March 19th, 2013
06:06 AM ET

Thousands pack St. Peter's Square for Pope Francis' inauguration

By Hada Messia and Laura Smith-Spark, CNN

Rome (CNN) - Through a square bustling with tourists, locals, pilgrims and dignitaries, Pope Francis made his way atop an open-top vehicle on Tuesday en route to a Mass that will officially inaugurate him Bishop of Rome.

He wore the simple iron cross he wore as a cardinal and which he had on when he first appeared to the world as pope.

When the gathered faithful at St. Peter's Square held up babies and young children for him to kiss, he obliged.

He also stepped out of his sports utility vehicle to kiss the head of a man with a physical disability.

Even though at least a dozen security officers in suits walked alongside the SUV as he circled the square, his decision to bypass the Popemobile, which his last two predecessors used, was telling.

The Mercedes Benz G-Class SUV afforded him the kind of direct contact with people he has embraced since becoming pope.

Had he been in the Popemobile, he would have been behind bulletproof glass, which was installed in 1981 after an assassination attempt on John Paul II.

The ceremony - the "Mass inaugurating the Petrine Ministry of the Bishop of Rome" - will be short in keeping with the spirit of simplicity embraced by the new Holy Father, the Vatican has said, lasting about two hours.

Francis has already made an impression as a pope of the people, who is concerned about the welfare of the poor. But he inherits a church wracked by a decades-old sexual abuse scandal and claims of corruption in the clergy.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Catholic Church • Pope Francis • Vatican

soundoff (202 Responses)
  1. Bootyfunk

    living at the Vatican is like living at a Ren. Faire you can never leave. also, no flagons of ale or wenches. i can't imagine a worse sort of hell.

    March 19, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
    • End Religion


      March 19, 2013 at 8:16 pm |
  2. Age of Reason

    ..if Thomas' Jefferson & Paine said Jesus did not exist, therefore, he did NOT exist! And do not believe in him any more, and if you do, you are only lying to yourself, as you wish he existed, but did not!

    March 19, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
    • AB

      I do not understand why it matters if Jesus actaully existed or not.

      March 19, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
    • Harry Hippobottomus

      It does not matter at all, actually. David Koresh existed, and he wasn't God either. Joseph Smith was real, and his jive was grift too.

      March 19, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
  3. Bob

    Rachel-Chad, how are those exercises going? Still zero thigh gap?

    March 19, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
  4. Rachel

    Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York, in a letter sent to Francis on Tuesday, offered the "deep affection, prayerful support and sincere pledge of fidelity" of the U.S. bishops and more than 70 million Catholics in the country.
    –Agree, prayerful support is key to reviving the church, catholic and otherwise.

    March 19, 2013 at 7:26 pm |
    • Bob

      Hopefully, the RC church is dying fast.

      March 19, 2013 at 7:57 pm |
    • AB

      Hi Rachel, so churches are dead?

      March 19, 2013 at 8:05 pm |
    • Rachel

      By revive I meant being renewed in the spirit. That could be applicable to the church as well as individuals.

      March 19, 2013 at 8:16 pm |
    • AB

      Oh darn, I thought you menat they had died. I was going to call the next of kin. Well, soon enough I hope.

      March 19, 2013 at 8:19 pm |

    Mohammad, pbuh, was a son of blessed Mary, true heir, not goon man's God Jesus, denier of truth absolute Thin Allah

    March 19, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
  6. Brian

    People keep trying to compare atheism in a modern democratic society today with totalitarian regimes of the past. There are so many flaws in this argument. First, the minds of the people in control of the past totalitarian regimes are still disputed today. Many have good evidence, for instance, that Hitler was a devout Christian. Regardless, it is silly to try to define something like atheism against a handful of people. In attempting to attribute atrocities of past regimes to atheism, posters like the one below will make broad generalizations, that, in order to be true, would require that one know of the religious/non-religious thinking involved for the populations that had to endure those past regimes. It's ludicrous and exhibits the thoughts of a deluded simpleton.

