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February 24th, 2013
08:02 AM ET
Pope Benedict leads his last 'Angelus'By Ben Brumfield and Ben Wedeman, CNN Vatican City (CNN) – Pope Benedict XVI delivered his final public prayer ceremony Sunday to a crowd of thousands at St. Peter's Square in Vatican City. And he explained his decision to step down. "Thank you for your affection," the pope told the crowd as he appeared at the window of his apartment overlooking the square. As is customary, he opened the weekly Angelus prayer with a short sermon. Benedict spoke on the Transfiguration of Christ, one of the key moments in Jesus' life on Earth, when, according to the church, he took three disciples to pray on a mountain. During his prayers, Jesus was miraculously changed and filled with light. The crowd interrupted Benedict with rousing applause, as he told them that God wanted him to do the same.
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How many kids got bvttfvcked at the ceremony?? It's okay. The church is allowed to bvttfvck children.
Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.
Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease. Realistically, many abortions could be avoided if a morning-after pill would not is not viewed as such an evil option. Many of these same people bring children into the world at a high pace, and then would prefer that the rest of society take over and educate their children in their particular brand of religion when they don't plan well and don't want to violate their silly beliefs.
Recently we learned of the head of LCMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.
One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.
One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".
One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.
On sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.
Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.
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Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?
Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.
Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):
If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.
Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/cardinal-keith-o-brien-accused-inappropriate
Spiritual Truth
To find the absolute truth go to http://www.gaychristian101.com
Ask; and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).
This guy doesn't know the meaning of the word truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcyW7rMYR7A
Who ordered the spam?
AvdBerg did.
From the topic :
"Benedict spoke on the Transfiguration of Christ, one of the key moments in Jesus' life on Earth, when, according to the church, he took three disciples to pray on a mountain. During his prayers, Jesus was miraculously changed and filled with light."
But historically was there such an event?
As per the rigorous analyses by many contemporary NT scholars, it was not. See for example, http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb184.html and Professor Gerd Ludemann' review in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 58-61.
The analyses show that the story was originated by Mark and then copied by Matthew and Luke. (Mark 9:2-10 = Matt 17:1-9 = Luke 9:28-36)
Strange that the RCC has not rebutted these conclusions but then again maybe B16 saw the "writing on the wall" and decided it was time to get out before the walls come a-tumbling down.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/cardinal-keith-o-brien-accused-inappropriate
Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.
Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease. Realistically, many abortions could be avoided if a morning-after pill would not is not viewed as such an evil option. Many of these same people bring children into the world at a high pace, and then would prefer that the rest of society take over and educate their children in their particular brand of religion when they don't plan well and don't want to violate their beliefs.
Recently we learned of the head of LCMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.
One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.
One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".
One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.
On sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.
Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.
==========================================
Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?
Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.
Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):
If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.
Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.
Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease. Realistically, many abortions could be avoided if a morning-after pill would not is not viewed as such an evil option. Many of these same people bring children into the world at a high pace, and then would prefer that the rest of society take over and educate their children in their particular brand of religion when they don't plan well and don't want to violate their beliefs.
Recently we learned of the head of LCMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.
One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.
One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".
One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.
On sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.
Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.
==============================================
Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?
Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.
Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):
If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.
Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Spiritual Truth
To find the truth go to http://www.gaychristian101.com
Ask; and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).
Members of the gay community must be getting desperate.
There are religions that do allow gay marriage.
In July 2012, the General Convention of the Episcopal Church approved a liturgy for blessing same-sex relationships.
Evangelical Lutheran Church allows congregations that choose to do so to recognize and bless same-sex unions
Judaism – The Reform and Reconstructionist Jewish movements have supported gay and lesbian rights, including same-sex marriage, since the mid-1990s. In June 2012, the Conservative Jewish movement approved a ceremony to allow same-sex couples to marry
Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations in 1996, the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations passed a resolution in support of same-sex marriage.
Also the United Church of Christ was I believe the first Christian denomination to perform gay marriage.
I believe some Quaker churches do as well.
