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February 27th, 2013
11:35 AM ET

Fill in the blank: Jesus is____

(CNN)– Justin Bieber's pastor, Judah Smith, says his book 'Jesus Is" challenges people to have a discussion about who Jesus was.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Jesus

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  1. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Lie4ever says: "The Bible doesn't talk about a Master Race, but evolution promotes such a concept. Hitler just wanted to help evolution make faster gains."

    And you wonder why I call you a fvcking liar. You are one.

    March 1, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      https://borne.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/atheist-logic.jpg

      March 1, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Are you unable to argue the point, Stevie? Why am I not surprised. Evolution does not aim for a "master race" and any idiot that states such a thing is dumb as a post.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      twas a joke. lilghten up.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      Hitler believed that different races had formed through evolutionary processes and were at different evolutionary levels. He thought the Aryan or Nordic race (these terms were used synonymously by Nazis) was the most advanced. These views were not idiosyncratic, but were common among German evolutionary biologists during the early twentieth century.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      That isn't what the stupid twit was claiming. Read the post again.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      Hitler, like many other contemporary biologists and psychiatrists, argued that moral traits were biologically determined. He believed that the Aryans had the most advanced morality, as they were allegedly more loyal, honest, diligent, etc. On the other hand, he deemed Jews biologically immoral, since he blamed them for being lazy, mendacious, se.xually lascivious, greedy, etc. Thus, by ridding the world of the Jews and replacing them with Aryans, Hitler in his own perverted view thought he was improving the world by banishing immorality and increasing morality.

      Why does this matter? As many of my critics have pointed out, most Darwinists are not Nazis. So why should we care if the Nazis used Darwinism for their own perverted purposes?

      While it is unlikely that anything quite like Nazism will ever spring from Darwinian premises again, there are many other ways that Darwinism is being used to devalue human life today (as I showed in my previous piece). Abortion is rampant, and eugenics and euthanasia are once again becoming fashionable in academic circles. While Darwinism is by no means the sole cause of this devaluing of human life, many prominent scholars, such as Peter Singer and Richard Dawkins, admit that it plays a significant role.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Evolution does not promote a master race. And your opinion is based on no facts whatsoever.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/11/23/surprise-the-abortion-rate-just-hit-an-all-time-low/

      So much for your theory, Steve j i sm.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      🙂

      March 1, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
    • Damocles

      Sooooo...

      Some jackwagon tries to use science as a means to a master race and it's wrong (which it is), but if some jackwagon uses religion for the same purpose.... ohhh *spit spit* they aren't true believers, *grumble* they were misinterpreted, *spit grumble* but, but, those atheists are responsible for so much more death.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      [-o<

      March 1, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      😀

      March 1, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      >:)

      March 1, 2013 at 10:44 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      :p

      March 1, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The bozo is plagiarizing Richard Weikart.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:46 pm |
    • End Religion

      Who would've thought that lil' Stevie would get his tiny testes crushed and then lash out in uncontrollable rage?

      March 1, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ya gotta wonder what some people are thinking.

      March 1, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      Ragin' 🙂

      March 1, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      :'(

      March 1, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. "

      Did End Religion or Hitler say that?

      March 1, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      "Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease."

      End Religion or Hitler quote?

      March 1, 2013 at 11:17 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      "We follow not Christ, but Horst Wessel, Away with incense and Holy Water, The Church can go hang for all we care, The Swastika brings salvation on Earth."

      A song Tom, Tom, the Piper's son sings each morning, or a Hitler Youth marching song?

      March 1, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • Facts

      'Did End Religion or Hitler say that?'

      I've heard End Religion say that.

      March 1, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
    • the AnViL

      steve ism: those "quotes" are from "hitlers table talk" – a questionable source.

      you should do some fact checking before you spout off.

      not that anyone really expects you to, because that's not how delusional people roll.

      March 1, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
    • End Religion

      I saw a show recently on Sci, i think it was a Wormhole with Morgan Freeman, about one scientist who is sorta receiving a rough time as she is presenting evidence of the differences between races. Other scientists are claiming skewed evidence. I suppose the proof or not will be in the pudding as her work is reviewed, tested and time passes.

      The whole race thing seems a red herring to me. We're just groups of people separated by environments and perhaps influenced very early on by Homo sapiens and a lesser degree of Homo erectus (and apparently some Denisova hominin). The issue here of course is that some want to point to the differences as inferior/superior when that seems to me mostly a false conclusion to draw for the overall of mankind at this point. The use of these "race" differences as a weapon is just propoganda. it is healthy variation in our overall race.

      A genetic difference that is more successful in a group is "better" for that group. The interesting thing is that due to ease of travel groups of humans aren't stuck in their environments. I'd guess we'll all be fairly mulatto in another thousand years though still in a range depending on ultraviolet radiation.

      it'll be interesting to see what happens when folks do begin selecting genes. Nature has spent a lot of time sorting us out. I can't help but think we'll go down a few dark alleys along the way with the human propensity for too much of a good thing but it seems to me nature would present some limitations that we can't see at this point. AN example is that it seems a more muscular build seems a benefit, however we also know that too much muscle mass often limits an athlete because of the muscle's need for more oxygen – stronger people get "gassed out" quicker than others. Another example is that is seems taller people tend to be more successful, however taller people also seem to have generally weaker knees. It makes me wonder where we'll end up in selecting what we perceive as "better" genes.

      March 1, 2013 at 11:51 pm |
    • fred

      The end point would to be design a man in the image of God.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:05 am |
    • fred

      End Religion
      You will need to start with some Christian DNA just to make sure you create the right god.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:07 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      We've been designing gods for quite some time. Perhaps one day we'll build one.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • fred

      Tom Tom the other one
      Interesting that somehow we know what direction and basically what that image of God is. I would say that is the proof you are looking for that God is who God says he is and is self evident.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:35 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      People have looked to plural gods, different from one another, more often that not. When people try to roll them up into one God the result is something that has to have perhaps very broad characteristics:

      x is God-like if and only if x has as essential properties those and only those properties which are positive.

      With positive meaning something like good.

      What does it mean to be made in the image of something like that? How much of what that is can we imagine?

      March 2, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • fred

      Tom Tom The Other One
      Correct, man can only begin to scratch the surface of God yet we know it is an unimaginable Goodness. This is the character of God infinite goodness, eternal presence, omnipotent, omniscience etc. ......
      God is self evident when one stops to create the image known to all men.
      There can only be one God as there is only one presence unlimited in all known eternal direction. One would engulf the other or characteristics would be indistinguishable thus only one.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:13 am |
  2. Steve

    Jesus is: King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He is the Son of David. He is the Promised Messiah of Israel. He is our blessed hope. He is the Son of the Most High God. He is the Word of God. He Is (being self-existent) He Is. He is the I am. "Before Abraham was born I AM". He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He is the Door to the Father. He is the Only Way.....and much, much more. God bless.

    March 1, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
    • Terry

      What kind of king has no treasures – no gold or diamonds?

      March 1, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Jesus is:

      Extremely overrated.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:11 pm |
    • Religion is

      Superstition!

      Jesus is dead and he's never coming back.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:16 pm |
    • WorldyOne

      If he comes back, we'll just crucify him. Again.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:32 pm |
    • Steve

      When He returns, He will not come as a baby in a manger. No, no, no. He will not come to die for our sins, no, no, no. He has already fulfilled this portion of His plan. When He comes back, it will be to reign as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. There will no where to hide for the wicked. Are you prepared?

      March 4, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
  3. Live4Him

    @hawaiiguest : You are merely saying that "since there is no concept of time before the Big Bang, this being because we can't make any measurements of things back then

    What I'm saying is that mathematically, the calculations break down in the singularity – i.e. Time didn't exist. So, time was 'created'.

    @hawaiiguest : This is fallacious. I have pointed this out weeks ago

    Please elucidate. WHY do you claim it is fallacious?

    @hawaiiguest : I can just as easily say that Egyptian writings about their gods include people, places and eras which we know exist, therefore the Egyptian pantheon is real until you can difinitively prove otherwise.

    Again, you're making this simple. I don't have to prove this, since even the ancient Egyptians recognized them as fiction – as dynasties arose, they replace the deities of the previous dynasty (i.e. declared them fiction).

    @hawaiiguest : As for "civil", I find lying to be highly uncivil

    You always advance such a claim, but this implies you know two things: 1) that there IS a falsehood, and 2) I knew it to be false beforehand. Neither which you've ever bothered to support with facts. Just because you don't like my posts, doesn't mean that you can claim I'm lying without evidence.

    @hawaiiguest : If you find it uncivil to not let you get away with fallacious arguments and misrepresenting science

    Sigh.... Again, you advance a claim without evidence. In your post here, there is NOTHING to suggest a fallacious argument, other than you claiming such. To claim it in a debate, one must support it with a statement from your opponent and demonstrate why it is fallacious.

