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February 27th, 2013
11:35 AM ET

Fill in the blank: Jesus is____

(CNN)– Justin Bieber's pastor, Judah Smith, says his book 'Jesus Is" challenges people to have a discussion about who Jesus was.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Jesus

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  1. My Name is Legion

    Congratulations everyone, it looks like we all made the L4H do not respond list for the last three hours at least, HALLELUJAH.

    March 2, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • lol??

      Where'd ya go after living in da pig house?? End up with a gubmint abode??

      March 2, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • Answer

      Try harder lolly. One day you'll become the pope. XD

      March 2, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
    • My opinion

      The mom of the purple haired transgender toddler looks like her eyes are demonic. What an evil freaky mother to ruin her child and reinforce a satanic marvel.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • Doobs

      @ my opinion

      The child is six years old, she is not a toddler. She was born with male gena,i>italia but identifies herself as a female. Her mother is trying to help the child live as comfortably as possible in a world that sees the transgendered as defective, abnormal and frightening. In other words, she is trying to protect her daughter from people like you.

      How is being transgendered a "satanic marvel". Is that like being left-handed? There are still people who believe that being left-handed is evil and satanic.

      March 2, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
  2. Austin

    Let us create man in our image. Plural. He was in the beginning.

    This personal expression in creation, lot us crest man in our image, is the reason even as an atheist ir evolutionist, that you can not escape the God given sinsitivity to morality that you were created with.

    Like when you stick up for Canaanites, do you turn around and throw a coyote in jail for killing a rabbit? No but you have a human morality because humanity is different.

    Adolfo hitlers hit list of species to ethnically cleanse,the ones closest to the apes, was not a Christian doctrine. World war two was not inspired by Christianity. He went to church as an evil man, evolution inspired him, and he twisted and perverted Christianity in his evil head.

    Why is an atheist moral? Because God is holy and righteous. And there is no escape from reality. We are responsible for crediting the giver of life with communion . There is one way of reconciliation, the blood of Christ.

    March 2, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • Answer

      What a bunch of drivel.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I concur–I cannot imagine what it is Austin is trying to say.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • clarity

      Every other Christian has their own idea about what it means to be Christian. So there's no denying that Hitler's was just one more version. Westboro Baptist Church anyone?

      March 2, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Morality is subject to the dynamics of social relationship and is therefore subjective. Hitler didn't come close to god's ideal of a master race rewarded with communion with himself and the eternal punishment of all that don't meet his approval according to his system. Those who call "good" evil and "evil" good have evil gods that rule their consciousness and bend it to destruction and harm.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • Austin

      Apostate , the great apostasy, Antichrist deceivers, False prophet, false teacher, false prophets , the Antichrist. Where did I get those ideas?

      March 2, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What are you babbling about, Austin?

      March 2, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • Answer

      You're pretty fvcked up if you can't even understand that you picked those words from a religious education based on old men of the past. Do you even understand that people can make up 'words' and 'dogma'?

      Are you plainly that stupid Austin?

      March 2, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • Answer

      Here Austin.. this is the modern word "lol" – it means "laughing out loud".

      How did you come to learn that word? I-D-I-O-T.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
    • Austin

      End Religion, moralit sensitivity is innate, and subjected by your own sin and satanic corruption. Do you burn you children in the fire? Why do stick up for the Canaanites who did?

      The standard for morality is perfection because God is holy. Sin is a disease that is devestating to our sense of morality, we are being de sensed.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • Answer

      You're not educated are you Austin? It shows.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Austin, there is no evidence that morality is "god-given." None. Atheists are moral not because of god but because they have their own set of ethics. No god required.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • Austin

      End religion, I was not calling you satanic or evil, my sentence was not formed righti

      March 2, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • lol??

      If the evidence of these religion blogs can be trusted as universal, then the A&A's have a major ethics deficit pwoblem.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      If your posts are to be taken as representative of all Christians, lollypoop, there is a serious "pwoblem" with an intelligence deficit.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Answer

      You forgot your favorite word "bigot". Must be really slipping "bigot".

      March 2, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • Austin

      Tom, Tom, Those ethics and feelings are the laws of God. They are not personal, they are universal. Only when the situation becomes sick, do those standards selfishly or competively get set aside.

      Can you escape your moral convictions? It's not a choice. Searing your receptors and becoming numb is a choice and effect of sin.

      We are all great people, there is a sense of purity in us all, We have fallen.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What exactly is it with lolly and the word "bigot"? Why is he calling everyone "bigots"?

      March 2, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, Austin, they're not. You can believe it all you want, but there are millions of people who don't believe in god, aren't Christian, and live moral, ethical lives.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • Answer

      Austin – only christians are fallen. You're pathetic because you accept religion and being downtrodden is your life.

      So go on with your own "fallen" status that you have accepted. You're the perfect example of a piece of turd that no one cares for. Your religion made you that way for a reason.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • Johnny Blammo

      It's that old kindergarten "I'm rubber, you're glue" thing. In other words, lolly has been busted so many times for bigotry that it got spiteful and counteraccuses everyone of its own offense. It's Nietzschean slave morality at its spiteful bitter best.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
    • Answer

      @Tom Tom

      It's because lolly doesn't know that word. It needs an affirmation on the word because it can't understand its' usage.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I just find his posts to be complete drivel and utterly pointless.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • Answer

      It's trying hard to flame people. Lolly is a beaten up ragged doll. Clearly spiteful with no methods left to win in any arguments.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
    • Austin

      No Tom Tom really, we agree on the world morality, all the non believers included. Ask yourself, how deep within your soul is the seat of that morality? Do you just think it and remember it, No. It is the most central part to your entire make up, love and compassion is a Godly character. Even atheists and non believers have it. How deep is it, can you feel it? Yes you can.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • Answer

      Austin .. hilarious!

      Trying hard to give relevance to your god because you want that god to be so true. Let's see you explain more of your vapid spiel.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Stop trying to tell me what I think and feel, Austin. I'm old enough to be your grandmother, and I know what I think and feel. Morality does not require a belief in god. I don't agree with you on anything and I find you tiresome and ignorant.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • lol??

      Did I commandeer "progress", "rainbow", "gay", "we", "equality", "race"?? bigots

      March 2, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I doubt you can commandeer a toaster. But apparently those words are very upsetting to you.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Answer

      The religious nuts always trying so hard to to "give a definition" for everyone else to accept. It never works but they keep trying.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Answer

      Let's see if lolly can even manage a complete insult against Tom Tom.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:18 pm |
    • Austin

      For example, the 11 year old teaching the 3 year old to say shut up and I hate you. This is the onset of sin.

