First on CNN: Atheists ratchet up rhetoric, use billboards to attack Republican politicians
March 3rd, 2013
05:00 AM ET

First on CNN: Atheists ratchet up rhetoric, use billboards to attack Republican politicians

By Dan Merica, CNN
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Washington (CNN) – An atheist organization known for being provocative plans to take that reputation to the next level this week by putting up seven billboards that call out prominent politicians and religious leaders.

American Atheists plans to target three Republican politicians: former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, former House Speak Newt Gingrich and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum.

The seven signs will go up around Dallas and Austin, Texas.

In one billboard, a picture of Palin is featured on the left, with a quote attributed to her. "We should create law based on the God of the Bible," the quote reads. Underneath the graphic is a tag line "GO GODLESS INSTEAD."

The billboard, however, misquotes Palin. In an interview with Fox News’ Bill O'Reilly, Palin addressed the growth in American secularism by saying America's founding fathers "would create law based on the God of the Bible and the Ten Commandments," not "should."

Each of the billboards has a similar format and includes a pitch for the group’s 50th anniversary convention in Austin.

Santorum is condemned for when he told an Iowa crowd last November that, "our civil laws have to comport with a higher law: God's law," while Gingrich is criticized for a remark he made at a CNN debate on October 18, 2011, in Las Vegas. "How can I trust you with power if you don't pray," Gingrich posited.

Virginia Davis, spokeswoman for Santorum, thanked American Atheists for the publicity.

"At a time when many are trying to remove God from the public square, the senator is appreciative of someone helping him very publicly express his strong belief that we are one nation under God," Davis wrote in an e-mail to CNN.

American Atheists President David Silverman, however, sees the billboards as a way to shame the targets.

"We at American Atheists are shaming these leaders for their bigoted and backwards remarks and attitudes, and conveying a message to today's atheists that we need not take it anymore," Silverman wrote in an e-mail to CNN.

Two religious leaders, the Rev. Robert Jeffress, pastor at the First Baptist Dallas, and Benedict XVI, now the pope emeritus, also are featured on billboards.

Jeffress' billboard includes a quote the pastor said during a 2008 sermon titled, "Gay Is Not OK." "What they [homosexuals] do is filthy," reads the billboard. Under the quote is the phrase "Go Godless Instead" and a rainbow flag, a symbol of gay rights.

This will be the only ad placed in Dallas, featured in a busy stretch of Interstate 30 and only a few miles from Jeffress' large church.

The First Baptist Church of Dallas is a member of the Southern Baptist Convention. Jeffress, who has been in its pulpit since 2007, is no stranger to controversy, including comments about Judiasm and Catholicism. After introducing Texas Gov. Rick Perry at the Values Voter Summit in Washington in October 2011, Jeffress told reporters he believed Mormonism was a cult, expressing a personal position and one held by his denomination. The move was seen as a particular slight to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a lifelong Mormon.

The billboard featuring Benedict XVI, who stepped down Thursday, cites a New York Times article entitled, "Vatican Declined to Defrock U.S. Priest Who Abused Boys." "The Church Protected Priests Who Abused Children," reads the billboard.

Silverman says the group plans to spend $25,000 on the billboards, which will go up on Monday and remain up for the rest of March.

"Everyone should be allowed to profess their faith, of course, but that does not shield them from criticism," Silverman wrote. "Everyone has the responsibility to lead moral lives, and 'It's my religion' is not an excuse for bigotry or immorality."

Silverman continued: "Some Americans seem to think that bigotry in the name of religion is somehow permissible. It is not. We hope that the believers of Austin place anti-atheist bigotry in the same category as anti-Semitism or racism - a relic of the past that needs to be jettisoned for all the right reasons."

Six of the billboards will be dispersed around the Austin area, with four placed on high traffic freeways.

This is not the first time American Atheists has used billboards to get its message out.

Last March, the group targeted Muslims and Jews with billboards that called God a "myth" in both Arabic and Hebrew.

