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 Pakistani Christians react after Muslim demonstrators destroyed the homes of members of the Christian community.
March 10th, 2013
10:51 AM ET
Christian protesters decry Muslim mob's arson spree following blasphemy chargeFrom Nasir Habib, CNN Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) - Outraged Pakistani Christians took to the streets of Lahore on Sunday, protesting a rash of violence against their community over the weekend. Demonstrators denounced the burning of more than 100 homes of Christians on Saturday - a spree spurred by allegations that a Christian man made remarks against the Muslim prophet Mohammed. Some of the hundreds of protesters Sunday threw stones at police, saying the government failed to adequately protect Christians, Lahore senior police official Rai Tahir said. FULL STORY
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@. : Well, since L4H is using Josephus as a source to validate the miracles of Jesus, it follows that L4H would believe it also validates Hercules's existence
You've obviously never read Josephus' works. Otherwise, you wouldn't advance such a claim. He does in fact mention the name of Hercules in three sections of his book "Antiquities of the Jews". However, each of these times he is referencing what someone else wrote. Therefore, he is neither validating Hercules existance nor denying, but merely recording what has been previously written. So, I agree that Hercules was mentioned by many ancient writers, including Alexander Polyhistor, Menander and Megasthenes.
1.15
And indeed Alexander Polyhistor gives his attestation to what I here say; who speaks thus: "... and that Hercules married Aphra's daughter. ..."
8.5.3
Menander also, ... makes mention ... he both built the temple of Hercules and that of Astarte; ...
10.11.1
Megasthenes also, in his fourth book of his Accounts of India, makes mention ... that this king [Nebuchadnezzar] exceeded Hercules in fortitude, and in the greatness of his actions;
the point being Josephus gladly passes on mythology as he did by mentioning your favorite mythology.
@End Religion : the point being Josephus gladly passes on mythology as he did by mentioning your favorite mythology.
Again, you're speaking without knowledge. Josephus was a historian. He recorded the events of the time without attempting to determine their accuracy. When he mentioned Hercules, he simply was passing on information that he possessed (i.e. another's writing). Likewise, when he mentioned Jesus, he was simply recording information that he possessed : That there was a widespread rumor in the land of Israel that Jesus performed miracles and subsequently was executed, rising from the dead afterward.
@Live4Him,
Josephus is passing on information he has heard, yes. Hence the term hearsay. This is not evidence that miracles occurred, but only evidence that people said miracles occurred, which means very little in the determination of whether or not miracles actually occurred.
@ME II : This is not evidence that miracles occurred, but only evidence that people said miracles occurred, which means very little in the determination of whether or not miracles actually occurred.
Technically, you're correct, but in practice you're wrong. Specifically, one of the rumors was that Jesus rose from the dead. So, it is beyond reasonable doubt that His body was missing – else the government officials could has squashed this rumor by producing His body. So the question remains: Why couldn't the most powerful government on the earth at that time prevent His body from disappearing a mere three days after His crucifixion?
@Live4Him,
"So, it is beyond reasonable doubt that His body was missing – else the government officials could has squashed this rumor by producing His body."
There is more than enough reasonable doubt. While historically likely that Jesus existed and was killed by the Romans, your statement assumes...
1) ...that "the government" cared about or would have wanted to quash rumors of some Jews in far away Israel, at that time.
2) ...that "the government" actually kept track of the bodies of people it crucified. The Romans apparently didn't docu.ment the crucifixion itself, why would you expect them to know what happened to the body afterwards, assuming it wasn't dumped in the garbage as has been suggested.
3) ...that when "Antiquities" was "published" (c 96 AD) that anyone had a clue where Jesus was supposedly buried.
Interestingly, that last seems most odd to me. If the "empty tomb" was so amazing and miraculous, one would think that it would have become a major shrine, and there would be little question today of where exactly it was.
Why don't we know where this "empty tomb" is located?
Josephus was less a historian and more a Perez Hilton of his day, passing along any old rumour for the attention. Also, the ridiculous empty tomb argument is less proof than the empty colander argument for the FSM (which has never been disproved). The empty tomb is only recorded in the known fictional bible, whereas I can go to my cabinet anytime and get out my colander to see that it is empty and is therefore proof of the Risen Spaghetti Monster.
