February 14th, 2013
05:03 AM ET
Comedian Sarah Silverman's sister, niece detained at Israel's Western Wall
By Sara Sidner, CNN
(CNN) - Anat Hoffman had no idea who comedian Sarah Silverman was until Silverman's sister and niece were detained with her Sunday in Jerusalem for wearing prayer shawls as they prayed at the Western Wall.
Police detained 10 women for "performing a religious act contrary to the local customs." The group of women, who call themselves the Women of the Wall, went to pray in Jewish shawls known as tallitot that Israeli law says only Jewish men can wear there.FULL STORY
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I like laughing at flapjacks but why didn't they take off their shirts? Very disappointing. They should have been arrested for not taking off their shirts and for not bringing all their friends with them. Why just two? There should be a bikini contest at the wall.
It's just an old wall. A bunch of rocks. No magic happens there. Unless all the girls take their shirts off. Then there's magic.
They were arrested for wearing towels. Truly the Middle East is the source of all wisdom and enlightenment.
These are matters for the people of Israel to deal with, its really not up for world debate. But does this really matter? What really matters is what happens after one dies. What does happen? Yeshua/Jesus spoke clearly about the afterlife. He spoke of heaven and He warned of hell. Do you know where you are going after you die? It seems to me that this a pretty important issue since it concerns not only this tiny life span here on earth, but time for all eternity. Yeshua said; "Truly, truly I say unto you, he that hears my Word, and believes on Him that sent me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but has passed from death unto life." Amen
He also got mad at a fig tree and killed it.
Joel, god spoke to me and told me not to worry, there is no hell. Sleep easy tonight, li'l buckaroo!
Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?
Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.
Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):
If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.
Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
They used to say men couldn't fly either... they were wrong. God exists. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is the only God there is, and he sent Jesus to die for the sins of others. That is a fact supported by eye witness accounts of those living during that time.
How's that proof for the existence of that sky fairy of yours coming along, little Johnie? Oh, you don't have any? As usual...
No tweets from your pathetic "god" yet either? Thought so...
Post by 'John' contains an instance of a Straw Man fallacy.
Bob, God's words are right there in the bible, no tweets necessary.
No proof, John. All talk and no show . . . typical.
I don't see the straw man, Spotting. I think perhaps False Analogy would be the appropriate fallacy, with the rest being purely unsupported blind assertion.
IB, it's not blind assertion if you have a triangle of days locking it in. When the apostle said the sun became black sackcloth of hair, he turned out to be right... and he gave credit to God for it. The apostle followed Jesus, Jesus gave credit to God... all pointing back to God. No blind assertion there. When the third day Jesus rose from the dead arrived, even the apostles were confused, and people even today can't figure it out, because they don't read closely to what the angels told them, that Jesus was delivered into the hands of sinful men FIRST, and later rose from the dead on the 3rd day after that... 3 days... not 3 days in a tomb. The account is set up to be figured out, and even the apostles were confused at the time... locking it in... that it's from God... not the authors of the text.
2000 years ago, God knew today.
Utter and complete bull.
John, you moron, don't you think that if your contention was true, it would have been reported in every news venue known to mankind?
What a fvcking idiot.
A triangle of days?!?!?!
A black sackcloth of hair?!?!?!
And those were the sane parts . . .
LOL and evidently you have to lock it in. I think john runs his own church of one person somewhere outside of Reno.
I want to know what nutty website he's getting this craptastic stuff from.
Why don't you post your sources, John-boy?
I'm thinking John is between Reno and Las Vegas being a hermit in the desert for Jesus, not quite aware that the cave he is in is a radioactive underground test site.
It's the source of his "inspiration."
It's a triangle of days locking it in, where even the apostles were confused when he rose from the dead. They couldn't figure it out until the angel explained what Jesus had told them, that the "heart of the earth" was being in the hands of sinful men... and the third day he rose again. What Jesus told them was later confirmed by the angels, NOT the apostles knowing the answer, and the apostles were passing on the account, without knowing the answer up front.