    BTW – This doesn't belong on the 'Hitler' thread, so I'm starting a new thread.

    March 1, 2013 at 8:22 pm |
    • Live4Him

      Correction: 'I knew it to be false beforehand.' should read 'You can prove that I knew it to be false beforehand.'

      March 1, 2013 at 8:31 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Live

      Oh I know it doesn't belong on that thread, but the thread it did belong on, you left. I find it interesting that you completely avoided the part where I said that "time" is merely a descriptive concept. Earlier based on the rotation of the earth, and now based on atmoic decay (hence why atomic clocks are the most accurate). You continue to assert time was "created", and you're meaning is "created by my god", and you're completely wrong and cannot even demonstrate that. Time, as the concept that we use, was created by man, and "time" in the sense you're using it, is as abstract as mathematical infinity.
      The mythos of the ancient egyptians changed with the times, just like Christianity. You don't stone people anymore do you? Does that mean that the laws were fictional? Not in your mind. You're using a double standard, and might not even realize it.

      "What I'm saying is that mathematically, the calculations break down in the singularity – i.e. Time didn't exist. So, time was 'created'."
      Completely false, calculations don't break down, physics breaks down. The amount of mass and energy in such a relatively small area distorts space and other matter to the point where physics as we know it doesn't function the same anymore.

      "Please elucidate. WHY do you claim it is fallacious?"
      Because it's a flase premise. You have not demonstrated it's truth value, and is therefore a fallacious argument.

      "You always advance such a claim, but this implies you know two things: 1) that there IS a falsehood, and 2) I knew it to be false beforehand. Neither which you've ever bothered to support with facts. Just because you don't like my posts, doesn't mean that you can claim I'm lying without evidence."
      When you were pushing the "dinosaur soft tissue" argument, I showed you exactly how you were wrong. You claimed you weren't, gave links, and within those links I cited the parts that proved you wrong, and you didn't respond, then came back with the same thing the next day. You had the information, clearly, and continued with your false statements. The falsehood was there, and you were given exactly how you were wrong. How were you not lying?

      March 1, 2013 at 8:44 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @hawaiiguest : I find it interesting that you completely avoided the part where I said that "time" is merely a descriptive concept.

      Ummmm... Because it ISN'T? It is as descriptive as the other two elements: matter and energy.

      @hawaiiguest : Earlier based on the rotation of the earth, and now based on atmoic decay

      You're confusing the measurement of time with the concept of time. They're different.

      @hawaiiguest : You continue to assert time was "created"

      It didn't exist in the singularity and now it does.

      @hawaiiguest : you're completely wrong and cannot even demonstrate that.

      Don't you mean 'I believe that Live4Him is completely wrong, but I cannot even demonstrate that"?

      @hawaiiguest : is as abstract as mathematical infinity

      Ummm.... We can measure time, but not infinity.

      @hawaiiguest : The mythos of the ancient egyptians changed with the times, just like Christianity.

      How has Christianity changed? Christianity is defined in the Bible, not how men want to interpret the Bible.

      @hawaiiguest : Completely false, calculations don't break down, physics breaks down.

      Semantics. Time did not exist in the singularity.

      @hawaiiguest : Because it's a flase premise. You have not demonstrated it's truth value, and is therefore a fallacious argument.

      Ummm... It is YOUR job to prove it false. I've provided evidence that it is true (i.e. you've agreed with your statement 'physics breaks down'). So, it is your job to show why it wasn't created.

      @hawaiiguest : When you were pushing the "dinosaur soft tissue" argument, I showed you exactly how you were wrong.

      You used the logic fallacy Appeal to Authority. Fallacies don't qualify as 'evidence'.

      @hawaiiguest : You had the information

      Just because I don't succumb to logic fallacies does not equate to "I'm lying".

      BTW – We'll need to pick this up tomorrow. It's late and I'm calling it a night.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Maybe some sense will seep into your noggin overnight, Lie4ever. Just because something exists does not mean it had a creator. You have no evidence that a god exists.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Lie

      Wow, you really are a dishonest scubag.

      1) Time is not physical, nor is it an emergent property of something. It is a measurement. A concept. Just like the number 1.
      If you can't understand this, then you of course you would think "time" was created in the big bang.
      2) As for the dino soft tissue, YOU cited authorities thinking it would support your argument, and I showed you exactly how you were wrong. YOU were claiming something, provided citations that didn't support you, and continued to use the same argument even when shown exactly how you were wrong.
      3) I find it interesting that you will only cite single sentences from my posts, and then merely reassert yourself over and over on time, then completely lie about what happened in the dino soft tissue discussion.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
    • Austin

      Why is the ocean getting saltier? At what rate is it getting saltier? How long could it get saltier at this rate and still sustain marine life? Has it been getting saltier at this rate for millions of years? Is this an earth clock?

      What is tunneling?

      It's ok to be mad at God. Just talk to him about it, don't take it out on yourself.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:53 pm |
    • End Religion

      Tought news, Austin. Yet again, god didn't do it.
      http://news.yahoo.com/mysterious-changes-ocean-salt-spur-nasa-expedition-155938671.html

      March 2, 2013 at 12:04 am |
    • Live4Him

      @hawaiiguest : Wow, you really are a dishonest scubag.

      You're becoming uncivil again. Next time it happens, you'll be back on the ignore list. If you have facts, you don't need to resort to personal attacks.

      @hawaiiguest : 1) Time is not physical, nor is it an emergent property of something. It is a measurement.

      The same could be said about matter and energy. They are measurements.

      @hawaiiguest : 2) As for the dino soft tissue, YOU cited authorities thinking it would support your argument

      I cited the facts revealed by the research conducted by said authorities – not their conclusion (unless you want to quibble over a few thousand years or so). You want to reference the opinions of those same authorities.

      The facts are that decay sets in very quickly after death in a temperate environment (and much sooner in a tropical environment). Decomposition occurs rapidly for soft tissue, with the DNA breaking down within 10,000 years +/- 2,000 years. These are the facts revealed by their research. It was also acknowledged by Mary S. in the article. Her OPINION is that somehow the soft tissue survived for these million of years, but there were no facts to support such a conclusion.

      @hawaiiguest : and I showed you exactly how you were wrong.

      And what FACTS did you 'show me'? Perhaps you will 'show me' again. Go back to the article and strip out the facts mentioned in the article and then repost those facts only.

      @hawaiiguest : 3) I find it interesting that you will only cite single sentences from my posts, and then merely reassert yourself over and over on time, then completely lie about what happened in the dino soft tissue discussion.

      And if you argued over facts, rather than opinions, you could bring them to the forefront again – right?

      March 2, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
  4. Austin

    Moby. There is no master race, Israel was a vehicle to the world, Christianity a light to the world. The kingdom a spiritual kingdom. There is one human race. How can you pick a race out of that ? Look at Israel now, what is the prophesy toward Israel? Persecution . Because they rejected the messiah they looked for for 1400 years

    March 1, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
  5. Perry

    Mithra is an outspoken gay rights activist in Brooklyn.

    March 1, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
    • Terry

      Mithra is the author of all the loonie atheist web site.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
    • Terry

      sites.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:34 pm |
  6. Austin

    Akira , The bible talks about the great apostasy. Antichrist receivers who pose ase Christians to make money. If hitler gave money, it does not matter. If he was a prielst, it would not matter. If you claim that hitler was a Christian, you are speaking about the ministry of the holy spirit. A Christian, is someone in dwelt by the holy spirit. If you don't believe in the baptism of the holy spirit, that does not mean you are innocent when you defame the ministry of the HolynSpirit with hitlers name. Why don't you call him an apostate? Because you don't believe in the authenticity if the holy spirit, and you want to defame Christianity. That's on you Akira And truth prevails.

    March 1, 2013 at 7:08 pm |
    • Austin

      AntiChrist deceivers are pawns of Satan, just like the Antichrist, false prophet, the. Wh. Ore that rides the beast. And attributing these people as Christian is a satanic work. Not a scholarly admonition. If hitler went to church, doesn't make him a Christian, or the crusaders.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:12 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      And who are you to say the Holy Spirit didn't reside in Hitler?

      March 1, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
    • Austin

      Akira , You called me a lot of names, and I simply defend the authenticity of the living God. It is easy to distinguish Evelyn from good. I didn't call you names, simply saying you ate involved in slander of the ministry of the holy spirit by insisting hitler was a Christian.

