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February 18th, 2013
09:55 AM ET

Could Pope Benedict be put on trial?

(CNN)–Pope Benedict XVI's resignation brings calls for his prosecution. CNN's Nic Robertson investigates the claims.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Bishops • Catholic Church • Courts • Pope Benedict XVI • Vatican

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  1. stop the hypocrisy, start the action

    The truth of the matter is, every time an article like this is published we see emotions, anger at the church, just a pretense , maybe?

    The bigger question to the 'secular humanist' is what have you done to prevent an abuse today in society? Are children any more protected because of your anger at the priests in general? What about abuse happening in homes and other places? who is up in arms against those children that are hurting today?

    Those priests that are truly guilty of this heinous crime ought to be brought to justice.

    We thank the vast majority of priests that served in truth and lived a dedicated life in serving God and mankind.

    February 18, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • Clues to the clueless

      You are such a brainless twit. The problem was not so much that they had predators, but that they covered-up for the predators, hiding them from prosecution, disappearing all information on it, and sending the priests to other places where they could continue to molest.

      That is what people are angry about, and it has almost no parallel in society. Instead of acting responsibly, they hid the crimes and protected the priests. The Catholic church committed conspiracy on a massive, world-wide scale, employing the same strategy from America to Europe to Africa to Asia. That doesn't happenm unless teh response was ordered from the Vatican.

      Nice try pretending that all of society is like the Catholic Church. I love the way you are Christ-like and lie to protect conspirators.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • My anger at the church releases endorphins and..

      makes the world a much safer place of children. heave-ho!

      February 18, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      "Are children any more protected because of your anger at the priests in general?"

      My child is, because I will never willingly take her into a Church and tell her the single guy that run's it should be trusted because God trusts him and leave her in his care to be "tutored".

      February 18, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • justice

      the worst crimes were the cover ups by the pope, cardinals and bishops. Many lives destroyed, some children later committed suicide.

      I hope they prosecute the pope, bishops and cardinals.

      February 18, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      Attacking others to try to deny the Church's responsibility?

      And I've done plenty. First and foremost, I've held every organization I am part of, accountable, if they EVER tried to cover up pedophilia. I don't donate, I don't join, or if it were the schools or gov't, I'd be all over getting people removed from office. As happened in many other cases in the public sector.

      What have you done?

      February 19, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • Jane Maple

      What have we atheists done to prevent child abuse? We are doing our darndest to force the Churches to stop abusing children.

      February 19, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Secular organizations have done lots to prevent child abuse. All the sports organizations I coach within demand police background checks for all team officials and have strict rules about no coaches being alone with athletes. And all suspected abuse cases are investigated and charges laid when warranted. The RCC stands out as a criminal organization that continues to hide pedophiles.

      February 19, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
  2. Rollo Tomasi

    As long as he stays in the Vatican, he cannot be extradited. That's the cool thing about owning your own country. Never have to answer for your crimes, and you never have to pay taxes. I'm surprised the mafia and corporationslike Enron haven't done the same thing.

    February 18, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Bewby

      Corporations actually have done this already. Go look up the city of London which is a small city named london in the middle of london that makes its own laws counts as its own country and is owned by the biggest corporations in the world..basically the business vatican.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
  3. bobk52

    Is school off today? All the kids are back online!

    February 18, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • Draco

      Actually, yes. It's Presidents Day.

      February 18, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
  4. bobk52

    Yes, now we will find the secret Nazi gold!

    February 18, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Hmmmmm

      All the Nazi gold is obviously being held in their secret moon base and we won't find out about it till the invasion begins, Moon Nazi's Attack!!!

      February 18, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
  5. Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

    Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?
    =================================================

    Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):

    During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

    John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):

    I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.

    Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):

    If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.

    Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):

    All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

    February 18, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • platever

      I know some of you would love for Christianity to be the source of all suffering and evil, but in the real world this just isn't true. The fruit of our faiths is one of the easiest searches on the internet so there is no reason for me to go into it.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • End Religion

      @platever: you're referring to p0rn?