      I admit, I don't know how you feel, but non believers have god instilled person and morals. Did you read Robert Browns testimony about his vision after a years prayer? That is proof friends. I had four dreams about snakes as a warning to immorality. That is real spirituality. god will prove himself within you after you receive , rebirth, after you take on the Holy Spirit. Not when you tell God to prove it. This is a glorious experience.

      You are missing out on the miracle!

      March 2, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • Answer

      Onset of sin to "shut up" that kid .. LOL.

      Give more. I love reading these silly diatribes on your versions of sin.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "For example, the 11 year old teaching the 3 year old to say shut up and I hate you. This is the onset of sin."

      Bullsh!t. It's nothing of the sort.

      You're nuts.

      March 2, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • End Religion

      Austin, I haven't posted in this thread until right now, so I don't know why you're talking to me except for that you're crazy. Oh, nevermind, that explains it...

      March 2, 2013 at 9:57 pm |
  3. lol??

    "Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."...........First time around the pro angels were playin' with genetics. Guesssss who volunteered this time?? bigots

    March 2, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • Zingo

      Putting that "e" at the end of Luke is just too much for you, is it?

      March 2, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • Austin

      Nephilum, And back to nimrod. I wonder what the Canaanites were like.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
  4. Infinity

    For those with ears to hear, God exists

    March 2, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Roger that

      For those with eyes to see and a brain to think, read the Bible and discover how evil that God can be.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • Austin

      God hates sin, that's righteous. That's not evil that's righteous. Rejecting atonement for YOUR sin is evil, and suicidal.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • Answer

      Christians and their 'sin' – what nonsense.

      Can you cretins even define it?

      March 2, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What sin? I don't believe I've committed any sins.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • Austin

      I believe that you can't escape the moral conviction instilled within you, and that you have broke the speed limit, and worse. All children disobey parents and act selfishly , all the teen age years. You know. Right? I am not judging you as being a bad person. But God has a holy standard. We all fall short.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sorry, Austin, but those aren't "sins." I don't believe I've committed sins because I don't believe in the concept of "sin." Damocles has an outlook on this that I find useful-all actions have consequences.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
    • Austin

      Children perfectly display the sinful nature. It's an urge worth shaking your head at. They deserve the truth as a child.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Austin, get some help.

      March 2, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
  5. Live4Him

    @hawaiiguest : Wow, you really are a dishonest scubag.

    You're becoming uncivil again. Next time it happens, you'll be back on the ignore list. If you have facts, you don't need to resort to personal attacks.

    @hawaiiguest : 1) Time is not physical, nor is it an emergent property of something. It is a measurement.

    The same could be said about matter and energy. They are measurements.

    @hawaiiguest : 2) As for the dino soft tissue, YOU cited authorities thinking it would support your argument

    I cited the facts revealed by the research conducted by said authorities – not their conclusion (unless you want to quibble over a few thousand years or so). You want to reference the opinions of those same authorities.

    The facts are that decay sets in very quickly after death in a temperate environment (and much sooner in a tropical environment). Decomposition occurs rapidly for soft tissue, with the DNA breaking down within 10,000 years +/- 2,000 years. These are the facts revealed by their research. It was also acknowledged by Mary S. in the article. Her OPINION is that somehow the soft tissue survived for these million of years, but there were no facts to support such a conclusion.

    @hawaiiguest : and I showed you exactly how you were wrong.

    And what FACTS did you 'show me'? Perhaps you will 'show me' again. Go back to the article and strip out the facts mentioned in the article and then repost those facts only.

    @hawaiiguest : 3) I find it interesting that you will only cite single sentences from my posts, and then merely reassert yourself over and over on time, then completely lie about what happened in the dino soft tissue discussion.

    And if you argued over facts, rather than opinions, you could bring them to the forefront again – right?

    March 2, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "You're becoming uncivil again. Next time it happens, you'll be back on the ignore list."

      Ooh, scary. You must have quite a high opinion of the value of your company, Lie4ever. As it is, you won't ignore anyone when you're desperate for attention, which seems to be all of the time.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • Science

      I am on the top of that list Facts for you to review. L4H DEPUNKED

      Dover Trial Transcripts

      Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.

      http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm

      March 2, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Doobs

      You're becoming uncivil again. Next time it happens, you'll be back on the ignore list.

      Your list, who's on it, and why, is one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen on the Belief Blog.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Isn't it? The doofus probably kept a "slam book" in high school.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
    • Science

      Doobs

      Would not have believed it if I did not see it for myself, the list is on a speed read, a Monday one maybe.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • Doobs

      @ TTTPS

      "Slam book", lol. I haven't heard that in decades.

      Liver probably has a shelf full of slam books dating back to "Mommy gave Sissie a half spoonful of ice cream more than she gave me!! It's not fair!!!". Multiple volumes of perceived insults, lovingly cultivated into a lifetime of imagined persecution. Perfect fodder for funditardism.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yeah. The goof-ball even has categories for everyone. It's sorta like Dante's Inferno.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • .

      Not any more inane that the retarded "answer tree". The list was comedic gold. And immature as hell.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • Doobs

      I missed the answer tree. Do you remember where it was?

      March 2, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Answer tree"? Oh, I hope you can tell me where that is located. I want to ask it about what color to paint the family room.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
    • .

      I forget...but it was within the last few weeks. MEII answered her first question with "unknown" instead of the "yes" she required, because she threw a royal hissy fit and accused HIM of being dishonest. Made me laugh my ass off.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • .

      Liver's bio/shit list was posted February 9th. Still looking for the answer tree. She's posted that several times. Tom, it wasn't that kind of answer tree...LMFAO!

      March 2, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Dang! Does Lie4ever ever post anything USEFUL?

      March 2, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "I've realized that when I get on these forums that I always attract a crowd like the victim of a shark feeding frenzy."

      Poor little thing! Sorta sounds like some quasi-celebrity pleading for "privacy."

      March 2, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • .

      Tom, I know. Liver has quite the high opinion of herself.
      Doobs, I was wrong, it was a "decision tree". (Snicker)
      Here's a conversation about it: https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/15/belief-blogs-morning-speed-read-for-friday-february-15-2013/comment-page-2/

      MEII was unaware he was taking a test, LMFAO! Decision tree, my ass.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
    • Science

      Clue L4H it is not good for privite schools either.....

      March 2, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
    • midwest rail

      The absolute best part of the entire "decision tree" convo was a poster calling L4H a "brain damaged yak".

      March 2, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • *

      No pal of L4H (and not that gender really matters here) but he has said that he is male.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • Science

      Yea and the yak still yapping !!!

