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February 27th, 2013
11:35 AM ET

Fill in the blank: Jesus is____

(CNN)– Justin Bieber's pastor, Judah Smith, says his book 'Jesus Is" challenges people to have a discussion about who Jesus was.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Jesus

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  1. John R

    Quite simply: Jesus is the Christ

    March 24, 2013 at 6:18 am |
  2. chanel # 5

    alive.

    strong

    hip

    my bud

    perfect

    tough

    March 24, 2013 at 12:31 am |
    • Yeah Right

      You write like a 12 year old.

      March 24, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • chanel # 5

      difficult to understand sometimes

      seemingly distant for long stretches

      weary at times?

      March 24, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • Yeah Right

      You write like a 12 year old with sanity challenges.

      March 24, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • gerald bostock

      Yeah Right
      You write like a 12 year old.
      You write like a 12 year old with sanity issues

      March 26, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
    • why does it help for perfume to be tough?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGs4CjeJiJQ

      April 3, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
  3. chanel # 5

    JESUS IS COOL

    March 24, 2013 at 12:27 am |
  4. ralphie

    washed clean in his blood legion

    covered in his precious blood

    cleansed in his blood

    March 22, 2013 at 4:26 am |
    • End Religion

      wow, i'm sure you're winning converts left and right with that crazy death cult shît.

      March 24, 2013 at 12:44 am |
    • Always remember: You don't want to wear a red shirt on landing-party duty

      I see ralphie is ready to do the chainsaw massacre God told him to do in a vision.

      March 24, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • Damocles

      I'm not sure how clean things would be when washed in blood. It's been my experience that bloodstains are very difficult to remove.

      March 24, 2013 at 1:03 am |
    • gerald bostock

      "End Religion
      wow, i'm sure you're winning converts left and right with that crazy death cult shît."

      mocked my god
      humiliated my friends

      March 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
  5. Bob

    Chad is ... Rachel.

    March 17, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
    • Glendale

      And Life Lock.

      March 17, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • ralphie

      fire dorothy

      March 22, 2013 at 4:12 am |
    • Always remember: You don't want to wear a red shirt on landing-party duty

      I thought Austin was Life Lock.

      Sometimes I think they are all the same person, but then I remeber the Borg operates that way.

      March 24, 2013 at 12:41 am |
  6. End Religion

    http://youtu.be/JjcWkhqScBI

    March 17, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
  7. Chad

    @End Religion "Jesus story also shows extensive similarities to other myths of the time .. Mithra"

    =>sorry, no, but thanks again for the opportunity to post the truth.

    Putting to death the comparisons between Jesus and Mithra

    Claim 1: Like Jesus, Mithras was born of a virgin on December 25th in a cave. His birth was also attended by shepherds.
    Truth: Many Christians are well aware that there is no Biblical basis for setting the date of the birth of Jesus on December 25th. History shows that this date was introduced as significant to Christ later by the post-apostolic church, no doubt influenced by the multiplicity of sacred festivals occurring at this time. According to Mithraic tradition, Mithras was not born of a virgin in a cave. In fact, Mithras was said to have been born, fully grown, from solid rock; the event leaving a cavity behind. There was no mention of a virgin. Interestingly, the story continues to describe Mithras being helped out of the rock by shepherds, who offer him a pick from their flock. Yet according to Mithraic tradition, Mithras was created prior to the creation of mankind. Consequently, the Mithraic “shepherds” cannot be legitimately compared to those of the Christian tradition. Lastly, the earliest existing record of this narrative is from around 100 years after the manuscripts of the New Testament, leaving no room for claims that the Christian tradition copied the story and attributed it to Jesus. (Note also that the later Persian Mithraic traditions recount his conception through the incestual copulation of the god Ahura-Mazda and his mother. The Christian virgin birth story is principally concerned with the humanity of Mary and God’s role in the creation of Jesus through her. There is no parallel between this and the Mithraic story.)

    Claim 2 Mithras was also considered a great traveling teacher and master.
    Truth: This particular attribute is probably one of the most common identifiers of just about every spiritual leader in history. However, there is no mention in Mithraic tradition of Mithras being an itinerant teacher like Jesus. If this claim is to be taken seriously as evidence that Christian tradition appropriated from Mithraic tradition, one must also take into account the travels and teachings of other spiritual figures like Buddha, Krishna, Muhammed, etc.

    Claim 3 Mithras had 12 disciples.
    Truth: The Persian Mithra was often as sociated with the god Varuna, such that one might infer that they were considered a pair. However, in this tradition Mithra is short 10 companions. In the Roman tradition, Mithras was accompanied by two ent ities, created after his own image, named Cautes and Catopatres. They have been said to represent day and ni ght or spring and fall or life and death. Mithras was also a ssociated with the snake, the dog, the lion, and the scorpion, likely due to the astrological origin of the Roman tradition. Still, Mithras’ companions only add up to 6 at most, taking all into account. Some claim that a Mithraic stone carving, which depicts the famous bull scene with one vertical row of six images on each side, proves the “12 disciples” connection. However, most current Mithraic scholarship attributes these to zodiac representations. In addition to acknowledging that since the carving itself dates to well after the time of Jesus, any connections to the Christian tradition of 12 disciples would have to implicate Mithraism as the copycat, not Christianity. In the other direction, one would have to claim that Christianity stole the number twelve from astrology- likely a much more difficult case to make.

    Claim 4 Mithras offered eternal life to his followers.
    Truth: Like the “traveling teacher” connection, this claim no more implicates Christianity as it does just about every religious tradition that posits life after death. Incidentally, the only specific mention of a Mithraic offer of eternal life to his followers exists in a piece of writing dated to 200 A.D., which has been translated, “and us, too, you saved by spilling the eternal blood.” In Mithraic tradition, the blood is not the blood of Mithras, but that of the bull he slaughtered, and “saved” referred to being approved to ascend through other levels toward immortality. It was clearly not the same type of salvation that is taught in Christian theology.

    Claim 5: Mithras performed miracles.
    Truth: While both the Iranian Mithra and the Roman Mithras traditions recount acts of great power done by Mithra(s), this is hardly an incriminating fact. Like the teaching and offering of immortality, this is another common attribute of any religious figure. To make this claim worthwhile, one would have to show similarities in type of miracle (i.e. Mithras walked on water, healed the blind, or raised the dead).

    Claim 6 Mithras sacrificed himself for mankind.
    Truth: Some Mithraic scholars have tried to depict Mithras and the bull he had slain as one and the same, construing the story to represent that Mithras gave his own life. However, the narrative in no way suggests this. At best, Mithras could be considered heroic for his victory over the bull, though more likely is the modern interpretation that the bull slaying story corresponded to astrological themes. However, this has no comparison to the Christian claim that Jesus died as atonement for the sins of mankind.