      February 18, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      " The fruit of our faiths " has rotted and fermented and now you are drunk on the blood of the innocent and you don't even know it. Any quick internet search will show you what the Christian religion has really been doing for the last two thousand years and anyone who will tell you with a straight face that it's all good is either telling you a bald faced lie or has been so lied to themselves they have no way to discern between fact and fiction and live in a fantasy world where magic and miracles happen often and they can call upon the powers of the universe by closing their eyes and thinking really hard at the creator because they happen to be in a traffic jam and it's getting them really frustrated...

      February 18, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • LinCA

      @platever

      You said, "The fruit of our faiths is one of the easiest searches on the internet so there is no reason for me to go into it."
      True. Flying airplanes into buildings, bombing of abortion clinics and houses of worship, promotion of hate of gays, suppression and denial of science, are just a few of the jewels of the "fruit of faith" that you can easily find.

      It isn't the good that you do in name of your faith that defines you, it is the unnecessary evil.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • Mark

      Everyone sees the symptoms. Because certain notable people have written about it only indicates they weren't so far removed from reality they didn't see it as well. Bravo to them.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
    • platever

      @Mass Debater
      @LinCA
      You two seem to assume that I deny the evils done in the name of religions or that I think the good justifies the evil. And You are wrong. You probably also assume I'm a believer. I'm answering the question of if any good has come from faiths. And ofcourse the answer if yes, and its easy to find numerous examples.

      February 18, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • LinCA

      @platever

      You said, "You two seem to assume that I deny the evils done in the name of religions or that I think the good justifies the evil."
      No, but by focusing on the good, you do paint a far rosier picture than is warranted.

      You said, "You probably also assume I'm a believer."
      The thought had crossed my mind.

      You said, "I'm answering the question of if any good has come from faiths."
      Some people need faith and religion to do good.

      You said, "And ofcourse the answer if yes, and its easy to find numerous examples."
      There are also plenty of examples of doing good without the help of religion. Faith and religion are not required to do good, and we can certainly do without all the nasty stuff.

      February 18, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      @platever –

      I don't see any good from religion, that doesn't come the same without religion. Religious charities – there are also non-religious charities. I don't see a reason to think those people funding religious charities require religion to do good, considering the non-religious don't require religion to do good. Statistically, the non religious do a bit better on several marks, so religion could be a net negative, especially as some religious charities are far more about getting people to join their religion, than acutally doing any charity.

      February 19, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
  6. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    February 18, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!~

      February 18, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • You are a thief

      I really like the way you plagiarized your name from a 60s hippy slogan: "war is not healthy for children and other living things." Totally dishonest, of course, but we expect nothing less from you moral Christians.

      Gotta love Christians. They haven't got an idea of their own, and have to steal theirs from hippies.

      February 18, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • just wondering

      How can it be plagiarized if it's not the same statement?
      How can it be plagiarized if it's the same author?
      How can it be plagiarzed when it's true?

      February 18, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      just sayin
      You really are a special type of moron aren't you.
      Plagarizing has nothing to do with truth of that which was stolen.
      The name itself is not true either.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can plagerize from your country..."

      @just nothing – you lie, you steal, you knowingly misrepresent and yet you still think you're a Christian? I find it so amusing how many Christians expose themselves as hypocritcal liars rejecting the principles found in the bible all while attempting to prove their righteousness. It would be sad if it wasn't so funny.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Altered States

      "Prayer changes things". Can you give me an example?

      February 18, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
    • Altered States

      Prayer. What a joke.

      February 18, 2013 at 4:15 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      Prayer... it's the least you can do.

      Literally.

      February 19, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
  7. preamble

    I know a lot of catholic's and know not of one that was hurt by the church or their parish.

    February 18, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Are you denying that s3x abuse occurred at the hands of pedophile priests?

      February 18, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Doobs

      Well, since you say you don't know anyone who has been hurt by the RCC, that must mean it never happened, right?

      February 18, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • Al

      And the holocaust never happened because the Vatican could never be associated with such atrocities as that.

      February 18, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
  8. Jacky

    Catholicism is Sanctuary.

    February 18, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
  9. IsalandAtheist

    YES

    February 18, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • Psst

      * you might want to fix the typo in your screen name...

      (Isa-Land would probably be a Muslim theme park or something!)

