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March 14th, 2013
02:22 PM ET

5 things to know about the new pope

(CNN) - From the Vatican to Buenos Aires, Catholics worldwide rejoiced when Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio became the new pope.

He's the first Jesuit and the first Latin American in modern times to lead the world's 1.2 billion Catholics.

But in some ways, he's just a normal guy.

Here are five things to know about Pope Francis.

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Filed under: Catholic Church • Pope • Pope Francis • Vatican

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  1. Douglas

    Trending Now.....LGBTQ Celibacy!

    In Matthew 19 Jesus defines marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

    There are no alternatives save for the unmarried state which includes abstinence.

    LGBTQ coitus is then at odds with Biblical instruction and should not be practiced.

    Matthew 19 provides hope for LGBTQ by defining the state of celibacy and honoring that state
    as part of their lives. Of this we can all be proud and rejoice.

    There is no path to salvation through fornication.

    Reach out to LGBTQ at your place of worship and extend the hand of fellowship, letting them
    know that they are bound for glory when they unequivocally reject gay coitus and practice
    celibacy.

    As a striaght ally to LGBTQ strugglers, I know that many are eager to start over and move
    away from sin.

    March 17, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
  2. SoldierOfConscience

    There was a time magazine cover.. that said R v W was a big victory and its been losses ever since. We who protect unborn life will use the ability of states to regulate but keep it a legal option to the extreme. See Mississippi.. only one clinic left, and even that is fighting for its life. The church should fund all attempts to do this in all fifty states.

    March 17, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      There are ways to fund things without anyone finding out that you did.. just consult a good lawyer.

      March 17, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      Ahh. The ones who claim to be morally superior to the rest of us using clandestine sources of funding! How christian of you.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Yeah, TANK, SOC COC is a really ethical guy, isn't he?

      What does an idiot who believes this sh!t think will happen to all those unwanted fetuses? Think they'll have wonderful lives with the women who didn't want them in the first place? Think they're all perfect, cute little white babies who'll be adopted as soon as they're born?

      Of course, SOC COC knows better. He's just a poe.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:41 pm |
  3. SoldierOfConscience

    Please answer yes or no only. If any other answer, that will be treated as a yes
    .

    Q1 Is the fetus/embryo alive?
    Q2 Is the fetus/embryo is composed of human cells?
    Q3 Is it true that there isnt any human being outside the womb who has exactly the same DNA as the cells in the set of fetuses / embryos in a given uterus?
    Q4 Assuming there are no threats to mom's life from the embryo(s) and to mom's mental state due to it being conceived in a r@pe/in3est scenario, is it true that the fetus/embryo is not physically hurting the mom?

    If yes to all four questions, then it is a unique living human being (or set of unique living human beings). Who has the right to kill it?

    March 17, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      1. yes, as were the sperm and the egg before they came together
      2. yes
      3. the question is a bit convoluted but perhaps??
      4. no, any fetus growing in any mother causes some damage to her body

      The fetus is a parasite whose life is dependent upon the host (mother). The host, if it has more power than the parasite, has the ability to kill the parasite. (It's the job of society--not me-to determine what "rights" are afforded what individuals or ideas within the society).

      If you would like to claim that human life has some unproven magical quality that only those with certain other unproven magical qualities can end, then good luck proving those claims that you must first prove before even putting forth your argument.

      March 17, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Moby
      A correction. A fetus is not a parasite as it would need to be alien (foreign) to the host, which it is not. It is therefore parasite-like, but not a parasite.

      March 17, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Moby for Q3 then you answer yes. because as I said, if you dont answer yes or no then its an automatic yes

      Moby things, per Q4, that all babies are parasites.. wow!

      March 17, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Yes, technically, but the relationship is that of a parasite and host.

      March 17, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Look you fvcktard, you don't get to tell me what my answers are just like you don't get to dictate my opinion. And no, babies are not parasites, fetuses are. Are you that much of a liar that you'd lie to me about what I just said to you? How stupid is that?

      March 17, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Moby lets not deal in grey scale "maybe, if, but..". its either yes or no. So every baby you see, you tell them "hello parasite" or "hello, miracle" in front of their parents. which is it? I go for the latter.

      March 17, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      you can dodge my question all you want. I asked a simple 4 question set.. lets see how this "you cant dicatte how I answer" works in SAT.

      March 17, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Moby you seek to differentiate between baby and fetus. But they are teh same. Lets tell a mom whi just concieved, at 3 weeks, that what she has is not a baby. Will you do that?

      March 17, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • midwest rail

      The real question, SOC, is why you consistently go against your own pronouncements. Oh, that's right – because you're a troll.

      March 17, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      If I feel the need to tell someone what I just told you, it seems pretty obvious that I will do it.

      March 17, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Midwest rail, where am I going against something I told?

      Moby lets take a mom who is 3 weeks pregnant.. will you tell her that she doesnt have a baby but has a 'fetus', a parasite? YES or NO only please.

      March 17, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
    • End Religion

      SoldierOfCustard: we're begging you, please stop beating your wife.

      March 17, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      My previous answer stands, dipsh!t. If I feel that she needs to know and that I should be the one to tell her, then I will do so.

      Oh, and as to telling me how I must reply.... go fvck yourself.

      March 17, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      EndReligion, but im too good at chess. so what can I do? she loses every time. 🙂

      March 17, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Ok Moby. I and you are in front of her. she tells "I will ask both of you one after another.Is this my baby or is this a parasite. You first, Moby'. go now.

      March 17, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • Jerry

      Straw man.