In November 2010, the same group posted a billboard around the holiday season that read, "You KNOW it's a Myth. This Season, Celebrate REASON."

Silverman, who has been criticized for this in-your-face atheism, has long defended the tactic, saying that the confrontation is meant to "grow the cause and benefit the country."

"That's why companies buy billboards - to get attention," Silverman wrote.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Catholic Church • Newt Gingrich • Politics • Pope • Rick Santorum • Sarah Palin

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  1. SisterChromatid

    No silly– a nothing named "god" made everything from nothing.

    March 4, 2013 at 1:36 am |
    • Doc1

      Now your getting the point. Well done! My lesson is over.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:43 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      We have all been made slightly stupider by your comment, Doc1. Damn it man, you can't even use you're and your correctly. Get it together.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:48 am |
  2. bribarian

    Silverman is an absolute clown and joke. He somehow scams people with a religion that is the belief believing nothing, and people are actually buying into it. Quite hysterical really.

    March 4, 2013 at 1:29 am |
    • Fungeek

      If atheism is a religion, then "off" is a tv channel.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:36 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      Not believing in something is not a religion, no matter how much you seem to want it to be. I can't imagine people saying they belong to the religion of non-unicorn believers.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:42 am |
    • NClaw441

      I agree that atheism is not a religion. Makes perfect sense. Atheism IS, however, a belief. It is the belief that there is no God, a proposition not subject to proof (as are all religions). That issue cannot be resolved definitively; it is a matter of faith. It should be a matter of tolerance from all sides.

      March 4, 2013 at 8:08 am |
    • Aydin

      NClaw441 – Atheism doesn't have a signle definition. For some it is a belief there is no god, while for others it is just a lack of belief in a god. Both definitions are in most dictionaries.

      March 4, 2013 at 8:11 am |
    • NClaw441

      Aydin, atheism is generally understood to be the belief that there is no god. Agnosticism is generally understood to be a questioning of the existence of God without making any definitive determination on the issue. In any event, I think my point still stands that it is a matter of believe that cannot be proved or disproved.

      March 4, 2013 at 8:16 am |
    • Aydin


      Definition of atheism (Oxford dictionary)
      [mass noun]
      disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

      So by the dictionary definition it can be either. It's probably not good having a word that means two quite different things, but that's what we have.

      March 4, 2013 at 8:24 am |
    • Darth AnViL


      "atheism is generally understood to be the belief that there is no god"

      i think it's funny when xians do that – they try to redefine atheism.

      atheism is a lack of belief in imaginary men in the sky. and that's all it is. it isn't a belief – it is a lack of belief.

      try looking up the definition, be honest with yourself and everyone else – and stop attempting to twist things just to satisfy your weak-ass, retarded position.

      "I think my point still stands that it is a matter of believe that cannot be proved or disproved."

      gods do not need to be disproved. the onus of evidence still rests firmly on the shoulders of those claiming gods exist to provide evidence supporting their delusional claim that gods exist.

      and that's the end of it.

      March 4, 2013 at 11:42 am |
  3. SisterChromatid

    A god made of nothing poofed everything into existence.

    March 4, 2013 at 1:27 am |
    • Doc1

      Or equally insane...,poof!...Everything just appeared out of the blue. Oh, wait,...it was evolution. Something as big as an elephant and a blue whale just grew out of a group of random microscopic cells.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:41 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      Doc1. You need to read more than just the religious comic-book version of the theory of evolution. Your posting is making you look terribly uneducated.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:44 am |
    • douglas

      why does it matter how we got here. we are here so just live your life. without thinking about petty things such as how we got here or if theres something more out there

      March 4, 2013 at 2:16 am |
    • SisterChromatid

      oopsy– another theist confusing universe origins with origin of the species. I can understand when they get abiogenesis mixed up with evolution– but why the hell do they keep confusing the big bang with evolution? Do they all get their info. from the same retarded source? Is this what passes as "smart" in the theist crowd? And do they think that believing that an invisible magic man (who will torture you if you don't believe in him) is really better answer to universe origins than their caricature of scientific conjecture on the subject. (Perhaps it's a good thing that they are too stupid to understand how stupid they are.– as Darwin said, "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge".