    The point regarding the Inquisition is valid, because it involved people committing atrocities in the name of their belief.

    March 19, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • Answer

      Retarded religious people constantly fail to realize that it takes a whole crowd of like minded people to accomplish a mass murder.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      the difference is, there's no unchanging atheist doctrine commanding us to kill the religious - the bible very clearly tells christians to kill non-believers, g.ays, non-virgin brides, disobedient children and anyone working the weekend. there is nothing in atheism telling us to kill anyone. want to compare philosophies? compare humanism and christianity. humanism is superior in every way, especially ethically. basically, humanist philosophies teach us to be much better people than christian "morals".

      and hitler talking opening of doing god's work in his book, mein kampf.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • Goodfella

      Hitler was confirmed into the catholic church as a boy and even sang in the choir. If you listen to a devout catholic once you are baptised and confirmed you are always part of the church. You may lapse or even be excommunicated but are always welcome back if you repent and confess. Hitler used religion to con the masses, but doesn't the religious hierarchy and governments not do the same thing today?

      March 19, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • A Conversation

      Booty....I a.ssume you have a verse (or verses) that says Christians are to do these things...why don't you share them with us.

      March 19, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
    • End Religion

      I think I sense yet another upcoming episode of "Atheists: Teaching Christians The Bible Since 325AD."

      March 19, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • A Conversation

      @ER...I'm sensing that Booty will refer to OT verses, and then try to song and dance his (her?) way out of the "clear, unambiguous, unequivocal, I'm unaware of any denomination that interprets it any other way, and only the atheist tries to pull this stunt" truth that Christians do not live under OT law.

      March 19, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
    • End Religion

      Deuteronomy 17
      If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

      March 19, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
    • End Religion


      Exodus 31:15 – "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."

      Exodus 35:2 – "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord; whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death."

      March 19, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
    • End Religion


      Deuteronomy 22:13-21 – "If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's vîrginity unto the elders of the city in the gate…. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; and they shall amerse him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he has brought up an evil name upon a vîrgin of Israel; and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virgînity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she has wrought folly in Israel, to play the whøre in her father's house…."

      March 19, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
    • A Conversation

      I was apparently....correct!

      March 19, 2013 at 7:33 pm |
    • End Religion

      So what is the name of your new sect that believes god made all these mistakes?

      March 19, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
    • End Religion

      “Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets; I came not to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tîttle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished” (Mt. 5:17-18).

      What would make you think the OT should be ignored? Aren't you "passing" a whole lot of "jots and tîttles"?

      March 19, 2013 at 8:54 pm |
    • A Conversation

      I must be a prophet (perhaps not...I though Booty would take the bait)! ER...have you ever stopped to ask why atheists (and perhaps agnostics and skeptics) are the ONLY people who interpret the verse from Matthew the way you just did now? The verse has to be read within the entire context of scripture, including how Jesus lived and other things he said (notably–he who is without sin cast the first stone) to recognize that that verse is not now, nor has it ever been, interpreted to mean that Christians are under OT law upon Christ's resurrection. You also have to take into context Matthew's directed audience (primarily Jews).

      March 20, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness

      A Conversation

      @ER...I'm sensing that Booty will refer to OT verses, and then try to song and dance his (her?) way out of the "clear, unambiguous, unequivocal, I'm unaware of any denomination that interprets it any other way, and only the atheist tries to pull this stunt" truth that Christians do not live under OT law.
      Is not the OT God the same God of the NT?

      March 20, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    • A Conversation

      "Is not the OT God the same God of the NT?" Yes. So what? (I'm guessing you believe you have laid a trap–and I'm anticipating your response–I look forward to it.)