      March 17, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      straw man. easy way of avoiding the question when you know you lost.

      March 17, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Whether or not I speak to her at all or about that or deem to answer her question depends on the conversation up to that point. Again, if I feel that I should tell her then I will. What about this concept do you not understand, retard?

      March 17, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • Jerry

      The person who uses the straw man automatically fails. Use of fallacious argumentation is instafail in debate.

      March 17, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Define what you mean by "lost." Lost what, exactly? Oh, and "she tells?" Really?

      March 17, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
    • midwest rail

      SOC – too funny. On more than one occasion, you have announced that you are leaving these pages, never to return. But you already knew that. On the first occasion, you admitted that you believe none of the things you post, rather you enjoyed seeing what reaction you could get. But you already knew that. And your absurd test contains questions that are not simple yes or no queries. But you already knew that. You are a troll. But you already knew that.

      March 17, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      "And your absurd test contains questions that are not simple yes or no queries." No, Rail, it doesnt. Just look at the question, dig into your beliefs and you either agree with it or you dont. as simple as that. The problem with liberals is that they like to make simple black and white questions into vast-sea-of-gray things, complicating very simple points. No wonder we are where we are today. With nobody taking any responsibility. No right or wrong. ..

      about this famous "im going to go away" speach everyoen refers to, I dont know what you are talking about.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:13 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Yes, you do. You don't believe a word of the tripe you post. You admitted as much MONTHS ago. You are back again trying to agitate by posting asinine statements that even you know are ridiculous.

      Get off it, you phony. You're not even a good liar.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:18 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Moby I didnt call you any names, just made points. You used all the bad language. But never mind. If a mad dog bites you then its not right to bite back.

      That apart, we have established that if you "dont think it necessary" to answer a question, i.e. you cant answer it, you will walk away. You will only answer it when you can answer it to your liking. thats like "heads I win, tails you lose".

      March 17, 2013 at 7:22 pm |
    • Johnny Guitar

      Your grand exit is well remembered.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:27 pm |
    • antiSoldier

      interesting reading about oversimplification by conservatives
      http://bit.ly/LDYoBg
      http://bit.ly/WuGIDr
      http://bit.ly/SzwOxm

      March 17, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
    • antiSoldier

      this one is really interesting : http://bit.ly/ICHjKT

      March 17, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      And who says a yes answer to any of these questions makes an embryo a human being? American law certainly doesn't.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:34 pm |
    • The real Tom

      An embryo, blastocyst, or fetus is not a person under law until it is viable outside the body of the woman carrying it. Nobody cares whether you like the law or not. And your opinion of abortion is irrelevant.

      So's your little quiz. Just like it's been every one of the 5000 times you've posted it, you ninny.

      Stop pretending you believe the crap you write. You're a poe.

      March 17, 2013 at 7:38 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Tank, I use "logic". So if it is YES to all four questions then a fetus/embryo/blastocyst/baby (all of the four are the same) is proven to be a living unique human being who is not physically harming his/her mother. Just think of it in black and white terms. Sophistry can get one far but its still stretching the argument. lets not make simple things more complicated for the sake of making it so.

      March 18, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
  4. enriquetabrasini

    up to I saw the paycheck which was of $8301, I accept that my mother in law woz like realy taking home money parttime at their computer.. there aunt haz done this 4 less than 7 months and at present repayed the dept on there appartment and bourt a gorgeous Peugeot 205 GTi. I went here,........... BIT40. ℂOℳ

    March 16, 2013 at 6:01 am |
  5. End Religion

    What I like about this new Pope is that instead of hiring someone at slave wages, he instead paints his own toenails.

    March 15, 2013 at 7:40 pm |
  6. Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam

    Could he be the one?... Maybe... but will he be ours to control?

    March 15, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Damocles

      Will you administer the Gom Jabbar?

      March 15, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
  7. mzh

    If you study Christianity since the time of it is originated, you will find that it has been transformed to what it is today from what it was during the time Jesus... i.e. Catholic prays Marry and promots a dead person to a saint and believes that this dead person cures/heals them... and many more.... what is the source of these innovation in the practice of Christianity? also what is being practiced today, contradicts with what is even in Bible if you look at it carefully... but unfortunately these 1.2 billions ppl who are all my brothers and sisters in mankind do not even think for a second that they are being sold with these teachings.......

    March 15, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • .

      Your cutting and pasting this on every thread doesn't make your words more valid.
      Neither does your ignorant assertion that 1.2 billion people have it wrong, and you, and only you, have it right.
      Ps: it's M A R Y. You know, the Mother of Jesus? If you're going to c/p, perhaps fix the name of the woman who gave birth to Him?

      March 15, 2013 at 11:41 am |
  8. Steve

    Have you read this book? It talks about the 300 Prophecies of Jesus from the Hebrew Scriptures, it's a must read.

    http://www.amazon .com/300-Times-examination-prophecies-ebook/dp/B00BDFMLAI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363354586&sr=8-1&keywords=300+Prophecies+of+Jesus

    March 15, 2013 at 10:01 am |
    • Roger that

      Have you read this book? It discusses the contradictions in the Gospels. It's a must-read.

      http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Interrupted-Revealing-Hidden-Contradictions/dp/0061173940

      March 15, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
  9. Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

    Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.

    Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease. Realistically, many abortions could be avoided if a morning-after pill were not viewed as such an evil option. Many of these same people bring children into the world at a high pace, and then would prefer that the rest of society take over and educate their children in their particular brand of religion when they don't plan well.