      I personally like you a lot even though you call me names, but I hate it when people pervert reality in a demented way. Insistingmhitler was a Christian is below the belt, he was satanic. Period. And he went to church. Evil is demented. Priests who molest are demented.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
    • Austin

      Cheesy, I am one who discerns this reality.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
    • Akira

      9th Commandment broken again. Asked and answered 9000 times now. Let's move this along.
      You've entered Tediumland.
      Here's some reading for you:
      http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

      Your proselytizing on the 'net doesn't make you a Christian, either. As a matter of fact, I should think Mathew 7 would be some good reading for you to reflect on, yourself.
      Have yourself a fabulous little evening, and tell John hello for me, mmmkay?
      Warriors, come out and plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      You are one that makes unsubstantiated claims about reality.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:47 pm |
    • Austin

      "discerning spirits" is one of the spiritual gifts mentioned in Corinthians. Hitler not being saved, and a satanic criminal, is easily recognized unless you don't believe in the resurrection hate Christianity and enjoy attatching hitler and molestation to the ministry of the HolynSpirit. Hitler was an apostate Antichrist deceiver. These deceivers are satanic ally inspired. You can't get anymore evil than posing as a Christian and starving the Jews . The new testament does not ordain any war, and calls a Christian into suffering.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Blessed are the Cheesemakers : And who are you to say the Holy Spirit didn't reside in Hitler?

      The Bible doesn't talk about a Master Race, but evolution promotes such a concept. Hitler just wanted to help evolution make faster gains.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:01 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Austin, there's no such thing as a "True Christian Detektor 4000." You have no reliable way of telling who is a christian and who isn't, and in the bible god used many "righteous" people to do "evil" acts for his glory that was not evident at the time. Perhaps Hitler was a true christian who was instructed by god to do what he did, and only later, in heaven, will you understand how perfect Hitler's role was in god's divine plan. Hitler claimed to be christian and that's good enough for me.

      Or do you so easily believe those Muslims who explain that Osama bin Ladin wasn't a "true Muslim?" If you think Osama bin Ladin is a muslim, then you've got no argument against those who consider Hitler a true christian.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:01 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @Lie4Him

      The bible most certainly talks about a Master race. Isn't god going to separate the sheep from the goats and allow the sheep into heaven and torture the goats for all eternity in a pit of never ending fire? Hitler's got nothing on the absolute evil expressed by god. Hitler never dreamed of such evil.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • Austin

      The devil is a tool for Gods judgment, Satan persecutes those who follow his Antichrist religion. Hitler, and Satan, will reside together in the pit. Satan is used by God for Gods plan, but he doesn't wind up saved and redeemed. Satan is not a temple of the holy spirit. You are of you father the devil, is what Christ once said to the pharasees

      March 1, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Live

      I wonder if you're going to run away again, but I'll post this anyway.

      Very well Live. For one, you're treating time as a more than what it is. Time is a descriptive concept that is a measurement of atomic decay (hence why atomic clocks are the most accurate). You are merely saying that "since there is no concept of time before the Big Bang, this being because we can't make any measurements of things back then, then therefore everything was "created" by magic being that had no beginning". This is fallacious. I have pointed this out weeks ago, but you never responded, so here's your chance.

      In terms of spider man, I can just as easily say that Egyptian writings about their gods include people, places and eras which we know exist, therefore the Egyptian pantheon is real until you can difinitively prove otherwise. Your argument of "it's true until you prove me wrong" can be applied to any religious text, hence it is indefensible.
      As for "civil", I find lying to be highly uncivil, yet I don't ignore you for it, I merely call you out on it. If you find it uncivil to not let you get away with fallacious arguments and misrepresenting science, then call me uncivil all you want, but you're setting yourself up for a persecution complex for the rest of your life.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:08 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Moby Schtick : Hitler claimed to be christian and that's good enough for me.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_views

      Adolf Hitler ... ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood ... Many historians say that Hitler had a general covert plan, which some say existed even before the Nazis' rise to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich, which was to be accomplished through control and subversion of the churches and to be completed after the war.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Live4Slim,

      Chosen people.....master race.....hhhmmmmm.....seems to me the Bible does have something to say about that.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
    • .

      Breeding = evolution? Lol, wut? Hey, austin, live4him says that hitler saying he was christian is good enough for him. Why isn't it for you?

      March 1, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      I'm nothing like a pharisee, obviously, but it doesn't surprise me that you use your god's tactic (and Hitler's) and label me as belonging to "the enemy" so that you feel absolved from the evil you and your god want to see me endure in hell. You're like Hitler and God in that you only need to slap a label on somebody to be okay with them enduring torture and evil.

      The difference between me and you is that I'd rather call god evil, and you'd rather call me evil. You'd rather see me tortured for eternity, and I'd rather not see a god who allows such torture. You love evil and your evil god more than you love reason and decency.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:19 pm |
    • Austin

      Posted wrong place

      Austin
      Moby. There is no master race, Israel was a vehicle to the world, Christianity a light to the world. The kingdom a spiritual kingdom. There is one human race. How can you pick a race out of that ? Look at Israel now, what is the prophesy toward Israel? Persecution . Because they rejected the messiah they looked for for 1400 years

      March 1, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Blessed are the Cheesemakers : Chosen people.....master race.....hhhmmmmm.....seems to me the Bible does have something to say about that.

      Being 'chosen' doesn't necessarily mean 'better'. Being 'master' does imply 'better'. Lets assume that you ride a bus to work. Do you choose one specific bus over another because it is better? Or is it based upon convenience only?

      March 1, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      See my post above, Austin. There's no master race like the master race sharing space with a being who is torturing everbody else forever. Hitler never dreamed of a master race so privileged or such subjugation-–both so much greater than he could ever accomplish.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
    • Austin

      Moby, I have never called you out. I don't want anyone tortured, but that is what Satan does. This hitler thing is a way for people to viciously defame Christianity, exactly what the devil was planning. He is a pervert. I don't think you are, I think you bit hookl line and sinker, Simply because you don't even believe in the authentic ministry, the living God. I pity that day and night, with love. And I won't let it pass as an innocent attack on the cross. It's a satanic lie, and it's a dangerous one.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @. : Hey, austin, live4him says that hitler saying he was christian is good enough for him. Why isn't it for you?

      I was QUOTING another poster who was advancing such a claim. Please brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Moby Schtick : There's no master race like the master race sharing space with a being who

      Oh, you must mean the HUMAN race. After all, all humans are invited, but few chose to follow.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:29 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @hawaiiguest : I wonder if you're going to run away again, but I'll post this anyway.

      I've responded on a new thread.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "Being 'chosen' doesn't necessarily mean 'better'."

      Backpeddle, Backpeddle,Backpeddle......

      Wow, you are really good at conflating the meanings of words. " God's Chosen people" in the bible most certainly does say some people are favored over others based on birth.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Blessed are the Cheesemakers : God's Chosen people" in the bible most certainly does say some people are favored over others based on birth.

      Only as a vehicle to bring Salvation to all mankind. After all, God ordained that the Jews would be destroyed and carted off into exile – certainly not the image of 'favored'.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Hitler is nowhere near as evil as god and his grand plans for his master race don't begin to compare to god's.

      God and Hitler both played games with torture and people's lives based on their own rules and their own judgments. The only difference is that of power. Hitler was weak compared with god and so could only be a fraction of the evil. God decides who the "master race" is rewards them with his presence and tortures all others. Hitler did not expect so much nor dream so high..

      March 1, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • Terry

      Mithra played games with torture and people's lives based on their own rules and their own judgments.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
    • .

      Live4him says: "I was QUOTING another poster who was advancing such a claim. Please brush up on your reading comprehension skills."

      . Says, well pardon the heck out of me! I misread. Are you always such a condescendingly smug person, or did you just save it for little old me? I invite you to eat shit and die, you pompous asshole. If you are representative of a Christian, no wonder you're reviled!!!

      March 1, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Live4Slim,

      Yep, that is how christianity rationalizes it allright....

      March 1, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
    • Austin

      Moby, hell was created for the fallen angels. God tortures no one, and has saved everyone. The devil tortures, and you choose this. If you reject salvation. This is suicidal, and evil has this grip on you. Not god. GOd is holy and expects you to become righteous through Christ. Heaven is a perfect place for those who love righteous judgment, life and salvation, over the pride and fall, evil and death.

      You hatred for God is evidence of the resurrection.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      I have no hatred for some imaginary concept in your mind. I simply cannot believe in such an azzhole as would do what your god does: Create a system whereby portions of his creation can make mistakes and go to a place of eternal torture. Your god is evil because he ALLOWS a hell to exist and he decides who he will save from that everlasting TORTURE. Your god is making the decisions of who gets to give him metaphorical bl0w j0bs forever and who is going to fry forever in a place he allows to exist. I can't believe in a being that disgusting, but you can. Congrats.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
    • Austin

      I heard that people who die without atonement go to "death and hades" a separation place of containment in the earth. It does not say that there is fire. Then at the judgment, Christ throws "death And hades " into the lake of fire. Maybe this means annihilation. No one really knows, but we do know there is eternal life in heaven.
      Show me a verse that says eternal torture or that God tortures people.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      You aren't eternal, Austin. No one real offers you eternal life or eternal torment. There's only nil.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
    • Austin

      God is holy, hedidnt create a third place for destiny. The devil tempted. An attack with the intent to destroy, and tricked gullible man. But man was told he would die , yet did not die physically, then god provided atonement spiritually. What more can you ask for? You reject communion with God, and choose hell. That's like an addict who chooses jail instead of probation. Spiritual criminality. Christ has justified you . You are under attack by Satan, Ask God for help. I am begging you!

