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Reality TV Goliath takes up Bible miniseries challenge, hopes for better outcome
Mark Burnett and Roma Downey on the set of "The Bible," the 10-hour miniseries Burnett produced and directed.
March 2nd, 2013
11:00 PM ET

Reality TV Goliath takes up Bible miniseries challenge, hopes for better outcome

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Mark Burnett is the king of reality television. His shows and spinoffs command hours of prime-time television real estate. The seal of his production company One Three Media appears at the end of “Survivor,” “The Voice,” “The Apprentice,” “Shark Tank,” “The Job” and “Are You Smarter than a Fifth Grader?”

He will tell you each show was No. 1 in the time slot. He will tell you he will take on all comers in his bare-knuckle, ratings-driven world and beat them. He will tell you on any given day he has 150 video-editing systems churning through edits on his dossier, which spans the three major broadcast networks.

But if you suggest he may not have the chops to take on a massive scripted dramatic presentation of the Bible as a 10-hour miniseries, his eyes will tell you he wants to throttle you.

My bad.

Burnett and wife, Roma Downey, have been barnstorming the country like roving preachers on horseback trying to evangelize the West. Their gospel is spreading the news of “The Bible” - their ambitious project that aims to tell the story of the Bible in 10 installments. It begins its weeklong premiere on the History Channel Sunday night.

We met in the lobby of the Washington Hilton the night before last month’s National Prayer Breakfast. They were in town to speak to Washington journalists and show clips from their project.

Burnett and Downey’s project tackles the narrative of the Bible, a story woven through 66 books of the Old Testament and New Testament. It’s a story revered by billions as divine revelation – and one they’ve compressed into 10 hours of television. What could possibly go wrong?

A lot.

Many have taken aim at dramatizing the stories of the Bible. Few of those productions stood the test of time. They knew all that going in 3 1/2 years ago when “the light bulb went off,” as Downey puts it.

“It’s been a great fun journey right, Roma?” Burnett said to his wife of nearly six years.

“And we’re still talking to each other,” Downey said, smiling.

Both Downey and Burnett were raised Catholic, Burnett in England and Downey in Ireland. They still regularly attend Mass in Los Angeles. Growing up, both watched the classic Biblical films that the Hollywood of yesteryear churned out, like “The Ten Commandments” and “The Greatest Story Ever Told.”

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“In Ireland, we used to sit up and wait for John Wayne to say, ‘Surely that man was the Son of God,’ at the end of 'The Greatest Story Ever Told' every Easter,” Downey said, with her thick Irish brogue dipping into a delightfully terrible John Wayne impersonation.

After showing their kids "The Ten Commandments" with Charlton Heston, their three teenagers had one request for the Bible project. They told their parents, “Please don’t make it lame.”

Making it work

The project is personal for Burnett and Downey, coming from a deep spiritual desire for more people to see and experience the stories of their faith. As Europeans, now naturalized U.S. citizens, they are stunned the Bible is not taught in public schools.

“It was time for an updating. Adding fresh visual life to a sacred text,” Burnett said.

“People have great hearts and great knowledge but no experience of filmmaking and no budgets,” Burnett said of past telling of the stories on film and television.

“Or the resources,” Downey chimed in. “We wanted to create something that was gritty and authentic. We certainly didn’t want everyone to look like they stepped out of the dry cleaners.”

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Burnett and Downey may not have been high on the list of many studios as producers and directors to put a massive scripted project like this together. "All-Star Celebrity Apprentice" starring Donald Trump and Gary Busey is not exactly" Ben-Hur," and Adam Levine and Cee Lo Green spinning in chairs on the singing competition "The Voice" isn’t often (or ever) compared to the "Ten Commandments."

When I asked Burnett about this, he seemed genuinely insulted.

“Based on viewership, maybe I should be giving a few lessons to the people who are doing stories. Because we have five nights of No. 1 wins on prime-time television,” he started. “As a family we’ve made over 2,000 hours of American television and 8,000 worldwide.”

As he cooled down, ticking off a list of reasons why he and his wife were best suited for the job, he delved into how this project was made.

The production, he insisted, was a lot more like the production that goes into "Survivor" than nearly any feature film or television show in production.

"Survivor" typically includes a cast and crew of 400 people in a remote location with multiple helicopters and boats.

To film the Bible series, they set off for the southern tip of Morocco in Africa with a similar-size crew and hundreds of extras. Not to mention the chariots and horses.

“It was epic,” Downey said.

“Our experience with large-scale productions was very, very important,” Burnett said.

To help further bring the story to life, they brought in Lola, an Oscar-winning CGI team from London who created similar scenes for the film "Gladiator."

They went with an international ensemble for the cast because they didn’t want to distract the audience with recognizable celebrities.

Jesus was played by Portuguese actor Diogo Morgado. Many other actors came from the Theatre District in London.

An actor portrays an Egyptian slave driver in 'The Bible' miniseries

Portuguese actor Diogo Morgado portrays Jesus in 'The Bible' miniseries

The most recognizable face to most in North America will be Downey herself, who stepped into the role of Mary, the mother of Jesus. Mary is portrayed in the series as a young woman at the Nativity, then later in life.

“It was a privilege to play it,” Downey said. For nine seasons, Downey starred in the CBS show “Touched by an Angel,” then went on to star in a number of TV movies.

“The scripts at one point just said Young Mary, and then as the scripts progressed it said Old Mary. I said, ‘OK, we have to change that right now.’ The last thing I need to see is ‘Old Mary’ played by Roma Downey,” she said with a laugh. “So we changed it to Mother Mary.”

The budget for the 10 hours was under $22 million, Burnett said, a small price tag for a production on such a grand scale. (NBC paid $4 million per episode for the show “Smash” this season, according to an estimate by the New York Times)

“It’s not easy, even for us, to sell and get placed on prime time television, 10 hours – Genesis to Revelation,” Burnett said. “Do we wish we had 25 or 100 [hours], yes but we got 10. We got a great budget. It looks like it’s a $200 million movie. Of course it’s not. It’s just our combined experiences, our hearts and efforts that make it look like that.”