    In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of LCMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.

    One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.

    Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.

    =================================================
    Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?

    Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):

    During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

    John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):

    I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.

    Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):

    If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.

    Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):

    All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
    ======================================================================

    March 15, 2013 at 8:53 am |
  10. Mark

    Funny how we claim to want goodness in people yet we are so fearful of goodness when it may be the attribute of a person we will turn every rock and scour every crevice to tarnish that goodness. If this man turned out to be a truly good person, that would cause us to see the failure in our own lives and that would be devastating. We do have a history of destroying those who could teach us to be better because we largely fear what we say we want in others and out of ourselves. It is more comforting for us to find failure in others because we have this dishonest idea the failure is in that other person rather than to honestly understand we are using that other person to absolve us of our failure in life. We all want to be more than we are and spiritually we fail over and over again. Easier to destroy those striving for to become what we gave up trying to become a long time ago. What we cast upon others, what we see in others, what we state about others tells us more about how we see, feel and embrace ourselves than it does about the other. I love comments people make about others as they have no idea what they reveal about themselves and which they would vehemently reject if challeneged with what they have revealed about themselves. For those who wish failure upon this person, it might be interesting to ask ones self, "What is it about me that wishes failure upon this person. What does that say about me?" The tough part is listening to ones self with complete honestly.; Most of us will argue with ourselves instead of listening and learning about who WE are. Naaaaaa....that's pure crap and I don't know of what I speak. There, that feels much better.

    March 15, 2013 at 8:15 am |
    • End Religion

      The 'return' key is your friend.

      March 15, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
  11. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    March 15, 2013 at 7:33 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!-

      March 15, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • Really?

      "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"

      That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie!

      March 15, 2013 at 11:21 am |
  12. Tra-la-la

    I find it interesting that the press is making such a big deal over the fact he actually paid his hotel bill. I guess Popes normally skip out on the bill.

    March 15, 2013 at 1:32 am |
  13. Douglas

    Pope Francis is a strong advocate for celibacy!

    This is good news for all.

    Fornicators beware!

    Celibacy is now trending and the faithful can be pleased that a Pope has been
    chosen who understand that fornicators can be rescued from the abyss of sin.

    Reach out at your place of worship and let the fornicating sinners know that they are glory bound when they reject
    satan and jettison fornication from their lives.

    March 15, 2013 at 12:56 am |
    • Nosferatu

      Douglas' closet door creaks open like the coffin of a vampire.

      March 15, 2013 at 1:09 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Good thing that the Pope is not in control of the real world or the direct lives of his followers. Just b/c the factory refuses to send you more dolls Doug doesn't mean the rest of the world shouldn't be enjoying something that is purely natural.

      March 15, 2013 at 7:08 am |
    • .

      Back again, Philip Douglas Answerman? Didn't you all-day marathon of bullshit posting tire you out? Evidently you are cycling high right now.
      Because you are celibate, probably by necessity since no one will have you, you want to stamp out sex. You really are a silly old lady, Philip Douglas Answerman. Go rub one out and relax.

      March 15, 2013 at 11:48 am |
  14. Reality

    Querido Francis,

    Antes de hacerlo más jue-mping del NT, le damos la bienvenida al siglo 21 con un nuevo credo:

    El Credo de los Apóstoles de 2013: (actualizado por su servidor y basado en los estudios de los historiadores y teólogos de los últimos 200 años)

    ¿Debo creer en un dios cuya existencia no se puede probar
    y dios dijo si él / ella / ello reside en que existe una no probada,
    creados por el hombre, estado de espíritu de la felicidad llamado cielo?

    Creo que había un 1r CE del siglo, judíos, simple,
    predicador hombre que fue concebido por un carpintero judío
    llamado vida José en Nazaret y nació de una joven judía
    chica llamada Mary. (Algunos dicen que era un mamzer.)

    Jesús fue crucificado sumariamente por ser un templo agitador por
    las tropas romanas en Jerusalén que sirven bajo el poder de Poncio Pilato,

    Fue enterrado en una tumba sin nombre y se encuentra todavía
    a-pudriéndose en el suelo en algún lugar fuera de
    Jerusalén.

    Dicha historia de Jesús fue embellecido y "mitificada" por
    muchos semi-ficción de los escritores. Un descenso a los infiernos, una resurrección corporal
    y las historias de ascensión se promulgaron para competir con el
    César mitos. Dicho historias eran tan populares que se
    se convirtió en una religión conocida hoy en día como el Catolicismo / Cristianismo
    y con la edad oscura, el vino diario de sangre y pan a los rituales del cuerpo
    llamado el sacrificio eucarístico de Jesús no expiatorio.

    amén
    (referencias utilizadas están disponibles bajo petición)

    March 15, 2013 at 12:03 am |
    • Reality

      Dear Francis, before you thu-mp any more of the NT, we welcome you to the 21st century with a new creed:

      The Apostles' Creed 2013: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (references used are available upon request)

      March 15, 2013 at 12:05 am |
  15. SoldierOfConscience

    what I want to know is – will he protect the unborn children?

    March 14, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
    • Arvn Huac

      I knew you'd come back. You made your sniffy grand exit, and here you are again, with the people you said you were too good to be around.

      And we knew you'd do it, too.

      March 14, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
    • ..

      Children aren't children until after they're born. Get some basic biology under your belt before attempting to look wise. You're a Soldier of Idiocy.