    Claim 7 Mithras was buried in a tomb, and after three days, He rose again.
    Truth: In Prescription Against Heretics, Tertullian writes, “if my memory still serves me, Mithra there, (in the kingdom of Satan), sets his marks on the foreheads of his soldiers; celebrates also the oblation of bread, and introduces an image of a resurrection, and before a sword wreathes a crow.” This is the only reference from which some Mithraic scholars claim a correlation between Mithraic and Christian traditions. Unfortunately, having been written after the New Testament, there is no evidence that what it describes predates Christianity. Nor is there really any compelling aspect to Tertullian’s description that would indicate that these practices were authentic to Mithraism or even appropriately compared to Christian tradition.

    Claim 8 Mithras said, “He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.”
    Truth: There is no evidence for this saying being attributed to Mithras. Scholars have, however, found this saying attributed to Zarathustra, though in a medieval docu ment (remember that Zarathustra, the founding prophet of Zoroastrianism, is thought to have lived some time around 2000 B.C.). Though followers of Mithras were known to have fellowship meals, at which was eaten bread, water, wine and meat, such circ umstances were common to meals shared by many people in many different contexts.

    Claim 9: Mithras celebrated a Eucharist or “Lord’s Supper”
    Truth: Followers of Mithras did NOT celebrate a Eucharist, but they did celebrate a fellowship meal regularly, just as did many other groups in the Roman world.

    Claim 10: Mithras was called “the Good Shepherd”, and was identified with both the Lamb and the Lion
    Truth: There is NO evidence that Mithras was ever called “the Good Shepherd” or identified with a lamb, but Since Mithras was a sun-god, there was an as sociation with Leo (the House of the Sun in Babylonian astrology), so one might say that he was as sociated with a Lion. But once again, all of this evidence is actually POST New Testament, and cannot therefore be borrowed by Christianity.

    The Reasoning Behind the Mithras Mythology: If God was to be as sociated in our minds with a symbol from animal life, we would expect him to have a strong representation, such as a lion.

    Claim 11: Mithras was considered to be the “Way, the Truth and the Light,” and the “Logos,” “Redeemer,” “Savior” and “Messiah.”
    Truth: Based on the researched and known historic record of the Mithraic tradition, none of these terms has ever been applied to Mithras deity with the exception of “mediator”. But this term is very different from the way that it is used in the Christian tradition. Mithras is not the mediator between God and man but the mediator between the good and evil Gods of Zoroaster.

    The Reasoning Behind the Mithras Mythology: If there is a God, we would expect him to provide us with some way to know him, perhaps in the form of a mediator.

    Claim 12: Mithras celebrated Sunday as His sacred day (also known as the “Lord’s Day,”)
    Truth: This tradition of celebrating Sunday is only true of Mithras followers in Rome and it is a tradition that dates to POST Christian times. Once again, it is more likely to have been borrowed from Christianity than the other way around.

    The Reasoning Behind the Mithras Mythology: Any true worship of God should and would involve a desire on the part of the believer to honor this God regularly

    Conclusions
    It should be emphasized that none of the alleged similarities between Mithras and Jesus can be shown to apply to the Persian Mithra, but only to the Roman Mithraic tradition, which did not really flourish until after the time of the New Testament.
    That said, the alleged connections are quite dubious, as explained above. In fact, no archeological evidence for this tradition can be argued to exist from any earlier than A.D. 90. This seems to suggest that the re-emergence of Mithras in the Roman context preserved the name of the Persian deity, yet adopted a new set of traditions more closely linked to the many mystery religions of the time. In any case, the overall Mithraic tradition should actually be thought of as two distinct movements, having little to do with one another beyond having a god of the same name.
    From this quick examination of the Mithras tradition, we can see that he is formed from the rock of a mountain. His birthday celebration was later adopted at the winter solstice, just as the Roman Catholics did for the birth of Christ. Mithras was not a teacher like Jesus. He did not have twelve disciples like Jesus. He may have offered his followers immortality, as this was common for deity mythologies of all kinds. He was believed to have performed miracles, like other deities. He did not sacrifice himself for the world as did Jesus. There is no evidence that Mithras ever died, was ever buried or ever resurrected. In a similar way, there is no evidence that Mithras was ever called the “Good Shepherd” or a ssociated with the lamb. He was loosely a ssociated to the lion in that he was a sun-god as sociated to Leo. Mithras has never been called the “Way, the Truth and the Light,” the “Logos,” “Redeemer,” “Savior” nor “Messiah.” He was called a “mediator” but in a very different way than Jesus. Followers of Mithras did celebrate on Sunday in the years FOLLOWING the Christian celebration of the “Lord’s Day”, and while Mithras followers did fellowship together, they did not celebrate a Eucharist of any kind. So in hindsight, how similar is Mithras to Jesus after all?

    Sources
    The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries
    (Cosmology and Salvation in the Ancient World)
    by David Ulansey (Oxford University Press, 1989)
    Mithras, the Secret God
    by M. J. Vermaseren (Barnes and Noble Publishers, 1963)
    Mithraic Studies
    (Proceedings of the First International Congress of Mithraic Studies – 2 Volumes)
    edited by John R Hinnells (Manchester University Press, 1975)

    March 17, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
    • End Religion

      Sorry, Chad, you're a sad broken little man. Very few serious scholars claim your miracles jesus existed because there is no credible evidence, and no, the bible is not evidence of anything. It is simply a falsehood you cling to, like the existence of god, because you are frightened of death and can't fathom the tiny chance of our existence.

      2000 years and counting and no empirical evidence for any jesus or god is available. Even religious scholars can't agree on jesus!

      "All reliable evidence points to Jesus Christ being just a myth. There is no reliable evidence that Jesus even existed, and significant evidence that he didn't. The evidence is in the Bible, the other religions of the time, and the lack of writings about Jesus by historians of the time.

      The story of Jesus can be shown to be just a myth cobbled together out of prophesy and stories from the Old Testament and previous gods and myths - created in the 40's and 50's by Paul of Tarsus (who exhibited evidence of epilepsy and had delusions of Christ talking to him), the other apostles, the unknown authors of the gospels in the 70's or later, and many other people. The reliable evidence for this is overwhelming.

      Paul and the other epistle writers don't know any biographical details of Jesus' life, or even the time of his earthly existence. They don't refer to Bethlehem, Nazareth, Galilee, Calvary or Golgotha — or any pilgrimages to what should have been holy sites of Jesus' life. They also don't mention any miracles that Jesus was supposed to have worked, his virgin birth, his trial, the empty tomb, his moral teachings, his disciples, or even when he existed. To them Jesus was largely a sky-god, who existed in the spiritual past.