Getting it right

As they considered which parts of the Bible to shoot, they had to pare down hundreds of stories.

“The first decision was, it’s one story,” Burnett said. “It’s not a series of unconnected stories, it’s one grand narrative.”

“You could call it the meta narrative.”

The series encompasses five hours of the Old Testament and five hours of the New Testament.

They took many artistic liberties to compress the story lines while hoping to remain true to the story.

A public relations manager for the project described the liberties to me as “extra-biblical but not contra-biblical.”

For instance, in the series opener, the Book of Genesis stories of Adam and Eve and Noah unfold together. Noah and his family are already on the ark while the flood waters batter their boat. To calm his family, Noah tells them the story of creation: “In the beginning! ... ” Noah bellows as he runs around plugging leaks and comforting his family and the animals.

An actor portrays an Egyptian slave driver in 'The Bible' miniseries

An actor portrays an Egyptian slave driver in 'The Bible' miniseries

Similarly, in the story of David and Goliath, when David heads out to face the giant Philistine foe, he clutches his sling and quietly begins to recite the 23rd Psalm, “Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil.” David is considered the author of the psalm, but nowhere in the text of the David and Goliath story does it address what he said as he walked out to battle and slay Goliath.

The dialogue in much of the story is similarly constructed along the lines of the bare-bones text. When Jesus calls Peter to be his disciple, Peter asks, “What are we going to do?” Jesus answers, “We’re going to change the world.” Those lines never appear in the Gospel accounts, but Burnett and Downey insist it is consistent with the text.

“Every step of the way we’ve had scholars and theologians working with us,” Downey said.

Burnett and Downey consulted a wide range of pastors and academics, including a major evangelical leader and a Catholic cardinal.

Their advisory panel consisted of many people from varied backgrounds familiar with sharing the stories of the Bible rather than of a "who’s who" of Biblical academics.

Joel Osteen, a popular television preacher and pastor of the 30,000-member Lakewood church in Houston, was among those consulted. Osteen and Burnett are friends and were developing a television series together that went on the back burner during the production of this series. Osteen even took his family to Morocco during some of the filming.

“[Burnett] would send scripts our way and ask doctrinal or Bible questions about it, but a lot of it was a friendship and an advisory role,” Osteen said.

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Osteen said much of his work was confirming if the extrabiblical material stayed true to the Bible.

His encouragement to Burnett was to “use your creativity to fill in between the lines.”

Another consultant was Rabbi Joshua Garroway, an assistant professor at the Hebrew Union College and an expert on early Christianity and the Second Jewish commonwealth (circa 530 B.C. to 70 A.D.) Judaism. He was a paid consultant on the project.

“One of the issues that came up frequently in the comments was the goal of the production was to remain faithful, or at least as faithful as possible, to the narrative and text of the Bible, as opposed to a historical critical approach,” he said.

“The series is not meant to be a historical feature but as a representation of the biblical narrative which is at times historical and at times not,” Garroway said.

One reason Garroway thought he was brought in was because in parts of the New Testament, “there are less than generous depictions of Jews, Jewish leaders and Jewish traditions.”

One of several Jewish scholars involved, his role as a New Testament scholar was to help the production stay faithful to the text but also “diminish as much as possible scenes or statements that could be construed as overly negative toward Jews and Jewish judgment.”

While he thinks the project has an overall Christian orientation, “I think they did well.”

“I don’t think it will run into the same problems that Mel Gibson’s movie ("The Passion of the Christ") did because the producers have been somewhat conscientious about forestalling some of the things that could produce that effect in the Jewish community,” he said, referring to perceptions of anti-Semitism from the 2004 film.

Osteen thinks the project will have a lasting impact in churches. He plans to use pieces of the project in his services to help illustrate points he’ll make in his sermons.

“I know I’m biased because I’m their friend, but I think it’ll be something that will live on for generations because it’s done with excellence, not knocking anything else, it’s just this is production 50 years past where some of the other films were made,” he said.

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Burnett and Downey also think this project will be their most lasting and most viewed.

Burnett said the couple have deferred all their fees for the project. They probably don’t need the money anyway. Forbes lists Burnett as among its 100 highest-earning celebrities with an estimated income of $55 million in 2012.

While the History Channel owns the exclusive North American rights to the project, Burnett and Downey own the rights to global distribution and theatrical airings, which are in the works. There is also a book tie-in, games and apps attached to the project.

For the couple, the project was not about turning a profit, though they likely will. Instead, it was about bringing new life to the stories of their faith for a new audience.

“Will it be screened in movie theaters? Yes, for sure. "Already been approached. Arenas, churches, every way you can imagine,” Burnett said.

Burnett ticked through the shows he and Downey have put together over the years. “Over the next 25 years," he said, "more people will see this than all the others combined.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Catholic Church • Christianity • Entertainment • TV

soundoff (2,068 Responses)
  1. darin

    Oh cool more biblical bs, thank god.

    March 4, 2013 at 2:45 am |
  2. Hello

    watched some of that Bible flick... hummm it was very strongly edited from what is in the bible.. left out the end of the S&G story where Lot's daughters had s3x with papa and got pregnant...from a very drunk daddy... Typical cherry picking from the myth master salesmen.

    March 4, 2013 at 1:57 am |
  3. Michelle G

    Just saw the first two episodes at Saddleback Church! They did such a great job putting this movie together! It completely left me speechless! So excited for the next two episodes!

    March 4, 2013 at 1:22 am |
  4. Ken

    This was nowhere near as good as Clash of the T.itans. Now that was a good film adaptation of ancient myth!

    March 4, 2013 at 12:53 am |
    • blaqb0x

      LOL

      March 4, 2013 at 2:15 am |
  5. Mark

    Just saw the first in the series. I would never have imagined that anyone could make the stories of the Bible seem more lame than they are by reading them, but I was wrong.

    March 4, 2013 at 12:47 am |
  6. DaveTheKnave

    QUOTE: "The fool hath said in his heart 'There is no God'".