      March 14, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
    • Reality

      Protect the unborn children by having planned babies:

      The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnostic guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      Added information before making your next move:

      from the CDC-2006

      "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

      And from:

      Consumer Reports, January, 2012

      "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

      Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

      "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

      Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

      The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

      – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
      – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

      Followed by:

      One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
      Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
      The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
      Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
      IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
      Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

      Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

      March 15, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      He has no control over anything but his church, so no. Are you ready to raise those children when they're born in to poverty or an abusive home or to a 13 year old who was raped??

      March 15, 2013 at 7:11 am |
    • sam stone

      He has no authority to protect anyone

      March 15, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      hey TruthPrevails

      If I have a coworker who is totally slacking off, the natural consequence for that is for him/her to get fired. I am not responsible for that nor am I responsible for doing said person's job or not reporting to the boss. If said person's kid then suffers, its not my responsibility to support them or feed them.

      Same way, have s3x -> get kids. its not my responsibility to support or feed them. However, if someone is covering up for said person (or killing unborn children to avoid consequences) then that is WRONG.

      March 15, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      ref: ..

      Please answer yes or no only. If any other answer, that will be treated as a yes
      .

      Q1 Is the fetus/embryo alive?
      Q2 Is the fetus/embryo is composed of human cells?
      Q3 Is there any human being outside the womb who has exactly the same DNA as the cells in the set of fetuses / embryos in a given uterus?
      Q4 Assuming there are no threats to mom's life from the embryo(s) and to mom's mental state due to it being conceived in a r@pe/in3est scenario, is the fetus/embryo physically hurting the mom?

      If yes to all four questions, then it is a unique living human being (or set of unique living human beings). Who has the right to kill it?

      March 15, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • Arvn Huac

      Hey SOC puppet! You did a grand exit, saying you were taking your toys and leaving, never to return. And yet here you are. What's up?

      March 15, 2013 at 11:24 am |
    • Ronald

      Q3 Is there any human being outside the womb who has exactly the same DNA as the cells in the set of fetuses / embryos in a given uterus?

      1- DNA is chemical compound composed of chain of peptides and proteins strung together in a double helix formation that is like a blueprint in telling the organic chemistry in your body how to build cells, what kind of cells, and where to build them. And chemical compounds can not be considered as a living things, because in realty, all chemical compounds ( e.g enzymes, fats , lipids , proteins , ........... etc ) are non-living things. So, if we said DNA is living, we to say that all chemical compounds are living also.
      2- DNA is non-living, because it is a molecule not an organism, and this molecule is not sharing organisms in any property, even in replication process as it needs co-workers ( e.g. Enzymes, RNA co-factors ) to succeed its replication.
      3- DNA is non-living because it cannot maintain homeostasis on its own. And it does not have a metabolism of its own.
      4- Is water living or non-living? Water is the simplest example of something not living but responsible for maintaining life. So, DNA is not living but responsible for so many important functions related to life as it is the genetic material which control all the vital processes in the bodies of -almost all the organisms.
      5- DNA is non-living because it is not having any growth and it can't grow, and the process of replication is not growth, it is simply " Duplication ".
      6- Firstly, living things are made up of the living material or the protoplasm while non-living things are made up of dead material. And DNA is non-living because it is made up of dead material ( e.g Codons and nucleotides ), in additional to that all the structure of DNA composed of dead materials that are chemical components.
      7- If we defined growth as adding new material to our bodies, then DNA is living, because in the process of replication it add new sequences to its structure, but even in this case we have say it is non-living because DNA is not showing development which is the second part of growth, and simply development is the changes in structure living things undergo as it grow and age. So. no change in the structure occurring after replication process.
      8- Birth and death is one of the characteristics of living thing, DNA appeared in the living and it is not having birth point to have death point. So, DNA is non-living because it never dies.
      9- DNA is not living. It is a chemical – a large fragile molecule – in fact it is a FANTASTICALLY HUGE MOLECULE and for what it is, it is in fact remarkably robust. It contains a series of chemical bonds linked together in a chain, and since not all the links of the chain are the same, it is possible to store information there. Our modern computers use binary – a code made of two digits – 1 and 0 or ON and OFF or MAGNETIZED and NOT MAGNETIZED. DNA uses quaternary code – 4 digits represented by four proteins.
      10- It is non-living; there is no debate in the biological community about this. It is a relatively inert chemical that can now be synthetically made. Considering DNA as living is like considering protein to be living. DNA is part of a living cell, as are proteins, fats and a number of other organic molecules.

      Scientists said:
      DNA is not living thing, but it is essential part to all the living things. Without DNA the presence of life could not be. It is non-living as it carries the properties of non-living things most than carrying that of living things.

      March 15, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • Ronald

      "Q1 Is the fetus/embryo alive?
      Q2 Is the fetus/embryo is composed of human cells?"

      The early embryo is not an individual. Until about 14 days after conception, the embryo can divide into two or more parts. Under the right conditions, each of those parts can develop into a separate fetus. This is the phenomenon known as "twinning." Twinning shows that adult human beings are not identical with a previously existing zygote or embryo. If that were true, then each pair of twins would be identical with the same embryo. This is a logically incoherent position. If A and B are separate individuals, they cannot both be identical with a previously existent entity, C.

      As the early embryo is not an individual, it cannot be the moral equivalent of an adult human. To claim that someone is harmed, there must be "someone" there. We do not and should not grant moral rights to mere groupings of cells.