      On the positive side, the evidence will just be out here amassing should they ever decide to get a clue. Moreover, it's very unlikely that their descendants will be as ignorant as them thanks to the internet.

      March 4, 2013 at 2:37 am |
    • NClaw441

      The theory of evolution does not attempt to account for how the universe got here, and it is not necessarily dependent upon the existence or non-existence of God.

      March 4, 2013 at 8:10 am |
  4. SisterChromatid

    and "atheist"... learn to spell it...

    –it doesn't look good for your side when all the theist posts and quotes are misspelled and/or crazy. It's great for winning others to the side of reason, of course– but I assume you want to slow the flight of rational people from Christianity rather than making them flee so as not to be associated with the nutters.

    March 4, 2013 at 1:25 am |
    • NClaw441

      Grammar and spelling errors irritate me, but people on all sides make them. The underlying points should still be considered. It ought not be required of those who post here that they be able to type perfectly or to go back and edit their comments (although most of us do it).

      March 4, 2013 at 8:19 am |
  5. bribarian

    These atheists seem very bigoted towards Christianity.

    March 4, 2013 at 1:23 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      Not seeing it. Just seeing a lot of hate directed by theists against atheists.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:26 am |
    • bribarian

      I'd say the article alone is proof enough.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:27 am |
    • SisterChromatid

      Nah, every believer in magic thinks that those who don't believe in their magic are prejudice against them– just ask Muslims, or Scientologists, or Mormons. It's easier to think of the skeptics as prejudiced against you rather than to examine whether your magical beliefs might be as wrong and misguided as the supernatural beliefs you reject.

      Your religion taught you to hear criticism of your faith as persecution. In this way they can keep you beholden to the faith. All the virulent religions do it! I think Amway does it too.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:29 am |
    • SisterChromatid

      An article quoting theists is "proof" to you that atheists are prejudice against Christians... ?

      Let me guess, and an old book is "proof" to you that a 3-in-1 god (who became his own son) poofed the entire universe into existence so that you could exist!

      March 4, 2013 at 1:34 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      Disagreeing with a belief is not bigotry.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:38 am |
    • sam stone

      perhaps, bribarian. but then christianity is very bigoted toward atheists

      March 4, 2013 at 5:47 am |
  6. Michael

    Austin I agree with you on your first post, not so much on your second, God, Religion, does not belong in our laws.

    March 4, 2013 at 1:22 am |
    • Austin

      Well the laws are all individual and not a religious collection. But every religious person should vote with a religious moral obligation. And I would take it further, in that this life and world is Gods, and we better be obedient. We should not cater to sin.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:43 am |
    • sam stone

      'We should not cater to sin."

      Translation-"We should deny some sinners equal rights, then pat ourselves on the back thinking we are doing god's work"

      Bull Connor and Lester Maddox would be proud

      March 4, 2013 at 5:54 am |
  7. Crusader

    This is another Obama socialist organization slagging the centrist GOP. These left wing extremist 'athiest' goons would never dare to challenge the religious Looney Left, like Rev.Carter or Muslim Obama or Catholic Kennedy....they are not that courageous.

    March 4, 2013 at 1:17 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Maybe not, but they surely rattled your cage.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:20 am |
    • SisterChromatid

      meds... you forgot to take them.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:22 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      The butthurt is strong in this one.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:31 am |
  8. Scott.park

    Nothing created everything.!

    March 4, 2013 at 1:16 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      You can't explain everything in the universe, therefore god.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:24 am |
  9. Publilius

    I think the billboards are wonderful. Few will catch the "Godless" part, and many will read the messages the speakers were trying to get to the public. God works in mysterious ways.

    March 4, 2013 at 12:53 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      On morons.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:54 am |
    • SisterChromatid

      I agree and I'm an atheist. I think theists should love these posters– or at least have nothing to complain about. And those who don't want to be like those quoted will consider whether their supernatural beliefs might be as wrong or misguided as the supernatural beliefs they reject. A win for everyone. The truth will out.