      March 2, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • My Name is Legion

      I am going for the record, all seven of my alternate handles on th L4H do not respond list.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
    • Science

      Live 4 Him Please post a fact filled updated ignore list OK.

      Peace

      March 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
    • .

      Legion, damn! You're on a roll. I'm not on there at all. I'll have to try harder, LMAO! *, a liar needs no gender qualifier.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
    • clarity

      Gullible4Him is still lying like a silly fool I see. And what the hell does one have to do to get on this stupid list. I've tried everything. lol.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      That "decision tree" back-and-forth is preservation-worthy! "But you MUST answer the 3 question in the affirmative!"

      *snerk*

      March 2, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
    • Science

      Snapping the olive branch on L4H works well

      For all creationists and bible thumpers !!!

      Earth’s timeline works better than the bible's timeline

      Trace our planet's geological and biological ages

      http://www.nbcnews.com/id/33184839/ns/technology_and_science/

      Peace

      Interactive timeline

      March 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • My Name is Legion

      *
      Try a few satanic verses and lots of blasphemy, L4H has little tolerance for either, worked for me. LOL

      March 2, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hey, all I had to do was call him "Lie4ever" and was called "uncivil" for that.

      He doesn't have a very high tolerance level.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
    • Ti.tus

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son
      "Hey, all I had to do was call him "Lie4ever" and was called 'uncivil' for that."

      Since when has name-calling ever been "civil"?

      (disclaimer: I think Live4Him's logic is sorely lacking, but so is the civility on this blog.)

      March 2, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'm not name-calling. I think that's what the guy does.

      I don't care if its what you call civil or not, nor does it bother me that incivility is common here. I'm sure there are other blogs that are monitored and those who don't like it here can always go to one of them. I suspect those who complain the most wouldn't know what to do with themselves if there were only civil exchanges between posters.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • Ti.tus

      "I don't care if its what you call civil or not"

      Then why complain when called "uncivil"? Why complain about being ignored? Why do you expect people to pay attention to you when you call them names?

      March 2, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You misunderstand. I'm not complaining. I was answering clarity's post asking how to get on the "ignore list." I think the idea that anyone has a "list" of posters he "ignores" is hilarious. Especially since you know he reads every word.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And Ti, I don't know where you got the idea that I "expect people to pay attention" to me. Anyone who'd expect that on a blog like this one would be awfully naive. I don't care if anyone pays attention or not. Even if I did, what could I do about it? They'll either read and not respond, read and respond, or not read at all. So?

      March 2, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • The Devil

      Hard to be civil when they have been caught and they are still pushing crap !

      March 2, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
    • Ti.tus

      @Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son
      "I was answering clarity's post asking how to get on the "ignore list.""

      Ah. Fair enough, I guess.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • .

      Sounds like somebody is trying to stir up shit now....Titus.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • Ti.tus

      @.
      "Sounds like somebody is trying to stir up sh[]it now"

      Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy.... Dot.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
  6. Sabbath

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UQf9zZBzv4&w=640&h=360]

    March 2, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • End Religion

      Dude, I like your songs, Sweet Leaf and Faires Wear Boots.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
  7. Emil

    If you are here seven days a week griping about how you hate God or, how you hate the Christian God, you need some serious medical help for your BAD.

    March 2, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • The Devil

      Seek Chad he will help.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I don't hate such things. They are fascinating to me as objects of devotion for others. Amazing acts of contorted logic are committed to justify that devotion. That's fascinating as well. More seriously, religious devotion acts like a sort of computer virus that runs on human wetware. It carries a payload of intolerance and sometimes things that are outright evil. Its tendency is to spread. My inclination is to be vigilant and to try to do what I can to halt it.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      If you think god is real, you need serious mental health help. We don't hate your imaginary friend, we simply see no valid reason for believing in it.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      I the theists would just keep it to themselves, so would we.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • HarryGP

      That's rich saying someone has a problem with their brain if they believe God. If you believe we formed in beakers, that is your fantasy. I believe God.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • midwest rail

      " If you believe we formed in beakers, that is your fantasy. " Please cite where anyone, ever, has posited that possibility on these blogs.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      You believe a specific version of god that christianity teaches. One that loves but has to kill to do so.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Harry: I accept evolution, not the incest story from the buybull. I am not the one living according to a book that was written 2000 years ago, never been updated and more importantly was written with the intent of controlling weak minded people like you. Life is so much more enjoyable once you drop the imaginary friend...try it!

      March 2, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • HarryGP

      God answeed your prayers

      1CR 1:27-29
      "But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, [yea], and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence."

      March 2, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • Tortuga

      HarryGP,

      And yet Paul of Tarsus (and you) think yourselves 'wise' to believe that stuff.

      It's turtles all the way down...

      March 2, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
    • HarryGP

      The verses are easy to read. God could be out in the open for you thinking you're wise, but he's hidden to you.

      March 2, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • Tortuga

      HarryGP,

      Perhaps it is more humble and realistic to say, "I don't know". The fantasies of Paul and the other men who wrote those stories, for which we have not a shred of verified evidence, might be nice and comforting and empowering; but claiming that they are facts is quite presumptuous.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
    • End Religion

      Looks like Harry typically ran out of intelligent things to say quickly and fell back into verse.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:35 pm |
  8. HarryGP

    I have read through these and hardly any talk about Jesus and what he did for us on the cross. We should all be more grateful.

    March 2, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Remember one must accept your fairy tale in order to believe your imaginary friend did anything.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      And why would a god need to kill and torture his son (himself) in order to forgive future actions (and thoughts). The whole idea is preposterous.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • HarryGP

      In a belief blog talking about Jesus, and here come the heretics to accuse the Lord.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:32 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      If Jesus' crucifixion actually accomplished anything positive for anyone then I'm grateful for that. There are a few people around the world who have themselves crucified on Good Friday. Should I feel grateful to them as well?

      March 2, 2013 at 11:35 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Harry: We're not accusing your imaginary friend of anything. If I need to accuse, I do so to real things. Just because you follow Gullibles Travels, doesn't mean the rest of us have to...some of us grew up and left our imaginary friends behind with childhood...time for you to join us!

      March 2, 2013 at 11:43 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      HarryGP,

      I prefer "Apostate"....thanks.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • HarryGP

      I won't join you because you reject the Lord. He is a wonderful loving God that sent his son to die for us and then rose again. If you do not understand it is because he has not called you to understand him. The seeds of the truth get sown, and some grow, some don't.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      HarrGP- " If you do not understand it is because he has not called you to understand him." Is there something he needs to do that he hasn't done? Why hasn't he done it?