In God's eyes it is all an abomination. For spiritual truth check http://WWW.AWORLDDECEIVED.CA
spammer selling a book = AvdBerg
spammer neither of these AvdBergs are the original ones.
And in the U.S., you'll soon see many more churches feel comfortable in starting to perform gay marriage, once they get rid of the DOMA (in the news, the White House has already let their position be known on the matter which will come up to the SCOTUS soon). It's just a matter of time. And, of course we all know gay marriage is legal all across Canada.
You don't think it could be just two different agendas by the same person dot?
@ clarity
For a better understanding we invite you to read the article 'Can Christianity or Any Other Relgion Save You?' listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca
The answer is no – it is all a deception.
Avdberg is a troll on this blog and they spam their website that is full of lies, don't bother visiting their site. This idiot is the laughing stock of the internet.
@ Pete
If that is the only response you could come up with, then you must be indeed an abomination!
Unless you repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan (whose spirit you are of) unto God, you will remain spiritually blind and separated from God (Acts 26:18).
LMAO oh....the boogie man is coming to get me....oh....the boogie man is coming to get me...oh...that's right it's a child's game and the boogie man doesn't exits.
You're an idiot AvdBerg which is why you're the laughing stock of the internet. ;-P
Andy van de Berg
There is no satan, also no god...these things were made up by men. The bible was written by men ( not one word was put there by any god). All religions were created by men and started as cults. Yours is no different.
Do not try to threaten me with your proxy threats.
I have gone to your website and I must tell you, that I and several of my friends find it absolutely hilarious.
You make a$$umptions and a$$ertions, then leap to wild unsubstantiatable conclusions, based on nothing but your opinion.
One of my friends is even coming up with a drinking game based on your site.
It should come with a warning :
"For entertainment purposes only", just like psychic hotlines and other frauds and shams.
@ Richard Cranium
The Word of God was written by Holy Men inspired by the Spirit of God that the natural man like yourself is unable to understand (1 cor. 2:14). It fact it is mere foolishness to you as it is spiritually discerned. For this reason our message remains the same: Ye must repent and turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan (whose spirit you are of) unto God (Acts 26:18).
Our website has shown the narrow road that leads to 'Life' to many people since it was launched in 2005.
Your site is full of lies, you are the work of Satan, which is why you are blinded to the real truth and have to spam your site to promote your book. God wants nothing to do with you!
@ Richard Cranium
The future will confirm that you have been deceived by the spirit of this world (Satan).
http://WWW.AWORLDDECEIVED.CA
Andy
The "word of god" was written by men...as you have no proof of the existance of such a being, all the rest is speculation...to attempt to claim it as truth is nothing short of lying. Instead of saying it is the truth, you can honestly say I BELIEVE it to be the truth...see the difference?
AvdBerg is a troll on this blog and a proven liar, they are only here to sell their book and website to support their cult.
Click the report abuse link to get rid of this troll! .
Andy
Satan...really you come at me with that?
Satan is the creation of your god (though in reality they were both created by men)
God knew full well the repercussions of Him creating satan, so anything that satan does, God is directly responsible for.
God created this character, and created him knowing everything he would do from the time god created him until the end of time. Your god is an a hole, who is just messing with you.
You can stop with your proxy threats... It's the same as my saying to you that Freddie Kruger will come for you in your sleep.
Both are fictional characters.
How do you defend you gospel stories that look like copies of earlier pagan stores? Plagiarism by anticipation – that's the ticket. Just use Satan from ancient mythology and say that he wrote the fake stories first to come before the gospel stories. Plagiarism in reverse! The devil did it! wink wink. Who could use only that as a sorry excuse? Several early Christian apologists, that's who. (i.e., Justin Martyr) Paul probably got sick and ran a fever and hallucinated. That would scare anyone into searching for a non-reasonable answer to rest their mind. In the end, if you are a believer, you may as well be a Mormon since there is about as much credibility to Paul's story as there is for Joseph Smith & Related Familiies, Inc.