      March 1, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
    • WorldyOne

      Infinity? Eternity? This is beyond my understanding? Is it even possible for a being to live outside my understanding of time and place?

      March 1, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
    • Austin

      The devil is attacking you.

      I have experienced multiple spiritual revelation, On my life. I love you brother. Ask God for faith and be real. Start yelling at him and tell him how to off you are, let him have it. Let it all out! I am upset about it too.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Austin, you moron, I'm not mad at your god because he doesn't exist. I'm also not mad at the tooth fairy.

      I'm angry with you for being so stupid as to believe that evil is good when your god does it but not when Hitler does something much less evil, but similar in type. Your god created the system. He set it up. He made the rules. He decides who to allow as part of his "master race" worshiping him forever and who will get tortured forever. It's HIS SYSTEM!!

      But really, it's YOUR system, because you're the one creating it by believing it is some great ideal when, in fact, it's pure evil. Your god is evil because you are evil. I don't call systems good that allow for mass, eternal torture. You do. Your morality.

      Your god is nonexistent and therefore i do not hate him, but you exist and hold these evil ideas as good in your god's name, so my quarrel is with you!

      March 1, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
  7. The Straight Dope

    Anyone who refused to take pledge of loyalty to the Third Reich was toast.

    March 1, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
    • Terry

      Mithra did that.

      March 1, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
  8. Austin

    Akira and truth prevails break the 9th commandment in saying that hitler was a Christian, They defame Christianity with a satanic lie.

    You have to be an idiot to know that the new testament prophecies apostate Christianity, and then turn around and say hitler was Christian. You are fulfilling the prophecy of hatred toward Christ. Congratulations, how does it feel?

    March 1, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Did you look up the word "defecate," Austin?

      What do you think is going to happen to TP and Akira for saying Hitler was Christian? Is a lightning bolt going to strike them?

      Stop with the silly threats. You just look ridiculous when you get all exercised.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
    • Akira

      Liar. 9th Commandment broken.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Gott mit uns

      March 1, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
    • Austin

      My spell check changed defamate to poop

      March 1, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      That's because you're too fvcking dumb to know that "defamate" isn't a word. It's "defame".

      Dumbazz.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
    • Austin

      Besides, Hitler didn't kill anyone who wasn't already a sinner in God's eyes.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Austin: Those commandments DON'T apply to me. See, I am quite capable of thinking for myself. I do not require a list written by some god, especially a list where the first 4 of those commandments demand worship of the one apparently writing them. I am quite capable of distinguishing right from wrong.
      However, yes regardless of what you wish to twist the facts in to, they don't change the truth. Hitler was a christian. Trying to change history to make it fit your lie and lack of comprehension, doesn't quite work in the real world.
      You know little of your belief if you think for one second that Christians are not capable of horrific acts.

      Your little delusional spewage in your false claim, is better known as the No True Scotsman fallacy...and no ole grand delusional one, you can't find it in the buybull...you'll have to use what few brain cells you have left and look it up.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:19 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "Besides, Hitler didn't kill anyone who wasn't already a sinner in God's eyes."

      Wow, please don't breed. You condone the murder of innocent people b/c your so called loving god doesn't approve??? You truly are a moron and such a waste of time.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:26 am |
  9. Hats off to the Christians for putting up with the atheists palaver
    March 1, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
  10. lol??

    TP, the very first phrase gets it wrong, so I won't read it any further................"If you ask Christians to describe their quasi-chosen god of worship,..........".........."Jhn 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?"

    March 1, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Wtf???? You once again make no sense!! Put the bottle down...it's making mush of what little brain you have left!

      March 1, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
    • Akira

      lol??, you absolutely suck at proselytizing.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Akira: He's been hitting the moonshine since the piggies were fed this eve. I can see him sitting on his broken porch swing that is held together with some baling-twine, he's wearing his extra large over-alls and screaming at Ma to get 'im a samwich, while the dozen children are running around nekid as hay birds in the yard, he's probably got some very old Loretta Lynn blaring in the background and Ma's dancing in her tent dress waiting for bed time to come so she and him can have some good ole farmin' fun-if you know what I mean. It's like re-living the Beverly HillBillies tv series all over again.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      oops hay birds=jay birds

      March 1, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
    • lol??

      Gettin' gud oil will do that to ya.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • lol??

      Americutians ever get gud N oiled??

      March 1, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
    • lol??

      I cain't 'member now. but didn't holywood send britainly to the AARABS to do some square dancin'??

      March 1, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
    • Akira

      Nah, lol?? is a Las Vegas cunt who gives alley beejays for crack. Bevery Hillbillies is too good for this bitch, although for a price, she'll eat critter.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
    • lol??

      Pickin' up and eatin' roadkill in Illinois is now legal. The Rulin' Socialists threw the Masters a bone.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • Akira

      Illinois also has strip clubs, if you ever want a change of scenery.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:35 pm |
  11. Austin

    So what you say is God has never revealed himself to anyone. You make a huge claim, and you even discourage another individual.

    I speak of my own experience, and you refute that.
    You are wrong.

    March 1, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • Garrett

      Seems its only the priests who ever "reveal themselves"...

      March 1, 2013 at 6:11 pm |
    • Garrett

      Seems it's only the priests who ever "reveal themselves"...

      March 1, 2013 at 6:11 pm |
    • Alien Abductee

      So what you say is Aliens have never revealed themselves to anyone. You make a huge claim, and you even discourage another individual.

      I speak of my own experience, and you refute that.
      You are wrong.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:12 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Your own experiences do not validate your imaginary friend!! If someone says they had a vision of god or jesus, that still does not validate it.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I said you have no evidence that there is a god or that if one exists that he "spoke." And you don't. You believe. Why isn't that enough, Austin. Isn't it supposed to be sufficient?

      March 1, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
    • Austin

      He is alive and well, and it is a fact that you actively hate.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • Terry

      Mithra is a alive and well.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How would I "hate" something for which there is no evidence?

      I simply don't believe there is a god. I don't hate those who do. I've known many wonderful people who believed. They didn't pretend they needed or had facts upon which their beliefs were based. And they didn't insist that others who held different beliefs were hell-bound.

      Not everyone believes what you do, Austin. That doesn't make them wrong or bad. Put on your big boy underpants and deal with it.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
  12. HotAirAce

    Chief Zombie and non-protector of innocent children in a sicko death cult with absolutely no evidence for being anything more that a mentally ill shepherd.

    March 1, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
    • lol??

      SSShhh, hear it?? D.C. is calling you.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
  13. Abe

    Jesus is worth dying for. I believe that there is more to this world than meets the eye. He lives.

    Atheism is not a principal to die for. It is an unbelief. It is dead.

    March 1, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • End Religion

      well then go on and die for your belief and leave us to decide what is best for us.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Haven't read much, have you? Atheism is by far not dead. 🙂

      March 1, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "Jesus is worth dying for."

      And therein lies the rub....

      March 1, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
    • Really-O?

      "I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."

      Bertrand Russell

      March 1, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
  14. God

    ....facepalm...

    ...thanks Justin Bieber's pastor...like I don't deal with enough crap already...

    March 1, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • God

      Sorry about the pear-shaped head though. Must a dropped that one out after a bender.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • Akira

      Kinda looks like Zippy the Pin Head.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      And what's up with that hair "don't".

      March 1, 2013 at 6:24 pm |
  15. I love Tom, Tom, the Pipers Son

    I love you Tom, Tom, and understand your confusion with my ways. That's why I have given you free will, to choose to believe or not. You are totally free to choose unbelief. I still love you and your family.

    March 1, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • End Religion

      Can't your impotent god speak for itself? Oh, that's right, it doesn't exist so you have to make up shit yourself.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, brother. You must be desperate for attention. Didn't your mommy breast-feed you? And isn't it blasphemy for you to impersonate a god?

      March 1, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
  16. Who is Jesus

    Judah Smith asks an interesting question. The most common answer to the question would be 'Jesus is God incarnate, savior of mankind'

    March 1, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • Jim

      The pastor speaks quite well on the topic of inclusiveness in the Church. It stood out among many other points he raises here.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
    • Inspirational

      It’s amazing and incredible,
      But it’s as true as it can be,
      God loves and understands us all
      And that means you and me–
      His grace is all sufficient
      For both the young and old,
      For the lonely and the timid,
      For the brash and for the bold–
      His love knows no exceptions,
      So never feel excluded,
      No matter what your past has been,
      Trust God to understand,
      And no matter what your problem is
      Just place it in His Hand–
      For in all of our unloveliness
      This great God loves us still,
      He loved us since the world began,
      And what’s more, He always will!