      March 2, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      HarryGP,

      You still have not answered the issue of why an all powerful god have to kill in order to forgive.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • HarryGP

      Jesus paid the price for sins.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I gather that the price for our sins was a sort of sacrifice. How does sacrifice work, exactly?

      March 2, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      But Harry that don't make no sense.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      HarryGP,
      "Jesus paid the price for sins."

      What kind of hideous, blood-thirsty monster gets his hurt feelings and wrath appeased by suffering and death?

      March 2, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What did Jesus' death do for our sins? How does his death absolve us?

      I have never understood the thinking behind this.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • HarryGP

      Pray to God for help understanding. Seems like you would know that on a belief blog though.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I prayed to God for years, Harry, and attended a church for most of my life. I've read this same stuff repeatedly. It makes no sense to me that Jesus died and that somehow that means all our sins are forgiven. Why? Telling me to pray is a cop-out. If you can't explain it, just say so. At least you'd be honest.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      No Harry, when you provide the peer-reviewed scientific evidence to back your absurd claims we will have reason to believe until then this is your delusion and mental illness, not ours. It is not our issue if you can't grasp reality or handle it. Jesus didn't die...it was more like a good drunk....there is no evidence to support your claims, time to grow up and live in the 21st century or seek some serious help for those delusions you're suffering from. You just sounded like a little kid who has been told that Santa doesn't exist.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Kenrick Benjamin

      Tom, Tom, the piper's son- Because of the original sin by Adam and Eve we had all fallen short of god's glory, with that being said when we die, all went to hell. Now hell is a place where you don't physically burn but you are consumed from within by your desires(sins) which leads to various ailments for an eternity. That is why when Jesus die he descend into hell and freed all the righteous souls that came before him. Jesus die so that all can be redeemed and go to heaven, however you must comply with the commandments of God. Why because everything is govern by laws, that's the reason as to why things exist. This is my interpretation.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      While I appreciate the effort, that doesn't explain anything. Why would Jesus' death have been necessary to free anyone from hell? Why would his death absolve sins that hadn't yet been committed by people who hadn't yet been born?

      March 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • Akira

      I reject the notion that every baby born on earth is born in sin. I absolutely reject that, and always have.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
    • lol??

      :1Cr 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit."

      March 2, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
    • clarity

      It's no surprise that lol?? spouts Paul. Deluded "Chatty Cathy"s must seek each other out.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
    • 2 commandments Ken has always broken

      Kenrick Benjamin "you must comply with the commandments of God. Why because everything is govern by laws,"
      Hi Ken, here's a couple of the 10 commandments (2nd set that christians like to pretend don't exist) and I'll bet you have never kept them even once in your entire life. And don't give me any cr-ap about christians being forgiven because you're the one who said you must comply
      3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.
      6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • lol??

      "Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

      March 2, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
  9. Terry

    Mithra is proof of God.

    Mithra is the way to God.

    Mithra is the one you put your faith in to be born again.

    Trust him today.

    March 2, 2013 at 8:32 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Can you back that up with quotes from your book of mithra?

      March 2, 2013 at 8:37 am |
    • clarity

      google diabolical mimicry to learn the embarrassing excuse early Christian apologists used to explain the gospel stories looking like previous pagan stories.

      March 2, 2013 at 9:49 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Clarity,

      If you’re interested you can go to page 11 and read the research Chad provided on mithra.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:08 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And just how do you know this letter was actually written by Pilate, Robert? How do you know it wasn't written by some scribe or monk? "Authenticated" by whom? How is anyone going to know Pilate wrote the letter?

      March 2, 2013 at 10:15 am |
    • clarity

      Key to the Christian belief is the supernatural occurrences in the gospel stories. Regardless of the validity of the stories of Mithra, it is the lack of a more reasonable excuse than "diabolical mimicry" by early Christian apologists such as Justin Martyr that gives plenty of reason for suspicion for the validity of the unauthored gospel stories (regardless of a possible historical Jesus character).

      March 2, 2013 at 10:20 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son,

      The authenticity of the letter is disputed. There were several other references to Jesus from historians, taken together it makes a pretty good case that Jesus was a real person. Then if you add to that the gospel accounts you would be safe in saying that there was such a person in that place and time. Peace.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So you can't say that it is authentic, then. Why did you present it as such?

      That's what I really can't stand about you and others like you: you lie to make a point. All that does is reinforce my feelings and thoughts about Christians like you.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Clarity,

      You are correct, if Jesus wasn’t crucified, buried, and rose again, there would be no Christianity. If a person has never experienced a spiritual rebirth, they are not a Christian.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Just for the record, Robert, I have never said that I know Jesus didn't exist. But when you have to pull rabbits out of hats to convince others, it makes me doubt everything you say.

      And none of the accounts provide evidence that Jesus was divine.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son,

      I didn’t say it wasn’t authentic. I said it was disputed. There isn’t much concerning Jesus that isn’t disputed.

      I am not lying, I just happen to side with the camp who believes it is authentic. Whether you can stand me, or not, is not something within my control.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:22 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son,

      I can’t convince you. I can give you the word of God. He has to impress it upon your heart and mind.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Robert, you posted it without admitting it was disputed. Why would you do that? It's dishonest.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "(The original of this letter is in the library of Rome. An authenticated copy is in the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C.)"

      That's what you posted, Robert. If that's an example of the kind of honesty I can expect from you, you're no better than Chard.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • lol??

      The existence and whereabouts of Pipe is disputed. My money is he's from Turkey.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
  10. Robert Brown

    Jesus is proof of God.

    Jesus is the way to God.

    Jesus is the one you put your faith in to be born again.

    Trust him today.

    March 2, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • End Religion

      Jesus is proof of Flying Spaghetti Monster.
      Jesus is the way to FSM.
      Jesus is the one you put your faith in to be boiled again.
      Trust him today.

      March 2, 2013 at 8:33 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      So given that there is no evidence supporting that jesus was much more than a man, if he existed at all, then it is safe to say god most likely (98% likely) doesn't exist...at least not the vindictive god of the bible.

      March 2, 2013 at 9:08 am |
    • Austin

      He is risen.

      March 2, 2013 at 9:12 am |
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      March 2, 2013 at 9:14 am |
    • Science

      Truth Prevails 🙂

      The odd(s) (balls) aye !!!

      Peace

      March 2, 2013 at 9:14 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Austin Austin Austin...you poor delusional child. Can you please find us evidence of any other incident of resurrection? Think long and hard here little one (try not to hurt the few working brain cells you have left doing so), how much of a sacrifice was it if your imaginary friend's other personality came back???