      March 20, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness

      A Conversation

      "Is not the OT God the same God of the NT?" Yes. So what? (I'm guessing you believe you have laid a trap–and I'm anticipating your response–I look forward to it.)
      Relax Jesus Superstar...I just wanted clarification from you. I understand the old law vs after Jesus coming. I know Christians are not instructed to kill babies etc. That is not the issue.......the issue is the instruction being given in the first place (OT). Do I believe the OT/NT is the word fo God...of course not. Are people inspired for their particular god...of crouse they are. But at the end of the day....men write for and about the gods....not the gods

      March 20, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness


      March 21, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
  7. atheism

    Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal162 acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …

    The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.

    The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.

    Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!

    March 19, 2013 at 4:01 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Hello tbt troll. I see you've found a new tag and have written something to cut and paste all over the place. Did your self-loathing from your religion get to much for you again?

      March 19, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
    • atheism and mass murder.

      Do you yell at Clarity for posting her 100,000 denominations posts?

      Or just lash out against those posts from people you hate?

      March 19, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
    • atheism and mass murder.

      how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
    • .

      Don't bother replying this poster is upset they've been proven wrong and a liar so they start posting crap like this.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @tbt troll

      Hate might be a strong word. But then again you believe I'm an evil piece of shit that deserves eternal torment for not blindly accepting the ranting of ancient middle eastern thugs, so maybe I would be justified in hating you. After all, you hate humanity.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:18 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      trying to argue with this lying POS troll is pointless...it will only get mad at you, then steal your name, then start deleting posts in its temper tantrum

      March 19, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • End Religion

      None of the totalitarian characters trotted out in the "atheists have killed more people" fallacy, whether they were atheist or not, killed in the name of a lack of belief in a god. Some of them suppressed religion as a tool to further the goal of totalitarian control.

      "State-imposed atheism" is a misnomer; there can be no such thing. Imposed irreligion is not atheism. Atheism is only the lack of belief in a god; one can't force people to not believe in a god.

      The actions of Mao, Pol and Joe (who attended seminary) were totalitarian opportunists. They sought total authority and banned religion which would compete with that authority. The pursuit of control over a people was the cause for the bloodshed.

      Although Stalin initially sought to rid Russia of religion, once firmly in office he re-instituted the Russian Orthodox Church and re-opened theological schools. Suppression of religion was a tool not a reason.

      Pol Pot is said to have practiced some Theravada Buddhism (and his Khmer Rouge were radical Buddhists). He studied at a Catholic school in Phnom Pen for 8 years. This mad man targeted not only religion but science, medicine and education. Political dissent was not permitted, with torture a common sentence.


      Hitler was raised Catholic. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he made statements affirming a belief in Christianity. He called the purge of Jews "positive Christianity." While there is debate over his actual private feelings about the faith, he was a publicly practicing Christian. There exists no known evidence that Hitler was an atheist or agnostic. Again: evidence he was Christian; no evidence he was otherwise.

      Hitler said: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

      The Reichskonkordat was a treaty signed on 20 July 1933 between the Holy See (Catholic Church) and Nazi Germany, guaranteeing the rights of the Roman Catholic Church in Germany, giving moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime soon after Hitler had acquired dictatorial powers, and placing constraints on Catholic critics of the regime, leading to a muted response by the Church to Nazi policies. Yes, the Catholic Church colluded with Nazis.

      http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?ti.tle=20th_century_atrocities (take dot out of 'title')

      March 19, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • tbt troll whatever that means

      " you believe I'm an evil piece of s*t that deserves eternal torment for not blindly accepting the ranting of ancient middle eastern thugs, so maybe I would be justified in hating you. After all, you hate humanity."

      You like deciding what other people think, hu?

      That came from your sick mind, not mine.

      That's not what I believe. But I'm sure you just know better. You got faith in that, right?

      Good luck on your search for God.

      Keep coming back to Belief Blogs! GOd is on your heart.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
    • Visitor

      hawaiiguest posts on here constantly... and is paranoid about some poster that schooled him some time in the past.

      Don't take it personally, it is what he does.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
    • bostontola

      Classic error, correlation does not imply causation.