      Helen Steiner Rice

      March 1, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
    • sam stone

      jesus is preacher who had a big career boost after death

      March 1, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
  17. Jack

    Would Jesus have performed an abortion?

    I sure hope not. A carpenter would not be qualified to perform a medical procedure.

    March 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • sam stone

      he could not have been the light of the world, or the electricians union would have been very angry

      March 1, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
    • Terry

      Mythra was an abortion.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • Terry

      Mithra is the true son of God, the truth and the light.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
  18. NGB4M

    An ass man. (he rode into Jerusalem on one didn't he)
    Behind on his taxes. Oh, that's right , he's exempt.
    Optional. (thank you founding fathers)
    In dispute. Even, or especially, among his followers.
    Fading, ever so slowly.

    March 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • China

      Check out China's growing Christian population.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Sweden

      Just easy marks, not having been exposed to Jeebus myths much. The smarter Chinese will toss Christianity. We did.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • Africa

      We have experienced breathtaking Christian growth.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
    • lol??

      wicing schmiking, gotta have somebody else protect em now.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Africa, tell us about the advances made their since the insanity of islam took over so many people and places. Then tell us why switching to another unproven myth will lead to better things in Africa.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
    • lol??

      Stop the Muslim slave trade??

      March 1, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Replace it with christian slave trade?

      March 1, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
    • Sweden

      The Christian holey book sure promotes slavery. And torture. And killing.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
  19. Live4Him

    @ME II : The fact that the Bible exists and is observable lends no credence to its claims

    Gravity has only been proven in this solar system. However, scientifically it is presumed to exist outside of this area (solar system, galaxy, etc.) and is treated as if it does until it can be proven otherwise.

    Following this theme, some of the facts recorded in the Bible have been verified. So, if one is going to be objective in the matter, one must accept the entire Bible as creditable until it has been proven otherwise. Do you have any empirical evidence that would denigrate the creditability of the Bible?

    March 1, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • Saraswati

      "So, if one is going to be objective in the matter, one must accept the entire Bible as creditable until it has been proven otherwise. "

      Holy cow, I've got to write a book and hand it out to these suckers.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Nonsense. Just because the bible mentions something that's verifiable does not render the entire book "creditable."
      No wonder Lie4ever is a better descriptor for you than Live4Him.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Saraswati : Holy cow, I've got to write a book and hand it out to these suckers.

      And when we examine your book for flaws as much as the Bible has been examined, and finding none, we will accept your book. However, if we find flaws .... into the round filing drawer . 🙂

      March 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son : No wonder Lie4ever is a better descriptor for you than Live4Him.

      And it is this kind of mud-slinging that gets you ignored.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Then that's where the bible should go as well.

      You are just dishonest. Like Chad.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son : Then that's where the bible should go as well.

      What's your evidence to justify such action? Do you have any?

      March 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Just as much as you have for discarding any other book with flaws, Lie4ever. Please, please, put me back on your little "ignore" list.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Live

      You demanding evidence from someone is truly a great example of hypocrisy.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son : Just as much as you have for discarding any other book with flaws

      Please elucidate your reasons.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The bible is not a source of factual information. To pretend it is would be lying. It does not "prove" that a god created the universe. To say that it provides evidence that the universe was "created" at all is ridiculous. There is no evidence that the universe was created. None.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @hawaiiguest : You demanding evidence from someone is truly a great example of hypocrisy

      So, you admit you don't have evidence, just your emotional response.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Please elucidate your reasons."

      Nope. Not unless you stop lying about the bible being factual.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Am I on that ignore list? Interesting...I wonder why. I thought mudslinging is only applicable if it's not true. I've showed how Lie4Him is a liar, and call him such, but that's not mudslinging.
      Hey Live, are you just afraid because I call you out when you don't provide any evidence for assertions you make?

      March 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • Science

      Good TTPS on both pionts.

      Paece

      The swamp ooze the soup out L4H .

      March 1, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son : The bible is not a source of factual information.

      We've already shown that archeology confirms cities, names of rulers, nations, etc. So, your posit has been falsified.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "So, you admit you don't have evidence, just your emotional response."

      Where did he "admit" any such thing?

      Really, sweetie, why are you even here?

      March 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • Austin

      Dear Jesus, help us all with faith. We need you because of the circstances and our doubting flesh. Help! We can't see you, pleas heal our spiritual perception. Turn up our receivers!

      March 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
    • the AnViL

      this:

      "And when we examine your book for flaws as much as the Bible has been examined, and finding none, we will accept your book. "

      and this:

      "Gravity has only been proven in this solar system. "

      ROTFLMAO

      March 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "We've already shown that archeology confirms cities, names of rulers, nations, etc. So, your posit has been falsified."

      No, it hasn't.

      By the way, who's "we"? Got a gerbil up your ass?

      March 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Live

      Spider-Man takes place in New York, has had real people we can prove lived or is living in them (including President Obama). Therefore, Spider-Man is real until you can difinitively prove otherwise.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What a witless tard. Lie4Him sounds very like HeavenSent.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HG, excellent response.

      Harry Potter contains real words. Therefore, it must be accepted as truthful in all respects.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @hawaiiguest : I thought mudslinging is only applicable if it's not true.

      Personal attacks is never justified in a civil debate. If you're unable to be civil, then you're ignored.

      @hawaiiguest : Hey Live, are you just afraid because I call you out when you don't provide any evidence for assertions you make?

      You "call me out" without any evidence. I provide evidence (i.e. BB shows time has a beginning) and ya'll squawk about 'no evidence', ask more questions and never provide any facts to support your positions, and finally claim that "you've proven me wrong many times". Just an endless circle of the same responses.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • 404 Error

      Austin
      "Dear Jesus, help us all with faith. We need you because of the circstances and our doubting flesh. Help! We can't see you, pleas heal our spiritual perception. Turn up our receivers!"

      Message undeliverable. Ent'ity not in existence.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Just an endless circle of the same responses."

      Exactly what I get from you, you lying sack. In fact, I have come to the conclusion that you're only here to do just that, argue in circles. You're a troll. Please do put me on the "ignore list."

      There's no evidence for a god. There's no evidence the universe was 'created.' None.

      If you had any, you'd have presented it by now and the whole world would be beating a path to your door. Instead, you deflect and distract by posting absurd claims about the credibility of the bible. That alone proves my point. You don't have evidence. You have faith. Nothing more.

      If you claim otherwise, you are indeed lying.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      I pray for knowledge of God's will and the power to carry that out. I should not pray for God to do what I want (I do sometimes, but it doesn't work that way).

      March 1, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @hawaiiguest : Therefore, Spider-Man is real until you can difinitively prove otherwise.

      To simple. Spiderman is a fictional story owned by Marvel Comics.

      --------

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son : "Please elucidate your reasons." Nope. Not unless you stop lying about the bible being factual.

      I thought so. Just keep practicing the logic fallacy of ad nausium.

      --------

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son : Harry Potter contains real words. Therefore, it must be accepted as truthful in all respects.

      Harry Potter is also a fictional story.

      BTW – I'm heading out for now.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It cracks me up: "you're ignored."

      Yeah, sure. Until you've "ignored" everyone and need a fix. Then suddenly you don't ignore whoever you had ignored previously, because they're here and you have a need to argue.

      Too funny.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Harry Potter is also a fictional story." Prove it.

      "BTW – I'm heading out for now." Out of what? Your mind? You've been out of that since you started posting here, you liar.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
    • 406 Error

      re: Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ignore it. Go take a walk.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • Kratos

      I'm waiting for archeologists to confirm crator impacts in Sodom.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Live

      Very well Live. For one, you're treating time as a more than what it is. Time is a descriptive concept that is a measurement of atomic decay (hence why atomic clocks are the most accurate). You are merely saying that "since there is no concept of time before the Big Bang, this being because we can't make any measurements of things back then, then therefore everything was "created" by magic being that had no beginning". This is fallacious. I have pointed this out weeks ago, but you never responded, so here's your chance.

      In terms of spider man, I can just as easily say that Egyptian writings about their gods include people, places and eras which we know exist, therefore the Egyptian pantheon is real until you can difinitively prove otherwise. Your argument of "it's true until you prove me wrong" can be applied to any religious text, hence it is indefensible.
      As for "civil", I find lying to be highly uncivil, yet I don't ignore you for it, I merely call you out on it. If you find it uncivil to not let you get away with fallacious arguments and misrepresenting science, then call me uncivil all you want, but you're setting yourself up for a persecution complex for the rest of your life.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
    • 406 Error

      @ Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son "The bible is not a source of factual information."