Just the claim alone that a being like Satan exists shoots huge holes into the other claim that concrete proof of Gods existence would violate our free will. Satan clearly had first hand knowledge (not just faith) of gods existence and yet still chose to turn away from him. So too did otheer characters in the Bible supposedly have first hand experience with the reality of God existence and also turned against him.
So I say put up or shut up. Give me proof and I will believe God is real. I still won't worship the monster but I'm sure some fence sitters with shaky faith would welcome the confirmation. After all isn't God concerned with saving the maximum number of souls? Looks like his methods need improvement.
chrissy is due to return to the asylum today...please disregard her rants, she is delusional and not taking her meds
Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.
Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease. Realistically, many abortions could be avoided if a morning-after pill would not is not viewed as such an evil option. Many of these same people bring children into the world at a high pace, and then would prefer that the rest of society take over and educate their children in their particular brand of religion when they don't plan well and don't want to violate their beliefs.
Recently we learned of the head of LCMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.
One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.
One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".
One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.
On sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.
Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.
================================================
Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?
Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.
Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):
If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.
Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Spiritual Truth
To find the truth go to http://www.gaychristian101.com
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).
spammer selling a book
So there's this the tool Mahoney that should go to jail; and then there's this possibly very hypocritical tool,
Cardinal Keith O'Brien of the UK, with accusations by four priests:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/cardinal-keith-o-brien-accused-inappropriate
Papal resignation linked to inquiry into 'Vatican gay officials', says paper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/pope-retired-amid-gay-bishop-blackmail-inquiry
Religion is truly the "opiate of the masses". The theoretical human raised in the wild by apes, would never naturally believe in a "god", oppose abortion and gay marriage, or profess any of the hocus-pocus nonsense spouted in churches every Sunday. All of that crappola has to be carefully implanted into the minds of children before they reach the age of reason.
Athiests do not "hate god" any more than they hate the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or the Great Pumpkin. Atheists just marvel that humans over the age of 7 believe in any of them.
FYI, the overwhelming majority of Atheists have very high IQs; and, Athiests as a group always score highest on tests about the subject of religion. Ironic, isn't it?
No we just believe in God. The Easter Bunny, etc, etc, are left in childhood where they belong because they're clearly fairy tales. There aren't any clear signs of their existence anyway. There are countless signs that we came from The Light. FYI. The societies that have been destroyed in the past (and they deserved it) were arrogant, rich, atheist and drumroll, "high IQ people." Lmao!!! Plenty of people from all walks of life have high IQ's you clown.
Red, there is just as much "proof" for your god as there is for Poseidon, except that your god is completely impotent whereas Poseidon has great control over bodies of water.
The people of faith have the proof. Atheists don't and they've never have and never will try to even see what it is. Fine with me. I'm good.
Atheists "don't have proof" of what, Red?
You don't have proof there's no Easter Bunny. You simply see no evidence for one.
I don't have proof there's no god. I simply see no evidence for one. Do you have any? What is it?
Why would I share the proof with someone like you? You're not worthy. Btw, 85% of the world has faith that we came from a higher power and we have to return to it. None of these people, including myself, continue reading the books about the Easter Bunny or Christmas stories about Santa. But yet we all continue to read the Holy Book. A Book that's relevant for all eras and Ages.If God and all of his creations are but a fairy tale then ALL OF US would've stopped reading the Book at the same time we stopped reading fairy tales. A man can't write 1 chapter of The Book. Never mind all of it. GOD OVER ALL...
Oh look as Red aka as always, aka jill, aka lol? aka just sayin are back from lunch break.
So basically, Red, you have no evidence, do you? It's just something 85% of people do. So they must be right.
Don't try to think about it too much, honey. Your single brain cell might explode.
By the way, Red, I don't necessarily consider myself "atheist." I don't claim to know if there's a god or not. I just don't see any evidence for one. Yet all of you seem to think you have some. Can you produce any? If you had any, I'd be perfectly open to seeing and hearing about it. Thus far, not one of you who claims that you "know God exists" can show proof, yet you go on claiming you have some.