      If Jesus had actually existed, Paul would have written about his life, disciples, and teachings. Paul did not write about any of this. Paul wrote (in Romans 16:25-26, Galatians 1:16) that he knew Jesus through revelation, which is another term for fantasy. We can also tell that people were accusing Paul of lying, because he attempted to defend himself in Romans 3:5-8.

      If Jesus had actually existed, the gospels would have been written in first person format. Instead, they were written in third person fiction format like a Harry Potter story, with Matthew and Luke extensively plagiarizing from Mark.

      If Jesus had actually existed, at least one of the approximately 30 local historians of the first century would have written about him. No historian of the first century (including Josephus) wrote about him or his disciples.

      Therefore Jesus didn't exist.

      The Jesus story also shows extensive similarities to other myths of the time (especially Dionysus, Mithra, and Horus). Some early Christians attributed this to Satan who went back in time and created the religions that "copied" Christianity.

      Jesus is worshiped on Sunday because he is a sun god, like Mithra, Zeus/Jupiter, Horus, Attis, Dionysus, Adonis, Tammuz, Hercules, Perseus, Bacchus, Apollo, Helios, and Sol Invictus - whose birthdays are also on the old winter solstice of December 25, when the sun is “reborn.”

      There were more than a dozen other deities and saviors who were resurrected after violent deaths - Mithra, Osiris/Serapis, Inanna/Ishtar, Horus, Perseus, Bacchus, Attis, Hermes, Adonis, Hercules/Heracles, Tammuz, Asclepius, and Prometheus. Christianity just told the story the best, and managed to get control of the government under Constantine.

      March 17, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • Chad

      no luck with that scholar, back to the old unsubstantiated declarative?

      tough row to how being a Jesus denier... I dont envy you that task.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
    • clarity

      Christianity is the cream of the crop when it comes to unsubstantiated claims. Anonymously texts, supported by little, and when there is little support the supporting texts have arguably been tampered with.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
    • End Religion

      Where's that empirical evidence for the existence of jesus or god. Either one? Hmmm... that's odd.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:09 pm |
    • Chad

      STILL no luck with that scholar??? I'm shocked!

      not really 🙂

      does it give you pause at all to know that you cant find a single serious scholar that believes that Jesus was not a real historical figure as you do?

      March 17, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
    • Bob

      Still no luck getting that thigh gap to open up, Rachel-Chad? Better get back on that workout program.

      March 17, 2013 at 11:35 pm |
    • End Religion

      So sad... I've said over and over, even on this page, some cat might have existed who ran around claiming divinity – there were a handful of those lunatics running around then as there are now. But he was nothing more than a David Koresh. No more divine then Charles Manson. The whole resurrection bullshît was added later, probably by Paul, that snake.

      But miracle Jeebus? Nope, that guy never existed except in Chad's head. Sorry, Charlie!

      What, still no empirical evidence for your god or jesus? Why is that, Chad? You've had 2000 years. Could it be it's all a medieval goat herder fraud which you buy into? Imagine that, a 21st century intelligent man buying into the superstîtion scam. What a maroon!

      March 18, 2013 at 11:31 am |
  8. Rick Shultz

    Dorothy my compliments to you for your use of Bart Erman's work to point to the fact even atheist scholars no longer attempt to deny that Jesus did in fact exist. Do not be disappointed by "End Religion" as he is just another obnoxious extremist who refuses to accept scholarship that even promenant members of his own confused, lost, non-faith have come to except. Tacitus used information from the ROMAN ARCHIVES to refer to Jesus and there are still some who will not believe. It would erode their tenuous grip on what they choose to call reality to do so. Jesus is Lord and Savior.

    March 16, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
    • End Religion

      Beyond the Quest for the Historical Jesus
      Thomas L. Brodie
      "Jesus did not exist as a historical individual"

      Bart Ehrman
      http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/05/15/bible.critic/index.html (debunks the bible)
      In another Bart D. Ehrman book his introductory statement is similar to mine, there was likely some dude named jesus but there is no proof he was divine.

      So, you list scholars who've proved some dude named jesus existed. We list scholars who say no special jesus existed. And then we both post OTHER people who call our experts crazy and uneducated.

      And around we go herding translucent cats in a dark basement, landing back down on your belief versus my need for proof. So until I have that proof, jesus son of god did not exist. And since I know the bible is a book of lies concocted by men, and there exists nothing else that could even be considered "evidence", your god doesn't exist either. Since god doesn't exist it's a safe assumption any jesus mentioned was just a regular dude built up via myth.

      But I will leave the door cracked for you that there exists the chance that one day there may be proven a creator.

      March 17, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
    • End Religion

      Tacitus is a fraud:
      http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/josephus-etal.html

      There never was a miracle jesus and certainly no tribal god of israel. Sorry... time to grow up.

      March 17, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • Chad

      @End Religion "since I know the bible is a book of lies concocted by men,"

      =>well, you have this personal conviction that it is.. but that conviction isnt actually based on any investigation.. right?

      you just "know' God isnt real.. so that means a divine Jesus Christ CANT be real..so, there!!

      having done no investigation... what weight do you feel your opinion holds?

      March 17, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
    • End Religion

      Been over this plenty of times, retard. Bible is fiction. You yourself agree the bible is fiction, otherwise you would not be an old-earth creationist, and you would be out murdering gays and sabbath-workers just as your god commanded. But you don't do that stuff because you don't believe the bible or god's commands. Chad, you are my walking evideence there is no god.

      March 17, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
    • Chad

      @End Religion "Bible is fiction"

      =>well, you have this personal conviction that it is.. but that conviction isnt actually based on any investigation.. right?

      you just "know' God isnt real.. so that means a divine Jesus Christ CANT be real..so, there!!

      having done no investigation... what weight do you feel your opinion holds?

      March 17, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
    • End Religion

      asked and answered over and over. Tacitus: fraud. Josephus: fraud. Gospel of John: fraud. And yet you cling to them all even though evidence is continually provided. One would think your delusion might be dispelled yet you're back the next day with the same refuted argument. Like a carnival freakshow people come inside the tent to watch you in your own weird world.

      March 17, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • Chad

      @End Religion "Tacitus: fraud. Josephus: fraud. Gospel of John: fraud."

      =>well, you have this personal conviction that they are. but those convictions arent actually based on any investigation.. right?

      you just "know' God isnt real.. so that means anything that points to Jesus being real simply HAS to be false.. that's your 'research" right?

      you sound a bit like the 9/11 conspiracy theorists.. This belief that lacks any real support and runs contrary to scholarship..