      The potential of the embryo does not make it a human person. Those who rely on the potential of the embryo to support their claim that it is morally equivalent to an adult human conveniently ignore the important role that extrinsic conditions play in embryonic and fetal development. An embryo in a petri dish is going nowhere. An embryo needs nutrients provided by the mother through the placenta in order to develop into a fetus and beyond. These nutrients regulate the epigenetic state of the embryo. The embryo does not have the inherent capability of expressing its potential on its own.

      Additionally relevant to this discussion is the fact that embryos used in research are spare embryos from in vitro fertilization (IVF) procedures. In other words, they are embryos that are destined for the trash can, unless they are used in research. Therefore, they have no prospect of developing into a fetus. Their potential is no more than a theoretical construct.

      The claim that the embryo is the moral equivalent of a human person is implicitly rejected by everyone. One important fact about embryonic development that is often overlooked is that between two-thirds and four-fifths of all embryos that are generated through standard sexual reproduction are spontaneously aborted. If embryos have the same status as human persons, this is a horrible tragedy and public health crisis that requires immediate and sustained attention. Not only should we abandon stem cell research, but we should reallocate the vast majority of our research dollars from projects such as cancer research into programs to help prevent this staggering loss of human life. Interestingly, none of the opponents of embryonic stem cell research have called for research programs that might increase the odds of embryo survival. Their failure to address this issue is puzzling if the embryo deserves the same moral respect as human persons.

      Similarly, IVF, at least as currently practiced, would appear to be morally objectionable regardless of whether some embryos produced by this procedure are used in research. Those who utilize IVF intentionally create many embryos that they know will be discarded eventually. How can we accept a process that consigns entities that supposedly have the status of human persons to the rubbish bin?

      The moral views of opponents are incoherent.

      March 15, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Ronald, putting words into my mouth. where did I say DNA Is living? thanks for the PhD thesis.

      all I said is that the DNA proves that it is a UNIQUE human being or a set of UNIQUE human beings. got it?

      March 15, 2013 at 11:29 am |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Ronald, no discussion. Yes or No to each of the questions. otherwise I assume you say yes.

      March 15, 2013 at 11:30 am |
    • .

      "Ronald, no discussion. Yes or No to each of the questions. otherwise I assume you say yes."

      What an idiot.

      March 15, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • midwest rail

      SOC – interesting that you answered Ronald, but ignored Arvn – on more than one occasion, you have announced you were leaving these boards and never coming back. Yet here you are, asking the same things in the same disingenuous manner. with only one goal in mind – to provoke. Troll much ?

      March 15, 2013 at 11:32 am |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      arvn, I never said that I will never br back. what I told was specific to that discussion.

      that whatever I say, people seem to be ignoring and talking AT me. so no point. never hung my boots, so to speak.

      March 15, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • ME II

      @SoldierOfConscience,

      Have you stopped beating your spouse? (Yes or No only)

      March 15, 2013 at 11:35 am |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Why is Ronald talking about DNA being alive? show me where I said it was.

      March 15, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Me II, the answer is No
      Im better than her at chess, so.

      March 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • ME II

      @SoldierOfConscience
      "...no discussion [or qualifications]. Yes or No to each of the questions."

      March 15, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Damocles

      @soc

      You keep screwing up question 4.

      March 15, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      How so, Damocles?

      March 15, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      ok

      Q4 Assuming there are no threats to mom's life from the embryo(s) and to mom's mental state due to it being conceived in a r@pe/in3est scenario, is it true that the fetus/embryo is not physically hurting the mom?

      March 15, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Me II, I answered. "No" 🙂

      March 15, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • .

      SOC beats his wife, and he's going to try and tell others about what to do in THEIR lives?? Oh, boy.
      Basically, SOC, you are not going to step up to the plate and help any woman who is contemplating that awful question of abortion, so you in all your self-righteous hypocrisy should shut the fuck up when it comes to a matter that will never directly affect you. Asshole.

      March 15, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      "." : look up the many meanings of beat in a dictionary

      I beat my wife at chess.

      regarding helping, consider this

      If I have a coworker who is totally slacking off, the natural consequence for that is for him/her to get fired. I am not responsible for that nor am I responsible for doing said person's job or not reporting to the boss. If said person's kid then suffers, its not my responsibility to support them or feed them.

      Same way, have s3x -> get kids. its not my responsibility to support or feed them. However, if someone is covering up for said person (or killing unborn children to avoid consequences) then that is WRONG.

      March 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Soldier

      You really just can't come up with anything new can you? False analogies and supporting legislation to force others to conform to your religiously motivated bullshit.

      March 15, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
    • clarity

      Of course most abortions are among Xtians compared to non-religious in the U.S. One Xtian cannot tell another Xtian that their planned abortion is wrong unless they speak to them personally about the reason. The Xtian planning to abort may very well have heard directly from God that the child they are carrying is destined to be a sinner and must be aborted. An Xtian should probably question their fellow Xtian, but who are they to refute a converstation their fellow Xtian may have had with God?

      So if you're citing stastics on abortion, plan to be able to provide personal personal testimony from any people included in such statistics.

      March 15, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      clarity, nonsense. never heard of anyone thinking like this. never mind saying it.

      March 15, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
    • clarity

      So you're saying that God never speaks to Christians?

      March 15, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • End Religion

      SOC, I urge you to reconsider continuing to beat your wife. You should be ashamed!

      March 15, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • Akira

      SOC, since, by your own admission, you are not responsible for the actions of another, you should probably take that into consideration when spouting off on a subject that you are not responsible for.
      It is none of your business. Period.
      As for the Pope taking a stand, he will take the same stance as every other Pope has.
      It changes nothing, however, as fully 83% of the women obtaining abortion are Christian. A new Pope isn't likely to affect that percentage.
      Don't like abortion? Don't get one.