      March 2, 2013 at 9:20 am |
    • Austin

      Wow, pizza for breakfast anyone? You must be chipper this morning! That's good to hear. Chew your food thoroughly!

      March 2, 2013 at 9:22 am |
    • Austin

      Had 5 dreams about snakes last night. Warning, do not proceed headstrong into sin. Gone through Monday. Good weekend to ya.

      March 2, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Hello Austin,

      May I call you Jane? You can call me Tom if you like. My real name is hard for me to pronounce. Do you have a personal relationship with your God? Do you know your God and have conversations with it?

      March 2, 2013 at 9:27 am |
    • Austin

      I haven't heard God speak in an audible voice but He has given His word to us, and He heals a persons conscience as He convicts the world of sin. He is alive and at work. These dreams are a subconscious fear of evil, or they could be more than that based on what is going on and my past experience. The spirit can guide a person.

      March 2, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Truth Prevails :-),

      There is enough evidence and it is accepted even by nonbelievers that Jesus was a person, so “if he existed at all” is just silly nonsense.

      The question of his deity is a matter of faith. You call God vindictive because he judges sin and this disturbs your human nature. Flesh is flesh, spirit is spirit.

      I like your handle because the truth will prevail. Peace.

      March 2, 2013 at 9:59 am |
    • clarity

      It is not accepted by all non-beievers, RB. "Diabolical mimicry" / "plagiarism in anticipation". That's the embarrassing excuse early apologists gave for the gospel stories looking too much like earlier pagan stories. Unknown authorship. Yep – there is plenty of reason for suspicion regarding those gospel stories.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • Robert Brown

      LETTER TO TIBERIUS CAESAR FROM PONTIUS PILATE

      (The original of this letter is in the library of Rome. An authenticated copy is in the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C.)

      A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the Jews. One day, I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multi.tude. I was told that his name was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected, so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden coloured hair and His beard gave to His appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about thirty years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His hearers with their black beards and tawny complexions. Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he read in the words of all the philosophers, anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble, and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the Jews – not the poor but the rich and powerful.

      Later, I wrote to Jesus requesting an interview with Him at the Praetorium. He came. When the Nazarene made His appearance I was having a morning walk and as I faced Him my feet seemed fastened with an iron band to the marble pavement and I trembled in every limb, as a guilty culprit, though He was calm. For some time I stood admiring this extraordinary Man. There was nothing in Him that was repelling nor in His character, yet I felt awed in His presence. I told Him that there was a magnetic simplicity about Him and His personality that elevated Him far above the philosophers and teachers of His day. All in all He made a deep impression upon me and everyone because of His kindness, simplicity, humility and love.

      Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken tirne to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into wine, change death into life, disease into health, calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offence and as others have said, we must agree truly this is the Son of God!

      Your most obedient servant,

      PONTIUS PILATE

      March 2, 2013 at 10:12 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Accounts of 22 famous contemporary historians with references to the person of Jesus Christ;
      Cornelius Tacitus (Roman A.D. 60) Thallus (Roman A.D. 52) Mara Bar Seraphian (Hebrew A.D. 73) Lucian of Samosata (Greek A.D. 125) Flavius Josephus (Hebrew A.D. 37) Suetonius (Roman A.D. 120) Plinius Secundus (Roman A.D. 112) Tertullian (Roman A.D. 175) Pontius Pilate (Roman A.D. 33) Justin Martyr (Roman A.D. 150); Jesus is also mentioned in the Jewish Talmud (work finished cir 500 AD) which incorporates the Mishna completed in cir 200 AD.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:15 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Good morning, Robert

      I believe this one is dated to the 4th Century together with the Acts of Pilate. There is a similar letter to Claudius.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    • clarity

      Again, none of what RB provides is proof of any of the "magic" in the Bible – it only supports certain factions who supported a spreading belief. They should have been checking the references, so to speak, a little more carefully when it comes to the gospel stories.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "You call God vindictive because he judges sin and this disturbs your human nature."

      WRONG!!! I call your god vindictive because it calls for idolization and if one choose to not do this, your god apparently sends them to hell. It furthermore has a hate on for women and children. No-one should require a god to know right from wrong and if one does, then they need serious mental health help.
      It is hard for it to disturb my human nature when there is no just cause to accept that god even exists. Sin is only a biblical word, it has no pertinence in my life or the real world. I do believe that everyone makes mistakes but that is not sin.
      Some of us are simply good people without the need for imaginary friends.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • HarryGP

      Us being here is just as magic as anything else. What difference does it make if it's all about belief?

      March 2, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      HarryGP: It makes a difference when that belief is used to dictate how others should live or when it starts being taught as truth to children.
      As for we're all here magically...no we're not...there is nothing magical about evolution...evolution is backed with enough evidence to make it reality. There is next to nothing real about magic!

      March 2, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • In Santa we trust

      RB. That letter is generally considered a 4th century forgery.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • clarity

      Many here claim a lot more than a belief, spreading "roguery" and "error" to use Jefferson's words.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • HarryGP

      I don't feel any excitement rallying around test tubes and beakers, sorry.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:17 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      HarryGP, you need excitement? Pyromania works for a lot of people, and it's something you can cultivate. Get one of those suits that allows stunt people to set themselves on fire and try that. Alternatively, I saw a video of a woman who swam into a frenzied group of large sharks while wearing a sort of chain mail wetsuit. That looked pretty exciting for her.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:30 am |
    • HarryGP

      I don't know what it is, but it seems like some think this is all some science experiment we're supposed to replace God with. If that is your belief, well, I don't believe that. I believe Jesus.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:40 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Harry: Do you care that what you believe is true?

      March 2, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Certainly HarryGP cannot know that what he believes is true unless it is true.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      " don't know what it is, but it seems like some think this is all some science experiment we're supposed to replace God with. "

      No, it's simply not possible for me to believe in something that makes no sense to me. I don't need to "replace God" with anything. My life is full and satisfying and it doesn't worry me that someday I'll be gone.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      In Santa we trust, and
      Tom, Tom, the Other One,

      It is true that the letter is disputed, like so many things.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:05 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Clarity,

      The author’s of the gospels and the deity of Christ are disputed by some. For those who have had personal experiences with God, been born again, and have a personal relationship with Jesus, there is no dispute. Peace.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
    • I wonder

      Robert Brown,

      Regarding this "personal relationship" with God and Jesus, what exactly is this?

      Do they talk to you?