      March 17, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • Gregg

      well what about the fact that bush's grandfather was a member of the investment bank that funded Adolf's war,and how he goes to the satanic ceremony at bohemian grove where they float a burning fake body underneath a forty foot owl (female representation of Molech). Bush;s grandfather had money seized in the trading with the enemy act, he made money of Jewish slave labor. is this ethical, considering the fact that bushes are involved with the same banking all through their presidencies? did the church backing him know they were 3 or 4 generations deep in the defense investment banking? these are war contractors. How can a family in that business be calling the shots on war and have the christian church backing it up? that is militant christianity, and i believe the church was ignorant of what was going on. but you have to blame yourself for "voting for a war" if you did. that is a bloody vote.

      March 17, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • End Religion

      "Recently Bart Ehrman took up a case against the mythicist denial of a historical Jesus in his book of pop-appeal, Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth. The erudition you find in works of his like The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture gets lost in a reoccurring ad hominem against mythicists. We learn that the historicity of Jesus is accepted by nearly every expert in the field (p. 4) and mythicists are by and large composed of non-experts (p. 19). Ehrman’s statement to the effect that expert opinion isn’t proof of a claim’s veracity (p. 4) is consequentially negated on a practical plane by his qualifying statements and ad nauseam appeals to authority; effectively poisoning the well against mythicist conviction."
      – Bryant Cody Rudisill

      March 17, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
    • Gregg

      well what about the fact that bush's grandfather was a member of the investment bank that funded Adolf's war,and how he goes to the satanic ceremony at bohemian grove where they float a burning fake body underneath a forty foot owl (female representation of Molech). Bush;s grandfather had money seized in the trading with the enemy act, he made money of Jewish slave labor. is this ethical, considering the fact that bushes are involved with the same banking all through their presidencies? did the church backing him know they were 3 or 4 generations deep in the defense investment banking?
      these are war contractors. How can a family in that business be calling the shots on war and have the christian church backing it up? that is militant christianity, and i believe the church was ignorant of what was going on. but you have to blame yourself for "voting for a war" if you did. that is a bloody vote.

      it sounds like you are a christian Chad, and I am too, but how does a church end up backing up a secular government for a war, with a president whos interests are hidden and unethical? conspiracy theory? the bin ladens and bush were in the carlyle group. another defense bank right? this is the most wicked situation that i have ever heard of, because so many decent people backed it right up. this was a mass brainwashing of the chrurch into satans scheme. The church went right out and voted for Bush because they thought He was a great christian.
      AM I WRONG?

      March 17, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
    • Chad

      @End Religion " the historicity of Jesus is accepted by nearly every expert in the field"
      @Chad "I agree!!!

      @End Religion "mythicists are by and large composed of non-experts "
      @Chad "I agree!!!

      p.s. a "mythicist" is a person that believes Jesus was a mythical figure..

      I dont think you actually realized what you cut and pasted was saying 🙂

      March 17, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
    • End Religion

      Chad, why can't you dispute the historicity of the empty colander, and how this proves the Flying Spaghetti Monster is Risen as the One True God?

      March 17, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
    • End Religion

      Chad I'm not sure you read the quote correctly. How can you defend it when it obviously crushes your position? Sometimes I wonder if you received your education from the garden supply section of WalMart.

      March 17, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • Chad

      @End Religion "I'm not sure you read the quote correctly.... Sometimes I wonder if you received your education from the garden supply section of WalMart."

      @Chad "
      I LOVE it!!

      I love everything about it.. the fact that you posted something that refutes mysticism, the fact that you didnt realize it, the fact that Bart Ehrman is a staunch opponent of mythicists (people who deny the historical reality of Jesus), and MOST OF ALL the fact that you close all that ignorance on your part with a shot at my educational background.

      its... just so perfect!! The perfect atheist response! Inaccurate in ever respect 🙂

      March 17, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
    • Chad

      http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2012/0703/Biblical-scholar-Bart-Ehrman-supports-the-historic-existence-of-Jesus

      do yourself a favor.. read it 🙂

      March 17, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • Bob

      Rachel(Chad), do yourself a favor and get back on that treadmill. Still no thigh gap... maybe you should try a diet too.

      March 17, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • Chad

      @Bob,

      want to thank you also for showing the world that when all is said and done, the only atheist response is ad-hominem.

      you'll have to look that up...

      March 17, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
    • End Religion

      I remain unsurprised you do not understand why I chose the quote specifically for you Chad. Google the phrase. Read the article – you will be tickled it is entirely in your favour. Why would I have done that? Think, Chad. Use your tiny brain. Read the quote for what it says about Ehrman from an author who is playing on your team. You're so thrilled the quote mentions Ehrman that you haven't read it or bothered to see where it came from.

      As I've posted for you several times...

      Beyond the Quest for the Historical Jesus
      Thomas L. Brodie
      "Jesus did not exist as a historical individual"

      Bart Ehrman
      http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/05/15/bible.critic/index.html (debunks the bible)
      In another Bart D. Ehrman book his introductory statement is similar to mine, there was likely some dude named jesus but there is no proof he was divine.

      So, you list scholars who've proved some dude named jesus existed. We list scholars who say no special jesus existed. And then we both post OTHER people who call our experts crazy and uneducated.

      And around we go herding translucent cats in a dark basement, landing back down on your belief versus my need for proof. So until I have that proof, jesus son of god did not exist. And since I know the bible is a book of lies concocted by men, and there exists nothing else that could even be considered "evidence", your god doesn't exist either. Since god doesn't exist it's a safe assumption any jesus mentioned was just a regular dude built up via myth.

      But I will leave the door cracked for you that there exists the chance that one day there may be proven a creator. There's just no evidence, and that's REALLY frustrating for sad Chad.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • Chad

      @End Religion " you will be tickled it is entirely in your favour. Why would I have done that? "

      =>cause.. you didnt read it, didnt understand what the reference to "mysticism" was, and incorrectly thought Ehrman was a Jesus denier?

      not to complicated 🙂

      March 18, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      too

      March 18, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Oh, lookie! Emoticons! Chard must be in a snit.

      March 18, 2013 at 8:29 pm |
    • End Religion

      I used the quote because it is from a religious person who illustrated that even while Ehrman agrees with the historicity of Jesus, he's "a serious scholar" (as you say) who uses ad hominem attacks and appeals to authority in his "scholarly work". The focus on academic qualifications for what is supposed to be a matter of belief is fallacious, and your "serious scholars" are not above reproach in their fervor.

      Even if I grant you a Jesus existed, you are still no closer to proving divinity. Your great fear is the opposite, that in showing evidence against Jesus' existence then there can be no religion based on him. You have so much to lose here and so little to win, it's no wonder you fight like a cornered animal for that scrap. A sad, broken, deluded, wounded animal.

      March 18, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
  9. Omar

    Jesus is our Creator.