L4H
Why couldn't the most powerful government on the earth at that time prevent His body from disappearing a mere three days after His crucifixion?
Most likely because Jesus, if he existed, was never put in a tomb. Roman practice was to either leave corpses on the cross or to throw them into mass graves.
See p. 1, for an easy, safe and peaceful solution !!
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Austin! Time for dinner!
yes mother. Gee, I'm sorry I didn't hear you in all this rain.
Ephesians 1:13-14
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[a] is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Trust in the name and blood of Jesus
John 1:12-14
New International Version (NIV)
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
From Professor Gerd Ludemann's book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 416, "Anyone in search of the historical Jesus will not find him in the Gospel of John......This verdict is the consensus among New Testament scholars."
Ephesians was not written by Paul but was composed by a pseudo Paul and therefore said epistle has no divine inspiration.
Riggght. Beware of voodoo Reality. The best critical hypercritics agree.
hey mohammad dar, what size tin foil hate do you use? some how I get feeling that it is too tight.
Shouldn't someone tell those folks they are suffering from the delusion of Christian persecution complex?
Hey stupid, guess you missed the whole, "Pakistani Christians react after Muslim demonstrators destroyed the homes of members of the Christian community."
It's not a persecution complex if they're actually being persecuted in that situation. They are, hence not a complex. Perhaps if you got your head out of your ass once in a while you might actually be able to post something useful for once.
After have been warned many time to stop hinduism criminal activity under cover of hinduism corruption of truth called religion.
Methinks Bill was being sarcastic. The font wasn't used, though.
Kudos Akira
" The font wasn't used, though."
The sarcastic font? lol, nice one.
Prayer changes things .
Joni Erikson
became a quaraplegic as a teenager
Has a whole lot of well meaning and enthusiastic “prayer warriors” often offer to pray for Joni to be healed of her quadriplegia
Joni Erikson says to them:
"Could you instead please pray for the times when I cherish inflated ideas of my own importance … the times when I fudge the truth … the times when I manipulate my husband to get things my own way…sin…’mam if you want to pray for me pray that I receive the power of resurrection to put to death the things in my life that displease God."
Joni Eareckson
So one delusion feeds another – what else is new.
“Sometimes God allows what he hates to accomplish what he loves.”
“The more righteous God appeared, the more resentful I became.”
“He has chosen not to heal me, but to hold me. The more intense the pain, the closer His embrace.”
It is Joni!
Pathetic.
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
"Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"
That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives, than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie!
@ That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives, than conservative Christians...
But not liberal Christians.
I am not going to post any more, I am so upset with your constant attacks on me; Mother!! where are you? bring my hookah and throw this computer on goat crap pile
Cool , they make no sense anyways.
hinduism shut up hindu ignorant.
If the believe in God, kill them all.
We will recognize all Gods are dead when we rid ourselves of irrational fears.
FakER: Anyone who's spent more than a week here should know I do not advocate killing believers as such. OK, maybe 2 weeks.
sad sad atheists
I can't speak for others, but I am a happy happy atheist.
Just like hindu god, monkey, a hindu Atheist, stupid secular.
It is sad... but is it their fault? God chose me, not the other way around. So is it God's will they don't believe?
I can feel nothing but pity for those poor atheists.
Imagine rejecting the Truth of Quetzlcoatl and having to face His serpentine wrath!
"Imagine rejecting the Truth of Quetzlcoatl and having to face His serpentine wrath"
I ssssssshuder at the thought.
Poor deluded believers.
I love u all as myself. The Bible taught me how. I am happy now. Selfishness is a killer disease. Just get this straight a little charity makes us feel good. Allow it to dominate your thoughts andd you will know the true meaning of life.
I love u all as myself... can you say this to me even though u r an atheist?.. Then u will be a happy, atheist otherwise u r a sad sad n very sad atheist.
"Just get this straight a little charity makes us feel good. Allow it to dominate your thoughts andd you will know the true meaning of life."
You don't need a god for that and atheists do that all the time, now ask yourself why you are so negative towards us – it's because of your need to feel better about yourself.