      Since the 1950s, both the atmospheric CO2 level and obesity levels have increased sharply.
      Hence, atmospheric CO2 causes obesity.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
    • Answer

      ***Look at the retarded christian constantly changing their nicknames to keep on repeating their failures.

      what kind of atheist are you? <<<<--

      You ask a lot of people about God. Good luck in your search.

      Keep coming back. God is with you.
      March 19, 2013 at 4:23 pm


      tbt troll whatever that means <<<-–

      " you believe I'm an evil piece of s*t that deserves eternal torment for not blindly accepting the ranting of ancient middle eastern thugs, so maybe I would be justified in hating you. After all, you hate humanity."

      You like deciding what other people think, hu?

      That came from your sick mind, not mine.

      That's not what I believe. But I'm sure you just know better. You got faith in that, right?

      Good luck on your search for God.

      Keep coming back to Belief Blogs! GOd is on your heart.
      March 19, 2013 at 4:27 pm

      Ya, keep on coming. Show that your god can come on your chest.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @tbt troll

      So you don't follow the bible in that every person is a sinner and evil? You don't follow the bible when it says that all unbelievers can do no good? You don't follow the bible where it says that all are bound for hell unless you blindly obey this "all-loving" being that endorses slavery, genocide, philocide, infanticide, and rape?
      So tell me then, do you only follow the happy fuzzy feeling parts of the bible?

      March 19, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Harry Hippobottomus

      I see the atheism-communism lie returns again and again. No matter how many time you show people that totalitarian regimes of any persuasion mass murder, and that the Christian totalitarian regimes of Pinochet, Franco, the Spanish Empire, and so many others slaughter with every bit as much abandon, the Jesus troll still turn around and lie again.

      No matter how often you point out that the vast vast majority of communist killings had everything to do with politics and nothing to do with religion, the JEsus trolls turn right around and repeat their lies.

      So perhaps you Jesus troll can explain why the Communist countries never had a religiously/anti-religiously motivated war, but Christian belief was the motivationg cause for the Taiping Rebellion, a single war that resulted in an estimated 100 million dead. One singel religiously motivated war, 100 million dead.

      And tomorrow, the lie will be repeated again. For Christians are the nastiest liars ever put on the planet.

      March 19, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • My goodness but you're stupid

      Communism Is just another instance of ridged theology, dogma and totalitarian repression.; just like all the other religions

      March 19, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
  8. End Religion

    I'm surprised with the lack of condoms that some of these priests haven't gotten more young boys pregnant.

    March 19, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Umm, ER? 😉

      March 19, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • Alias

      That is a stupid comment even for you.
      It is the nuns that get pregnant when they dress up as alter boys.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • .

      Although I have to wonder if the new Pope will change his mind on letting priests wear condoms when they're raing kids, or if he's going to still insist on them going bareback.

      March 19, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
  9. Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

    Some believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ.

    Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.

    Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease. Realistically, many abortions could be avoided if a morning-after pill were not viewed as such an evil option. Many of these same people bring children into the world at a high pace, and then would prefer that the rest of society take over and educate their children in their particular brand of religion when they don't plan well.

    In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of Lutheran CMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.

    One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.

    Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as it goes.

    Has anything improved with Christianity since 200+ years ago?

    Thomas Jefferson, POTUS #3 (from Notes on the State of Virginia):

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    James Madison, POTUS #4, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights (from A Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785):

    During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

    John Adams, POTUS #2 (in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816):

    I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history.

    Ben Franklin (from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):

    If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.

    Thomas Paine (from The Age of Reason):

    All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

    March 19, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
    • clarity

      There are as many atheist denominations as there are christian denominations:

      libertarian atheists, Marxist atheists, scientific determinist atheists, existentialist atheists, humanist atheists, Nietzschean atheists, etc., etc.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • Alias

      To have different denominations we would have to have different non-beliefs.
      We would probably have to organize too.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • clarity

      And I see the cowardly responder had to resort to handle-stealing. How Christian.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
  10. Descent

    The Pope, wearing a fabulous vintage chiffon-lined Dior gold lame gown
    over a silk Vera Wang empire waist tulle cocktail dress,
    accessorized with a three-foot House of Whoville hat and
    the ruby red slippers Judy Garland wore in the Wizard of Oz, on his way to tell us it's Wrong to be Gay.