    March 11, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • End Religion

      Your jesus never existed. Grow up.

      March 13, 2013 at 3:11 am |
    • Chad

      Can you name any serious scholar that claims Jesus didnt exist?

      Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[5][6][7][8] and biblical scholars and cla ssical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.[9][10][11] Scholars generally agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born BC 7–2 and died AD 30–36.[12][13] Most scholars hold that Jesus lived in Galilee and Judea[14][15][16] and that he spoke Aramaic and may have also spoken Hebrew and Greek.[17][18][19][20][21] Although scholars differ on the reconstruction of the specific episodes of the life of Jesus, the two events whose historicity is subject to "almost universal as sent" are that he was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.

      [5] Jesus and His Contemporaries: Comparative Studies by Craig A. Evans 2001 ISBN 0391041185 pages 2-5
      [6] Christopher M. Tuckett In The Cambridge Companion to Jesus edited by Markus N. A. Bockmuehl 2001 ISBN 0521796784 pages 122-126
      [7] Amy-Jill Levine in the The Historical Jesus in Context edited by Amy-Jill Levine et al. 2006 Princeton Univ Press ISBN 978-0-691-00992-6 pages 1-2
      [8] Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium by Bart D. Ehrman (Sep 23, 1999) ISBN 0195124731 Oxford Univ Press pages ix-xi
      [9] In a 2011 review of the state of modern scholarship, Bart Ehrman (who is a secular agnostic) wrote: "He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees" B. Ehrman, 2011 Forged : writing in the name of God ISBN 978-0-06-207863-6. page 285
      ^ Robert M. Price (an atheist who denies existence) agrees that this perspective runs against the views of the majority of scholars: Robert M. Price "Jesus at the Vanishing Point" in The Historical Jesus: Five Views edited by James K. Beilby & Paul Rhodes Eddy, 2009 InterVarsity, ISBN 028106329X page 61
      [10] Michael Grant (a cla ssicist) states that "In recent years, 'no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus' or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary." in Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels by Micjhael Grant 2004 ISBN 1898799881 page 200
      [11] Richard A. Burridge states: "There are those who argue that Jesus is a figment of the Church’s imagination, that there never was a Jesus at all. I have to say that I do not know any respectable critical scholar who says that any more." in Jesus Now and Then by Richard A. Burridge and Graham Gould (Apr 1, 2004) ISBN 0802809774 page 34
      [12] Robert E. Van Voorst Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence Eerdmans Publishing, 2000. ISBN 0-8028-4368-9 page 16 states: "biblical scholars and cla ssical historians regard theories of non-existence of Jesus as effectively refuted"
      [13] James D. G. Dunn "Paul's understanding of the death of Jesus" in Sacrifice and Redemption edited by S. W. Sykes (Dec 3, 2007) Cambridge University Press ISBN 052104460X pages 35-36 states that the theories of non-existence of Jesus are "a thoroughly dead thesis"
      [14] The Gospels and Jesus by Graham Stanton, 1989 ISBN 0192132415 Oxford University Press, page 145 states : "Today nearly all historians, whether Christians or not, accept that Jesus existed".
      [15] Paul L. Maier "The Date of the Nativity and Chronology of Jesus" in Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies by Jerry Vardaman, Edwin M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1 pages 113-129
      [16] The Cradle, the Cross, and the Crown: An Introduction to the New Testament by Andreas J. Köstenberger, L. Scott Kellum 2009 ISBN 978-0-8054-4365-3 page 114
      ^ Joel B. Green, Scot McKnight, I. Howard Marshall, Dictionary of Jesus and the Gospels (InterVarsity Press, 1992), page 442
      [17] The Historical Jesus in Recent Research edited by James D. G. Dunn and Scot McKnight 2006 ISBN 1-57506-100-7 page 303
      [18] Who Is Jesus? by John Dominic Crossan, Richard G. Watts 1999 ISBN 0664258425 pages 28-29
      [19] James Barr, Which language did Jesus speak, Bulletin of the John Rylands University Library of Manchester, 1970; 53(1) pages 9-29 [1]
      [20] Handbook to exegesis of the New Testament by Stanley E. Porter 1997 ISBN 90-04-09921-2 pages 110-112
      [21] Discovering the language of Jesus by Douglas Hamp 2005 ISBN 1-59751-017-3 page 3-4
      ^ Jesus in history and myth by R. Joseph Hoffmann 1986 ISBN 0-87975-332-3 page 98

      March 17, 2013 at 5:54 pm |
    • End Religion

      Sorry, Chad, you're a sad broken little man. Very few serious scholars claim your miracles jesus existed because there is no credible evidence, and no, the bible is not evidence of anything. It is simply a falsehood you cling to, like the existence of god, because you are frightened of death and can't fathom the tiny chance of our existence.

      2000 years and counting and no empirical evidence for any jesus or god is available. Even religious scholars can't agree on jesus!

      March 17, 2013 at 6:11 pm |
    • End Religion

      "All reliable evidence points to Jesus Christ being just a myth. There is no reliable evidence that Jesus even existed, and significant evidence that he didn't. The evidence is in the Bible, the other religions of the time, and the lack of writings about Jesus by historians of the time.

      The story of Jesus can be shown to be just a myth cobbled together out of prophesy and stories from the Old Testament and previous gods and myths - created in the 40's and 50's by Paul of Tarsus (who exhibited evidence of epilepsy and had delusions of Christ talking to him), the other apostles, the unknown authors of the gospels in the 70's or later, and many other people. The reliable evidence for this is overwhelming.

      Paul and the other epistle writers don't know any biographical details of Jesus' life, or even the time of his earthly existence. They don't refer to Bethlehem, Nazareth, Galilee, Calvary or Golgotha — or any pilgrimages to what should have been holy sites of Jesus' life. They also don't mention any miracles that Jesus was supposed to have worked, his virgin birth, his trial, the empty tomb, his moral teachings, his disciples, or even when he existed. To them Jesus was largely a sky-god, who existed in the spiritual past.

      If Jesus had actually existed, Paul would have written about his life, disciples, and teachings. Paul did not write about any of this. Paul wrote (in Romans 16:25-26, Galatians 1:16) that he knew Jesus through revelation, which is another term for fantasy. We can also tell that people were accusing Paul of lying, because he attempted to defend himself in Romans 3:5-8.

      If Jesus had actually existed, the gospels would have been written in first person format. Instead, they were written in third person fiction format like a Harry Potter story, with Matthew and Luke extensively plagiarizing from Mark.

      If Jesus had actually existed, at least one of the approximately 30 local historians of the first century would have written about him. No historian of the first century (including Josephus) wrote about him or his disciples.

      Therefore Jesus didn't exist.