      March 15, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, look. The lying azz is back. SOC, you are a troll. You admitted as much months ago. Stop the nonsensical agitating. You're not even good at it-you suck.

      Nobody gives a ripe fvck what you think as far as abortion and choice are concerned.

      March 15, 2013 at 7:33 pm |
    • Reality

      Now back to the nitty gritty:

      The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnostic guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

      Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

      The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

      : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

      March 15, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Either adopt the unwanted results, Reality, or shove it up your fvcking ass.

      March 15, 2013 at 11:51 pm |
    • Reality

      Human male sperm and human female eggs are an-alogous to the millions of tons of inactive deuterium floating harmlessly in the ocean but combine them in a fusion reaction, they instantly become the expanding energy of the Sun found in all stars as they continuously fuse more hydrogen making the const-ituents of all human life..

      (BTW, my son has one adopted son, my brother has four adopted children, and I have three planned children.)

      March 15, 2013 at 11:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yeah, sure. And I've adopted 23.

      See how that works, dipsh!t?

      The fact is that you don't get a say in what a woman chooses to do about something that affects HER life. Butt the fvck out, you arrogant ass.

      You post the same crap over and over as if anyone actually cares to read your tripe, Reality. You actually seem to believe that a woman who is pregnant and doesn't want to be is going to read your posts and think, "Gee, I should reconsider! This guy Reality really knows his stuff!" As if.

      Get bent, you simple-minded egotist.

      March 16, 2013 at 9:20 am |
    • Reality

      One more time for those who fail to read all of the comments thoroughly:

      "Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.-" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      March 16, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You can add all the exclamation points you want, you loser, but you'll still be posting an opinion. Everyone's got one and they all stink. The difference is that yours seems to be that you have some authority as to how others run their lives and that anyone gives a ripe fvck about it.

      Blow yourself.

      March 16, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • Reality

      Stating the facts is not stating an opinion. Some people need to review the on-lineGuttmacher Insti-tute abortion statistics.

      An example: http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html, August 2011

      "

      "• Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use.["

      And the result of this inconsistency?

      One million abortions/yr and 19 million STD cases/yr.

      March 16, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Reality, what part of this do you not get? You are a repet itive dullard who copies and pastes the same drivel everywhere on this blog. You have an opinion about abortion. That is all you have. You can continue to claim that there is an "epidemic" of it, but that it YOUR opinion. The statistics do not support this claim. You can claim that people "must" do this, that, or some other, but if you think anyone cares what you think he or she "must" do or is going to change his or her behavior because of some post you paste here, you're dumber than you appear.

      Do you really think teenagers are reading this blog? Do you really think someone comes here for information about contraceptives? Do you really think that even a newcomer to this blog bothers to read your interminable sludge? And that even if someone does, that it matters? Where's your proof of that?

      Abortion will remain legal. Your opposition to it will make no more difference than it ever has-R v W isn't going to be overturned. Women will choose to terminate pregnancies and not just those that are unplanned. There are many reasons for abortion that have nothing to do with carelessness or ignorance. That you haven't learned this indicates to me that you are very selective in researching the issue.

      But go right ahead and continue to copy/paste, then lather, rinse and repeat. You are a laughingstock here.

      March 16, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
    • Reality

      As requested:

      o The numbers, the calculations and two "bottom liners":

      "Facts on Co-ntraceptive Use

      http://www.gu-ttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

      January 2008

      WHO NEEDS CONTRACEPTIVES?

      • 62 million U.S. women (and men?) are in their childbearing years (15–44).[1]
      • 43 million women (and men) of reproductive age, or 7 in 10, are se-xually active and do not want to become pregnant, but could become pregnant if they or their partners fail to use a contraceptive method.[2]
      • The typical U.S. woman (man?) wants only 2 children. To achieve this goal, she (he?) must use contraceptives for roughly 3 decades.[3]

      WHO USES CONTRACEPTIVES?
      • Virtually all women (98%) aged 15–44 who have ever had inte-rcourse have used at least one contraceptive method.[2](and men?)
      • Overall, 62% of the 62 million women aged 15–44 are currently using one.[2] (and men)
      • 31% of the 62 million women (and men?) do not need a method because they are infertile; are pregnant, postpartum or trying to become pregnant; have never had inter-course; or are not s-exually active.[2]
      • Thus, only 7% of women aged 15–44 are at risk of unwanted pregnancy but are not using contraceptives.[2] (and men?)
      • Among the 42 million fertile, s-exually active women who do not want to become pregnant, 89% are practicing contraception.[2] (and men?)

      WHICH METHODS DO WOMEN (men?) USE?
      • 64% of reproductive-age women who practice contraception use reversible methods, such as oral contraceptives or condoms. The remaining women rely on female or male sterilization.[2]

      FIRST-YEAR CONTRACEPTIVE FAILURE RATES
      Percentage of women (men?) experiencing an unplanned pregnancy (a few examples)
      Method Typical
      Pill (combined) 8.7
      Tubal sterilization 0.7
      Male condom 17.4
      Vas-ectomy 0.2
      Periodic abstinence 25.3
      Calendar 9.0
      Ovulation Method 3.0
      Sympto-thermal 2.0
      Post-ovulation 1.0
      No method 85.0"
      (Abstinence) 0
      (Mas-turbation) 0

      More facts about co-ntraceptives from
      guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

      "CON-TRACEPTIVE METHOD CHOICE
      Con-traceptive method use among U.S. women who practice con-traception, 2002
      Method No. of users (in 000s) % of users

      Pill 11,661 30.6
      Male condom 6,841 18.0 "

      i.e.
      The pill fails to protect women 8.7% during the first year of use (from the same reference previously shown).
      i.e.
      0.087 (failure rate)
      x 62 million (# child bearing women)
      x 0.62 ( % of these women using contraception )
      x 0.306 ( % of these using the pill) =
      1,020,000 unplanned pregnancies during the first year of pill use.