      L4H – "We've already shown that archeology confirms cities, names of rulers, nations, etc. So, your posit has been falsified."

      "Historical fiction tells a story that is set in the past. That setting is usually real and drawn from history, and often contains actual historical persons, but the main characters tend to be fictional. Writers of stories in this genre, while penning fiction, attempt to capture the manners and social conditions of the persons or time presented in the story, with due attention paid to period detail and fidelity. Historical fiction is found in books, magazines, art, television programming, film, theater, video games and other media" like the bible.

      historical fiction definition – Britannica Online Encyclopedia

      mo·ron /ˈmôrˌän/Noun: A stupid person.
      Synonyms: imbecile – fool – cretin

      Live4Him is without a doubt, one of the finest examples of moron I have ever seen.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "re: Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ignore it. Go take a walk."

      Not sure if you're telling me to "go take a walk" or are addressing Liar4ever. If I'm the intended recipient, let me tell you that I'd love to go out for a walk, but I cannot do so. I'm incapacitated for now.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
    • Austin

      Hawaii, I don't avoid questions, but

      My experience is with the Holy Spirit. Through the salvation of the living spirit, I have experienced a power that I recommend, and the continual insufficient ability of my knowledge to become acceptable. When you have the answer, and sin, the answers are nothing. Then you have to trust in Gods faithful forgiveness and mercy. You have nothing with which you can approach God. Your faith must come from Him, not knowledge. Starts with understanding sin as reality! Then he reveals his love, and you know Genesis is true!!!!

      March 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly."

      Is that why you're here? Why not make your point and stop with the little riddles?

      March 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • 406 Error

      re Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      To anybody that uses slurs and insults against a person because of their posts, and continues to read that person's posts. Only to use more slurs and insults. You dererve a break. Turn off the computer and practice some meditation. Look out the window. Take a breath and stop.

      You are worst than what you profess to hate.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It's "worse," stupid. And go fvck yourself. I'll do as I please, and none of it is any of your concern.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
    • the AnViL

      and this:

      "Do you have any empirical evidence that would denigrate the creditability of the Bible?"

      how, exactly – would empirical evidence denigrate the "creditability" of the bible?

      and by the way – yes – there's actually a lot of empirical evidence that contradicts your bible.

      the fact of the matter is – there is empirical evidence that the bible denigrates itself. you may not feel genocide, misogyny, bigotry and division denigrate your faith... because you believe that your imaginary man in the sky is perfect and divine – so all those bad things in your bible really aren't so bad, but it's true – the bible literally denigrates itself.

      anything delusional people do is ok if it's in the name of your god and your imagined righteousness eh?

      uh.. wrong!

      you're just displaying more of the same slave mentality everyone is used to.

      it's something akin to the stockholm syndrome.
      .

      March 1, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • ME II

      @Live4Him,
      First, there is evidence that gravity exists the same as it does here. e.g. exoplanets orbiting other stars, the shapes of galaxies, gravitational lensing, etc.

      Second, the analogy from gravity to historical docu.ment is false, primarily because the theories around gravity are based on fundamental particles and forces which have been shown to behave the same way regardless of which actual particle is effected, i.e. all electrons behave the same give the same conditions, all masses attract other masses in the same manner, etc. History on the other hand is a statement of events that are dependent only on the individuals involved, even if indirectly, not a calculation of what anyone would do given a particular situation.

      Third, yes, there is empirical evidence that disputes the events in the Bible.
      The earth was not created with the rest of the "heavens". (astrophysics)
      Flowering (fruit and nut bearing) plants did not exist before land animals. (biology/geology)
      Birds, or flying creatures, did not exist before land animals. (biology/geology)
      There was no morning or evening before the sun existed. (astrophysics and common sense)
      The sun did not "stop in the sky" as described in Joshua. (physics, geology)
      Jesus could not have been born in both 4 BC (Matthew 2) and 6 AD (Luke 2). (logic)
      etc.
      etc.
      etc.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Austin

      Yourespond to everything with irrelevant assertions and stupidity. This is an avoidance. I don't care what you assert you know, or your arrogance in saying "You know genesis is true". It shows the depth of your inability to actually concieve that there are those who aren't convinced, and the depth of your self-serving piousness.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Live4HIm: "Following this theme (gravity is only known to work in this solar system?), some of the facts recorded in the Bible have been verified. So, if one is going to be objective in the matter, one must accept the entire Bible as creditable until it has been proven otherwise. Do you have any empirical evidence that would denigrate the creditability of the Bible?"

      I found the Bible creditable – I credited it as being a ripping good read – hilarious, sad and outrageous all at the same time.

      When the Bible makes claims that cannot, even in principle, be verified it's not very credible except to the credulous.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • Austin

      Tom Tom,
      If ther was proof, the entire world would walk away from it. How could proof suddenly substatute faith? That would void the entire need for you to rely on God. A perfect example is the resurrection. Can you prove it didn't happen? That was the ultimate proof?

      March 1, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • Austin

      The point God makes, is what would you do if you were convinced?

      And I ask, what would you do if you were convinced that God is resurrected? What then? What closer to God coud you get than to rely on Him for faith, when He offers it.

      You would still sin on all your knowledge. I have already gone down this road, many, many people have personal evidence. They still have to bow and ask for forgiveness. You are putting God to the test, yet He is ready to act within you.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      It must be great to be able to rely on God. Do you drive, Austin? When you take your hands off of the steering wheel and wait for God to take you where he wants you to go how does that work out for you?

      March 1, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, the entire world wouldn't walk away from it. Prove it would.

      I don't have to prove the resurrection didn't happen, because I haven't said it didn't happen. I haven't made a claim about it one way or the other. YOU did. And you have not shown evidence that it did. Can you?

      No, you can't. There is no proof. There is no evidence. My irritation with you and your ilk is that you continue to say you have proof and evidence when you do not. Why do you have to lie? What you have is faith and belief. Lying about it undermines your credibility.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
    • OTOH

      Austin,
      " A perfect example is the resurrection. Can you prove it didn't happen?"

      - Can you prove that the Egyptian goddess Ma'at doesn't weigh everyone's hearts, comparing it to her feather, after they die?
      - Can you prove that an angel didn't dictate the Quran to Mohammad?
      - Can you prove that an angel didn't appear to Joseph Smith and give him the real, updated truth about everything?

      Ah, they must all be true then, eh?

      March 1, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Somebody else kick 40whatever error's ass.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      The resurrection? When I believed and clapped my hands as hard as I could Tinkerbell came back to life.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:43 pm |
    • Austin

      Well what about proof not making us credible before God? What then , what about the issue of sin?

      god has proven spiritual life through revelation . I have personal experiences which were not intended for your substance, because God alone will strengthen you. He will reveal His presence to you if you realize you need Him. If you understand sin, I put it on my life that He is there.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Fine. Then stop presenting "evidence" and "proof" that don't exist and admit that what you have is purely faith and belief. That I could respect, as long as you don't lie about it or try to legislate it.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
    • Twinkle, Twinkle

      Tom, Tom, the Other One,

      Good for you for saving Tink. It is well known that every time someone says, 'I don't believe in fairies,' there is a fairy somewhere that falls down dead.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:49 pm |
    • Austin

      Otoh, I have proof of spiritual life, and I hope the doctrine I adhere to is no influenced bymsatan, as I suspect the Quran and possible Joseph smith were. Ishmael was isaacs beloved brother and God has a plan for these people, the angel of the Lord (Jesus) blessed Hagar! Mohammud did not write the Quran and he was probably a Christian based on the claim of messiah prophet. god hates idolatrous Jews, and idolatrous Christians! Maybe Gabriel did do that and political Islam screwed the whole thin up like political Christianity did.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Otoh, I have proof of spiritual life"

      No, you don't. You believe there's a god and a soul. There is no proof.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
    • Austin

      Tom Tom, based upon the frequency, number,, and relationship to the future and outside elements, God has proven himself to me through dreams!

      Some of it could have been Satan, but ther was an evil side clearly presented. I realize that not even other Christians believe me for the most , But I can't lie to myself. Because of this stuff, I want to serve in the ministry full time if I could. From the bottom of my heart, that would please me .

      March 1, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Some of us prefer the sensual world to the spiritual world – no souls need apply.

      "And how we'd wished to live in the sensual world
      You don't need words–just one kiss, then another."
      Kate Bush

      March 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, shove it with your dreams, Austin. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. Dreams aren't some message from a sky-fairy. They are products of our subconscious.

      I hope you are getting some psychotherapy from someone who knows what he's doing–you need it.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • Austin

      Tom Tom, what ever has incapacitated you , you can strengthen yourself in the salvation and eternal life, I promise you that you can, and you will have a glorified body in heaven!