What you have is faith. If your faith were enough, you wouldn't be pretending to have any evidence or proof. You'd simply go about your life as Christ commanded you to do and stop fvcking around pretending to have proof.
@ Red
<i<Why would I share the proof with someone like you? You're not worthy.
You bible commands you to share it, that's why. It also says that no one is worthy, which includes you. So you are disobeying god's direct command by failing to show a nonbeliever the "proof" you have. Such sinful behavior, tsk, tsk. Better get on your knees and beg for forgiveness.
Burn, baby, burn.
God does not interfere in the sins of men, we are allowed our mistakes and God does not take sides in sporting events either no matter what our prayers may be. To pray in such a fashion is to pray amiss.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence!
What about baseball?
I know god is a baseball fan because baseball is mentioned in the bible.
@chrissy
So prayer is useless, glad you finally see that. Moving on.
God loves all sports and if you don't start paying attention to His Word youll be under the terf long before you think your 10 innings are up! There's your sign.
People that spell turf 'terf' deserve to be struck in the beanbag with a brick baseball bat.
Well dumbocles
As in so many areas prayer can be false. There is a truth in prayer and there is a fake. You need to know God to know the difference, so the truth is lost to you dumbocles. For those requiring "proof" seek God with your whole heart and mind and soul, repent of your sins and accept Jesus as your salvation, then see what happens.
chrissy
Knute Rockne.
Chrissy: How old are you to resort to such immature tactics as name calling? You don't do yourself any justification by acting like a spoiled child who has been corrected and is not happy about it. Now at least try to back your claims with some evidence that has been peer reviewed within the last decade.
When speaking to a brick wall it is no insult to call it a brick wall. How vicious, cruel and hate filled atheism is.
"When speaking to a brick wall it is no insult to call it a brick wall. How vicious, cruel and hate filled atheism is."
pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot
chrissy hitchens
Soul is on bottom of your shoe can be replaced or repaired period.
chrissy hitchens: Intolerance of intolerance is a good thing. You've been asked to back your claims and yet you fail to...could this be due to the fact that you are unable to think for yourself or see past the buybull to comprehend anything rational???
I don't think it is spelling my name wrong as an insult, I think it's doing it because it is retarded. So, it claims that there is now false prayer and true prayer. A false prayer, I imagine, is one that doesn't come true and a true prayer is one that it's feeble little mind can trumpet 'oh see, that's the power of prayer!'. I wonder if it would have the gall to tell a child who prayed for his or her mom/dad to recover from cancer that their prayer was a false prayer and the deity has no time for such selfishness. Tool.
Damocles: Doesn't her claim on the prayer topic almost border on the No true scotsman fallacy?
I have lost all sense of reason and logic therefore I do not think for myself but believe everything my priest, pastor, minister, shaman, tells me, I am special god tells me so, if you do not belive as I do you are damned. I am an ignorant troll but am seeking help, not.
@truthprevails
I suppose. 'The only true prayers are the ones we say are true.' It really straddles the border between stupid and fvcking stupid.
Well, chrissy honey, lets hope your spirtual leader is not praying for more young prey. I don't suppose you have been there done that, have you? Maybe only boys in your area.
Sharpshooter fallacy. Acknowledge the hits while ignoring all the misses. Claims of working prayer are just that...coincidences and the like. Having an open mind is being receptive to all possibilities but a rational mind means also recognizing the absurdity of the far fetched possibilities. Prayer is one of those far fetched ideas.
Ahhh.
chrissy hitchens...same troll as truth be told, captain america, and a hundred other names it trolls under.
Nothing but a troll throwing red herrings.
Seek God in earnest prayer repent of your sins ask Jesus into your heart and see what happens. Proof provided.
So richard
Do you impart your activities to everyone else?
cap'n, how does one "impart activities"?
chrissy
In what way has atheism been responsible for what you say?
I guarantee I can show religion responsible for death and destruction to a far greater extent than you can link to atheism.
Throwing out ridiculous claims, is showing your prejudice and bigotry to people of differing views.
Atheism is not evil.