    March 19, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • AB

      Nothing says "God" like being fabulous!!! (Stretch that fabulous out for a couple of beats and give it a two snaps.)

      March 19, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • Goodfella

      I can see jesus being really pis$ed that he had to wear rags and work hard as a carpenter, a little fishing on the side, just to make ends meet. Now the vicar of Christ and his princes of the church live the high life, with a few boys on the side.

      March 19, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • End Religion


      March 19, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
  11. Honey Badger Dont Care

    I love the caption at the bottom of that picture above. "We are all protectors of each other."

    Isn't that how this whole pedophile problem started?

    March 19, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
  12. mzh

    Quran teaches and commands the followers of it to just let them know and thats all.... then let them decide.... as the verse says 'there is no compulsion in religion'... thats all... no harm... we can help each other if needed, we can live in a same neighbour, even quran gives permission to marry from the people of the book which refers to the Injeel (the one was given to Jesus) and Torah (the one was given to Moses)... as when prophet Muhammad migrated to Medina and he found that there are Jews and Christians lives there... and he made sure that every one gets their social security and did not devide the land...
    its been a plesure and blessings to be able to share this with you all my brothers and sisters in mankind...

    Peace be upon all of u...

    March 19, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Descent

      Mohammed and priests both seem to like their consorts pretty young, heh?

      March 19, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
    • ME II

      If there is no compulsion then why is there Sharia? Are not laws compulsions?

      March 19, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Alias

      To be fair, at that time in history, when a girl hit puberty she was considered a woman and ready for marriage.
      The bible also clearly refers to women as property, so please aviod hypocracy when convenient.

      March 19, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • ME II

      Not that Islam is any worse than many other religions, but wasn't Aisha "six or seven years old when she was betrothed to Muhammad and nine when the marriage was consummated.", hardly puberty. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha)

      March 19, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • meifumado

      Does not Islam mean to submit?

      March 19, 2013 at 2:49 pm |

      Islam, as people know today, was Hebrew teachings or teachings of son of blessed Mary, was never about religion, but truth absolute Thin Allah, so much so, word religion did not exist in Hebrew language or in even in Qu'ran, there is no such thing as religion, but Thin Allah, consti tution of America, other wise known as Law of West. religions were created by corrupt secular s, crooks of CONSTANTINE, to justify racism and existence of Mohammad as their prophets, religions are fortune tellers as forever man gods of West.

      March 19, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • STFU





      March 19, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
  13. Alias

    After today ,all of the swearing in stuff is over.
    He will be be the pope.
    Now, let's see if he does anything tomorrow to make us believe he really is more interested in the poor and needy than in the appearance of the church.

    March 19, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      So your plan is to watch and see what he does? What about the poor in your neighborhood?

      March 19, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Alias

      Taking things WAY out of context there, aren't you Bill?
      I want to see a religious leader act like a rightous man, and you question if I hold myself to the same standards?
      Well then – I'll tell you what; When I get the resources he has you can make anapples to apples comparison. Until then, you are just going to have to be happy with the money I can afford to donate and the groups I choose to support.

      March 19, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Descent

      The Pope, wearing a fabulous vintage chiffon-lined Dior gold lame gown
      over a silk Vera Wang empire waist tulle cocktail dress,
      accessorized with a three-foot House of Whoville hat and
      the ruby slippers Judy Garland wore in the Wizard of Oz, on his way to tell us it's Wrong to be Gay.

      March 19, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll.

      March 19, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      PS: So I guess you will spend the week gathering up all the trinkets in your church and put them on e-bay to raise some money for the poor in your neighbourhood, or not, hypocrite.