      What do they say?
      - Do they quote scripture to you?
      - Do they tell you anything that you don't already know - or that you couldn't research and find out, or that you couldn't use your imagination to figure out?
      - How do you know that you are not talking to and hearing yourself?

      March 2, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
    • clarity

      RB: "have had" – slight correction -that should be "have claimed" [personal experiences]. Of course no one has ever brought forth any credible evidence for the "had" when it comes to "experiences" of a G of I.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      I wonder,

      The personal relationship begins when a person is born again, born of the spirit of God.

      I have never heard God speak in an audible voice.

      “What do they say?” God has told and, or showed me a lot of things over the years. Sometime sin a vision, sometimes in an answer to a question that just suddenly comes to mind, along with an overwhelming sense of the presence of the Holy Spirit of God.

      A couple of things separate my own thoughts from information provided by God. First, I would say that the information provided is often something completely unknown or imagined by me. Second, the information is usually the exact opposite of what I think it should be. Last, as I stated before it always involves the presence of the Holy Spirit, which is unfortunately impossible for me to put in words.

      Maybe an example would help. I had been praying for months possibly more than a year for an answer to a question. I asked it most every time I prayed. No answer came. Then one evening as I was praying about a completely different subject, I was filled with the Holy Spirit and received a vision answering my question. In the vision I was doing something that I had literally never done in my life, as a matter of fact the very thought of doing it scared me to death. Later I prayed for a long time to God asking him to reaffirm this because honestly I didn’t want to do it. Nothing else came, I decided I would do it, and chickened out on a couple of occasions and felt that God punished me for not going through with it. Finally, I surrendered to God’s will and did what he showed me and He is still blessing me to this day for following his instructions.

      March 2, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Robert Brown's god is his own subconscious; it's an adequate relationship.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • I wonder

      Robert Brown,

      Thank you for taking the time to write a response. I know that you are sincere. I have to say, though, that I agree with Moby Schtick.

      March 2, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
    • End Religion

      robert, you've been told 2-3 times now that the Pontius Pilate letter is a known fraud. This now moves you from merely deluded into lying. Tsk, tsk... yet another Christian who defies his god's commands and lies. I guess as usual this means you do not fear and therefore do not believe in hell and therefore heaven or jesus or any of the other christian claptrap. Welcome to atheism!

      enjoy the chain of the letter's refutation: brown, i'll keep this handy since you keep posting it
      http://www.atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/the-letter-from-pontius-pilate

      The letter is from the New Testament Apocrypha (AKA Gospel of Nicodemus) date 150-255 C.E.

      The Catholic encyclopedia doubt the authenticity of this book as expressed here: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01111b.htm note this passage:

      "The "Acta" consist of three sections, which reveal inequalities of style. The first (i-xi) contains the trial of Jesus based upon Luke 23. The second part comprises 12-16; it regards the Resurrection. An appendix, detailing the Descensus ad Infernos, forms the third section, This does not exist in the Greek text and is a later addition."

      Here's some more info: http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/actspilate.html

      Apparently this whole book was thrown out due to a rather "poor" light it cast on the early formation of Christianity and dubiousness of its origins. Of course apologists will pick and choose what passages best back up their pet ideas.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • Austin

      @ robert brown. Hey I wasmreallynencouraged to hear about your prayer question and vision! That is so awesome!

      That stuff lights me up to hear! I know how great it is to get that type of faith from God. He keeps us going!

      March 2, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
  11. End Religion

    Science has made great discoveries in the past 100 years confirming the reality of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as creator.

    Fossil Record
    From the late 1800's thru 1972 the notion of "Darwinian gradualism" held the world captive. The notion that purely random mutation preserved in the population by natural selection would produce a gradual change, which over time would create the complexity of life we now observe (phyletic gradualism).

    Then, in 1972 the publication of "Punctuated equilibria: an alternative to phyletic gradualism" by Stephen Gould (atheist) finally forced the scientific world to accept the reality that the fossil record does not show the gradual change over time that Darwin proposed.

    Instead, what the community was forced to acknowledge, is that the fossil record reflects stasis and rapid change. This supports the theistic evolutionist claim that FSM used natural processes to develop life on this earth, as pure chance can never explain the grand paroxysm of necessarily interrelated mutations that are required to occur to accomplish this rapid change.

    Origins of the universe
    For most of scientific history, the universe was thought to have always existed, directly refuting the theistic claim that the universe had a beginning, and a creator.

    Then, a series of discoveries resulted in a complete transformation of thought, we now know that our universe has not always existed, rather it had a beginning, confirming the theistic claim:
    – 1929: Edwin Hubble discovers red shift (the stars and planets are all moving away from each other. The universe is expanding in all directions)
    – 1965: discovery of microwave cosmic background radiation (the echo's of the big bang)
    – 1998, two independent research groups studying distant supernovae were astonished to discover, against all expectations, that the current expansion of the universe is accelerating (Reiss 1998, Perlmutter 1999).
    – 2003: Borde, Guth, and Vilenkin's Past-Finite Universe proves our universe had a beginning

    Fine Tuning of the universe
    In the past 30 or 40 years, scientists have been astonished to find that the initial conditions of our universe were fine-tuned for the existence of building blocks of life. Constants such as gravitational constant have been found, the variation of which to even the smallest degree, would have rendered the universe utterly incapable of supporting life.

    "There is now broad agreement among physicists and cosmologists that the Universe is in several respects ‘fine-tuned' for life". However, he continues, "the conclusion is not so much that the Universe is fine-tuned for life; rather it is fine-tuned for the building blocks and environments that life requires." – Paul Davies

    "The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron. ... The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life – Stephen Hawking

    Now, neither Davies or Hawking is a believer in FSM. They both believe in fine tuning, they just posit natural reasons for it.

    March 2, 2013 at 8:08 am |
    • HarryGP

      The bible is a much better read.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      HarryGP: So you like reading stories about mass murder, rape, animal sacrifice, human sacrifice, incest and child abuse? You poor deluded closed minded individual...not all of us are gullible.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:17 am |
    • HarryGP

      The bible describes sin back then and it's not a lot different than news today. Take away the sin, Jesus.

      March 2, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Harry: No, sin is only biblical and not everyone believes your book. Your imaginary friend jesus didn't make a sacrifice because he didn't really die if he came back 3 days later. Nowhere other than the buybull is there evidence to support your imaginary friend being resurrected.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • HarryGP

      If you don't want to be a heretic, then open the bible and read it. Matthew, John, Luke, and Mark are a good start.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I have read it, Harry, and nothing in it explains why or how Jesus' death absolves us of sin. Can you explain it or not?