      February 18, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • IslandAtheist

      thanks

      February 18, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
  10. fred

    The High Priests of the Jewish religion in Jesus day brought false charges against an innocent to safeguard their power. How fitting that the secular godless put the High Priest on trial to safeguard their godless power.
    How fitting that secular judge ask the Pope “what is truth” given relativism of the secular and atheist masses can no longer see absolute truth, only what suits their pleasures today.

    Today’s pleasure is to crucify the Pope while the criminal is set free. Liberal media with its constant $exualization of the children and parents is criminal. Crucify him crucify him they shout. Take down the church and the head so we can be free to honor the god of naturalism. Egyptian gods of frogs, birds and snakes

    February 18, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Deflect and deny – that's all you believers can do. You should be standing up and calling for Pope-A-Dope to be brought to justice. And you should remember that all the victims were, and many still are, catholics. But you prefer to believe in an atheist conspiracy. But you believe in imaginary beings, so you are predisposed to believing bullsh!t.

      February 18, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • Casey

      You live in a fantasy world of straw men, while only you brandish the fire with which to dispatch them.

      This Pope knowingly permitted cover-ups of priest molestation of minors. I do not know he should be prosecuted, but the Godless have nothing to do with it. The corrupting influence of a religious structure that demands accountability from its patrons in the form of monetization of morality, yet lacks accountability from its priesthood is in question here, not the Godless.

      Look at the church before you demonize those that demand changes from it. Thousands of lives have been irrevocably changed by this scandal, the Pope has some role in it. We are fit to judge the Pope, as we are people in a society that HAS been changed by it.

      February 18, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • fred

      HotAirAce
      It is godless conspiracy to $exualize our society. This is what happened in the days of old and today is no different. Pleasure and the pride of pleasure is the lure and God stands against it because of the damage it brings. Even if you do not believe in God restraint is always needed.

      The problem with the church was ho-m0$exual lust for young vulnerable boys was thought to be a problem that prayer could resolve. There is no doubt this is the predatory ho-mo$exual lust Paul was talking about when he said such as these will not enter the gates of heaven.
      Since you think the Pope should not have allowed ho-m0$exuals private setting with boys they have power over why would you today demand the Boy Scouts allow hom-o$exual scout masters to lord over boys in private settings? What exactly is your agenda?

      February 18, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
    • fred

      Casey
      The godless have everything to do with it. $exualization of our society continues to destroy the young. Priests and atheists can be godless in their ways with the only difference being the cross they bare. God made it clear and gave an absolute truth that children need to be protected and brought up in the way of God. Outside of that we are godless.
      If people did what God commanded for our children we would not be in this mess and the Pope could be spared the loss of the church.

      February 18, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Well, you must be in on the conspiracy, freddy, if you're "baring" crosses.

      February 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • fred

      Tom Tom
      We are all in it up to our eyeballs. Martin Luther carries his cross based on the Bible he claimed to be the infallible word of God and nails the Pope to the cross. The Pope carries a gold staff with a gold Christ nailed on it claiming he (the Pope) is the infallible word of God not the bible. Both were so wrong in many ways yet the sheep follow the wrong shepherd when the true voice is not heard.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      "It is godless conspiracy to se.xualize our society."

      To me it is the religious who have "se.xualized" our society. It is the religious per.verts who chase after the little 3 and 4 year olds trying to force them to wear clothes as they feel completely normal wearing just their skin, but it takes the disgusting perverts who have to look away saying "Dear God, I can see a v.a.g.ina! Cover your daughters up!"

      I believe the most se.xualized societies are actually the most repressed like those in Muslim countries. Because they have such an extreme ban on anything se.x.ual their per.versions are hightened albeit more hidden. By contrast there have been studies done on the se.x.ualization found in nu.dist colonies and amazingly they have the lowest rates of hyperse.xualized per.version. I will add that they also found that nu.dists had the least sens.ationalized and thus the most boring s.e.x, so that is one thing religion has done for the bedroom, it made things taboo which tends to keep it spi.cy...