We simply do not buy the wild claims of religions.
I know you will not be able to show that atheism is the driviing force behind what you claim, though some who may have perpetrated the acts may have been atheist.
In fact for every one you might be able to link, I can show you hundreds where religion and belief were the driving force behind murder, wars, and other crimes against humanity...all done in the name of your god.
Ah geez, cue the tired 'but, but, hitler, pol and stalin were all atheists' rant.
And if you closely examine all those events and history you will find the roots of atheism in virtually every instance. Every atheist who has ever led a nation has suspended the rights of men and women and murdered millions of their own subjects.
Religion is truly the "opiate of the masses". The theoretical human raised in the wild by apes, would never naturally believe in a "god", oppose abortion and gay marriage, or profess any of the hocus-pocus nonsense spouted in churches every Sunday. All of that crappola has to be carefully implanted into the minds of children before they reach the age of reason.
Athiests do not "hate god" any more than they hate the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, or the Great Pumpkin. Atheists just marvel that humans over the age of 7 believe in any of them.
FYI, the overwhelming majority of Atheists have very high IQs; and, Athiests as a group always score highest on tests about the subject of religion. Ironic, isn't it?
Chrissy: Wow, at the root of almost everything is a belief in god. The Inquisition; the Crusades; the Salem Witch Trials; Hitler's reign; the Scopes Monkey Trial; the Dover Trial...the list goes on and on. What evidence do you have outside of your bible that you are even remotely correct? You seem to be under the impression that Atheists hate god, proving you have no knowledge of the meaning of the word. We don't hate god any more than we hate unicorns or fairies or Harry Potter, we simply do not see evidence to support any of this.
chrissy
now you are trying to twist history.
The driving force behind what you claim was not their theocratic view, but the political and economic forces.
The leaders who did this, if you study why they did what they did, did it because they saw religion as a way to control the populations, and they did not want anyone to have control but them.
Atheism not the driving force.
Get some history lessons, study the men, and then get back to me. You will discover just how wrong you are.
OR....
You can continue in your life of ignorance, which seems to be a comfort zone for you...after all, all religions are based in ignorance...making up answers to explain that which is not known.
And BTW, your religion IS based on someone elses suffering...is it not one of the most fundimental parts of your faith that jesus suffered and died for your sins? How absolutely immoral it is for christians to allow someone else to take their just punishment.
@chrissy
I'm not even sure why you would have an argument against those idiots anyway. They were just interested in justice, much like your deity. Why condemn them when you can't condemn your deity?
Well dumbocles
Historical facts are not rants. Those atheist tyrants murdered millions and you treat them as nothing in your response. How vicious, cruel and hateful atheism is.
"dumbocles"
proving once again the immaturity of christians
@chrissy
I treat the tyrants as nothing, yes. Do not be so tiresome as to think I have no sympathy for the victims.
"Historical facts are not rants. Those atheist tyrants murdered millions and you treat them as nothing in your response. How vicious, cruel and hateful atheism is."
this would be better read as "Historical facts are not rants. Those theist tyrants murdered millions and you treat them as nothing in your response. How vicious, cruel and hateful theism is."...
lets not forget other things theism does: bigotry against gays; control on women's rights; abuse of children; interference in almost every aspect of the public square even though the belief can't be taught in schools or used to make any law
chrissy
You are the one claiming that atheism is why they did what they did.
That shows you have not studied what actually happened.
Yes the men were atheists.
No that is not why they did what they did.
Again...atheism not the driving force, not the motivational force.
On the other hand, I can show many, many places that religion, and the belief that my god is correct and yours is not, were the driving force behind brutal murders, wars, and attempted and successful genocide.
Religions ARE the driving force in things like the crusades, the sapnish inquisition, and the destruction of many cultures and religions wherever the evangalicals who believed it was the "holy" duty to spread the "word of god"
Believe or die was a way of life for many who spread the "word"
@chrissy
Here, you waste of skin, let me toss a number at you: 26,500,000,000. I know, I know, it's a big number and you are probably having a hard time with it, but do you know what that could represent? That could represent the number of deity-approved abortions (miscarriages) that have happend over the last hundred years. Mmmm sweet, sweet justice. Twit.