Magnetic Filaments, Earthquakes and Revelation 6:12
End of world clues on the sun...
A triangle of days. That makes sense to you? Seriously?
Ohhh! so the pyramid on the back of the dollar is not a pyramid at all, but a triangle.
The three days is like a triangle, because it wasn't just 3 days in a tomb, it was three days in the hands of sinful men, like the angels told them when they couldn't figure out why he was gone... it didn't match what they expected. Over the three days, Jesus was judged, crucified, and buried, then rose the third day. The other things that happened to him are like a triangle, locking in that the account is true, because the apostles didn't know it, until the angels explained it after they admited they were confused. These were simple fishermen... talking to angels.
Well at least we can all walk away from this having learned that triangles lock in truth.
That's still three linear days (though you rtheology is very dubious). How do you get triangles?
Anyway, the men trotted out as being experts on God in the original post above, they also said men couldn't fly, and they were wrong about that... so I'm not concerned that they were wrong about God too in being ignorant of him... and flight.
I once heard pyramids locked in freshness and sharpened razor blades, but that turned out to be gibberish also.
Back to your false analogy again, are you?
Locking WHAT in? You don't even sound sane, John. Seriously.
"IB, it's not blind assertion if you have a triangle of days locking it in."
You're starting to sound a lot like the main character in "A Beautiful Mind," John. Just obsessed and off your gourd.
Well hell, I'm throwing out my Saran wrap and getting me some triangles. I don't like messing with that wrap anyway.
Someone should notify Glad and Hefty that triangles may help lock in freshness. Stop making sandwich baggies rectangular!
I'm thinking John is quite the expert at making foil triangles to lock the truth into his head.
Tom, the apostles expected Jesus would be three days in a tomb, and when he was gone before then, they were confused and claiming someone took him out of the tomb. It's in the account that they admitted they were both confused and sad walking away when they realized it didn't go as they were told, or thought they were told. That is the key that locks it in, their admission that they didn't know or understand, UNTIL the angels explained it. It's a lock, that the angels unlocked, a triangle of days that locks in that the account is the truth... because the apostles conveying the account, admitted they didn't know, but the angels did.
Your obsession with truthy triangles is really creeping me out.
You have to be a poe. What utter drivel. There is not a thing in your post that makes a grain of sense. There is NO evidence that anything of the sort happened. You have no account of it other than that in the Bible, and you're attempting to say that simply because of three days, "truth is locked in"? You're just nuts.
And really the sites ER posted? Are you fvcking kidding? Conspiracy theory and UFOs? That's your evidence?
You keep ranting about something being predicted "to the day." WHAT day? What significance does this "day" of yours have if nobody has mentioned a thing about it on the news?
Are you being treated for a mental illness?
Well it's a fun story, John, but of course most likely it's just an embellished variation on older pagan stories. They had to build some razzle-dazzle in there to keep people from falling asleep.
Angels, John? Your fantasy life is getting crowded. You believe in Satan and his angels as well as well? Listen, John, there's this other religion that's chock full of stuff like that. You must try believing in it. I know you have the potential. Read the Mahabharata.
Tom, the reason I say "triangle of days" is simple. The apostles thought "3 days in a tomb" when they were told "in the heart of the earth", that's something you draw a point on a paper and say "3 days in a tomb" as that point. Imagine that... OK. Now, the angels came along and the confused apostles were sad that the "point" they expected... didn't happen... Jesus wasn't 3 days in a tomb. Instead, it's like a triangle of days, where separate points are happening: "judged", "crucified", "buried" as separate points over the three days.... not just buried. It's like a triangle of days, separate things happening that lock it in, not just one point. Simple fishermen didn't understand it when they were told... but did after the angels explained it... the angles unlocked it.
Okay, you had three days as a triangle, but now it's a point on paper. That locks in stuff.
You failed geometry, didn't you.