      February 18, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      Also of note, if you are a believer, why would God not have clothed Adam and Eve himself if that were his intent? Instead it wasn't until Adam and Eve had eaten of the fruit gaining the knowledge of good and bad that they even noticed they were naked, which pretty much says the God of your bible doesn't care about our nakedness, only other humans do.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • fred

      Mass Debater
      Adam and Eve were naked because the covering of God was not on them. They could now see just as the serpent said they would see. They were ashamed at who they were outside of God’s presence and complete dependence upon God. The word of God is very simplistic for anyone that really wants to hear it.

      This same line is continued in Christ. We do not become one with God again because of anything we do (with or without clothes). We only enter the Kingdom in Christ. Christ is our covering. God is burning holiness such that even seraphim cover their eyes. We can only be with God when we are in Christ.

      The Hebrew of the Old Testament had a $ex problem and attempted to control it through the Law. As Paul said the Law only served the purpose of making man aware of sin and need of repentance. We have a $ex problem just like the church has a $ex problem. This is to bring us to awareness that without the presence of God and the covering of Christ we are lost. The Bible is all about turning around from our nakedness and becoming clothed in God once again.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Aaaaaand the joke goes right over fred's empty noggin, as usual.

      When you figure it out, fred, notify the media.

      February 18, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      "The Bible is all about turning around from our nakedness and becoming clothed in God once again."

      You forget fred, I have read the bible many times and your understanding of Genesis is extremely lacking. The nakedness was not a metaphor being used to describe mankind without God, it was a very real state of having clothing or not having clothing as Gen 3:7 says " Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves."

      Also, you dodge the primary point I make about religion being the core source for perversion by claiming s.ex as taboo. If we were able to rid the world of religion and all it's pointless taboos against our bodies the cases of pedophiles and perverts would drop dramatically. Religion is the root cause of these perverts much like sensationalizing alcohol by banning it till age 21 has been shown to create drinking problems as opposed to countries that do not ban it and let their kid's drink responsibly at young ages takes the excitement and taboo out of alcohol and they grow up to be far more responsible drinkers that are less likely to abuse alcohol. And the same is true for s.ex, the less taboo we make it, the early we talk to our kids about it and the more normal we make it the less likely we are to have children pushing it's boundries and abusing it and then growing into adult abusers who are stuck at some prepubecent s.exual mental age which often can turn into an active pedophile.

      If you want to protect your kids ditch the bible along with it's polygammy, inc est and laws to marry your r a p i s t all while murdering gay couples. There is no doubt in my mind it does far more harm than good for mankind.

      February 18, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
    • fred

      Tom Tom
      Bear•ing in mind you may have used the 'Transitive Verb for bare I assumed your usage of baring ‘cross-references’ were in fact the present participle form so I did chuckle a bit. Had you said bares [3rd-person singular present] then it would have been the perfect segway into the Trinity.

      February 18, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      "Priests and atheists can be godless in their ways with the only difference being the cross they bare."

      Tom called you out on this spelling error but I can see it from this spelling perspective as it does seem that Christians like to put a nearly unclothed Christ up on their crosses, what effect does that have to the women and gay men in the faith? To see all that sweaty ripped Christ flesh just hanging there before their eyes each Sunday, no wonder they are so ready to "sin" by Sunday afternoon. That coupled with the get out of heII free card by just repeating your "sins" to a priest who sit's behind a screen so you can't see him stroking it to the sordid story under his robes.

      February 18, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      fred,

      The verb "bare" means to uncover or expose. "Bear" means to carry.

      The Catholics (and some Episcopalians) cover up the crucifix with a purple hood during Holy Week, so I suppose you could say that they "bare" the cross when they uncover it, but that's about it.

      February 18, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • fred

      Mass Debater
      When you read genesis did you read it as a believer seeking God or from an academic point? Reason I ask is because God killed the first animal to make clothes for Adam and Eve. This was the first symbolic sacrifice in bloods atonement for sin. Nakedness was not the sin.
      They hid from God and made fig leaves to hide their nakedness. The covering man provided (fig leaves never works to cover sin) was insufficient and God provided the covering (sacrifice symbolic in the perfect lamb of the Old Testament and Christ in the new)

      February 18, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • fred

      A Frayed Knot
      The Pope and church must carry the burden of what they have done in the name of God while the atheist must carry the burden of what they have done in the name of godlessness.
      Both crosses are naked. The Pope and church are exposed and the godless are exposed in their part of the abuse that focuses on innocent children.