The problem with dogs luvin' der neighbors as themselves is they treat their neighbors as dogs.
At least they don't fuck them on stage like you do, lol??. Go get your distemper shots.
i am a relatively happy atheist. still better off than a sycophant jeebus sucking slave
OP
Yes you do not need a God to teach you that being charitable makes u a happy person. So why don' t you?
Any of you sad atheist out there ready to challenge the Bible on its central theme of loving your neighbor as yourself makes u a moral and happy person? Anybody? I thought so! I love u all as myself!
Sad atheists, I love u all as myself.Yea you can love me as yourself too.
Nii, does your hand get tired loving yourself so much? You are a worm. You god is not a god of love. It is a petty little sadist. Go back to your loving hand.
@Doc Vestibule : Other than the Bible, what is the evidence we are to follow for Christ's miracles?
Ever read Josephus? He was a Jewish historian who was contemporary at the time of the birth of Christianity. He acknowledged the rumors in the land that Jesus performed miracles.
Acknowledging rumors is evidence? Oh boy.
One word for Josephus – hearsay.
Josephus acknowledged Hercules too. So what?
What is more telling is that to answer the charge that the gospels were copies of older pagan stories, several early Xtian apologists could only come up with the excuse of "diabolical mimicry"; that the devil had planted the earlier fake stories to be known before the "real" gospel stories.
So Hercules is real according to Live4Him.
Josephus:
"there were many sons born to Abraham by Keturah: nay, he names three of them, Apher, and Surim, and Ja.phran. That from Surim was the land of Assyria denominated; and that from the other two (Apher and Ja.pbran) the country of Africa took its name, because these men were auxiliaries to Hercules, when he fought against Libya and Antaeus; and that Hercules married Aphra's daughter, and of her he begat a son, Diodorus; and that Sophon was his son, from whom that barbarous people called Sophacians were denominated."– http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/ant-1.htm
L4H
Josephus, was one of my guys you twit. He couldn't make a buck pedaling his BS, untill I fed him some really juicy stories, some of the stuff with jesus and simon's peter, he couldn't even print. Anyway Hercules had muscles but not a whole lot more, read the fine print.
John 15:26-27
New King James Version (NKJV)
John 15:26-27
26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
Tacitus talks about Hercules also... and Ulysses:
They say that Hercules, too, once visited them; and when going into battle, they sing of him first of all heroes. They have also those songs of theirs, by the recital of which ("baritus," they call it), they rouse their courage, while from the note they augur the result of the approaching conflict. For, as their line shouts, they inspire or feel alarm. It is not so much an articulate sound, as a general cry of valor. They aim chiefly at a harsh note and a confused roar, putting their shields to their mouth, so that, by reverberation, it may swell into a fuller and deeper sound.
Ulysses also, in all those fabled wanderings of his, is supposed by some to have reached the northern sea and visited German lands, and to have founded and named Asciburgium, a town on the Rhine inhabited to this day. They even add that an altar consecrated by Ulysses and inscribed also with the name of his father Laertes was discovered long ago at this same place, and that certain barrows with monuments upon them bearing Greek inscriptions still exist on the borders of Germany and Raetia. I do not intend to argue either for or against these assertions; each man must accept or reject them as he feels inclined. –http://www.unrv.com/tacitus/tacitusgermania.php
@Live4Him
You neglected to answer the second half of the original posting:
Mary Baker Eddy and Joseph Smith both have reams of docu/mented eye-witness testimony for their miracles, including testimony from skeptics and non-believers.
Is their evidence solid enough to convince you?
Testament
Babble crap, how convincing! Why would de lord my god create tes.ticles before a woman, just asking? How long before god noticed that Adam was span.king the monkey before he decided to create Eve; actually I like ribs if done right!!!
I just wanted to speak up. I worry about how crafty Satsn is, being the supernatural god and master deceiver. What matters about Joseph smith, is His doctrine on the person of Jesus Christ. They believe He is a created being. This is a major flaw. Does Satan inspire false religion, absolutely.