    March 4, 2013 at 12:42 am |
    • Patty

      Quoting the bible "The fool hath said in his heart 'There is no God" It's like Toyota saying "if you don't buy a Toyota, you're an idiot." Not sure what you're point is here. 🙂

      March 4, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • Ken

      DaveTheKnave

      Read Matthew 5:22. Jesus doesn't like people who call others "fool". Just one of the numerous places where the Bible contradicts itself.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:55 am |
    • DaveTheKnave

      The Bible tells us to "search the Scriptures", not casually cherrypick. Your present life doesn't at all depend on it. Your ETERNAL life does. Eternal is presently "under construction" for souls, not material issues. There will be a new heaven and earth. No more tears. The former things will pass away. But each will choose their final destination, with God or forever without Him. Nonetheless, "Every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord". Each of you, every single one.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:05 am |
    • DaveTheKnave

      Ken,
      Man should not call anyone a fool. The quote was from Ecclesiastes. Jesus knows the innermost workings of every heart, and is thus, as your Maker, qualified.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:18 am |
    • sam stone

      how much greater the fool who purports to speak for god?

      March 4, 2013 at 5:38 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      DaveTheKnave: Doesn't matter what the scriptures say, they have no pertinence in the real world.

      March 4, 2013 at 5:45 am |
    • PaulB

      DaveTheKnave
      The Bible is a book and God is a character in that book. Surely you know that authors can put whatever words they wish into the mouths of their characters?

      March 4, 2013 at 8:16 am |
  7. LouAZ

    Has Cecil B. Demille heard about this ?9
    God (?), I hate reruns . . .

    March 4, 2013 at 12:18 am |
    • john black

      just saw the first 2 hour episode. the sad truth is this is a bland boring series. they would have done better if they picked a realistic story line to follow.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:29 am |
    • Ken

      john
      Yup, I've seen kindergarten Nativity plays better produced than this.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • AliceP

      Demille's memory isn't in any danger here. Awful!

      March 4, 2013 at 12:58 am |
  8. mason

    Downey "gritty and authentic"...authentic !!!!????? LMAOROTF

    March 3, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
    • Stella

      She is beautiful and spiritual...FINALLY someone came along to remind us all that the greatest SUPER STAR of all times is JESUS CHRISTS, the one mankind gave the CROSS instead of an OSCAR...FINALLY, it's time in AMERICA to bring God into our lives since the bitterness of Atheism has become unbearable, even for soul-less atheists. I believe that people who've been hurt and have had EXPECTATIONS of God are the ones who don't believe in a higher power greater than man...Think about it...

      March 3, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Stella, what about people who've been hurt by right-wing zealots?

      March 4, 2013 at 12:19 am |
    • sam stone

      stella: no one is stopping you from having jesus in your life. we do not need or want him in our secular laws

      March 4, 2013 at 12:21 am |
    • AliceP

      Stella

      Actually, Jesus Christ Superstar IS a better movie than this. Hell, the Family Guy Nativity show was more inspirational than this.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:01 am |
    • PaulB

      Just watched the first show. Funny how it skipped over the part where Lot offers his daughters to the mob. Looked more like a low-budget Kung Fu movie there for a while. Weird!

      March 4, 2013 at 1:12 am |
  9. Nick

    Angry athiests are attracted to articles about Christianity like flies are to dog crap.

    March 3, 2013 at 11:26 pm |
    • mason

      wrong...more like M.D.'s to deadly bacteria

      March 3, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
    • Ralphco

      I saw it – thought it was really good. Yeah, people seem so angry at you these days if you have faith. I often wonder why they care so much.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:23 am |
    • sam stone

      good analogy, nick.....equating religion (in this case, christianity) to dog crap

      March 4, 2013 at 12:24 am |
    • sam stone

      ralphco: i really do not mind if people have faith. it annoys me that people use that faith to deny others their civil rights

      March 4, 2013 at 12:26 am |
    • PaulB

      Wouldn't this be at least partially an article about Judaism too? All OT stuff in tonight's show. Why do some Christians insist that it's all about them? Inflated egos.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:04 am |
    • utalkintome

      how are we angry?....just because we are tired of having jesus shoved in our faces 24 hours a day and now we are saying something about it.....provide any evidence for your deity, then we can have a rational discussion...till then, your opinion is invalid

      March 4, 2013 at 3:53 am |
  10. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    Ten hours???? Give us a break !!!

    Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    March 3, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
    • JimmySD

      I hope this guy includes the story about who made god.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      That would get ratings, wouldn't it?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:29 pm |
    • No-name

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.
      +++++++++++++++++++++++
      -proof there was no Abraham?
      +++++++++++++++++++++++
      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.
      +++++++++++++++++++++++
      -proof there was no Moses?
      +++++++++++++++++++++++
      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.
      +++++++++++++++++++++++
      -Are you in your right mind? you can't disprove something metaphysical.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:25 am |
    • Reality

      As requested: Part 1:

      origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482 NY Times review and important enough to reiterate.

      New Torah For Modern Minds

      “Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. (prob•a•bly
      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell).

      The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions - the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years - have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity - until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine doc-ument.

      The notion that the Bible is not literally true "is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis," observed David Wolpe, a rabbi at Sinai Temple in Los Angeles and a contributor to "Etz Hayim." But some congregants, he said, "may not like the stark airing of it." Last Passover, in a sermon to 2,200 congregants at his synagogue, Rabbi Wolpe frankly said that "virtually every modern archaeologist" agrees "that the way the Bible describes the Exodus is not the way that it happened, if it happened at all." The rabbi offered what he called a "LITANY OF DISILLUSION”' about the narrative, including contradictions, improbabilities, chronological lapses and the absence of corroborating evidence. In fact, he said, archaeologists digging in the Sinai have "found no trace of the tribes of Israel - not one shard of pottery."

      March 4, 2013 at 6:39 am |
    • Reality

      Part 2:

      AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD

      Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

      "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

      Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

      Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

      Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)(As do Biden and Ryan)

      The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

      Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

      Some added references to "tink-erbells".

      newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

      "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
      Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

      "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

      And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

      "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

      "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

      "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

      For added information see the review at:

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

      March 4, 2013 at 6:41 am |
  11. Stealth Bomber

    Never ending arguments between religion and Atheism. SMH -_-

    March 3, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
    • utalkintome

      there is no arguement....you cannot argue with something that is made up

      March 4, 2013 at 3:55 am |
  12. cacique22

    The hypocrisy is unbelievable: making money off the lowest and common of denominators and now preaching. Wow!!! The wonders never...