      February 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      fred, I have absolutely no problem calling you a fucking disgusting, mentally ill, sick, delusional pig! There is no defense for The RCC and The Rat. I dare you to watch Mea Maxima Culpa and listen to what current and former priests have to say. If you are truly a christian, and I think are more sick than a true believer, you really should be on your knees asking for forgiveness for defending child molesters, and shifting blame away from the RCC. You are doubly disgusting for trying to link homosexuality and pedophiliia. You, and all that would defend these criminals, are beneath contempt. Fuck off you fucking idiot!

      February 18, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
    • fred

      HotAirACe
      Suggest you read before you pop off in defense of your sin. I never said I agree with the Pope or Church. I said they are as much to blame as other godless people who abuse the vulnerable. Pay attention first then defend your sin.

      As to the Priests 78% of the abuse was ho-mo$exual abuse on young vulnerable boys not children. Stop twisting the facts. You linked ho-mo$exuals to pedophilia not me. That has been one big cover up. Attempting to claim it was something other than ho-mo$exual conduct is the big scam because of the media clout that wants the pleasure of a $exualized children.
      Do the world a favor and go after the media that $exualized children for their pleasure not the few Priests. Last I saw the statistics for abuse by Priests was not that much different than other similar areas. The difference is these were a high concentration of men on boys unlike the public schools where we have a greater distribution of girls

      February 18, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
    • Giggling Merlin

      Fred, the Vatican's own investigation disproved your claim.

      February 18, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
    • fred

      Giggling Merlin
      The Vatican is still covering up we need the blue dress.

      February 18, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      fred, you were the first to mention homosexuality – read your own post to learn what a liar your are. No matter how cleverly you worded it, you were trying to rationalize the RCC's actions and blame the secular world. You would do anything to protect your delusional god and jesus myths. You are, and anyone that in anyway defends the RCC is, a mentally ill pig.

      February 19, 2013 at 1:04 am |
  11. thomas

    Catholicism is Satanism.

    February 18, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • JWT

      Please don't insult satanism.

      February 18, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
  12. Dave8582

    I would like to see all the church's assets sold and the proceeds given to the poor and victims of the priests.

    Religion...all religion... is false. All gods are no more real than Santa Claus, or unicorns. If this is not true, then produce empirical evidence for the existence of the gods.

    Cheers!

    February 18, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • Dr John Smythe

      The 'Summa Theologea' (also improperly spelled as "Summa Theologica") by Thomas Aquinas proves the existence of God and the Catholic Church as the one true Church. It uses only logical rational arguments and has never been disproved despite being written in the Middle Ages.

      There is your, and all else's proof.

      Proof that has never been disproven. But it has been ignored, for that very reason...

      February 18, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It isn't proof, and you're a lying SOB.

      February 18, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Aquinas's arguments are flawed logic and prove nothing.

      February 18, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • Chris

      And how about telling us how you prove the non-existence of something, such as "the gods", arguably an impossibility? And you commit a basic error with the straw man argument that unless something is directly empirically verifiable, then it allegedly does not exist. This would exclude many realities and experiences of the human person, including ones claimed by the natural sciences. There are many things we only know of by observing the effects, and then reason that there must be a cause proportionate to produce that effect; but we have not actually directly seen the cause. So why should this process be excluded when it comes to proving the existence of a divine being, but allowed for everything else, unless you have a pre-existing conclusion you wish to be true rather than having demonstrated it. It is also intellectual immaturity to think that the natural sciences provide all knowledge and method to the exclusion of all else.

      February 19, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      One cannot prove the non-existence of anything. Therefore, the onus is on those claiming the existence of something as unique as a creator. Do you have any evidence that shows that this universe couldn't possibly have come about in any other way? How do you know? Based on what?

      Of course, science doesn't have an answer for everything. That's what makes it different from religious belief. The scientist says "I don't know, but will continue to look for an answer." The believer just says, "God must have done it because I don't have any other explanation."

      February 19, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
  13. Topher

    Hey guys! What should we talk about you today? What about the article on prolapsed.net, which shows pics of my mom and the former pope?