Satan also has the bible memorized. " You can not touch or eat of the tree". That was Satans lie, God never said she couldn't touch it, and eve knew that, it messed with her. She started thinking, no, I know I can touch it, he didn't say I couldn't. Temptation, attack with the intent to destroy.
"Satan also has the bible memorized. "
LMAO! Which version?
@Austin
And what of Mary Baker Eddy?
Christian Science accepts the standard stories about Jesus being the Son of God.
They just make the additional claim that anybody at all can channel Christ's magic powers to perform miracle cures.
Mrs. Eddy has dozen of first hand accounts of her and her followers healing the sick.
Her acolytes say that you can learn hwo to do it too if you just humble yourself to Christ's Truth (as they interpret it)
Well, there is Binny Hin out there.
Then there is also scripture that pertains to healing. Andrew Wommak is a preacher that gets into this stuff. I personally believe medicine is a good thing.
What about me? I had a supernatural encounter or ten. And i fear the experience and pray for discernment as to the reason and author of it. GOd is the author of all of spiritual life. You better be careful though Satan seeks to devour.
Question is this, can God heal today? Sin is a disease, and he can heal this.
Proof, is not faith. Proof is not the cure for sin.
@Austin
Sin lies only in harming other unnecessarily.
All other "sin" is invented nonsense with "blasphemy" and "heresy" fighting it out for top billing as most ridiculous.
Or harming or neglecting yourself.
Well, since L4H is using Josephus as a source to validate the miracles of Jesus, it follows that L4H would believe it also validates Hercules's existence...so L4H must recognize and believe in both...and notice the similarity of their births. A father who is a God and a mother who is mortal. Hmmmmm.......
Jesus is a fresh glass of cold coka cola. For a non believer, Hercules is like your horoscope reading which is a bunch of ice cubes in your untainted glass of coca cola . you go for that combination for no good reason. You let it sit there and melt, and then drink it down flat.
@Austin
Did you have a dream about coca-cola and Hercules?
I was just getting ready to find you.............
Live4Him
@clarity : Explain how it is a mistake, L4H. What? (beyond faith of course)
Do you think that "God, Jesus and Holy Spirit" = "God, Jesus and Mary"? Of course not. Therefore, why did Allah name the third member as "Mary"? It is because a mistake was made.
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@Live
You're basically saying "My doctrine is right, therefore they're wrong" when people are asking you WHY you think you're right in the first place.
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@ Hawaii guest, Despite your current mission, God faithfully loves you and forgives you. You are justified. I want you to open up to Gods voice, and seek it. Brother, He is risen.
Austin, your folsky cola analogy notwithstanding, L4H used a reference that validates both Jesus and Hercules, and whether you like it or not, that is what she did. I didn't use the reference; L4H did.
So the next time YOU use a reference, make sure you know the full writings before you use it.
@Austin
You truly are a pathetic little tool. You have shown over and ovr you are utterly incapable of responding in any coherent way to a post that doesn't give you empty platitudes to reinforce your current beliefs. Tell me, when are you going to stop being irrelevant and actually address a point?
*folksy
What I was pointing out, was that the Mary /trinity blunder, was used in a great point. It was a victory, and you automatically ruled against L4Him . You aren't an honest bystander, I am afraid you are a slave to hatred.
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
@ Hawaii guest. Your hobby does not stop God from loving you.
HawaiiGuest, Austin will answer you on the 12th of Never at skin:thirty.
@Austin
More irrelevant bullshit. Are you really fred or are you just mimicking him?
And she said something about Hercules......ok. The throne of Satan, biblically, is a refrence to the altar of Zeus. Sounds very perplexing right...Satan is the supernatural god of this world.. Doesn't mean he has all authority because he does not. Satan has an army of demonic counterfeit gods. The spirits of these Gods are worshiped every day by the world.
This realiity is so unbelievably frightening. The attack on mankind is relentlessly viscous.
Again – no one has shown a decent reason why anything is a mistake (the reference to Mary) beyond their own belief – either that or they are trying, but incapable of explaining it or incapable of explaining it from outside of the Bible.
@Austin
Still got nothing relevant I see. Will you ever actually post anything relevant? I doubt it.
You know Austin, sometimes I think you must be a poe.