      March 2, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Harry: Read it; think it's nothing but horror with a few glimmers of truth to it (but then again most fiction has some truth to it). This is your delusion, not ours.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      One more thing Harry...who wrote the gospels? Was it actually Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?

      March 2, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • End Religion

      So Harry, you base your worldview on what is the "best read" instead of what is or is not most probably true (aligns with our reality)?

      March 2, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
  12. Terry

    Mithra is: King of Kings and Lord of Lords. He is the Son of God He is the Promised Messiah.. He is our blessed hope. He is the Son of the Most High God. He is the Word of God. He Is (being self-existent) He Is. He is the I am. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He is the Door to the Father. He is the Only Way.

    March 2, 2013 at 7:53 am |
  13. JMEF

    Jesus is so sick of the multi-tude of stories about the vicar of christ on earth and his disgusting child abusing disciples, HE commanded the pear headed Canadian Judah to invoke the name of the Bieber to change the subject. The Lord acts in mysterious ways.

    March 2, 2013 at 5:09 am |
    • 6666666666666

      take dash out of se-x in url

      Roman Catholic Church Se-x Abuse Cases

      http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/r/roman_catholic_church_s-ex_abuse_cases/index.html

      March 2, 2013 at 5:40 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "The Lord acts in mysterious ways."

      Such mysterious ways that there is no evidence to support it.

      March 2, 2013 at 5:49 am |
    • Science

      Hey Truth Prevails 🙂

      So true !!!

      Peace

      March 2, 2013 at 5:58 am |
  14. Britt

    To all you naysayers above; What are you gonna tell Jesus Christ is The Creator of the Entire Universe, when you come before Him to be judged on your judgement day, when he brings all your mocking, uniformed comments up? SOURCE: A Psalm of David.>> 14:1 " The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

    March 2, 2013 at 5:03 am |
    • End Religion

      There will be no such judgement.

      March 2, 2013 at 5:06 am |
    • Bible Verses

      Britt
      Using bible quotes to prove that what the bible says is accurate is just plain stupid. "They are one, the ring and the Dark Lord, Frodo, he must never find it." Fiction is fiction unless you can prove otherwise.

      March 2, 2013 at 5:24 am |
    • Ismism

      A Chad quote...
      "If there is no evidence, to believe in God is a purposeful delusion. How could that possibly be justified?" The most profound comment the Chad has ever made.

      March 2, 2013 at 5:30 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Britt: And when are you going to actually read that book to fully grasp how wrong it is? Quote mining from it is easy...even Atheists can do that.

      March 2, 2013 at 5:48 am |
    • Britt

      Mr. Damocles, Are you saying that if you can't see something it doesnt' exist? SOURCE:
      "Damocles: How in the world do you know your deity made the unseen things if you can't see them??? Do you get a special pair of glasses... "

      March 2, 2013 at 6:03 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Britt: If it is not testable according to the Scientific Method, then it is safe to say it does not exist! Plenty of stories written about Santa and the Easter Bunny but no-one believes them to be true, so what makes your vindictive god any more likely?

      March 2, 2013 at 8:08 am |
    • Damocles

      @britt

      Nope, that's not what I said.

      March 2, 2013 at 10:35 am |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Britt,
      " The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

      A quite old and sometimes effective tactic – declaring that those who do not believe your story are 'fools'. Nobody wants to be considered 'dumb' for not seeing the Emperor's new clothes, or a 'bas.tard' for not seeing the Sultan's new turban, or a 'cuckold' for not being able to see the Miller's gold thumb.

      Even Joseph Smith used it when he gathered his 'witnesses' to his golden plates. He told them that only those with 'true faith' would be able to 'see' them.

      The ancient, primitive Hebrews who originated those Bible stories were quite adept at manipulative mind-games.

      Quotes from that book mean nothing.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
  15. Science

    Jesus is not required to learn about life.........

    Icy Cosmic Start for Amino Acids and DNA Ingredients

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130228113436.htm

    25,000 light years from EARTH LIVE 4 HIM Topher and Chad No god(s) required

    March 2, 2013 at 4:25 am |
    • o

      You need to find God and stop daydreaming your life away

      March 2, 2013 at 5:00 am |
    • End Religion

      o must be from Bizarro World.

      March 2, 2013 at 5:06 am |
    • Science

      O it is fun try it you might learn something .

      March 2, 2013 at 5:20 am |
    • o

      What you are learning, won't save you

      March 2, 2013 at 6:03 am |
    • End Religion

      We don't need to be saved from anything.

      March 2, 2013 at 6:09 am |
    • Science

      Knowledge , the death of religion.

      O moving forward you might want to take a blood test and map your genome,

      You might learn something !

      Peace

      March 2, 2013 at 6:21 am |
    • o

      The days you have left tell you what to learn

      March 2, 2013 at 6:21 am |
    • Science

      o little knowledge.

      Peace

      Never stop learning !!!

      March 2, 2013 at 6:34 am |
    • o

      Never throw a diamond in the ocean

      March 2, 2013 at 7:42 am |
    • Science

      Diamonds and the bloodshed !

      March 2, 2013 at 7:58 am |
    • o

      God and eternity

      March 2, 2013 at 9:09 am |
    • Science

      When the meteorite comes crashing down, like in Russia !

      March 2, 2013 at 9:19 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Science: You didn't get the memo??? The meteorite was "gods" punishment for Illinois legalizing same sex marriage.

      March 2, 2013 at 9:41 am |
    • Science

      Truth Prevails 🙂

      Was it stuck to meteorite maybe (the memo)

      Paece

      March 2, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • Britt

      Mr. Science

      Jesus Christ, The Creator of the Entire Universe required to create

      Icy Cosmic Start for Amino Acids and DNA Ingredients AND He did all the DNA programming for Human Beings created in His Image. He is one with God the Father and the Holy Spirit. (known as The Holy Trinity)

      Science is a shifting sand, always changing, never coming to the truth, Jesus Christ, The Creator of the Entire Universe is the rock, The Best Foundation, Who said " John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life ..."

      March 2, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
    • End Religion

      DimWitBritt,

      "Icy Cosmic Start for Amino Acids and DNA Ingredients AND He did all the DNA programming for Human Beings created in His Image. He is one with God the Father and the Holy Spirit. (known as The Holy Trinity)"

      We'll need some empirical evidence, otherwise you are in peril of being ignored as a deluded clodhopper. The trinity is just an absurd mechanism instituted to keep your religion from being labeled polytheistic. News flash – you worship multiple gods! Accept it.