    February 18, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • *

      TROLL HIJACKER ALERT!

      February 18, 2013 at 11:53 am |
  14. Morning

    Just googled Mea Maxima Culpa, it is available to be viewed online for those that are intrested, haven't watched it yet, but will when I get the time.

    February 18, 2013 at 11:34 am |
  15. Joe

    This is all the American crazies and liberals do.

    February 18, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • LinCA

      @Joe

      You said, "This is all the American crazies and liberals do."
      Trying to protect those that can't protect themselves, and prosecuting those responsible for abuse, is what civilized people do. Shielding the perpetrators is what criminals do.

      February 18, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Mea Maxima Culpa shows that this – it's an American problem – is one if the ways TheRat tried to deflect responsibility. It is a lie.

      February 18, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • Altered States

      Joe, if anyone is crazy here, it is you. If you think that exposing a felony of this magnitude and the on-going conspiracy of denial and silence among a bunch of pedophiles is a "Liberal Thing", then you are JUST AS GUILTY as they are. Did you ever hear of the Scripture; "When the blind lead the blind, they BOTH fall into the ditch". In other words, all parties involved are guilty as charged!!

      Or, maybe, you are part of the cover-up, and was sent in here to "muddy the waters" in order to protect these hypocrites.

      Remember, if you side with these guys, you will, someday, have to answer for your decision to do so. As for me, I'll take my chances and vote to convict!!

      February 18, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
  16. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    Joey Ratzinger is just the latest participant in an ancient crime. All of the RCC clergy should be arrested. No conjugal visits from altar boys will be allowed.

    February 18, 2013 at 11:06 am |
  17. AtheistSteve

    Perhaps the skit from Saturday Night Live would apply. DJesus Uncrossed could go all Rambo on the retiring Pope for a fitting ending to his infamous reign as Holy pedophile protector.

    February 18, 2013 at 11:01 am |
  18. tallulah13

    If there is evidence that shows he is guilty, he should be tried and convicted like any other person.

    February 18, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • Altered States

      You ask "IF" there is any evidence they should be prosecuted? Their is no "IF" about it. The Pope has openly admitted that RCC priests have sodomized Altar Boys. Just because he said the RCC is "sorry", does not get them "off the hook". The Pope and the entire "priesthood" should be persecuted.

      February 18, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Watch Mea Maxima Culpa. Pope-A-Dope is guilty or the doc.umentary makers will be getting sued. It is only because the RCC supported Mussolini that the Vatican is considered a state and TheRat is protected

      February 18, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I only say "if" to imply that the Pope is subject to the same laws as everyone else. He deserves his day in court, and if there is any justice in this world, he will be punished.

      February 18, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @Altered States

      'You ask "IF" there is any evidence they should be prosecuted? Their is no "IF" about it. The Pope has openly admitted that RCC priests have sodomized Altar Boys. Just because he said the RCC is "sorry", does not get them "off the hook". The Pope and the entire "priesthood" should be persecuted.'

      Arguing that an entire organizatio should be "persecuted" (or prosecuted?) due to the crimes of some of its members is every bit as absurd as anything the Catholic Church has ever said.

      February 18, 2013 at 4:15 pm |
    • Altered States

      Oops! Make that PROSECUTED and not PERSECUTED. Sorry for the typo.

      February 18, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
  19. HotAirAce

    If the docuumentary Mea Maxima Culpa is even close to the truth, Pope-A-Dope should be, and hopefully will be, charged, tried, convicted and hung by his testicles, and the RCC's coffers emptied.

    February 18, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • Morning

      Hot....
      Has Mia Maxima Culpa been shown somewhere in America? Would love to watch it if you have a link. I would not be surprised if the catholic bishop's would try to get it banned.

      February 18, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • HotAirAce

      It was on CBC (Canadian) last night.

      February 18, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • Morning

      Hot
      Thanks, found the link.

      February 18, 2013 at 11:49 am |
  20. Poltergeist

    TL;dr

    February 18, 2013 at 10:25 am |
    • LinCA

      @Poltergeist

      You said, "TL;dr"
      Shouldn't that be, tl;dw?

      February 18, 2013 at 10:29 am |
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