    March 3, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
  13. Austin

    I would vote in ways I feel are Godly choices. There is nothing wrong with any of the pin up comments made by these people. Gods judgments bring about blessings. Living outside his will is a curse. Someone who is saved is not a secular human.

    Heathen is a strong word, However we need Godly leaders and examples. If God offends you, you are the problem, not God.

    March 3, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      What does a Godly choice feel like, Austin? How do you know when you are acting within God's will?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So you think it's perfectly okay to base US laws on the Bible? That gays are disgusting? Do you think Gingrich is a "Godly leader"?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
    • Austin

      Wrong blog q

      March 3, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Austin, I and others would listen to you if you could provide a wee bit of proof for your god, otherwise I have to consider you to be mentally ill or a liar. What's it gonna be?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
    • Austin

      Ya spiritual revelation has provided me with trust for his word. Don't like Gingrich at all. Base it all on His word, no sinner disgusts me. I don't take political aims gays or abortion, but I would vote according to biblical standard and back laws that would be biblically based. To the glory of Gods inspired word.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
    • Austin

      Praying about decisions and filtering through Gods word is a righteous path, and hopefully peoples character would not sell out like it does.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:59 pm |
    • Frank Bonora

      God does not offend me Austin BC I don't believe that your god exists. If you were born in Afganistan you would have been praying to Allah. If you were born in China you would have believed Budda was your saviour. Why is your god the true god?
      There is no shred of evidence that any deity exists. Do you think that I or anyone deserves to be tortured after they die because they didn't accept your god as their savior?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • ArthurP

      "Gods judgments bring about blessings."

      Tell that to all the infants and children that died honorable deaths drowning in the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gamora and had their bloated bodies left to rot in the open.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
    • Damocles

      So we would need a what? A prayer consensus before laws are passed? Oh yeah, can't wait for that. I am confident that a consensus could be reached in say.... 1000 years? Besides, what use are laws if everything happens according to some deity's whim? If you were meant to be murdered and the murderer was meant to murder you, it's all part of the plan, right? Murderers, robbers, ra-pists and people that don't wash their hands after using the bathroom should be held in the highest regard as agents of the deity.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
    • Austin

      Is there not also a comment in the ten commandments about the generational effect of parent who does not honor God?

      You are justified. Mohammud was a Christian, and his idolatrous followers became like the crusaders. Everyone has heard of sin. People reject the messiah, that didn't stop me from coming to faith and experiencing spiritual life and the living word. Have you heard the good news gospel?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
    • mason

      I'm quite proud to be a blaspheming heathen freethinking godless secular humanist Atheist

      March 3, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • Austin

      I understand the value of new testament guidelines and the blessings of a humble adherence to this, and I am all for new testament characterization of civil life.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Austin, who are you talking to?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
    • Damocles

      I think he's talking to the voices in his head.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
    • Austin

      Domacles. , where is murder in the new testament?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
    • Damocles

      @Aostun (hey look I can use the wrong vowels as well! Yay me!)

      Come on now, think! *raps a knuckle against that empty gourd sprouting out of your shoulders*

      If a deity is responsible for every action, then every death, indignity, abuse, robbery is all according to some grand plan. I mean, it's all there in the bible right? Murder the world, blow up a couple of cities, torture some poor schmuck on a bet, take all the virgins after killing their defenders. It's all good as long as you can justify that either a) a deity did it or b) you were under orders from a deity to do it.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:42 pm |
    • Austin

      Damocles, I know you are smart, Ive read some of you other posts. But the way you portray the new testament, by the old testament, and by pointing to crusaders and Adolfo hitler, is an evasive way of slandering Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and victory over sin.

      The new testament is a battle against sin. Not a battle against people. god is love and he Has justified everyone in a spiritual kingdom. Jesus clearly was not a military ruler, until he returns.

      We follow righteousness and love.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
    • ArthurP

      Austin : Domacles. , where is murder in the new testament?

      New Testament killings by God

      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_people#New_Testament_killings_by_God

      March 4, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Austin, why do you consistently refer to Hitler as "Adolfo"?

      Your posts are starting to appear to be stream-of-consciousness.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • Austin

      My spell checker sucks, and so does my I pad, whenever it refreshes the screen jumps all over and I can't see what I type

      March 4, 2013 at 12:36 am |
    • Science

      Hey Austin you still stuck in the SOUP ? .

      No GOD REQUIRED or NEEDED.

      How Did Early Primordial Cells Evolve?

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130228124138.htm

      Moving forward austin have your genome mapped you might learn something.

      Peace

      March 4, 2013 at 6:12 am |
  14. Tim Gallagher

    Just watched first show, Awsome!!!!! I feel we live in a modern Sodom, we need all the guidance from above (The Lord), and for someone to produce a mini series such as this, it is inspirational truly, we need God more than ever in these days we live. I am sure many people will get their "feathers ruffled" by this series, but when you go "against the grain", its never smooth, but in actuality that is how are our country was founded, on religious freedom. So next time you post a comment against religion, remember the country you sit in, was founded on religion and you wouldn't be here if it was for that. Remember If God before us, then who can be against us!

    March 3, 2013 at 10:44 pm |
    • ArthurP

      “Why do Americans want to be associated with an admitted genocidal mass murdering terrorist:

      "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30)

      (terrorism – killing those with no political power to force political change by those with political power)

      But that is not even the best part which is that God rigged it so that the Pharaoh would not free Mose's people in the first place.