      ***
      "Science is a shifting sand, always changing, never coming to the truth, Jesus Christ, The Creator of the Entire Universe is the rock, The Best Foundation, Who said " John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life ...""

      Science changes as our knowledge of our universe increases. On the other hand, you seem to value maintaining ignorance equivalent to medieval goat herders. End religion now!

      March 2, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
    • Britt

      One can tell from his mean spirited remarks "Mr. End Religion" has a demonic spirit of religion; the religion of atheism as defined by the US Supreme Court. SOURCE; See Reed v. Great Lakes Cos., 330 F.3d 931, 934 (7th Cir. 2003) Jesus Christ was the most angry at religionists such as "Mr. End Religion" because they consider themselves self-righteous.

      March 3, 2013 at 12:09 am |
  16. End Religion

    I'd really like to take this opportunity to that my Lord, The Flying Spaghetti Monster. He truly is Fount from which all Truth and Pasta sauce flows. He is the Rock and the Pebble and the Noodle Dust from which we are all created. It takes Balls to be a god this mighty. RAmen,

    March 2, 2013 at 4:02 am |
    • End Religion

      ...thank my Lord...
      obviously I was so touched by His noodly appendage that my typing went astray. Praise to the Pasta!

      March 2, 2013 at 4:04 am |
    • Science

      By the way ER love that pasta.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:27 am |
    • Ahappyfarmer

      Are you that guy who had his photo taken with a pasta strainer on? Funny!

      March 2, 2013 at 4:52 am |
    • Britt

      Mr. End Religion, before you continue to mock Jesus Christ The Creator of the Entire Universe, you would be wise to find out what the bible says about mockers. You're just digging yourself a deeper hole. Why not try intelligent discussion instead of acting like some possessed troll?

      March 3, 2013 at 12:13 am |
  17. Correctlycenter

    Jesus Christ is: Savior, Redeemer, Messiah, King of kings, Lord of lords, Good Shepherd, Rock of Ages, Bread of Life, Son of the living God, Alpha and Omega, Bright and Morning Star, the Way, the Truth and the Life, Lamb of God, Friend. Thank you Jesus...

    March 2, 2013 at 12:29 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      You're talking about Jesus Christ. The question was on Jesus.

      March 2, 2013 at 12:31 am |
    • End Religion

      CC, you forgot "Loon Magnet"

      March 2, 2013 at 12:45 am |
  18. the AnViL

    jebus is the flatly fictional figurehead of an ancient middle-eastern slave cult.

    xianity creates, instills, perpetuates, and reinforces the slave mentality in all of its adherents.

    like everything else – the meek shall inherit the earth, six feet deep.

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    boop!

    March 2, 2013 at 12:15 am |
    • Ahappyfarmer

      And the atheist will rule nothing. I like it. Agnostics will just do whatever they want.

      March 2, 2013 at 4:54 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Ahappyfarmer: Check your definitions there...Agnostic only defines knowledge, not belief...even Theists can be agnostic.

      March 2, 2013 at 5:29 am |
    • Darth AnViL

      .
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      like EVERYTHING else – the meek shall inherit the earth, six feet deep.
      .
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      the wages of life – are death.

      when you die – you meet oblivion. you won't know about it – because the organ you use to know things with will no longer exist. it will decay and disintegrate, and you'll never have any awareness of it – forever and permanently.

      you will truly rest in peace.

      and those are flat facts you're going to have to come to terms with.

      also – anything you leave behind will eventually vaporize when the sun blows up.

      you'll have existed for such a brief blink in relation to the age of the universe... it'll be as if you never happened.

      no.. your dearly departed aren't waiting for you. 🙂

      no.. there is no paradise.

      no.. there is no warmth, comfort or love...

      all there is – is the impartial, cold, silent, uncaring, unmoving, deep, still, cold, black darkness of nothing... forever.

      this is literally all you get.

      i think it's funny that people spend it mired in an ancient slave cult... gripped by an uncivilized delusional imaginary bondage... filled with fear and confusion.

      it's just – you create misery wherever you are... and take so infernally long to die.

      at least i rest comfortably knowing monotheistic religions are at deaths door.. soon to be relegated to an ugly page in the history of mankind.

      sadly – not soon enough.
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      cha cha cha

      March 2, 2013 at 6:28 am |
    • Robert Brown

      the AnViL,

      You might improve your understanding if you would discuss Christianity with a Christian, instead of relying on what unbelievers tell you, or making stuff up. Peace.

      March 2, 2013 at 8:33 am |
    • End Religion

      the AnViL,

      Likewise, you might improve your understanding if you would discuss FSMism with an FSMer, instead of relying on what unbelievers tell you, or making stuff up. Peace.

      March 2, 2013 at 8:38 am |
    • Science

      Morning Robert WHO is making things up ?

      I will post the transcripts for you from the Dover Trail

      Peace

      March 2, 2013 at 8:42 am |
    • Darth AnViL

      Robert Brown = another prime example of the dunning-kruger effect.

      March 2, 2013 at 8:55 am |
    • Darth AnViL

      ER: carbo diem, my brother.

      March 2, 2013 at 8:58 am |
  19. Steve Ism

    🙂

    March 1, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      😦

      March 1, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      🙂 🙂

      March 1, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
    • Steve Ism

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  20. Britt

    Jesus Christ is . . . The Creator of the Entire Universe . . . Thru Him, all things both seen and unseen, were created . . . He holds every atom in the universe from flying apart. He is our redeemer and our great counselor and soon those who KNOW Him, will have a body like Him.

    March 1, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You need to go back to science class and try to listen this time.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      The Flying Speghetti Monster is . . . The Creator of the Entire Universe . . . Thru Him, all things both seen and unseen, were created . . . He holds every atom in the universe from flying apart with his noodly appendages. He is our redeemer and our great counselor and soon those who KNOW Him, will have a body like Him.

      March 1, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • Steve Ism

      There is no God (Psalm 14:1)

      March 1, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
    • End Religion

      Your god sounds like Dark Matter.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:44 pm |
    • Damocles

      How in the world do you know your deity made the unseen things if you can't see them??? Do you get a special pair of glasses in your box of Jesus Flakes (now with 50% more flakiness)?

      March 1, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • Roger that

      'soon those who KNOW Him, will have a body like Him.'

      This is true. Some day you will die and your body will be decayed just like Jesus'. It's nothing to excited about though. It's just a part of life.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Roger that.

      March 1, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "Jesus Christ is . . . The Creator of the Entire Universe"

      So you admit it wasn't god that created the universe...see how christians don't know their own fairy tale??

      March 2, 2013 at 9:24 am |
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