I thought you said it was locked, John. Now it's unlocked. So when it's unlocked there is an opening in the triangle – like on a keyring? So instead of the the circle that will be unbroken, we really are talking about a triangle that will be broken, right?
What John is trying to say is that Jesus was arrested, which began as a hexagon of half days that you can put on paper as a point that locks in truth that angels unlock so the days that are now truth which were locked in are not locked in, because days are triangles, like points on paper.
Jesus miracled John with that insight. And the Dalai Lama said that when John dies, on his deathbed, he will receive total consciousness.
So, now we have the angle angels, huh? St. Isoceles, St. Scalene and St. Equilateral!
Were there also the archangels, who taught them slick masonry tricks for constructing arches?!
Clarity, yes for the triangle... it was locked, locked in truth, and the apostles admitted they were confused and sad when they walked away from the tomb because it didn't go how they thought they were told it would go, they didn't understand what they were told and they admitted it. It's in the account that they didn't know.... it was locked in truth. They expected a point being "3 days in a tomb", instead, the angles told them it is not just that, it was "3 days in the hands of sinful men", which becomes "judged", "crucified", and "buried"... 3 separate points... a triangle over 3 days.... a triangle of 3 days... that locked it in... locked in truth... that only the angels could unlock.
Angels are so cool... fishermen got to meet them... fishermen got answers from them.
"in the account "
and see that's where the problem is, John – it's all in the same unfounded account – the stories that were embellished copies of older stories. not longer after Paul spread them around, people started questioning the copying. if the stories were true, they might have been able to come up with something to validate them. but no, all they could say was that the devil fooled everyone and wrote the fake stories first.
So A Frayed Not is indeed correct, for John does say "the angles told them it is not just that."
I wonder if John will ever figure out that when three points are alligned, the result is not a triangle. And that time is linear. And that his great angel unlocking mystery is nothing more than "things happened at three different points in time." Such a mystery that only angels can unlock!
IB, if you think of it as a line... whatever. I tend to think of it as an area graph where you draw 3 areas labeled: "judged", "crucified", and "buried" and them being separate items, connected, it forms a triangle. Then take that triangle and label the whole thing "3 days in the hands of sinful men"... like the angels explained to the confused and sad fishermen.
They were confused because some total idiot kept trying to tell them that time is triangular, and being Christians, they were gullible enough to believe it.
And your points are now areas.
This is what happens when Christians home school their children!
IB, it's not just time, judgement was in one general area, crucifixtion was outside the city, and the tomb was also in another place. I think this is compelling reason to think more of it as a triangle of days... rather than just "in a tomb"... as the apostles had mistakenly thought.
IB, the reason I said "point", is that Jesus in a tomb, he's not moving anywhere physically, he's at that point or position. The apostles expected he'd be there 3 days in that one place, or point. When they arrived at the tomb and he's gone, they were confused and sad because not only had he died, but he wasn't in the tomb 3 days like they expected. Instead it bacame more of a triangle over 3 days, that Jesus was in the hands of sinful men, and being moved for "judgement", "crucifixtion", and later "in a tomb", 3 separate points or areas, that form a locked triangle of 3 days, locked in truth that even the apostles didn't know or understand UNTIL the angels explained to them what Jesus meant in saying he'd be "in the heart of the earth".
John, do you have an example of an unlocked triangle? What is doing the "locking"?
Wouldn't Jesus' birth in Bethlehem add a 4th important point to your triangle, or is it more important you keep the superstitiously important "3" of the trinity in your hallucination?
ER, the 3 days are in the hands of sinful men, his birth was years before. When I say it was locked, that means the apostles didn't know it, they didn't understand it, and that's why they were confused and sad to find out he was gone from the tomb. They expected that in 3 days he'd rise again out of the tomb, he'd leave it. Instead, he was gone early, and they were left confused and sad... walking away trying to figure out what had happened. They were locked out of understanding it. Later on the way back, angels showed up and explained to them that it wasn't just the time in the tomb, but the entire time he was in the hands of sinful men. What I'm saying is that that time can be represented by, a triangle of being: "judged", "crucified", and "buried" as points of the triangle, and that's why they couldn't understand it... they only saw the one point as being the answer, his being buried was all they thought it was in interpreting "in the heart of the earth", as being in a tomb... but it was a spiritual reference... "being in the hands of sinful men", men of the world, not of God.