      My guess is that theists who don't like these posters feel defensive or like they are being made fun of– but they can't put their finger on what exactly bugs them. They know that atheists need to have the freedom of speech to say "go godless" if they are to have the freedom to tell people they are going to declare their faith. And the nonreligious who don't like these posters seem to be those that have "faith in faith". They think it's good to promote faith in general and that faith somehow deserves deference. They, like theists, see any criticism of faith as being much more "strident" than it actually is.

      I haven't heard a good objection to these signs.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:03 am |
  10. NewAtheismNotSoMuch

    The new atheism isn't really so new... It's the same old atheism, except, perhaps, with less thought... I consider most atheists good people who exercise great empathy. However, there is an intolerance growing in this new movement and that concerns me.

    "The tolerance that admits God as it were private opinion but refuses him the public domain, the reality of the world and of our lives, is not tolerance but hypocrisy"
    Benedict XVI

    March 4, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • Gadflie

      Poor Benedict was pretty delusional. Unless he allowed all other religions access to the "public domain" there in Vatican city, he's just being a hypocrite.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:55 am |
    • SisterChromatid

      I see –so theists are tolerant even though they tell trusting children to believe a certain way or they will go to hell and burn forever, and atheists are intolerant for quoting theists and suggesting that people "go godless".

      Theism– helping hypocrites imagine themselves on the moral high ground for eons!

      I think there are some purported witches in history that would have preferred you theists to put up signs rather than torture them to death. (There are child "witches" in Africa still being killed thanks to that evil bible passage "thou shall not suffer a witch to live") I also think there are some kids who would have preferred atheists signs to parents who didn't seek medical attention because they thought god would think they didn't have enough faith in him. I'm sure that those molested by priests would have preferred signs that said "go godless" rather than what their religious leaders had in store for them.

      You moral highgound exists only in your imagination– exactly like the moral highground of Muslims, Hindus, and (insert cult).

      March 4, 2013 at 1:11 am |
    • SisterChromatid

      You are free to take your moral direction from those who protect child molesters and a god who purported creates a place of eternal torment for his" beloved" creations, but I consider my morality far superior to such a man and to the vile god he worships.

      It's time to move out of the dark ages.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:13 am |
    • sam stone

      "Hide all the alterboy boinkers"

      Benedict XVI

      March 4, 2013 at 6:01 am |
  11. James

    Atheism makes as much sense as being a Republican.

    March 4, 2013 at 12:47 am |
    • Schmoogalicious

      Actually, James, few atheists are stupid enough to vote Republican.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:18 am |
  12. Scott.park

    My God is bigger than your god.

    March 4, 2013 at 12:44 am |
  13. Bocepheous

    Pray for Tom, Tom boy- he got his feelings hurt.

    March 4, 2013 at 12:44 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, sweetie, it doesn't bother me that much when you can't figure out the reply function. But thanks for your concern.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:45 am |
  14. polycarp pio

    "Trying to shame the targets", no what your doing is showing the world how foolish you really are. It takes a great deal of faith to be an atheist, the abundant proof of Gods existence is all around you, there is none so blind as he who cannot see. PP

    March 4, 2013 at 12:41 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What is this evidence and how does it show there's a god? And which god?

      March 4, 2013 at 12:43 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      There is more "proof" of bigfoot than of your god. And guess what! Bigfoot was a hoax.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:47 am |
    • Religion is


      There'll be no meaningful answer from polycrap.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • Austin

      Personal data and evidence, the ministry and seal of the holy spirit.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:53 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Austin, you can't use the word "evidence" as an answer to "what evidence."

      Your personal experience isn't evidence, either. It's anecdotal, and not relevant to anyone but you.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:56 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      And what do you mean by the "the ministry?" The existence of the church itself is proof of god? There are bigfoot "researchers" out there. Does that prove bigfoot? And "the seal of the holy spirit?" What is that? The bible? There books about bigfoot as well. That's proof?