      The Jesus story also shows extensive similarities to other myths of the time (especially Dionysus, Mithra, and Horus). Some early Christians attributed this to Satan who went back in time and created the religions that "copied" Christianity.

      Jesus is worshiped on Sunday because he is a sun god, like Mithra, Zeus/Jupiter, Horus, Attis, Dionysus, Adonis, Tammuz, Hercules, Perseus, Bacchus, Apollo, Helios, and Sol Invictus - whose birthdays are also on the old winter solstice of December 25, when the sun is “reborn.”

      There were more than a dozen other deities and saviors who were resurrected after violent deaths - Mithra, Osiris/Serapis, Inanna/Ishtar, Horus, Perseus, Bacchus, Attis, Hermes, Adonis, Hercules/Heracles, Tammuz, Asclepius, and Prometheus. Christianity just told the story the best, and managed to get control of the government under Constantine."

      March 17, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • Chad

      LOL

      but, thanks for the opportunity to (for the hundredth time) to post the evidence quashing the nonsense of horus et el.. One would think you would get tired of being so obviously refuted.. but doesnt seem to ever bother you.

      🙂


      putting to death the nonsense comparison of Horus and Jesus

      Claim #1-Horus and Jesus are born from a virgin.

      Horus’s mother is Isis. Isis was married to Osiris. We do not know for what length of time, but presumably the marriage was consummated. Whether it was or wasn’t doesn’t matter though. After Osiris is killed, Isis puts him back together again (he was hacked into 14 pieces) except for his penis which was tossed in a river or a lake. Iris fashions a subst itute penis for him, humps him and here comes Horus. There is nothing virginal about that.

      Claim #2-Both Horus and Jesus were born to a Mary and Joseph. (Seb)

      As noted Isis is Horus’s mother’s name not Mary. In addition, Seb is not Horus’s father, Osiris is. Seb is Osiris’s father. Further, Seb is a distinct name from Joseph. Putting them side by side does not make them synonyms, and that appears to be what was done here.

      Claim #3-Both were born of royal descent.

      This is accurate.

      Claim #4-Both births were announced by angels and witnessed by shepherds.

      I can find nothing that mentions that the birth of Horus was announced by an angel or witnessed by shepherds. I have found that Horus was born in a swamp, which is a pretty unlikely place for shepherds. In addition Acharya mentions that Horus was born in a cave. Mas sey makes no mention of this, although he does represent that Mithra was born in a cave.

      Claim #5-Both were heralded by stars and angels.

      There is no star that heralded Horus’s birth nor is there any angel announcing it. Archarya in a footnote in The Origins of Christianity indicates that that there are three stars named the three kings in Orion and then relates this to the birth of Jesus. When we look to the stories regarding Horus, we find no star or angel announcing his birth. To the extent that Acharya S relies upon Ma ssey and Ma ssey relies upon what is depicted in the panels at Luxor see (from an atheist) further regarding virgin birth and pronouncement by angels http ://w ww.frontlin e-apologetics.com/carrier_luxor _inscription.htm

      Claim #6-Both had later visitors (Horus-3 deities and Jesus-3 wisemen.)

      There is no indication that there ever were 3 wisemen. The bible never mentions the number of wisemen, nor is there any docu ment that reflects 3 deities at the birth of Horus. See the website referenced in Claim #5.

      Claim #7-Both had murder plots against them.

      There is mention that Seth did want to kill Horus, and Herod wanted to kill Jesus. so this is accurate.

      Claim#8-Both came of age at 12, were baptized and their baptizers were executed.

      There is no indication that Horus was preaching in a temple when he was 12. In fact, Ma ssey indicates that Hours the child was depicted as a “weakling.” That doesn’t jive with story of Jesus preaching in the temple. Again this appears to have been a confabulation from Acharya and repeated by others.

      Horus was never baptized in any of the Horus stories. In addition, Acharya mentions that John the Baptist is actually Anup the Baptizer. This individual is never mentioned anywhere in any Horus account. There is not even a footnote in Archaya’s on-line work The Origins of Christianity to support this. There is nothing.

      Claim #9-Both had 12 disciples.

      According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is some indication of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. Horus did not have 12 disciples. Jesus reportedly did. Acharya failed to give a footnote to support this.

      Ma ssey points to a mural in the Book of Hades in which there are twelve reapers. Horus is not present in this scene. For Ma ssey to make this connection he goes to a different scene within the same mural. In this scene there is a picture of a god whose name is the Master of Joy. Horus is never depicted although in other murals the artists do depict Horus. Had the artists ascribed 12 reapers in any relation to Horus all they had to do was put Horus at the scene. They did not.

      Claim #10-Both walked on water.

      Horus didn’t, or at least there is no record that I can find that he did. Ma ssey does not maintain that Hours did. Ma ssey uses wild conjecture to connect the story of fish man, Oannes, not Horus, to Jesus. Oannes came out of the sea during the day, and went back into the sea at ni ght. Ma ssey makes the two analogous because by his calculations, Jesus walked on water during the day.

      As to Acharya, she as usual provides nothing to substantiate this.

      Claim #11-Both performed miracles.

      This is true although the miracles were different in scope and nature.

      Claim #12 Both exorcised demons and raised Lazarus.

      The actual claim is that Horus raised Osiris from the dead and that the name Osiris morphed to Lazarus. It doesn’t matter because Horus did not bring Osiris back to life. There is no mention of this in any docu ment regarding the story. Horus did avenge Osiris’s death, but that did not raise Osiris from the dead.

      Claim #13-Both held a Sermon on the Mount; both were transfigured on a mountain, died by crucifixion along with two thieves and were buried in tombs where they paid a quick visit to Hell and then rose from the dead after 3 days time, both resurrections were witness by women, and both will supposedly reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.

      These are the most damning claims if they were proven true in my opinion. Yet, I can locate none of this. No sermon, no transfiguration, certainly no crucifixion w/ two thieves, no trip to hell and no resurrection. There was an incident in which Horus was torn to pieces and Iris requested the crocodile god to fish him out of the water he was tossed into, which was done, but that’s it. I am at a loss to refute this because I can not find anything to support it.

      Ma ssey does compares a story about the Autumn Equinox related to Osiris, not Horus, as the symbolic crucifixion. There is no indication that Horus is involved in any way. There is no mention by Ma ssey of any Sermon on the Mount. No mention or any actual crucifixion, no two thieves, no burial in a tomb. Mas sey does not maintain that anything of the sort occurred with Horus.

      In short, of the claims outlined in this entry, I find the comparison between Horus and Jesus to consist of the following: they were of royal descent, they allegedly worked miracles and there were murder plots against them.