"if you study the events carefully you will find [fill in the blank] at the root of them"
You could fill in the blank with 'water' just as easily as 'atheism'. Your misinformed maundering is debunked, refuted and dispelled about 10 times a day. None of these 'atheist' characters, whether they were atheist or not, killed in the name of a lack of belief in a god. Some of them suppressed religion as a tool to further the goal of totalitarian control.
"State-imposed atheism" is a misnomer; there can be no such thing. Imposed irreligion is not atheism. Atheism is only the lack of belief in a god; one can't force people to not believe in a god.
The actions of Mao, Pol and Joe (who attended seminary) were totalitarian opportunists. They sought total authority and banned religion that would compete with that authority. The pursuit of control over a people was the cause for the bloodshed.
Although Stalin initially sought to rid Russia of religion, once firmly in office he re-instituted the Russian Orthodox Church and re-opened theological schools. Suppression of religion was a tool not a reason.
Pol Pot is said to have practiced some Theravada Buddhism (and his Khmer Rouge were radical Buddhists. He studied at a Catholic school in Phnom Pen for 8 years. This mad man targeted not only religion but science, medicine and education. Political dissent was not permitted, with torture a common sentence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
Hitler was raised Catholic. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he made statements affirming a belief in Christianity. He called the purge of Jews "positive Christianity." While there is debate over his actual private feelings about the faith, he was a publicly practicing Christian. There exists no known evidence that Hitler was an atheist or agnostic. Again: evidence he was Christian; no evidence he was otherwise.
Hitler said: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
The Reichskonkordat was a treaty signed on 20 July 1933 between the Holy See (Catholic Church) and Nazi Germany, guaranteeing the rights of the Roman Catholic Church in Germany, giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, and placing constraints on Catholic critics of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to Nazi policies. Yes, the Catholic Church colluded with Nazis.
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?ti.tle=20th_century_atrocities (take dot out of 'title')
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
No atheist displays any compassion for the victims of atheism. How vicious, cruel and hate filled atheism is.
"victims of atheism"
what???? Once again the little girl makes a claim without backing it!
It also proves how little comprehensions she has of Atheists or the horror of her own belief system. Atheists don't use a god as an excuse for their hate and intolerance, if they hate at all. I'm guessing she also has no idea that there are a number of people out there who attend church every Sunday while no longer believing in the 2000 year old, out-dated fairy tale. Speaking of church, if she's such a good christian, why is she not worshiping her imaginary friend in 'its' house instead of being on a blog and lying incessantly?
Millions murdered by atheist Joe Stalin. Proof requested proof provided.
Oh look chrissy hitchens aka as always, aka jill, aka lol? aka just sayin are back from lunch break.
I think chrissy is shooting horse again... over and over we refute you nutters on this and you plod right ahead claiming the same lies. One would think it wasn't a sin, the way you carry on outside the bounds of reality.
chrissy hitchens...AKA
lol??...AKA
truth be told...AKA
jill...AKA
captain america...AKA
Atheism not healthnut
Fishmongering troll throwing red herrings.
Papal resignation linked to inquiry into 'Vatican gay officials', says paper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/pope-retired-amid-gay-bishop-blackmail-inquiry
Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.
Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease. Realistically, many abortions could be avoided if a morning-after pill would not is not viewed as such an evil option. Many of these same people bring children into the world at a high pace, and then would prefer that the rest of society take over and educate their children in their particular brand of religion when they don't plan well and don't want to violate their beliefs.
Recently we learned of the head of LCMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.
One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.
One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".
One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.
On sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.
Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.
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Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?
Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.
Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):
If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.
Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Prayer changes things
Ripping off slogans from other groups is not healthy for children and other living things.
Curious...prayer didn't seem to help prevent the 28 spectators from getting injured in yesterdays Nationwide race at Daytona now did it?