      For male condoms (failure rate of 17.4 and 18% use level):

      1,200,000 unplanned pregnancies during the first year of male condom use.

      The Guttmacher Insti-tute (same reference) notes also that the perfect use of the pill should result in a 0.3% failure rate
      (35,000 unplanned pregnancies) and for the male condom, a 2% failure rate (138,000 unplanned pregnancies).

      o Bottom Line #1: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the pill or condoms properly and/or use other methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.

      Bottom line #2-
      Currently, a perfect barrier system does not exist. Time to develop one! In the meantime, mono-ma-sturbation or mutual ma-sturbation are highly recommended for hete-rose-xuals who need a contraceptive. Abstinence is another best-solution but obviously the se-x drive typically vitiates this option although being biological would it not be able to develop a drug to temporarily eliminate said drive?

      March 16, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Nobody's requested numbers, you stupid twit.

      You are amazingly dim. I wonder how many of the cardinals read your little epistle to them.

      What a fvcking windbag.

      March 16, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
    • Reality

      Obviously some are both math and reading challenged.

      March 16, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Hardly, you sh!twit. Some of us know that statistics will lie when liars post them for a specific purpose. You love to see your posts, don't you, Reality? It just gives your ego such a little erection.

      March 17, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      AKira,

      I am not responsible for the actions of others so if they are beating their children I or the state have no right to intervene. If I dont think its wrong to beat kids. I should not beat my kids. thats it.

      March 17, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • SoldierOfConscience

      Tom,

      there was a time magazine cover.. that said R v W was a big victory and its been losses ever since. We who protect unborn life will use the ability of states to regulate but keep it a legal option to the extreme. See Mississippi.. only one clinic left, and even that is fighting for its life.

      March 17, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • Reality

      One more time:

      For the nitty-gritty of birth control and abortion, see http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

      2012...

      For the nitty-gritty on STDs, see http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats06/.

      And for the nitty gritty on or-al se-x and throat cancer in men, see http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/hpv-oral-se-x-throat-cancer-infographic_n_2441521.html

      March 17, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
  16. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    March 14, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      The troll of many names really is back with a vengeance, isn't she?

      March 14, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
    • .

      No one has ever shown proof that there are multiple names. No one has ever shown the Truths expressed to be anything but Truth and Truth is never ever trolling. You had best stick to dinosaurs fred something even you might know about.

      March 14, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      I love Canada, Captain.

      March 14, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • .

      go there and leave the rest of the world alone. you won't be missed

      March 14, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      I love how Christians get disingenuous and say things like "no one has shown any proof that I do what I do". I would think a Chiristian would be more dedicated to honesty, but Christians always prove me very wrong. As "Atheism is not . . . "/ . / Captain America / et al just did.

      March 14, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
    • .

      Dot is an idiot

      March 14, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
    • .

      quite a leap there fred not quite honest but then to this point you have not displayed any interest in honesty

      March 14, 2013 at 10:13 pm |
    • The Great Gambler

      I am looking for a place to go and see co'ckfighting, any suggestion guys?

      March 14, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      More disingenuity! Delicious!

      Now go for the bald-face lie! Say "I only post under one name."

      Or will you play kindergarten twisty-turny games troll again?

      March 14, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      March 15, 2013 at 11:19 am |
  17. Baphomet

    Durty war, durty pope. If there was/is a hell, (which there is not, that is why people like him, religious types, do not practice what they preach) the new pope would burn in hell for his role in Argentina's civil war.

    March 14, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      They sure managed to find an even more embarassing pope than the last one, didn't they.

      March 14, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
    • .

      @flint
      no.

      March 14, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      So you think the last one was more embarassing? I can see that. His role in the pedophilia stonewalling thing is pretty darn embarassing.

      March 14, 2013 at 9:49 pm |
    • .

      @flint
      no
      you have no knowledge of what you are talking about you just slander and gossip.

      March 14, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      And what knowledge do you have of his actions and inactions in the Dirty War?

      March 14, 2013 at 10:06 pm |
    • .

      If you can't stay on topic leave it alone flint you are caught bearing false witness to your personal prejudice. you are found severely wanting and not worthy of honest discussion

      March 14, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
    • ..

      A troll calling people dishonest liars and denying it posts under multiple names? Oh, say it isn't so!

      March 14, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
    • Flint Fredstone

      Ah dear, such the liar you are. The topic was the pope's role in the Dirty War, which I refer to in almost every post but which you have digressed from.

      Your little troll games are the epitome of stupidity.

      March 14, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
  18. ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

    CNN is not acceptable you write 5 things about a pope who just born yesterday, and not a single thing about our prophet Mohammad who born almost 1400 years ago!! It is called a racism against moslems at its worst.

    March 14, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
  19. Ron

    "God's Love is Stronger Than Our Doubt"

    Life events shared by Jesus and another god-man:

    There are numerous god-men in the ancient Mediterranean area and Middle East. There are many stories that appear both in Jesus' biography and in the legends of another god-man:

    – Mother's pregnancy: It was a common belief among early Christians that Mary was pregnant for only seven months. This legend is preserved in the Gospel of the Hebrews. Although this gospel was widely used by early Christians, it was never accepted into the official canon. Semele, mother of Dionysus, was also believed to have had a 7 month pregnancy.