      March 19, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Matter of fact, I met a homeless man Saturday and we enjoyed a great lunch together. It was a blessing.

      If you are waiting to get eh same resources, I suggest you do a little divesting yourself to the level the good Cardinal was living in before he was elected pope. Of course as pope, he has stewardship of more resources but that is because he has shown himself a worthy steward.

      Holding clergy to a higher standard is part of your basic problem. You think you can sit back and judge those in the midst of the struggle and that exempts you from the battle that is everywhere around each of us. Then you condemn human men when they fail and meanwhile your neighbor is still starving.

      March 19, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
    • Alias

      Still wrong Bill.
      People donate to the church specifically so they can have time and resources to help the poor and needy. What is so wrong with expecting them to do exactly that?
      When the money starts coming in for me I will happily quit my job and work full time helping the less fortunate.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Bill I prefer to donate what I can afford to a charity that will not rip off half the funds for "administration" expenses, like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation that have the books open for all to see; no secrets like the RCC!!!

      March 19, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Quite right Bill they chose a Jesuit who did not buy into the opulence of his office, I find that admirable. Do you not realize that he chose not to live in the residence he was ent-itled too, it still existed, it was and is still there, the wealth amongst poverty, perhaps. Do you also think the cardinals that elected him live in a meager apartment rather than their mansions with the requisite amount of servants? You really are quite dishonest for a deacon, quickly, to the confessional, they are waiting.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
  14. mzh


    3:49 – And [make him Jesus] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead – by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.

    3:50 – And [I (Jesus) have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me (Jesus).

    3:51 – Indeed, Allah is my (Jesus) Lord and your (companions) Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."

    3:52 – Then when Isa (Jesus) came to know of their disbelief, he said: "Who will be my helpers in Allah's Cause?" Al-Hawariun (the disciples and the companions) said: "We are the helpers of Allah; we believe in Allah, and bear witness that we are Muslims (i.e. we submit to Allah)."

    3:53 – Our Lord! We believe in what You have sent down, and we follow the Messenger ['Iesa (Jesus)]; so write us down among those who bear witness (to the truth i.e. La ilaha ill-Allah – none has the right to be worshipped but Allah).

    3:54 – And they (disbelievers) plotted [to kill 'Iesa (Jesus) ], and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners.

    3:55 – And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad SAW, 'Iesa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Quran] till the Day of

    Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."

    3:56 – "As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."

    3:57 – And as for those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah) and do righteous good deeds, Allah will pay them their reward in full. And Allah does not like the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).

    3:58 – This is what We recite to you (O Muhammad SAW) of the Verses and the Wise Reminder (i.e. the Quran).

    3:59 – Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" – and he was.

    3:60 – (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.

    March 19, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • Answer

      Why do the freaks of islam always wipe their a$$es with their hands?

      March 19, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • meifumado

      Qur'an (2:223) – "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..."

      March 19, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • Correctlycenter

      " So that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow in heaven, on the earth and under the earth, and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Philippians 2:10-11...

      Jesus Christ said: " I AM the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one can come to the Father except by Me." John 14:6

      " For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whoever believes in Him should not perish, not have everlasting life." John 3:16

      JESUS CHRIST fulfilled about 108 specific prophecies concerning the Messiah written by the Holy Spirit through God's prophets in the OT scriptures in some cases many thousands and most cases, hundreds of years before Jesus arrived in the flesh.

      JESUS CHRIST is Messiah, Savior, Redeemer, Son of God, Alpha and Omega, Emmanuel, The Good Shepherd and faith in Him is the ONLY way to heaven! Praise the Lord...

      March 19, 2013 at 11:27 am |
    • meifumado


      your crap is as bad as his, it's all the same.

      March 19, 2013 at 11:37 am |
    • .

      A book of fables vs. another book of fables. Fabulous.

