure cult and imposters. So, it is you who calls others disbelievers, infidels, and apostates and not the Ahmadi Muslims. We have learned from the Holy Quran, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), & Founder of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community not to hurt others by hand or even tongue. Always treat fellow human beings with kindness. Practice freedom of speech but be considerate of the basic morals.
Just Call me Lucifer-
God is Perfect. It is the people who tend to forget things. So, when things get really bad and people start acting bad, God sends his messengers or prophets to remind people of good morals. FYI – The 2 principle teachings of Islam that also summarize the entire religion of Islam are: 1). Love for the Creator & 2). Love for his Creation. Therefore, we should be respectful of one another and all the people on this platform should use decent language. I read some really bad comments on this page which is very very sad.
Mr. Mohammed order the execution of 600 people. Mr. Mohammed told people to destroy people of other religions.
You do realize you're lying, right? Near the very beginning of the Qur'an it talks about Christians being their brothers and sisters. It's the same religion, the Qur'an is just the 3rd in the silly trilogy. You realize they follow Jesus' name with "peace be upon him" same as they do Muhammed, right? That Mary's name is mentioned far more in the Qur'an than the Bible?
You lie Christopher
Islam says God does not have a son
Christianity say Jesus is the son of God
Chris,
Just because you name Mary and Jesus a lot, even though you call him Isa, does not mean it is not complete bullpoo
That theory would make the Book of Mormon accurate too, because the name Jesus is mentioned a lot?
Where did you get that from? Please when you make a statement, provide its historical reference. In this case you dont have any.
He is actually telling the truth. The Quran is one long genocidal rant against polytheists. They had many religions till the Muslims started their extermination campaign against idolators.
"9:5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
I printed the whole of 9:5 because apologists always come back and say "Don't take it out of context! Really he was being merciful!" The whole claim of mercy and peace in Islam seems to be based on whether the enemy sucks it up and accepts Islam hook line and sinker. And yes, I know the historical context of war; it doesn't change what was said, but simply identifies the very human motives for what was written. No, I don't think Islam is necessarily particulary violent compared to many religions, but it sure as heck isn't very peaceful except insofar as that,like most religions, adherents think the world will be peaceful once everyone buys what they're selling.
I can relate to your message, a lot of christians have done things in the past in the name of Christianity that I don't think Jesus would have approved of either. Still I cling to my Christianity and so should you for your Islam. Just because people who can do terrible things continue to try and smear religion, we DON'T have to agree with them.
I'm with you, dee.
"clinging" is an excellent term to describe all you can do with your religion, when you have no evidence for it. That certainly applies to both Islam and Christianity, and both fables have many similarities, particularly all the violence that has been done according to the guidelines interpreted from their holy books. Religion does a fine job of smearing itself. Be a great day if and when humanity finally rids itself of religion.
Ahmedis are true Muslims? Nope, In fact they are truly misguided.
similar to the adherent to all religions.
you are wrong brother Khan Ahmedis are true muslims. They are purer than Khans.