      I struggle with being happy, because I don't measure up to people around me, and I strengthen myself in the Lord.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Look, you simpleton, you have no idea what has temporarily incapacitated me–for all you know, I might have a broken leg. I don't need prayers for healing, just rest. I'll be out walking tomorrow or the next day.

      You, on the other hand, are disabled by your delusions, and those are a lot harder to correct.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
    • Austin

      Tom Tom,
      No they aren't always subconscious. Nebuchadnezzar was the Babylonian ruler and God gave him dreams. Joseph, Daniel, and many proohets received dreams and interpreted messages from God. He is risen, and very very alive.

      He does as he pleases. glorify your name o God!

      March 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "No they aren't always subconscious. Nebuchadnezzar was the Babylonian ruler and God gave him dreams. Joseph, Daniel, and many proohets received dreams and interpreted messages from God. He is risen, and very very alive."

      You can believe what you want, Austin, but that's all it is. Not fact. You have no idea whether Nebuchadnezzar had dreams, what they were, or where they came from.

      You simply believe what is written in the Bible. I don't.

      Your belief isn't what makes you delusional, it's that you think dreams are messages.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • End Religion

      "The only unforgivable sin is not being gullible enough to believe unsupported unintelligible nonsense contradictions asserted by the most dishonest and least credible sources."
      – AronRa

      March 1, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • End Religion

      Bob Enyart, YEC hero and proponent of corporal punishment of children, convicted in 1994 of child abuse, beat a child so bad he broke the skin. He claims their "hearts are lifted" by the beatings.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Enyart

      Bob Enyart, in a typical lapse of integrity, was sued and had to change his show's name because people were mysteriously confusing his camoflouged radio show with an actual science show on NPR.
      http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_22371596

      Enyart has a semi-retarded evil toadie named Will Duffy. Both of these characters sound EXACTLY like Topher and Lie4It – although I guess most insane creationists do sound the same.

      There is a huge debate here where AronRa from YouTube fame and the League of Reason simply crushed the testicles of these dweebs:
      http://www.theleagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9223

      Lawrence Kraus suffering through the same idiocy as we see in Topher and Lie4It:
      http://youtu.be/w8ilFvqxtWY

      March 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
    • Austin

      I know for a fact that only God could allow and facilitate the spiritual activity involved in a spurt of dreams that I had from oct of 11 to feb of 2012. That a sovereign God was involved, or ministering angels with a message. It was special revelation. It is a fact.

      And now I can tell you that the bible is the inspired word of God, because I had revelation of scripture that I was not familiar with. And that was a miracle.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Austin: You need some serious help or an education. Your revelations mean nothing because they are not evidence of anything, outside of the fact that you are capable of imagining things.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Lie4Him, Austin or anyone else, prove that jesus' mommy wasn't just another unhappy-with-the-husbands-lack- of-attention-wife-and-slut who slept with any passing goat-herder. If you cannot do this, we must assume it is true.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
  20. Lycidas

    Sometimes I wonder if CNN workers just sit around to come up with article ti tles that are just designed to bring out the jerk in others.

    March 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
    • Akira

      Perhaps. But "Jesus Is _______" is the name of Judah Smith's book. A quick Google search confirmed this.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • Austin

      Adolfo hitler is in hell, and that means he was not a Christian.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • Which God?

      Akira, you rock. Just a dead on answer.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • Which God?

      How do you know this Autin? BTW, how come your god hasn't answered your prayer yet?

      March 1, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
    • Which God?

      How do you know this Austin? BTW, how come your god hasn't answered your prayer yet?

      March 1, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • Austin

      Ok one sec

      March 1, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Time's up.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • Austin

      He is answering. He is working within souls, but he turns his back on sin. When He chooses, he reveals Himself, and after we reject him in stubborn sin, hi faithfully redeems us anyway. Sometimes you have to cry out in despair, or battling a sin unsuccessfully, or dying from one. Maybe your life is so good, that you think you don't need him. You will really appreciate his mercy when your time comes.

      He is risen, ask for faith daily. Seek him daily. Just start talking to him, right where you are at.

      "I need you to help me with faith, it seems impossible". Be honest! He will teach you

      March 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • Austin

      When He was dying on the cross he prayed, "forgive them Father, they know not what they are doing", .......

      No one knows the depth of His mercy, or the extent of His forgiveness. Because He was human for a while, He understands your pain and temptation that inflicts you in you humanity. He was tempted by Satan. He loves you and you are justified through His blood, if you understand what sin is.

      March 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      @Which God?

      God answers all prayers. Sometimes his answer is "no".

      March 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • Doobs

      @ H.A.R.M.

      God answers all prayers. Sometimes his answer is "no".

      Like when those teachers and six year olds looked at the scary guy with the gun and prayed, "Jesus, I don't want to die."

      And god was all, like, "Nope."

      Like when parents in Sandy Hook prayed, "God, please let my child be alive."

      And god was all, like, "Nope."

      March 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      That was horrible tragedy. And, yes, evil is prevalent in this world. You can go against God's will and shoot children, if you want. Or you can take a stand against evil acts, and know that was not God's will for us.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Go tell that to the parents of the kids who were slaughtered in Newtown. I'm sure it will be a great comfort to them to know that your omnipotent god chose to say "no."

      March 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      No, that is disgusting of you.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What's "disgusting" about it? That's what you are saying.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:18 pm |
    • Austin

      Jesus died too, he let that happen. That was His will, in fact. He came to suffer. Those children are in heaven! Let us comprehend evil!

      March 1, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      That's a pretty cold hearted thing to say to a grieving parent. Jesus has conquered death. God can help us recover from acts of evil. Evil wants us to use that as an excuse to turn our back's on God. I'm not going to let evil have its way with me. I hope I never suggest anything like what you say. Praise God.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      " that is disgusting of you."

      What part of worshiping a God, who is supposedly sending the majority of humans (wide is the path leading to destruction, narrow is the path leading to the kingdom of God) to a place of eternal torment where their worst fears and nightmares play out every second for the rest of eternity and your God who hears all and see's all gets to watch and listen to their screams, isn't disgusting to you?

      To me it's a much happier thought to believe there were no angels in the room as those children were slaughtered, no all powerful God standing idly by as their bodies were riddled with bullets and by proxy their families hearts completely decimated.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      But people like you DO say things like that. You and others are saying them right now. People tell grieving parents, children and spouses that "it's God's will." "She is in a better place now."

      March 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • Twinkle, Twinkle

      H.A.R.M.
      "God answers all prayers. Sometimes his answer is "no"."

      How peculiar. These are identical outcomes that wishing upon a star produces. Yes. No. Wait.

      March 1, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      To somebody who loves and trusts in God (and there were victims and relatives of victims who feel this way) – God's words can be comforting.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You don't get to speak for others.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      I'm speaking from experience.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Your experience does not apply to anyone else. I have experience too, and mine has been that ham-handed condolences like those I described are insulting and hurtful.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      H.A.R.M.: The only truly disgusting thing is that you believe in such a god. A god, that if you've read read the bible, you'd know to be a vindictive monster.
      So please do tell us what happens with the children who might not have shared a belief in your brand of god? Are they in hell? (And no that's not disgusting...it's what your god does to those who don't believe in him.)

      March 1, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      @So please do tell us what happens with the children who might not have shared a belief in your brand of god?

      I'm not God. It is not up to me. I believe God has a plan of salvation for His whole creation. Not just my little part of it. I have a loving God. He has shown me a lot of grace and mercy in my life. Why would that change for me when I die? Why did He show me so much grace and mercy when I didn't believe in Him?

      What does God ask me to do? Love Him and love others as I love myself. God wants me to love everyone – not just those who believe in my brand of God – because that is what God does.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And that I can respect, H. I know that those whose faith is grounded in that kind of love are admirable. I simply ask that they not try to make others live by their beliefs or assume that what is comforting for them will comfort others.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Akira

      Austin. I truly don't care about what Hitler claimed. I am just repeating what he said. I don't make any claims one way or another, unlike others I have seen here regarding that odious man.
      Do you get that difference yet, or are you going to continue to think and assume you know what's in my mind?

      Which God?: thank you.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Austin

      Fine you have faith and trust in hitler then. Is tha t correct? You trust hitlers word?

      March 1, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      H.A.R.M.: You totally missed the point! Does your god not say that in order to get in to heaven you must believe in it or suffer a eternity of torture in hell??? So thus, the children who didn't believe in your brand of imaginary friend are in hell...this is your fairy tale! How hard is that for you to grasp??? Or maybe you simply don't know enough about your own book of delusions to care! I'm guessing you've never read the bible...otherwise you'd be an Atheist and living in the real world!