      March 19, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • End Religion

      Please learn to walk in the many footsteps of Bilbo. In His name I pray...

      "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty wet hole, filled with the ends of earth worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole, with nothing to sit down on or to eat; it was a hobbit hole, and that means comfort."

      From the book of Bilbo, 1:1

      March 19, 2013 at 3:33 pm |

      Quran, hindu book of mithra ism, secular s, was written to fool humanity by pagan followers, fortune tellers, criminal minded peoples of it's time, Quran verses had nothing to do with teaching of islam, or prophet mohammad, pbuh,

      March 19, 2013 at 5:50 pm |
  15. mzh

    Worship Allah (your Lord) and ASSOCIATE NOTHING with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives, orphans, the needy, the near neighbor, the neighbor farther away, the companion at your side, the traveler, and those whom your right hands possess. Indeed, Allah does not like those who are arrogant and boastful. – Al Quran 4:36

    March 19, 2013 at 10:26 am |
    • meifumado

      The prophet of islam was a illiterate pedophile warlord who plagiarized the three religions of the area so he could invent his own religion in order to control all the people he conquered.

      March 19, 2013 at 10:56 am |

      mzh to be twice hindu, crook, agent of hindu Jew's , crook secular by faith. Just another face to hind fo ol Muslims in to hindu gentile ism filthy slavery of hindu secular s, crook don-keys by faith pretending to be Muslim.

      March 19, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
  16. mzh

    O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you. – Al Quran 4:1

    March 19, 2013 at 10:24 am |
    • meifumado

      Do us a favor and go martyr yourself.

      March 19, 2013 at 10:57 am |

      Quran is a hindu book of mithra ism, Qu'ran does not spell God, but GAWD, not son of blessed Mary, but son of prophet Muhammad, read the book again, before you spew your Hinduism, racism, ignorant from old school

      March 19, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
  17. Andy

    God bless Pope Francis, protect religious freedom throughout the world, Lord, and save us all from the fires of hell.

    March 19, 2013 at 8:45 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      hell, that lovely place of torture made by a loving and compassionate god? kiss god's @ss or be tortured forever. what a maniac.

      March 19, 2013 at 8:49 am |
    • Andy

      God did not create hell. I thought atheists were supposed to know their theology?

      March 19, 2013 at 8:59 am |
    • I call BS

      How do you know? Because you read it in the Bible?

      If he's omnipotent, then he created all. If he didn't create it and didn't want to send people to eternal torture there, he'd destroy it.

      March 19, 2013 at 9:03 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I thought God was the Creator of all things...
      But regardless of whether He is the architect of Hell, He doesn't seem to mind using the facilities to torture His children.

      March 19, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      It really undermines the atheist position when you argue from a false premise.

      March 19, 2013 at 9:16 am |
    • I call BS

      I notice you have posted nothing that refutes what atheists have said.

      March 19, 2013 at 9:24 am |
    • Which God?

      Undermines what, Bill Deacon? You are nothing more than a apologetic drone fro your "belief." Your belief, however, is in serious need of examination, as it is you who carry the doctrines of a false system. There is no evidence for your god interacting with his so-called creations, be it human or otherwise. I guess you still consider thunder and lightening to be god and the angles bowling in heaven, and rain as tears for the wickedness of mankind, eh? Get a grip, ol' boy, get a grip. You aren't going to see heaven, ever. It's a lie.

      March 19, 2013 at 9:29 am |
    • Andy

      Sorry if I offended anyone; I was just voicing some prayers. Enjoy your day.

      March 19, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Which God, thank you for your post. It is an obvious and extreme example of just what I am talking about; an ignorant straw man and false premise on which you base your counter argument. You've done a fine job of illustrating why most atheists have zero credibility and actually lack the theological knowledge they promote as their virtue .

      As for a refutation on the "God created hell to punish us" line, please refer to the catechism:

      1037 God predestines no one to go to hell;620 for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want "any to perish, but all to come to repentance":621

      Persistence in the straw man argument of "God sends us to hell so he is a jerk" only advances two thoughts among serious thinkers. A. You don't know what you are talking about. B. You are a deliberate liar.