      March 17, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
    • End Religion

      The world is very familiar with the common religious tactic of accusing someone of the very thing they themselves are doing. Every time you post you are refuted over and over again and yet you post the same lies. Go on and post the same claptrap about how an empty stone vault could possibly be proof of anything. It only brings your delusion to light.

      Peruse the vast wasteland that is known as "jeebus' existence"
      http://jesusneverexisted.com/

      March 17, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • Chad

      @End Religion

      "http://jesusneverexisted.com/"

      That web site is actually very interesting.. Speculation, statements with no backing evidence, statements that are clearly false.. no scholarly support...

      did you have a hand in developing it?

      oh, I guess you werent able to find any serious scholar that believes Jesus never existed?

      March 17, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
    • End Religion

      There is not a single shred of proof for your miracle jesus.

      March 17, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
    • Chad

      @End Religion "There is not a single shred of proof for your miracle jesus."

      =>no luck finding that scholar hunh?... sorry about that..

      March 17, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • End Religion

      And that empirical evidence for the existence of either god or jesus? I'll take either one.

      Jesus never existed:
      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/09/my-take-a-word-to-christians-be-nice/comment-page-51/#comment-2173770

      I don't know how many times a day we point this out but there is not one single credible eyewitness for your jesus. There may have been some guy who claimed miracles running around at that time, as apparently there quite a few religious kooks as there are today, but even if we accept he existence of this person you're not one inch closer to having evidence for divinity.

      Even Christopher Hitchens is willing to accept there may have been some dude running around claiming he was the son of god. He's willing to grant almost all of your myth. It simply isn't proof of anything. Indeed the fact that a census was imagined in order to get this "son of god" kook into Bethlehem seems to lend credence to the idea the jesus story is mostly fabrication.

      March 17, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
    • Chad

      still no luck with that scholar?

      Like 9/11 conspiracy theorists, being a Jesus denier is a tough, uphill, thankless job....

      March 17, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
    • clarity

      Don't have to deny anything Chad. It was the early Christian apologists themselves that put the fishy smell in the gospel stories. Diabolical mimicry. Plagiarism in reverse courtesy of the devil. Don't pay any attention to that man behind the curtain. I am OZ.

      March 17, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • End Religion

      I've told you time and again I will grant there may have been some dude walking around claiming divinity who people popularly name as Jesus. But your miracle jesus never existed, and there's no scholar who's ever provided any empirical evidence for that. And so...

      Your jesus never existed. This is fact that no one has ever been able to disprove. I am sorry you fight so hard to show evidence for your historical jeebus and then immediately jump to the conclusion he was divine. one does not provide evidence of the other.

      You remain sad, pathetic... you should try to reconcile with your parents though I can see why they reject you. Nutters like you are such a downer. Maybe they'll adopt me?

      March 17, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
    • Saraswati

      You guys are just arguing semantics. The disagreement here (not everywhere, but here) appears to just be around the miraculousness, not the existence of a person. The claim that "miracle jesus never existed" was a poor choice of words, but it seems off even still that it would be misunderstood. Just saying I'd move on if I were you two.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • Gregg

      Rense.com

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      George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded
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      10-10-3

      WASHINGTON - After 60 years of inattention and even denial by the U.S. media, newly-uncovered government doc.uments in The National Archives and Library of Congress reveal that Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, served as a business partner of and U.S. banking operative for the financial architect of the Na.zi war machine from 1926 until 1942, when Congress took aggressive action against Bush and his "enemy national" partners.
      Furthermore, the declas.sified records demonstrate that Bush and his as.sociates, who included E. Roland Harriman, younger brother of American icon W. Averell Harriman, and George Herbert Walker, President Bush's maternal great-grandfather, continued their dealings with the German industrial tyco.on for nearly a year after the U.S. entered the war.

      The docu.ments also show that Bush and his colleagues, according to reports from the U.S. Department of the Treasury, tried to conceal their financial alliance with German industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a steel and coal baron who, beginning in the mid-1920s, personally funded Adolf Hitler's rise to power by the subversion of democratic principle and German law.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
    • End Religion

      We can move on knowing Chad's buck-toothed, slack-jawed yokel, Jeebus never existed. That works for me.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
    • Chad

      @Saraswati "You guys are just arguing semantics"

      =>actually, I love these opportunities,
      1. It gives me the opportunity to refute with scholarly evidence the "jesus is a myth derived from horus/dionysus/Mithra". Demonstrating the atheist making the claim hasnt done his/her homework and has a belief based on incorrect information.

      2. It gives me the opportunity to refute the "Jesus was not a historical figure" with scholarly evidence, demonstrating the atheist making the claim hasnt done his/her homework and has a belief based on incorrect information.

      3. It gives me the opportunity to show that atheists in general, have a belief system in place that is all predicated first and foremost on their belief that the God of Israel doesnt exist, a belief for which they have no evidence and have done no investigation.

      March 17, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • End Religion

      Chad, why no empirical evidence for miracle Jeebus? Why no empirical evidence for your god? Is it that you're too feeble to provide it, that your god is to weak to provide it, or that it doesn't exist because neither ever existed?

      March 17, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
    • End Religion

      Chad, why haven't you disproved the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and since you cannot disprove it, why haven't you dropped the god of israel in favor of the indisputable One True God, the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

      March 17, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
    • Chad

      No scholar yet??

      man... so you're reduced to demanding evidence with is "observation, experience, and experiment" for a person crucified 2000 years ago... knowing that there is no such thing as evidence by "observation, experience, and experiment" for ANY ancient historical person..

      well, you picked a tough row to hoe, Jesus deniers are a dying breed 🙂

      March 17, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • Bob

      Chad-Rachel, how's that exercise program going? Still zero thigh gap?

      March 17, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • Bob

      Rachel, thanks for admitting that you don't have any evidence for your idiotic claims.

      Keep that exercise going...

      March 17, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
    • End Religion

      Sad Chad, still refusing to grow up. There never was a miracle Jeebus. No evidence for any god whatsoever. Are your lips and thumb chapped from all the sucking? Your security blanket is shrinking into an ever-smaller hole. Evolution has obliterated your stance and you are TERRIFIED! Don't be scared li'l Chaddy!

      March 18, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • Saraswati

      @Chad,

      “It gives me the opportunity to show that atheists in general, have a belief system in place that is all predicated first and foremost on their belief that the God of Israel doesnt exist, a belief for which they have no evidence and have done no investigation.”

      Most of the world’s atheists don’t live in the western world so this statement is completely absurd. On top of that, several studies indicate US atheists know more about Christianity, the bible and religion in general than US Christians, so if anyone hasn’t done their homework it’s the Christians. Including yourself, given that silly statement about the god of Israel.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Chad

      @saraswati "Most of the world’s atheists don’t live in the western world so this statement is completely absurd"
      @Chad "you guessed wrong on that.. Christians face strong persecution from atheists in, for example, China.