      “And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had spoken unto Moses.” – Exidus 9:12

      March 3, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
    • Saving the earth,one pithy comment at a time

      Although I only watched a few minutes of this show,I have to admit,at least it will give christians a little refresher in their story book.Saves actually having to read the thing-right?I imagine they'll skip the ugly bits,so as not to offend.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
    • Z

      Sorry Tim, but this mini-series jumps leaps & bounds. And its not accurate accordingly to scriptures and history. I thought the TNT series was a lot better. But it can open up for discussion.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:22 pm |
    • john black

      lets get real for a minute. if the next 8 hours of this series is bad as the first 2 then thoes of us who believe in the bible are in trouble.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:36 am |
    • utalkintome

      i see someone is on the bath salts again!

      March 4, 2013 at 3:59 am |
  15. Mary

    Just saw first in the mini series. Awesome! Can't wait to see the next. But when? No where do I see when the next show is. Did not say at the end of the first either. In any case totally loved watching the first! Great job.

    March 3, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
    • C

      Sunday nights 8 – 10pm on the history channel, now through Easter

      March 4, 2013 at 12:41 am |
  16. The Boston Liberal

    The Evangelical couple collaborated with Light Workers Media, a production company that produces religious video and works with the anti-gay/abortion Focus on the Family. In September, 2013 the duo will be keynote speakers at the World Evangelical Alliance conference.

    March 3, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
  17. Marcus_Ulriyamu

    I just got finished watching the first installment in the series needless to say that it was awesome and it isn't lame I loved it keep up the good work.

    March 3, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
  18. was blind but now I see

    uhhhhhhhhhhhhh,,,,,,,,,,,

    How about forcing us to pay for abortions??????????

    March 3, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
  19. Chad

    The project is personal for Burnett and Downey, coming from a deep spiritual desire for more people to see and experience the stories of their faith. As Europeans, now naturalized U.S. citizens, they are stunned the Bible is not taught in public schools

    =>I think it's wonderful, we all can benefit from additional exposure to the truths of the bible.

    Most atheists would be quite surprised to find out what actually is in the bible.. Same as I used to be..

    March 3, 2013 at 10:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I'll join you on that, Chad, and endorse teaching on the Bible and other works important to the world's religions. It should be taught after a proper foundation is laid of philosophy, logic, and historical criticism. In general, children should learn criticism and rational thought as tools to fight off assaults on reason, of which religion is probably the most important example.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      The Babble should be examined after the above courses suggested by TTTPS have been completed. If anyone examines The Babble and determines it is other than fiction, they should receive an F in the courses.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Sorry, wrong TT!

      March 3, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      And until conclusive, independent, verifiable, objective and factual evidence for some god and that The Babble is that god's word is provided, the content of The Babble is irrelevant.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
    • Chad

      I suspect as an atheist, you'll want to keep your kids away from inquiry...

      They might ask questions like:
      – How was the universe created?
      – How was life on earth created?
      – Why does the universe obey laws?
      – if energy cant be created naturally, why does it exist?
      – Why dont you feel that I have free will?
      – Why was Jesus crucified?
      – Why was His tomb found empty?
      – Why did so many people report meeting a resurrected Jesus?
      – Why has no detail of the bible ever been proven wrong?
      – Why are you so convinced that the God of Israel isnt real? You dont seem to know anything about Him..?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:32 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      And when the correct answer to the question is "we don't know," we should definitely give that correct answer instead of feeding kids bullsh!t fairy tales about magic spells and completely unproven myths.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, it's the confused Chad/Rachel. Does that work sorta like multiple personality disorder?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Children do ask such questions, Chad. Do you always deflect them by saying that God did it?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:35 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      And no, Chad, I suspect that most atheists, like me, RELISH those inquires. Your perspective is biased so you don't realize how ridiculous is the "evidence" you claim supports your a priori decisions about belief.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Chad, you gave th expected response. . . Asked, answered and destroyed many, many times. That you continue to post th same bullsh!t is evidence that you cannot read and comprehend (i.e. learn), and are very likely to be mentally ill, or a poe.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why would anyone be interested in your views on teaching children when you lie about your own screen name?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
    • Chad

      Are you going to react so emotionally and irrationality when kids ask you those questions?

      Why not tell them the truth?
      – Scientists acknowledge the universe is fine tuned
      – Scientists, by definition, will never explain why the laws of the universe exist, because they are reliant on the fact that it does for all of their work.
      – Scientists cant explain why energy exists, it cant be created or destroyed naturally..
      – Scientists know an external causal agent is responsible for the creation of our universe
      – Historians simply can not explain the rise of the belief in the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
      – Scientists simply can not explain how life on earth was created, or how it has progressed to its current level of complexity. The fossil record shows something utterly impossible happening time after time..

      and, no one can explain why the God of Israel has claimed to be responsible for exactly those things that can not be explained naturally.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Chad has such a huge ego that he thinks when he's impressed with some stupid and shoddy evidence the nonsequitur conclusion 14 miles in outer space somehow becomes fact for everyone.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      I do tell the truth, Chad. The fact that you lie, and call it "true" does not mean that your lies are truth. For example, you've been corrected countless times on the "fine-tuning" example and yet you continue to lie. You lie because it's what you are, not because you do it a lot.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Some of those things would qualify as imperfect representations of the truth, Chad. Those are sometimes called lies. Children deserve better answers.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
    • Chad

      You dont believe in fine tuning @moby?

      why?, the leading minds in science do..

      Fine Tuning of the universe
      In the past 30 or 40 years, scientists have been astonished to find that the initial conditions of our universe were fine-tuned for the existence of building blocks of life. Constants such as gravitational constant have been found, the variation of which to even the smallest degree, would have rendered the universe utterly incapable of supporting life.