Austin, the ONLY reason you agree with L4H is because you share the same narrow view; that YOUR religion is the only true, correct one. I find BOTH of your sweeping dismissals of what is written in the Koran to be totally disrespectful, and so WHY exactly do you think anyone should respect YOUR views? They shouldn't, and I DON'T.
What makes you bloody think that the writings of the Koran, given to the prophet Muhammad by the Angel Gabriel, is any less valid? Gabriel appears in both the Bible and the Koran.
Perhaps Gabriel was trying to correct the rampant mistakes that Christians made with the Bible, did you ever think of that? Given that all of the stupid mistranslations that KEEP occurring, I would give thought to this scenario.
Your easy dismissal of other faiths, along with your insistence that everyone who disagrees with you MUST be influenced by satan, is bloody retarded. Satan was even stolen from earlier cultures, for heaven's sake! He began as The Satan, the sat-an. Man, hardheaded jackals like you and liver piss me off.
Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.
Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease.
In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of LCMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.
One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.
One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".
One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.
One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.
Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.
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Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?
Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):
I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.
Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):
If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.
Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
Just give the Reader's Digest version on yer next post. They're all the same.
Truth hurts, doesn't it, Whore of Vegaslon? And's it's YOUR, you retard.
This country wasn't found on Christianity. Stuff THAT in your crack pipe and smoke it, you loser.
God was invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand. Now, when you finally discover how something works, you get some laws which you're taking away from God; you don't need him anymore. But you need him for the other mysteries. So therefore you leave him to create the universe because we haven't figured that out yet; you need him for understanding those things which you don't believe the laws will explain, such as consciousness, or why you only live to a certain length of time — life and death — stuff like that. God is always associated with those things that you do not understand. Therefore I don't think that the laws can be considered to be like God because they have been figured out.
Richard Feynman
“I have a friend who's an artist and has sometimes taken a view which I don't agree with very well. He'll hold up a flower and say "look how beautiful it is," and I'll agree. Then he says "I as an artist can see how beautiful this is but you as a scientist take this all apart and it becomes a dull thing," and I think that he's kind of nutty. First of all, the beauty that he sees is available to other people and to me too, I believe. Although I may not be quite as refined aesthetically as he is ... I can appreciate the beauty of a flower. At the same time, I see much more about the flower than he sees. I could imagine the cells in there, the complicated actions inside, which also have a beauty. I mean it's not just beauty at this dimension, at one centimeter; there's also beauty at smaller dimensions, the inner structure, also the processes. The fact that the colors in the flower evolved in order to attract insects to pollinate it is interesting; it means that insects can see the color. It adds a question: does this aesthetic sense also exist in the lower forms? Why is it aesthetic? All kinds of interesting questions which the science knowledge only adds to the excitement, the mystery and the awe of a flower. It only adds. I don't understand how it subtracts.”
― Richard P. Feynman
“I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. I have approximate answers and possible beliefs and different degrees of uncertainty about different things, but I am not absolutely sure of anything and there are many things I don't know anything about, such as whether it means anything to ask why we're here. I don't have to know an answer. I don't feel frightened not knowing things, by being lost in a mysterious universe without any purpose, which is the way it really is as far as I can tell.”
― Richard P. Feynman
“It doesn't seem to me that this fantastically marvelous universe, this tremendous range of time and space and different kinds of animals, and all the different planets, and all these atoms with all their motions, and so on, all this complicated thing can merely be a stage so that God can watch human beings struggle for good and evil – which is the view that religion has. The stage is too big for the drama.”
― Richard P. Feynman
"God was invented to explain mystery."
Can you prove that statement with science? Real evidence beyond your opinion or that of someone else?
Can you all not interfere with my posts? You are breaking my thoughts. Thanks you.
You are thinking in hinduism, negativity, just as your hindu stupid god monkey, secular, self centered, be a human hindu, ignorant, leave your hindu stupid god hindu monkey, stupid secular by birth. Use your own ID.
STFU MOHAMMAD, SISTER TOUCHING GOAT SUCKER!
Back to hinduism, stupidity, way of a hindu mentally sick, straight jacket please.