      March 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
    • Akira

      WHY is it so hard for some to console someone simply with the simple phrase "I am so sorry for your loss?" WHY must they add qualifiers and platitudes that seem to be designed to make the person expressing them feel better than the person the words are actually meant for?
      I suffered the devastating loss of my first-born child; my only son. I cannot tell you how many times inappropriate expressions were uttered to me...enough that I wanted to punch the next "do-gooder" who didn't have a fucking clue in the cunt if I heard another inane sentiment.
      I suspect the Sandy Hook parents felt the same way.
      Sorry for being crass, but guess what? Y'all don't know how you would react until it happens to you, (and I hope it never does!) so just to be on the safe side, "I'm so sorry for your loss" is a good phrase, unless you know the person really well, or you're not sorry for their loss.
      In which case, fuck you.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:51 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Akira: I am sorry for your loss. I do understand...the last time I admitted my youngest to the hospital at the age of 4 months we had a 95% chance of her making it, those chances dwindled very quickly sadly.
      I can appreciate your sentiment here.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      @ Does your god not say that in order to get in to heaven you must believe in it or suffer a eternity of torture in hell???

      No.

      March 1, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
    • End Religion

      Sorry for your loss, folks.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      People who lose children to death go to churches looking for help And for some, they find what they need. I did.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
    • Beth

      So Harm did you find your dead child alive again, or did your god just not deliver the goods yet again?

      March 1, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
    • lol??

      TP is a guesser . Sociopaths like high risk behavior for the thrills. It makes em FEEL alive.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      H.A.R.M.: So the reality is that you don't know a damn thing about your buybull!!
      John 3:16 is a prime example of your god torturing for disbelief..."....that so-ever believeth in me should not perish but have eternal life"...how about the majority of the 10 Commandments? or maybe this: 2 Thessalonians 1:8 in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don't know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus.

      Maybe this will educate you a little on your vindictive god: http://www.biblicalnonsense.com/chapter9.html

      March 1, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      lol??: Again you make no sense! In to the booze a little early today???

      March 1, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
    • Akira

      Austin, what?
      There is written evidence that Hitler said this; I didn't make it up.
      What is your PROBLEM? Do you think I admire hitler? Is that it?
      Or are you trying to put words in my mouth as dishonestly as some of the others here do?
      Hitler was an abomination. The world is a better place for him having killed himself.
      Does this answer your questions, dishonest one?
      You are dangerously close to breaking the 9th commandment. I suggest you go no further.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • Akira

      End Religion, thanks.
      Truth Prevails: I am so sorry.

      Lol, just shut up.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
    • lol??

      TP, the very first phrase gets it wrong, so I won't read it any further................"If you ask Christians to describe their quasi-chosen god of worship,..........".........."Jhn 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?"

      March 1, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Akira, I am so sorry. I cannot imagine what you have been through.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
    • Austin

      Akira, was Hitler a Christian?

      March 1, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And condolences also to TP. So sad.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Austin, you are a fvcking moron. The dreams you had were not messages or anything of the sort. If anyone wanted to get a message through to you, he'd have to smack you with a 2×4 first. You're just that dense.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:26 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Austin: Really??? You can't be that dumb!! Of course Hitler was a christian! You do know that other books exist in this world...right?? The buybull is a mere drop in the actual amount of reading material out there and in the least, you obviously have the internet, do your research!! You are proof of the fact that religion keeps you stupid!!

      March 1, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • lol??

      Loooookie the little psychopaths tryin' to out console each other!

      March 1, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
    • Austin

      Akita, if you don't retract ystatement when you wrote both, Hitler was a Christian, and hitler was christian, Then you break the ninth in defecation of christs name, and what a Christian is.

      Hitler wa neither of your claims, or his own claims. The point, is understanding that only the authentic ministry of the holy spirit judges who a Christian is. Obviously hitler was not. For people who don't believe in the resurrection, saying hitler was a Christian and pointing to Christ as a minister if sin and war, Is a satanic attack on Jesus. I will accuse you if you of this if you say hitler was a Christian!

      March 1, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      God created hell for evil:

      “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;" (Matthew 25:41)

      He does not want any person to go there:

      "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

      It think people choose to go to hell.

      John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • Austin

      Akira,
      I did not mean to mis spell your name my spell check changed it.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
    • Torquemada was a Christian too

      We hear that sames "not a true Scotsman" fallacy with every Christian that other Christians want to pretend aren't Christians. They use it to dissociate themselves from the many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many repugnant things Christians do.

      Hitler paid his church tax right up to the end of his life, which was not mandatory at all for him, and which he easily could have ignored without anyone knowing.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      H.A.R.M.,

      We used to have a Muslim poster on these boards. When he was ill in the hospital his family had a goat sacrificed to Allah in his name. Would you want that done for you? Would you sacrifice a goat for a P.E.T.A. member's recovery or 'salvation'?

      (I wonder what ever happened to Muneef – a sweet man, although also quite out of touch with reality.)

      March 1, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      @ A Frayed Knot

      No. No.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Then you break the ninth in defecation of christs name, and what a Christian is."

      "In defecation"? What is wrong with you? Do you have any idea what that means?

      You are beyond the pale, Austin. Now you are threatening others? What is it you think you're going to do to Akira is she flips you off?

      March 1, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      HARM: It is a matter of belief or disbelief!! It doesn't matter how good an Atheist is, according to your fairy tale we get to go to hell for our disbelief. So yes your imaginary friend does send people there. You're just too brainwashed to comprehend this!!
      You're proof that few christians read the buybull....such grand delusions you have!

      March 1, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Look out, Akira. Any minute now, Austin will blurt: "J'accuse!"

      March 1, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      @ Hitler paid his church tax right up to the end of his life, which was not mandatory at all for him, and which he easily could have ignored without anyone knowing.

      Part of my family immigrated to the USA to escape that "church".

      March 1, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
    • Akira

      Austin, you cunt. Hitler was a Christian. Hitler claimed he was. This is in records world fucking wide. It is those who claim he was an atheist that are the liars, not I. I didn't make this up. This is what history claims, not I. Don't kill the messenger, you twit, and don't try to threaten my by proxy, because that won't work, either.
      Now drop it, you coward. It says nothing AT ALL about Christianity, one way or another, but your constant harping on it makes you look retarded.

      Lol, you are filth. Pure, unadulterated filth. Karma is a bitch, and I hope all of your evil, filthy sentiments get put onto you 1000 times over. That you profess to be a Christian, and then spew your absolute vile crap while hiding under a cloak of false piety is absolutely astounding. You are a truly awful person, and I wish every evil that can be visited upon your person is, and soon. You gutter snipe whore.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • H.A.R.M.

      @TP:)
      Are there any verses that would indicate what I do is important?

      Or is it just believe? So I just have to believe in Jesus? Like Jesus is some kind of magical puppy I try pick out of the pound – and if I choose correctly all the warm feelings and love and blessings I can imagine are mine? Is that what the Bible says?

      March 1, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • lol??

      No TP, but there is a little matter of unpaid debt. You, of course, should understand that with yer god gubmint and fines and waivers and all. Look at it like debtors prison, you know, how yer gubmint likes to treat da neighbors.

      March 1, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • The Straight Dope

      Atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian;

      similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist.

      Know what?

      Hitler was a vegetarian!

      Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign.
      (So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!)

      Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too!

      In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever?

      Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view.

      No matter how his madness is painted, he was still evil incarnate.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
    • lol??

      Careful now Acky, you'll lose yer pwogwessive backup. Ain't no such thing as sin or w*h*o*r*e*s*.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
    • ricochet

      atheists knows the mind of hitler better than anybody else hitler must have been an atheist.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:08 pm |
    • Akira

      Tom, Tom, I saw the defecate comment, but I though, "no...to easy."

      Careful now, lolly. You may lose your place in the free clinic line to get you penicillin shot and your methadone.
      You've already lost all right to call yourself a Christian, you duplitious whore.

      H.A.R.M.: you're lucky. Members of my family died for that "church".

      The Straight Dope: true. In any case, I'm glad the jerk is dead.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:18 pm |
    • lol??

      Acky, "Thrashing around in the water is also known to attract sharks." Yer friends?? BBBbbbbwaaaahahahahaha

      March 1, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
    • Akira

      You would know all about what smells fishy, lollingaroundwithstrangers, being the cunt you are. Seagulls attack you constantly.

      March 1, 2013 at 7:40 pm |
    • Lycidas

      @Akira- Yeah, it is the ti tle...but adding the "fill in the blank" part was CNN.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:11 pm |
    • Akira

      Lycidas: yes, CNN came up with that, as, I suspect, the author wants his readers to do. Why title the book this way, otherwise; doesn't it follow that the reader would fill in the blank?

      March 1, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      ricochet: Just because you've never been allowed to read or listen to documentaries that would potentially open your mind, doesn't mean the rest of us have been kept so sheltered. You too would know he's christian if you read something other than your buybull.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:31 am |
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