      "There is now broad agreement among physicists and cosmologists that the Universe is in several respects ‘fine-tuned' for life". However, he continues, "the conclusion is not so much that the Universe is fine-tuned for life; rather it is fine-tuned for the building blocks and environments that life requires." - Paul Davies

      "The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the mas ses of the proton and the electron. ... The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life - Stephen Hawking

      : "If you change a little bit the laws of nature, or you change a little bit the constants of nature - like the charge on the electron - then the way the universe develops is so changed, it is very likely that intelligent life would not have been able to develop." Dr. Dennis Scania, Cambridge University Observatories

      "If we nudge one of these constants just a few percent in one direction, stars burn out within a million years of their formation, and there is no time for evolution. If we nudge it a few percent in the other direction, then no elements heavier than helium form. No carbon, no life. Not even any chemistry. No complexity at all." - Dr. David D. Deutsch, Insti tute of Mathematics, Oxford University:

      "The really amazing thing is not that life on Earth is balanced on a knife-edge, but that the entire universe is balanced on a knife-edge, and would be total chaos if any of the natural 'constants' were off even slightly. You see," Davies adds, "even if you dismiss man as a chance happening, the fact remains that the universe seems unreasonably suited to the existence of life - almost contrived - you might say a 'put-up job.'" - Dr. Paul Davies, Adelaide University:

      "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintendent has monkeyed with the physics, as well as chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. I do not believe that any physicist who examined the evidence could fail to draw the inference that the laws of nuclear physics have been deliberately designed with regard to the consequences they produce within stars - Sir Fred Hoyle

      "how surprising it is that the laws of nature and the initial conditions of the universe should allow for the existence of beings who could observe it. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quanti ties had slightly different values." - Dr. Gerald Schroeder, former professor of physics at M.I.T.

      beryllium isotope having the minuscule half life of 0.0000000000000001 seconds must find and absorb a helium nucleus in that split of time before decaying. This occurs only because of a totally unexpected, exquisitely precise, energy match between the two nuclei. If this did not occur there would be none of the heavier elements. No carbon, no nitrogen, no life. Our universe would be composed of hydrogen and helium. - Professor Steven Weinberg

      The precision is as if one could throw a dart across the entire universe and hit a bullseye one millimeter in diameter on the other side." - Michael Turner, astrophysicist University of Chicago

      the likelihood of the universe having usable energy (low entropy) at the creation is even more astounding, namely an accuracy of one part out of ten to the power of ten to the power of 123. This is an extraordinary figure. One could not possibly even write the number down in full, in our ordinary denary (power of ten) notation: it would be one followed by ten to the power of 123 successive zeros!" That is a million billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion zeros. Penrose continues, "Even if we were to write a zero on each separate proton and on each separate neutron in the entire universe - and we could throw in all the other particles as well for good measure - we should fall far short of writing down the figure needed. The precision needed to set the universe on its course is to be in no way inferior to all that extraordinary precision that we have already become accustomed to in the superb dynamical equations (Newton's, Maxwell's, Einstein's) which govern the behavior of things from moment to moment." - Roger Penrose University of Oxford

      March 3, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
    • Chad

      Some of those things would qualify as imperfect representations of the truth, Chad. Those are sometimes called lies.

      really?

      which ones?

      just kidding, I know that providing examples to back up statements "just isnt your thing" 🙂

      March 3, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Just like telling the truth isn't yours, Chadrachel.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Chad, you're a liar and I have no interest in arguing with liars like you. The universe APPEARS "fine tuned" from our perspective, but since there's no proof that a universe can exist in any other state (no other universes to study) then we have no idea if the parameters could be different or not. Also, there's not one single shred of evidence for any "tuner" anywhere--certainly not one who cares about humans. You do nothing but non sequitur for what you will never honestly evaluate because you have faith in your a priori opinion. It suits you. Keep doing it.

      But do continue in your stupid lies. You're doing great for our side.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Dishonesty like this:

      "Scientists acknowledge the universe is fine tuned." Would it be your hope, Chad, that children would infer that all scientists acknowledge fine-tuning? Or that the "best" scientists do? Or that scientists conclude the same things you do when they speculate on fine-tuning?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Why not tell them the truth?"

      You go first.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Chad/Rachel really has no shame. I've never seen anyone with fewer scruples and less honesty. It's especially incongruous for someone who claims to love God.

      Oh, wait, Chad/Rachel's never said he/she does love God, has he/she?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • Chad

      @moby "but since there's no proof that a universe can exist in any other state (no other universes to study) then we have no idea if the parameters could be different or not"

      =>that is very interesting..
      so, I guess you disagree with all the scientists in the previous post?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      TTTPS-

      Chad loves or is loved by God? I asked Rachel that same question. No answer.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Chad's intimacy and fondness of his own disgusting, lying behavior is abhorrent to me-–and I think most people would agree. I would really like to see Chad's work become much more well known than it is. If Chad is a "christian" then I would never, ever, ever want to even flirt with anything that might make me like him in the tiniest way. I could never disdain honest inquiry and critical evaluation as much as he does.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
    • End Religion

      Chad you are one clusterfuck of a confused and dishonest human.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
    • Damocles

      Hmmm... so energy can't be created naturally. So some enti-ty named Zeus really is hurling down bolts of lightning? As for the laws governing the universe, these are merely our human judgement on how things work. Did the universe not function before we came up with these laws? Of course it did. Are these laws being redefined as our understanding becomes 'better?' Yep. If the universe is fine tuned for life, should we not find evidence of it appearing at roughly the same rate as exists on earth? Most likely.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      " I guess you disagree with all the scientists in the previous post?"

      I'd be happy to, Chad. As Moby points out, there are no examples of existing Universes that have different characteristics from this one. I'd add that a complete theory of everything is needed to show that physical constants could be other than they are.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      TTTOO, I'm not surprised. Chad/Rachel seems to really love only one thing: lying and then snarking at those who see through him.

      Not much of a spokesperson for any sort of loving God.

      It makes me wonder if he's the same way with his kids. They're just a means of stroking his own ego.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      So, science has evidence of the fine-tuner who did this fine tuning, Chad? Is there any evidence of this fine-tuning? Is there evidence that fine-tuning can even occur? Or are you quote mining from scientists who are atheists and who would NEVER appreciate their words being twisted the way you do for your lying purposes?

      Chad, you know full well that you are misrepresenting those scientists, and yet you lie because you'd rather lie for your precious, apriori belief than consider the actual facts.

      Fvck, I hate liars. You disgust me.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
    • End Religion

      Science has made great discoveries in the past 100 years confirming the reality of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as creator.