ISLAM IS CRAP, PAKISTAN IS CRAP
POO FLINGING MONKEYS
What the heck is with this moniker?? There is no damn Islamic foundation to the American Constitution.
Too hard for a hindu darkened mind, sunk in hind darkness of hinduism ignorance to understand.
Who are you saying is a Hindu person with the lying moniker?
HIND HIND HIND – JAM IT UP YOUR HIND SIDEWAYS, YOU SWINE MONKEY GOAT!
What have the Hindu's done to you?
Or was it your mom?
meifumado, you hindu just touch my raw nerve, my mother ran away with Hindu Punjabi cab driver in Peesawar, left me alone with do nothing Taliban father, it was merciful mullah who took me in his arms and thought me some engilise, it is a long story, someday I write book, you read
@Doc Vestibule : The Trinity was not dogma until the Council of Nicea, 3 centuries after the purported events of teh Bible.
Even with this presumption, you must still admit that the Koran is incorrect since it was written about 350-400 years after this point in time.
Second, the Bible clearly identifies the members, as Jesus stated that the Holy Spirit (i.e. the Comforter) would come after He left. So, Council of Nicea only codified what was already acknowledged.
@Doc Vestibule : If you say "The Trinity is a gestalt of a flesh and blood man, an intangible ghost and an omnipotent enti/ty that lives outside of regular time and space", how are you going to provide a basis of provability for the latter two of the three?
Man was made in the image of God (Gen 1), and is composed of Mind, Body and Soul. This is similar to H2O : i.e. ice, water and steam.
@Doc Vestibule : The Israelites have the ORIGINAL book of Abraham's God. Christians, Muslims, Mormons etc. just have sequels.
Actually, the Muslims claim THEY have the original, with the Israelist usurping their blessing. However, there are no factual errors in the OT/NT Bible, but there are in the Koran. Likewise, the Book of Mormons claims that a specific civilization existed in America at the time of Christ – with no archeological records to support this civilization.
Live4Him,
It looks like you still have not looked into the slippy-slidey rationalizations of other religions regarding "errors" in their books. They pull the same stuff that you do.
When you understand why you dismiss all other religions, you might understand why so many dismiss yours.
Get sober from over dose of hindu Judaism, filthy secular ism, filthy lair ism, every thing you mentioned about Islam is hinduism, contradiction to history truth of Islam, well,nothing more can be expected from a hindu, child of incest, but hinduism absurdness, he learnd from his hindu swami, crooked shaman, a hindu stupid believes to be his god.
@OTOH : It looks like you still have not looked into the slippy-slidey rationalizations of other religions regarding "errors" in their books. They pull the same stuff that you do.
Not all errors are scientifically factual.
@OTOH : When you understand why you dismiss all other religions, you might understand why so many dismiss yours.
I understand why you dismiss it in favor of your own.
@ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION
Why did "omniscient Allah" declare the Trinity members to include Mary? Why did Allah make this mistake?
Live4Him,
"I understand why you dismiss it in favor of your own."
I think that you misunderstand much.
Explain how it is a mistake, L4H. What? (beyond faith of course)
Such arrogance. What makes you think that Allah is the one who got it wrong? Because you are Christian, Liver. Muslims think YOU'RE wrong.
@clarity : Explain how it is a mistake, L4H. What? (beyond faith of course)
Do you think that "God, Jesus and Holy Spirit" = "God, Jesus and Mary"? Of course not. Therefore, why did Allah name the third member as "Mary"? It is because a mistake was made.
@Live
You're basically saying "My doctrine is right, therefore they're wrong" when people are asking you WHY you think you're right in the first place.
Ah yes – the old Anthropomorphic God.
Do you not see the conceit in believing that The Lord God – Ruler and Shaper of the Universe – created everything that is simply so WE can exist as the predilect object of His Creation?
Pre-scientific man, unaware of such mystical things as provability and objectivity, figured that somebody just like him, but a little smarter, must be responsible for how and why the world worked like it did.
Souls, once thought to be a physical ent.ity, are nothing more than hopeful thinking by people who are afraid of dying. Ephemeral "energy" is only a childish fantasy.
The problem Live4Him, is that you can't prove that is not the bible that made the mistake. Maybe the Trinity is God, Jesus, and Mary.