But they only misunderstood one event, the disappearance at the tomb. So they were "locked" out of understanding only 1 of your 3 contrived events. That's not a locked triangle.
Poor John is in a triangular wobbly world alternative dimension where the totally senseless seems to make sense, if you are a member of the Jesus Christ's Flying Circus. It's known to us on the outside as "paranoid schizophrenia," but hey, if time is a triangle to him, complete with locks, hey, who am I to argue with his psychosis.
ER, what the 3 days consisted of, was locked, they were locked out from understanding it, until the angels explained it. It wasn't just the 1 item, the tomb, it was also the other 2 items: "judged" and "crucifixtion" that needed to be included to understand... that it was the entire time Jesus was in the hands of sinful men. It locks it as being a truthful account in that they admitted they were confused, sad, and walking away thinking it was wrong compared to what they thought they were told. The people giving the eye witness account, they were admitting they didn't know... until the angels told them. They were simply being honest about not knowing, then later being told they had misunderstood... and that locks the account as being truthful... though you'll deny it.
John, I have from the beginning found no truth whatsoever in your assertion but I am trying to understand your psychosis a bit. Even crazy people have a logic (to them). And while I may not ever understand your logic, from my perspective your story breaks down in several places (aside from it just being totally insane).
You keep asserting the importance of 3, which is obviously important because of your religious delusion. However, I contest that Jesus had exactly 3 events of note, since his birth would seem important to me if I were a nut like you. Anyone could dispute it since you have no fact whatsoever. They may feel there are more or less events, and it is equally as factual as your 3 events. This poses a problem for your other fascination with the triangle.
You also have this fascination with "locking" which I admit I have no idea what importance this could hold for you. I guess it has something to do with your need to feel your beliefs are fact and so this "locks" or cements it into fact for you. Unless you also have a pro wrestling fixation, which has arm LOCKS, TRIANGLE chokes and CRUCIFIXION pins, but then I wouldn't see a biblical connection.
In any case, you keep repeating the locking has to do with their enlightenment about the empty tomb, which of course is ONE event. I don't see what enlightenment they gained during the other 2 events.
Interestingly I am watching Through The Wormhole "Did We Invent God" and it is talking about what we are talking about. You are seeing importance and divinity in exactly (and only) in what you want to see it in. You're looking for 3 events because you feel 3 is important to the idea of the trinity. The other elements of your psychosis are compelling you to make sense of other nonsense, (days/events are areas of volume forming a triangle, the fascination with equating your belief with a lock on truth) then chalk the whole thing up to god allowing you alone to make sense of it because you are special and we are not. And oh, how you want us to be special too, so you say, but we just don't believe and so aren't as special as you in this cold universe.
I think we are kindred spirits, Endy. I often find I come here to try to fathom the minds of people who are very nearly insane. I do find that I get distracted by their annoying beliefs, but there is something fascinating about getting an inside glimpse into a deeply irrational mind.
I am very glad to be a voyeur and not a participant, however.
JohnnyGuitar: maybe we are kindred spirits – I play guitar!
Johnny Guitar is a very strange western film starring Sterling Hayden and Joan Crawford. I happened to see Johnny Guitar on TV recently, so it stuck. Sort of.
I tried to play guitar, but it turns out that I just don't have musical talent, despite having tried for a few years.
I think Johnny Guitar was also the name of the guitar player from whatever band Ringo left to join the Beatles, but I could be wrong.
I had to re-read this entire string of craziness to make sure I hadn't dreamed it. John, you need some serious psychological help. There is no significance to the apostles' professed confusion and later admission of it. It doesn't "make the story true."