      Historical evidence
      – no historical detail in the The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has ever been proved to be incorrect
      – Historicity of the Spaghedeity
      – Historicity of the empty colander
      – Origin of the disciples belief that they had met a boiled Flying Spaghetti Monster, a belief they held so strongly that they were willing to go to their deaths proclaiming the truth.

      Fossil Record
      From the late 1800's thru 1972 the notion of "Darwinian gradualism" held the world captive. The notion that purely random mutation preserved in the population by natural selection would produce a gradual change, which over time would create the complexity of life we now observe (phyletic gradualism).

      Then, in 1972 the publication of "Punctuated equilibria: an alternative to phyletic gradualism" by Stephen Gould (atheist) finally forced the scientific world to accept the reality that the fossil record does not show the gradual change over time that Darwin proposed.

      Instead, what the community was forced to acknowledge, is that the fossil record reflects stasis and rapid change. This supports the theistic evolutionist claim that FSM used natural processes to develop life on this earth, as pure chance can never explain the grand paroxysm of necessarily interrelated mutations that are required to occur to accomplish this rapid change.

      Origins of the universe
      For most of scientific history, the universe was thought to have always existed, directly refuting the theistic claim that the universe had a beginning, and a creator.

      Then, a series of discoveries resulted in a complete transformation of thought, we now know that our universe has not always existed, rather it had a beginning, confirming the theistic claim:
      – 1929: Edwin Hubble discovers red shift (the stars and planets are all moving away from each other. The universe is expanding in all directions)
      – 1965: discovery of microwave cosmic background radiation (the echo's of the big bang)
      – 1998, two independent research groups studying distant supernovae were astonished to discover, against all expectations, that the current expansion of the universe is accelerating (Reiss 1998, Perlmutter 1999).
      – 2003: Borde, Guth, and Vilenkin's Past-Finite Universe proves our universe had a beginning

      Fine Tuning of the universe
      In the past 30 or 40 years, scientists have been astonished to find that the initial conditions of our universe were fine-tuned for the existence of building blocks of life. Constants such as gravitational constant have been found, the variation of which to even the smallest degree, would have rendered the universe utterly incapable of supporting life.

      "There is now broad agreement among physicists and cosmologists that the Universe is in several respects ‘fine-tuned' for life". However, he continues, "the conclusion is not so much that the Universe is fine-tuned for life; rather it is fine-tuned for the building blocks and environments that life requires." – Paul Davies

      "The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron. ... The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life – Stephen Hawking

      Now, neither Davies or Hawking is a believer in FSM. They both believe in fine tuning, they just posit natural reasons for it. The only problem with my fine tuning argument is...
      http://youtu.be/rt-UIfkcgPY

      March 3, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It would seem the most effective antidote to Chad/Rachel would be to ignore him completely. Simply don't respond to anything he posts.

      It would be fun to deprive him of his most beloved pleasure.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      "...values of these numbers SEEM TO HAVE BEEN very finely adjusted... – Stephen Hawking (obvious)

      : "If YOU Change" Dr. Dennis Scania, Cambridge University Observatories (as if any "you" can change such things)

      "If we nudge..." – Dr. David D. Deutsch, Insti tute of Mathematics, Oxford University: (as if "we" could "nudge" something that we don't even know can or can't be nudged

      "... universe SEEMS unreasonably suited to the existence of life" – Dr. Paul Davies, Adelaide University: (seems)

      ".. facts SUGGESTS"– Sir Fred Hoyle (suggests)

      And the rest of the quotes just state facts about the precision of various values in physics. There's no law. There's no evidence. There's no theory for how it might have happened. Scientists are just remarking that the universe "seems" a certain way. That's it.

      And Chad has been corrected so many times that his continuance in this stupidity amounts to lying. Chad is a liar.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
    • Chad

      @Moby "science has evidence of the fine-tuner who did this fine tuning?
      @Chad "I said that? Where? You might be thinking of someone else..?

      @Moby " Is there any evidence of this fine-tuning?"
      @Chad "ample, see above list..

      @moby "Is there evidence that fine-tuning can even occur?
      @Chad "yes, our universe!

      @moby "Or are you quote mining from scientists"
      @Chad "I am using quotes from scientists that believe that the universe is fine tuned, to say the universe is fine tuned..
      how exactly is that quote mining?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Omitting the conclusions his sources reach is characteristic of Chad. I've read a lot on Steven Weinberg and Roger Penrose as well. Neither have much use for gods.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:22 pm |
    • Chad

      so, you feel that if a particular scientist doesnt believe in the God of Israel, a theist isnt allowed to reference their work to make an argument for the theistic position?

      odd...

      so, would the theist be allowed the same bias? Is the atheist disallowed from citing any work from a believing scientist?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I recall coming out on fine-tuning myself, Chad. Euclidean space is fine-tuned. Pi is precisely what it needs to be to describe the relationship between the radius and circumference of a circle.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Chad: "so, you feel that if a particular scientist doesnt believe in the God of Israel, a theist isnt allowed to reference their work to make an argument for the theistic position?"

      You should reference the conclusions that your sources reach, or in some other way prevent the inference that your sources agree with you in your conclusions if in fact they do not.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • Chad

      The conclusion is that the universe is fine tuned 🙂

      March 3, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
    • Chad

      as well,
      do you point out that Darwin was a deist when you cite his work? Do you point out that he disagrees with your atheist conclusions?

      no? why not?

      are we talking about one set of rules for theists and another for atheists?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      "Darwin was a deist when you cite his work? Do you point out that he disagrees with your atheist conclusions?"

      In my work I don't often find reason to reference Darwin, but his scientific conclusions are referenced, sometimes in contrast with what I and others conclude. If I were to write as an atheist about atheism I wouldn't reference Darwin in such a way that people might conclude that his ideas about God were like mine.

      Different standards for theists? I do hold people to different standards when they presuppose an unwarranted condition on conclusions they might reach from any and all evidence. I've asked you before, however you arrive at your belief in the reality of your God of Israel, is the method such that if the God of Israel were not real, it would lead you to believe that the God of Israel is not real?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Chad, which scientists categorically states, no ifs, ands, ors, buts, seems, suggests, etc. that the universe was fine tuned by some being?