L4H: "Do you think that "God, Jesus and Holy Spirit" = "God, Jesus and Mary"? Of course not. "
Wow – OK. Well, obviously you ignored my question. Still not able to get from behind that faith thing on this issue, right?
Live4Him
He did not, they borrowed it from hindus, racist of Egypt and Persia, justified by hinduism crookedness of hindu Judaism, crookedness secular ism.
@Live4Him,
(In my limited imitation of fundamentalist arguments)
It amazes me how anti-Muslims know so little about the Holy Koran.
No where in the Koran does it say the Christian Trinity is God, Jesus, and Mary. If you had read it you would know that it is asking question.
"O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'"
Did Jesus say that? No, he did not.
The Koran has never been proven historically inaccurate.
You're not making any sense here ISLAM BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Austin, read between lines too
If caught red pant hand, spew out Gibrial hindu bi tc ch, filthy secular ism, kenjer mother ism, way of secular, filthy Pakistan kenjer to escape from moon truth absolute vodka, Go Giant with your gods, cats and dogs, filthy IRS secular s, a hindu Pakistani secular filthy self motivated centered in penn station kenjer follow Obama in his life on Facebook.
spew your hinduism secular ism, kenjer ism under your own ID, hindu ID thief.
This is nothing more than violent Star War's fans setting afire the homes of Star Trek Fans.
A single photon torpedo from The Enterprise could destroy the Death Star without having to hunt for a ventilation shaft or whatnot.
Star Wars fans are all a bunch of heretics, dying from a terminal case of midichlorian infection.
Kirk would beat the Force right out of Luke Skywalker with a double legged flying kick.
"Alright crew, don't let your guard down, there are delusional religious zealots around every corner, and don't forget to set your phasers on "stunned disbelief"....
But Captain, you know my face is always set to "stunned disbelief"...!
Can you feel the love? If not, step closer to the burning houses.
dungeon of hinduism illegality deserve to be brunet down, low cast hindus pagans turned follower of hindu Mithraism racist savior ism have abuse generostuy of Muslims to allow them to let them live by their hindu criminal way, but they have turned whole area in to red light district, with slae of contraband and spirits to minors, They deserve to be erased, not just brunet. Religion is just an excuse to hid their hinduism criminality.
Thanks Allah, Mohammad, Gin, Holy Spirit, or whatever works that you are in Pakistan, you could have been locked up here in ten minutes for your racist inflammatory posts.
You are a hindu, stupid, it has nothing to do with hinduism, racism, they are inviting anger by people by committing hinduism criminality under cover of hinduism corruption of truth called religion.
STFU MOHAMMAD A DAR
NOTHING SOME IDIOT RACIST PAKISTANI HAS TO SAY MAKES ANY DIFFERENCE
Austin, Hello !!! are your there, read my previous post close
No, Mohammad was not, as none of them were, but created being like any one else, Every human is related through Adam and Eve, but individual by his essence, spirit, like me.
Pbt, peace be upon them.
PbUt, dork.
Teachings of Moses, Jesus and Mohammad, Pbt, were not of religions, but Theen Allah, way of truth absolute, religions are hinduism corruption of truth absolute by hindu swamis, criminal shamans of hinduism racism, religated by hindu crook kings and hindu crook Prophets, fortune telles, justified by hindu Judaism, criminal secular ism, dog ism, to divide humanity. hinduism absurdity of inspiration by god is just a hind, absurdity to justify every thing hindu, unjustifiable by truth absolute. Way of hindu Pundits, criminal tricksters to make make their hindu filthy cow mamas dung holy.
Dear lord, shut up with your intelligible garbage already. You make fuck all sense! Even when asked to clarify, you natter on nonsensically. You do your religion no good. Goon.
please be merciful Mohammad, we can't take it any more your Chinese-Islamic torture
If caught red hand, spew out hindu bi tc ching, filthy secular ism, kenjer ism, way of hindu secular, filthy kenjer to escape from truth absolute, Go with your gods, dogs, filthy secular s, a hindu secular filthy self centered kenjer follows in his life.
"There is a true and sincere friendship between you both. Death to the Infidel!!