How many other groups use the slogan atheism is not healthy for children and other living things. It is a universal truth but I was not aware so many groups use it.
chrissy
The slogan "war is not healthy for children and other living things" was the slogan being ripped off. look it up.
Your statement about atheism is reidiculous. I am healthy and happy, volunteer hundreds of hours every year and practice random acts of kindness.
To say it is a universal truth is a lie and very disingenuos.
So atheist steve
Do you have first hand knowledge of any prayer spoken by the injured or are you just trying (unsuccessfully) to appear smart by using the misfortunes of others to bolster your perverted ego? Someone who uses the sufferings of others like that is considered a sadist or coward wouldn't you say?
No chrissy
One who uses the suffering of others is a christian...it is a big part of the basis of the religion.
Well richard
War is not mentioned in the slogan is it? It remains"atheism" is not healthy for children and other living things, an entirely different but not unrelated subject, after all atheism has been responsible for the majority of suffering on this earth since creation. And yes the evils of atheism are known by the entire believing world which is the vast majority of people by far.
Well richard
I see you have a very limited perspective of what it means to be a believer. You should try to live at least one day on the planet without hating God.
I never understood how not believing in a god translates into hating that particular version of a god. The point is simply that there are no gods.
So this supposed deity supposedly murders the world with water and yet atheists are responsible for most of the suffering since creation? Is your deity an atheist?
You all are quite deceived and more the pity. All day every day you post your hatred of God. Do not disguise your hatred as intellect, it doesn't work. The truth of what you are is apparent to everyone except you. And damocles, you have many times been told that justice is is not murder. You cannot go to a court in the USA that sentences a person to death and call the judge a murderer. Why would you apply that term to God if not for hate?
chrissy.
I do not hate god.
I do not hate that which does not exist.
I have studied religions throughout the world, sought to have experience like the religious claim to have, and I still retain an open mind. I have heard all the arguments.
Perhaps you have some argument for god that I haven't heard.
The fact is, your religion requires faith.
In order to make that leap of faith, one must turn off the logic and reason functions of your brain. Otherwise faith would not be necessary.
Do you have anything to say that is not laced with hatred for someone with differing beliefs or are you going to continue to show how false your religion really is?
Well chrissy...FYI every Nascar race is preceded by an invocation...a mass prayer meant to ensure the safety of the drivers, teams and all attending spectators. The fact that prayer didn't work in this instance speaks volumes. Prayer is about as useful and effective as wishing on a star.
So atheist steve
You really do not know what you are talking about do you?You have no understanding of prayer and are led instead by hatred alone. You don't even know if there was a prayer and if there what it was. One simple question without cheating who wrote the prayer?
@chrissy
It is so very laughable that a supposedly perfect, all powerful being can come up with no better way to deal with things other than to murder that which offends it.
Let's see... I'm the all powerful creator of the universe... someone angers me (which begs the question on how finite humans can anger something infinite, but hey, let's not argue that for the moment).... what ever shall I do? I could just, you know, tweak them a smidge, take away their desire to wage war while still being able to argue when necessary. Hmmm I could just fill them with joy-joy feelings and they would be non the wiser. Nawwwww damn all that, I'll just murder the poor bastids.
You can make the extremely weak argument of 'it's justice, not murder', but that would make your deity no better than any other two bit tyrant that has walked the face of the earth. Your stupidity is appalling, yet not unexpected.
And chrissy...Richard is correct.
Don't confuse mockery of unfounded superstitious beliefs with hate. We don't hate your mythical God...we are amused at your gullibility for buying into your delusional deity concept.
Ridiculous claims merit ridicule.
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
Wow...Is reading comprehension a problem for you chrissy?
The prayer is broadcast live for all present and watching on tv to hear. Spoken by the guest pastor at the pre-race ceremony and probably written by him too...not that it matters because it still shows that it didn't do squat.
Steve: I highly doubt Chrissy has ever watched a race to comprehend much about how they pray. I'm further guessing she knows little of the history of the sport. Her reading comprehension skills leaves one to question if she has ever read a science book or even been to school outside of homeschooling.