      March 4, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • Science

      Hey Chad you still stuck in the SOUP ? .

      No GOD OF ISRAEL REQUIRED or NEEDED

      How Did Early Primordial Cells Evolve?

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130228124138.htm

      Moving forward Chad have your genome mapped you might learn something.

      Peace

      March 4, 2013 at 4:42 am |
    • Science

      Chad

      No God of sh-it required !

      March 4, 2013 at 4:54 am |
    • PaulB

      Chad
      "The conclusion is that the universe is fine tuned"

      And why would you suspect that this could not have happened naturally, if that is what you are implying?

      March 4, 2013 at 8:11 am |
    • Chad

      I do hold people to different standards when they presuppose an unwarranted condition on conclusions they might reach from any and all evidence

      =>and.. you define "unwarranted" and what the others "presuppositions" are in your opinion?

      two standards 🙂

      ==========
      "I've asked you before, however you arrive at your belief in the reality of your God of Israel, is the method such that if the God of Israel were not real, it would lead you to believe that the God of Israel is not real?"
      =>experiential and through study
      yes, if the God of Israel were not real, I never would have been brought to that conclusion.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Examples should be clear to you, Chad:

      You presuppose the existence of the God of Israel. Conditions you impose on conclusions you might reach regardless of evidence: the God of Israel is involved in, takes real and significant part in, everything you believe it claims to take part in. So you would require a place for the God of Israel in any conclusion you might reach on the origin of the Universe, for example.

      March 4, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • Chad

      "So you would require a place for the God of Israel in any conclusion you might reach on the origin of the Universe, for example."

      =>you forget, I used to not be a believer.. evidence convinced me.

      you on the other hand, leave no room anywhere for the God of Israel.. You would require that God NOT be part of any conclusion you draw...

      March 4, 2013 at 8:31 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      I see Chad is still trying to lie his way into being right about something.

      March 4, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
  20. Stealth Bomber

    Atheism= attack Christianity.

    March 3, 2013 at 10:05 pm |
    • ArthurP

      Atheism = Attack on Christianity trying to impose its views on public education and public government.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
    • Stealth Bomber

      @ArthurP Just as Atheists do the same,right?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:12 pm |
    • Religion is

      Superstition!

      Give us an example, Bomber.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
    • was blind but now I see

      uhhhhhhhhhhhhh,,,,,,,,,,,

      How about forcing us to pay for abortions??????????

      March 3, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
    • lol??

      Give an example of a thing the Diverse Beast is not in charge of, courtesy of the pwogressives.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      All the atheists I know treat all religions exactly the same – they are all crap, and there is nothing special about christianity, except in the mentally ill delusional minds of christians.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
    • Stealth Bomber

      Attempting to remove " In God we trust" from our currency.
      Removing " Under God" from our pledge of Allegiance.
      Removing Ground Zero I beam cross.
      Prohibit praying in schools.
      Taxing religion.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're a moron, Stealth Stooge. No one has removed prayer from schools. "Under God" wasn't in the Pledge originally. Neither was "In God We Trust."

      March 3, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "How about forcing us to pay for abortions??????????"

      That isn't happening, sh!t for brains. Get a clue.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
    • Stealth Bomber

      Tom, you BIGOT, I speak of Atheist views in America. They want to impose them just as Christianity and any other religion does.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, you fvcktard, they don't.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      And anything that was done was sanctioned by the Supreme Court, staffed 100% by believers and dominated by catholics and jews – don't blame atheists, blame the SC!

      March 3, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Stealth Stooge, you are clueless. Learn something. Pick up a book. You're ignorant, but you can correct that.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • Stealth Bomber

      Tom, Michael Newdow is the Atheist that filled a lawsuit against the US Government. He wanted to remove "under God" form the pledge of allegiance, is that not an Atheist view?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • Stealth Bomber

      Tom, how about you educate yourself first on US history:)

      March 3, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You first, dimwit. The phrase "under God" wasn't in the pledge originally. Apparently, this comes as a big shock to you, Stooge. "In God We Trust" wasn't on currency either. You seem to be ignorant of that as well.

      So what if Michael Newdow sued to get "under God" removed? That's his right as a US citizen. If your god is so weak and puny that it needs to have its name uttered in a pledge to a flag, why worship it? If a law can keep your god out of schools, how omnipotent is he, anyway?

      March 3, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      It doesn't matter what the beliefs of whoever filed a lawsuit are. it only matters what the court decides. and the Supreme Court is 100% believers! They're the ones that believes should blame, not atheists.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Don't you get it, Stooge? The courts decide these matters, not atheists. If someone brings a suit concerning a matter of separation of church and state, that's perfectly within his rights. The court rules on the case based on law. This isn't a theocracy and your belief doesn't have any more weight than mine.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Crossposted with HAA.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
    • Stealth Bomber

      Did I ever say it originally was? Don't put words in my mouth, bigot.

      March 3, 2013 at 10:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I wouldn't get near your mouth, you raving hyena. You probably have rabies.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
    • Religion is

      Superstition!

      Bomber reminds me of an adolescent trying to be an adult. Do you think he'll ever get t?

      March 3, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
    • Religion is

      Superstition!

      Add "here" to last word.

      March 3, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • john black

      This was an article about a mini-series and the first two hours sucked. i dont care if you believe in the bible or not this was a shoddy show and will do the bible a disservice

      March 4, 2013 at 12:40 am |
    • lol??

      Ye ol' pale horse ain't what she used to be, ain't what she used to be, ain't what she used to be,

      March 4, 2013 at 4:14 am |
    • midwest rail

      Ah, it's always nice to come home to the comedic stylings of the delusional lol?? . Well done, C.L.

      March 4, 2013 at 4:23 am |
    • Saraswati

      @blind

      "How about forcing us to pay for abortions??????????"

      I pay for police coverage for churches that don't pay taxes and for other services like fire department coverage and roads that they get for free. These same churches often preach hatred while working to disolve my marriage. I see no reason why they *shouldn't* pay for abortions. We don't get to pay only for what we believe in. Pacifists pay for wars and vegans pay for research using animals. Get over it.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
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