    – Virgin birth: Author William Harwood has written that Jesus' "equation in Greek eyes with the resurrected savior-god Dionysos led an interpolator to insert a virgin-birth myth into the gospel now known as Matthew." 1

    – Birth Witnesses:

    – The gospel of Matthew records that Jesus was visited by an unknown number of wise men, called Magi.

    – Authors Freke & Gandy identify them as followers of the god man Mithras from Persia. 4

    – Most other sources believe that they were Zoroastrian priests from Persia who were experts in astrology. There is a Zoroastrian belief "that a son of Zoroaster will be born many years after his death by a virgin...This son will apparantly [sic] raise the dead and crush the forces of evil. Later Christians got rather excited about this apparant [sic] pagan prophecy of the coming of the Messiah..." 2

    – The gospel of Luke records that Jesus was visited by three shepherds. Mithra the god man from Persia was also visited shortly after birth by three shepherds.

    – The magi brought gold, frankincense and myrrh. A Pagan belief from the 6th century BCE states that these are the precise materials to use when worshiping God.

    – Healing: Jesus is recorded throughout the gospels as healing the sick and restoring the dead to life. So was Asclepius, a Greek god man. Pagans and early Christians debated who was the more effective healer.

    – Ministry: Jesus appeared as a wandering holy man who is later transfigured in the presence of some of his disciples. Dionysus was portrayed in the same manner in Euripides' play The Bacchae, written in 410 BCE.

    – Miracles:

    – Both Jesus and Empedocles were recorded as teaching spiritual truths, curing illness, foretelling the future, controlling the wind and rain, and raising people from the dead.

    – Both Mithra and Jesus performed many healings of the sick and mentally ill; both raised the dead. 3

    – Mark, chapter 5 describes Jesus driving demons from a man into a herd of about 2,000 pigs who rushed over a cliff and drowned. In Eleusis, about 2,000 initiates would bathe in the sea. Each had a young pig to which the believers' sins would be transferred. The pigs were then chased over a chasm and killed.

    – Fishing: John 21:11 records that Jesus performed a miracle which enabled Simon Peter to catch exactly 153 fish. The Pagan Pythagoras considered 153 a sacred number. The ratio of 153 to 265 was referred to by the Pagan Archimedes as "the measure of the fish." That ratio is used to generate a fish-like shape using two circles. The sign of the fish was used by the early Christians as their main symbol.

    – Arrest:

    – Both Dionysus and Jesus celebrated a Last Supper with his 12 disciples before his death.

    – Dionysus is described in Euripides' play The Bacchae as bringing a new religion to the people, being plotted against by the leaders, being arrested and appearing before the political ruler. Dionysus said to his captors "You know not what you are doing..," almost replicating Jesus' words at the cross. He was unjustly accused and executed. All of these themes are seen in the Gospels.

    – Crucifixion & resurrection:

    – Jesus' body was wrapped in linen and anointed with myrrh and aloe. Osiris was also said to have been wrapped in linen and anointed with myrrh.

    Again, the god men myths had been circulating well before Jesus birth. The Christians would have copied earlier Pagan material, not vice-versa.

    March 14, 2013 at 7:57 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      hindu sanatans, shaman man godevery are hinduism, absurdity of hindus, ignorant s of hindu dark ages, so is hindu fabrication called Jesus, never existed, but in hindu crooked minds of hindu Jews, crook secular s, deniers of truth absolute GOD, believers of hindu secular ism, donkey ism by faith to hind fool humanity in to hinduism racism. A man or thing has no power to be truth absolute God, because every thing and a person is under control of truth absolute GOD.

      March 14, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • Lycidas

      Even though there are errors galore here...let's just use on as an example, "The gospel of Luke records that Jesus was visited by three shepherds."
      Got a reference for that?

      March 14, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      my mother is mad at me because because i used my grandson's training potty, it was laying just next to my computer desk, I think it is her fault she left it there!!

      March 14, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
    • ..

      Yeah, it just says shepards. It doesn't say how many. Sorry, Ron.

      March 14, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
    • SAAB

      Virgin birth = in vitro fertilization

      March 14, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
  20. ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

    Why 5 is so important to CNN?
    Pyramids of hindu pagan Egypt were aligned to galaxy consisting of five stars in heavens on wrong north, middle of five stars consists of a pentagon, all powerful, according to hindu secular ism, stupid donkey ism of hindus ignorant s of hindu dark ages, and hindu secular s, stupid donkeys of hindered gutter of hindu secular ism, donkey ism india, besides followers of hindu Mithra ism pagan savior ism labeled as Christianity. such a Cinko demayo celebrated by followers of hindu Catholic ism, pagan compound of hindu pagan traditions and hindu corrupted teachings of Israelite. One has to wonder, if CNN has any thing to do with hinduism pagan ism of hindu dark ages itself.

    March 14, 2013 at 7:27 pm |
    • Mothers Against Mad Mohammads

      Mohammad, are you touching computer again? You're breaking 1 hour a day rule. And stop using training potty of your grandson.

      March 14, 2013 at 8:03 pm |
    • Ackmed

      GRAND MA!!!! look look grandpa is using potty again. It smell bad too grand maaa. look look grandpa is using his hand again.

      March 14, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
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