      March 4, 2013 at 1:14 am |
    • SisterChromatid

      The evidence that you have invisible penises growing out of your head is all around you– you just can't see it because they're invisible... and you can't see how they are making you write goofy silly things because you have invisible penises growing out of your head! How else are we to interpret the goofy things you write?

      Say, don't you think that a real god could use her omniscience to to stop holy wars and clarify whatever it was she wanted people to believe if belief was important to her? Clearly, there are no real gods, or if there are, they don't really care what people believe– they're fine with holy wars and millions of people with conflicting supernatural beliefs all certain that their beliefs are the really true magical divine truth of the real invisible universe creator In any case, I'm sure we can both trust that real gods can manage peoples beliefs on their own and don't need you to manipulate others on their behalf.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:20 am |
    • SunnyD

      Shaming Republican targets should be easy to do. The more they talk about God, the more hypocritical they are. The fact they didn't get anywhere in the election proves no one trust them.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:24 am |
    • Austin

      Evidence for me, may actually be proof that you could wonder about. For me it is proof, and may not be relevant other than you should wonder if you could experience the same type of spiritual proof from the same source.

      The seal of thenHoly Spirit is a seal like on a letter. It's a claim that is a power and protection. Once younstartnto stray, thenspiritngives you a firm boot in the right direction. There are many experiences that result in a saved person having sin purged from their life thought resurrection power. From a conscious conviction, to spiritual revelation. There are countless scenarios in whichnthenspirit acts, involves himself, and this is proof when you experience it. I have experienced miraculous intervention of the spirit.

      He is risen.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:27 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Austin, I'm sure this is meaningful to you, but it means nothing at all to me. Your posts are sincere, but your descriptions of your epiphany simply do not prove anything except that you believe. That's fine. But don't pretend that you know. It's faith, not facts.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:31 am |
    • Answer

      He is risen like that loaf of bread. Yay.

      Look at that piece of turd Austin looking up at bread.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:31 am |
    • Austin

      Sister chromatid, god does not hold your hand whilemyoumcross the street.

      His word predicted Antichrist deceivers and apostates. The false prophet, ect. Speaking of Holy wars as Christian , can you back that up with a new testament passage ordaining holy war?

      If all men are found as sinners, is Christ the minister of sin? Certainly not.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:33 am |
    • Answer

      The religious tool with his feelings that are his evidence. Always a laugh.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:34 am |
    • Austin

      Tom Tom,
      I do know, god has revealed his living power to me. While it is personal, it is also proof. Not to you though, until you seek Him and personally experience the same thing.

      Thanks for being nice! Have a great week.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:36 am |
    • Clint

      Aliens have revealed themselves to a select few people too, and the rest of the population usually uses words like "kooks" to describe them.

      Sadly there is more actual "evidence" that aliens might exist than there has ever been that there is any such thing as "god". If believeing made it true, then I'd be thinner and better looking........

      March 4, 2013 at 2:21 am |
    • Jimmy J

      If you have evidence please tell us. If you can prove that god exists you'll probably win the Nobel Peace Prize. You'll be on CNN Your findings will have epic proportions over the world. What is it?

      March 4, 2013 at 6:11 am |
  15. Gadflie

    I find it interesting how, as we evolve as a society, we believe in fewer and fewer gods. We went from gods in every tree and house etc. to the big 12 or so (plus minor ones) that the Greeks worshiped to the 3/1 that the Christians go for to the one of the Muslims. Just one more step folks!

    March 4, 2013 at 12:41 am |
  16. Bocepheous

    All the biggest "Mass Killers" in modern histroy were all atheist- yep, these are some "enlighted" people.

    March 4, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Another nitwit speaks.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • Carole

      prove what you just said or remain a moron forever.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:44 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      Ah, the atheists are mass murderers canard. Haven't seen that disgusting misdirection before... Seriously what kind of a messed up, hate filled Christian you must be. You really need to quit your religion because you are a terrible example.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:45 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The dolt must be taking lessons from tbt.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:46 am |
    • Religion is


      Yep, they all carried flashlights!