      =====
      @saraswati " On top of that, several studies indicate US atheists know more about Christianity, the bible and religion in general than US Christians, so if anyone hasn’t done their homework it’s the Christians. Including yourself, given that silly statement about the god of Israel"
      @Chad "ouch, no, two in a row.
      no, that survey was of ALL religions, not specifically Christianity (in fact, less than half of the questions had to do with Christianity), it also lumps atheists with agnostics, so making your claim is blatantly false....

      http://www.pewforum.org/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey-who-knows-what-about-religion.aspx

      March 18, 2013 at 8:22 pm |
    • The real Tom

      My word, you're just as egotistical as Realist, Chard. You actually think people read your posts and take them seriously? Are you kidding?

      I knew you had a high opinion of yourself and your writing, but you go far beyond that.

      You, like Realist, seem to think you're providing some sort of public service for all the poor little people who just don't know as much as you imagine you do.

      March 18, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Chad is awesome. I'm all about some Chad. He does provide a public service. It's for us, of course, not the xians, but wowzer he is good!! Chad makes atheists and atheists better. Thanks, Chad!! Keep up the stupidity!!

      March 24, 2013 at 12:33 am |
  10. Mehana

    Necessary!

    March 10, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • End Religion

      Superfluous!

      March 13, 2013 at 3:11 am |
  11. One one

    Is Jesus the same god as the one in the OT ? The god that did all that killing of children and babies ?

    March 9, 2013 at 6:57 pm |

    • Of course he is, but all those children and babies went straight to heaven and how can you beat that?

      March 9, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
  12. human

    Jesus is God's son. The way the truth and life.
    There are many religion in this world, but one things is important, That we humans believe and praise God our father in heaven. We don't need to find the right path, because the right path will show by believing with all your heart and having FAITH on what you think is the truth. Pls, don't mock my faith. We all have choices in our beliefs. If you don't believe in God, and have all the questions you want to ask the world..., that even genius Scientist can't answer. Then there you go, that's where God comes in, You can ask him and he shall spoke to you. I know that some people don't believe in the presence of God, because some tells that 'to see is to believe'... Right? But, i bet all human beings believed that air exists but air can't be seen. it's the same for God, he can't be seen but his presence and works are all visible to us.

    March 8, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • End Religion

      Jesus is the Flying Spaghetti Monster's son. The way the truth and life.
      There are many religion in this world, but one things is important, That we humans believe and praise FSM our noodly father in heaven. We don't need to find the right path, because the right path will show by believing with all your heart and having FAITH on what you think is the truth. Pls, don't mock my faith. We all have choices in our beliefs. If you don't believe in FSM, and have all the questions you want to ask the world..., that even genius Scientist can't answer. Then there you go, that's where FSM comes in, You can ask him and he shall spoke to you. I know that some people don't believe in the presence of FSM, because some tells that 'to see is to believe'... Right? But, i bet all human beings believed that air exists but air can't be seen. it's the same for FSM, he can't be seen but his noodly presence and works are all visible to us.

      March 8, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
  13. dorothy

    Bart Ehrman (who is a secular agnostic) wrote: "He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees"

    March 7, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • End Religion

      There is zero credible evidence your jesus existed. Time to grow up and get on with the business of bettering mankind in the here and now since there is no heaven.

      March 7, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • Anon

      Of course Bart Ehrman says he was real, his job depends on it.
      The mythicist position makes his evemerist views look outdated.

      March 7, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
    • lonny

      he is the spokesman for the myth theorists

      March 9, 2013 at 11:30 am |
    • Rabbit

      Neither you nor Bart Ehrman have any evidence behind these claims, but I know it comforts you to believe this. But the worst part is that Jesus' existence or non-existence, while interesting to historians, is irrelevant to whether or not his religion is the one that got everything correct out of tens of thousands of religions that have existed on this lovely earth since it formed. Christians not only have to demonstrate that Jesus existed, but they also must demonstrate that the NT is an accurate representation of what he said and did and commanded and expects, and then must demonstrate that this representation is that of a god and not just a failed revolutionary (as most educated biblical scholars now believe). That's a lot to have to prove to get to "believe and kneel to this god or my loving hippie boyfriend, Jesus, will burn you forever in a lake of fire."

      I would have a lot more respect for Christians if they'd get over this need to have the OT and Jesus be historical facts when they're just not, and stop having this double standard of "faith doesn't need proof" yet "LOOK AT ALL OUR (false, erroneous, utterly wrong) PROOF!" It's hard to take their claims and demands seriously when I know they're basing it on untruths–if they're lying about Jesus' reality, what else might they be lying about?

      March 9, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
  14. Ricky Gibson

    Jesus is. . . all too often created in the image of those who crave to use Him for their own agenda.

    It's supposed to be the other way around.

    March 7, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
  15. Joe

    Myth

    March 6, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
  16. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    fake

    March 6, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
  17. Anon

    Jesus is a complete myth and Christians are delusional.

    March 6, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • question yourself

      If you understood quantum mechanics, you would realise that what appears to be, isn't. Therefore there is more chance that Christians are correct, and you, are wrong. In the Bible, Jesus states that we are dead and delusional in our current form, we are therefore required to search our consciences. Therefore, anyone who feels that this world wasn't created by a force of goodness is crazy and if you recognize it was created by a force of goodness and you feel that you are good enough to exist in it, you are even more crazy and you do not have a conscience. Anyone with a real conscience recognizes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that there is a higher authority than their own deluded selves. Therefore, in your current state, you are the one who is delusional and you are operating in rebellion towards a higher order of goodness which does not recognise you in your filth, this is why you cannot understand Christianity. It is reserved for people who are willing to see their unworthiness and make sacrifices to make the change. I know for a fact I'm stepping into eternity with Christ when I die....it seems that you do not. I feel sorry for you.

      March 9, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
  18. Imaginary Friends, Inc.

    ... the main character in Part II of "The World Is a Scary Place I Need Easy Answers for Everything and Other Tall Tales."

    March 6, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
  19. Britt

    Jesus is . . . THE DOOR; Source: John 10:9 " "I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, HE SHALL BE SAVED, and will go in and out and find pasture."

    Time is short, Iran almost has the Nuke (just like Korea & Pakistan did when they said they wouldn't)

    March 6, 2013 at 7:52 am |
  20. Mr H Christy

    Jesus is .. HUNGRY.. Mary – make me a sandwich... the LORD has spoken... ps. extra mayo plz – tnx.

    March 5, 2013 at 10:32 pm |
    • Subway Guy

      And don't forget the mustard. Also chips. My favorite is Doritos.

      March 7, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
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