Someone wrote the story. You have NO verification that it wasn't complete fiction. None of you do. You believe it. Why can't any of you be honest and say just that? Why do you continue to post here about "truth" and "reality" and "proof" when you don't have them? Why do you think you need them if your faith is, or should be, all?
"what the 3 days consisted of, was locked, they were locked out from understanding it, until the angels explained it"
They were locked out from understanding it?????.......... obviously you have been "locked out" of accepting reality.
Tom, if God was standing right in front of you, you would deny he was there. Admit it. The sun becoming like black sackcloth of hair, should have told you the apostle was right in saying God had showed it to him, when you saw the "dark hair on the sun" image from NASA. But your job is to be skeptical, and deny everything, until someone asks if you exist.
Jeez another pathetic religious zealot with nothing but assertions.
It's best to be skeptical, John. Wait for the right God to come along, make itself evident as the Creator, guarantor of an eternal life of bliss, etc. Don't bank on rumors.
Fin, God has a plan and a timeline for everything. He knows the end from the beginning. Part of the setup is to allow time for people to gain understanding of what he's done, and what others have done. If God gave the apostles instant understanding, and all the people they talked to, the same... there'd be no timeline to record in the accounts. That's part of the problem with knowing God is there, there is no need for God to prove himself to them anymore... you for instance... you have the proof, but you want to play with your food and throw it on the floor rather than consume it.
John, you might want to stick with hallucinations. Your attempt at logic left me with even less respect for you than normal.
ER, it will stay nonsense to you, until you want to know God. That's between you and him, I get nothing out of it other than saying he's right, as you say he isn't.
Do you take lessons from Robert Brown on here? He tries to pull the same confirmatory bias "Believe first, then it'll make sense" bullshit your doing right now.
Johnny, honey, I don't know if you're stupid or crazy. Probably both. Your ridiculous posts don't have the slightest relationship to the real world and your obsession with the sun and hair and triangles is just creepy.
Get some help. Seriously.
Bob, there are no triangle days in the Bible. That's not God talking; it's your invention. Nobody is going to have to answer to anyone about your bizarre misinterpretation of a book of ancient rural peasant superstitions.
HG, likewise for how I view your statements. I already know God is there. It is impossible for me to "lose faith" in what I already know is true, so you can make claims against God and none of it has any effect... to me anyway. Others might see what you say and be convinced, but then if they're not bothering to look at what God said, then they're setting themselves up to fall away. And really, skeptics have been saying "prove God exists" for about as long as God has made himself known, and God has made himself known... but not to you... so you rant about it and throw your food on the floor, rather than eat it.
How pathetic. Instead of actually addressing your espousal of confirmatory bias, you go off on a complete Red Herring. Congrats, you know how to pathetically use logical fallacies to not address someone pointing out your logical fallacies. You are indeed, a perfect example of the standard moronic zealot.
Well, John, I'm impressed by claims of direct and personal knowledge of God. I don't know why it would reveal itself to some, but not others, but I can't counter a claim of an entirely personal experience. I must say, though, it's not of any real use to me. If God exists but only manifests itself to some, then it may as well not exist for me.
Hang in there Johnny! Oh, I am attempting to triangulate the verses you are speaking about as to 3 days. What verses you are including? –Thanks
Fred, the verse with Jesus telling them he'd be in "heart of the earth" is Mat 12:40. The verse where the angels explain what Jesus meant as it being a spiritual reference is:
Luke 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.
Jesus was in the hands of sinful men on Thursday evening, Crucified and died by Friday evening (start of the sabbath), and rose again early Sunday morning.... a full 3 days and nights.
Where have you been chrsitard, church. How was the sermon and how much cash did the scam artists suck out of you?
Meant for tbt, but he may of guessed, then again.....
The Sodomites are havin' their version of fun here, well, as much fun as groupies and guppies can.