      March 4, 2013 at 12:51 am |
    • SisterChromatid

      All the evil regime leaders of the world have been men... non-scientologist men, in fact. Therefore, per your logic, evil is caused due to men not believing in Scientology! I bet every evil regime leader didn't believe in Santa either. When was the last time you ever heard of a Santa-believer doing evil?

      Are there any smart theists in this discussion? (Are there any smart theists?) I bet most of them don't even make sense to each other.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:43 am |
  17. donner

    My favorite quote from Thomas Jefferson. "If God is so powerful, why does he need a human government to prop him up?"

    March 4, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • whatever

      If nothing is so powerful, why does science need to prop up:

      1. The most energy ever dispersed in the universe at once (big bang) had a start, and no repeats
      2. Life itself, can't form it in a lab, so how do you expect evolution to do it?
      3. Evolutions laws change with the wind to whatever matches what's already there

      When will you ask science to back up it's claims?

      March 4, 2013 at 1:07 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Balloon, posting the same nonsensical drivel under another name doesn't change the fact that it's nonsensical drivel. You do not understand the Big Bang or what evolutionary theory is. Get an education. You just look ridiculous.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Evolutionary theory does not and never was intended to explain how life began. It doesn't have "laws" that "change with the wind", whatever THAT means. Science doesn't claim to know how the Big Bang occurred. Science does correct itself when new discoveries are made through further research.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:17 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      Your comment on evolution shows a fundamentally deficient understanding of science. The theory of evolution is no more lacking in evidence and research than the theory of gravity. Any individual who could actually READ the mounds of research on evolutionary theory and conclude the evidence is insufficient would either have to be willfully blinded or functionally redarded.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:20 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      correcting my type-o on retarded before someone else has an orgasm jumping on me for it.

      March 4, 2013 at 1:21 am |
    • whatever

      It's a science confusion shuffle:

      – Science says it's "solving" something God did
      – Claim is made that God isn't necessary for it
      – No mention is ever made that they proved nothing could do it
      – they continue to "search" for the answer

      The answer has always been there: God

      Everyone that didn't catch what happened, is thrown off from knowing God, for nothing.

      The big three required a creator: big bang, life starting, species over time.

      March 4, 2013 at 5:07 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, they didn't. But if you want to believe it, you go right on ahead. I'll look to science and facts for truth.

      Get a GED, fool. If you believe your god gave you a brain, then why are you sinning by not using it? You're dumb as a post and ignorant to boot.

      March 4, 2013 at 9:34 am |
    • HarryGP

      I would suggest instead to get a diploma and then some college. Also to read the bible and avoid the atheist mumbo jumbo.

      March 4, 2013 at 9:48 am |
  18. Sarahfalin

    Zeus loves you!

    March 4, 2013 at 12:32 am |
  19. Gavin Ford

    If you think that grown adults having an imaginary friend is silly then Atheism just might be for you.

    March 4, 2013 at 12:15 am |
  20. Peteyroo

    If I say there are unicorns and leprechauns in the woods, am I obligated to proove that they are there, or are you obligated to prove that they aren't? And if you can't prove that they are not there, does that mean they are there?

    If you say that God is in the firmament, are you obligated to proove his is, or Iam I obligated to proove he isn't?

    March 4, 2013 at 12:15 am |
    • Peteyroo

      prove–not proove

      March 4, 2013 at 12:20 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      We are not obligated to prove Bigfoot or alien visitors don't exist. The burden of proof is on the individual making the extraordinary claim. It always has been. And although they certainly have TRIED over thousands of years, they have never succeeded.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • James

      Read Kurt Godel and be cured of mathematical ignorance.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What does Kurt Godel have to do with the subject?

      March 4, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • CommonSenseSam

      The holes in Godel's ontological argument are so big you can drive a truck through them.

      March 4, 2013 at 12:56 am |
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