      If you choose to be atheist and a church hater that is up to you but if you persuade someone else that your view of theology is accurate when it is not, well the only word I can think of for that is "demonic".

      March 19, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      The light perpetually offends the dark Andy. God bless.

      March 19, 2013 at 9:49 am |
    • The real Tom

      I don't believe there's any such thing as heaven or hell. Nor do I believe there is a soul. I don't care if that offends you or not.

      March 19, 2013 at 9:52 am |
    • The real Tom

      I don't attempt to "persuade" anyone. That's the difference, Bill. I don't insist that others believe or disbelieve as I do. I don't advocate for laws based on my beliefs, especially not laws that will infringe on the rights of others in this country.

      March 19, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • Jesus


      I can cherry pick too.

      Psalm 139:1-6
      (1) O LORD, You have searched me and known me.
      (2) You know when I sit down and when I rise up; You understand my thought from afar.
      (3) You scrutinize my path and my lying down, And are intimately acquainted with all my ways.
      (4) Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all.
      (5) You have enclosed me behind and before, And laid Your hand upon me.
      (6) Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is too high, I cannot attain to it.

      If god is omniscient, then what you consider free will is only an illusion of such, as ALL is predestined to happen. This includes hell's existence and all those who are sent there.

      March 19, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • .

      There's no heaven, Bill Deacon.
      There's no hell.
      There's no Purgatory, there's no Limbo.
      Why would anyone refer to you catechism if ther're not Catholic, let alone Christian?? Derp.

      March 19, 2013 at 10:13 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @BIll Deacon
      The doubter says:
      "I could never follow Stalin. He sends people to the Gulag."

      That is what doubters tell themselves to rationalize their rejection of Stalin. But the truth is that Stalin does not send anyone to the Gulag. It is those who have hardened their hearts against him who send themselves to the Gulag through their bourgoise atti/tudes and counterrevolutionary actions. This was nto Stalin's plan at all. He truly wants everyone to go to the Worker's Paradise. And it grieves him that so many harden their hearts against him. But he will not force anyone into the Worker's Paradise against their wishes. He respects their free will.
      So if you don't want to go to the Gulag, just open your heart to the love of Stalin.

      Sound familiar?

      March 19, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • Damocles


      Good stuff.

      March 19, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • The real Tom

      Excellent, Doc.

      March 19, 2013 at 10:33 am |
    • meifumado

      Nice one Doc.

      March 19, 2013 at 11:34 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      It sounds clever Doc but it is just a glib decoration of your previous error. The person who said they do not believe in heaven or hell is at least more intellectually honest. What you are arguing about is a, what? place? condition? state of being? That no one in the Church proposes actually exists. My point is that if you are going to refuse the dogma, at least get what you are refusing correct. Only a fool would construct a false image and reject that, thinking he had accomplished something.

      March 19, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • The real Tom

      And still you've done nothing to refute what Doc has posted.

      March 19, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • ME II

      @Bill Deacon,
      on "a refutation on the 'God created hell to punish us'"

      Your catechism does not refute the idea of that statement, only that God "wants" anyone to be punished. It doesn't preclude God creating hell for the purpose of punishment.

      Additionally, catechism is church doctrine, not fact. If God exists, S/He may very well be a "jerk" that sends people to hell, regardless of what you believe, correct?

      March 19, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon posts, and Bill Deacon gets multiply PWNED almost instantly again. Go, Bill. Go far away, Bill.

      March 19, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • .

      Bill, replace 'God' for 'Stalin', and 'Hell' for 'Gulag', and you have EXACTLY the crap you spew and embrace. Surely you cannot be that dim that you cannot see that??

      March 19, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @BIll Deacon
      It seems that you're sontradicting Catholic Catechism when you say that Hell is not a real place.
      "Jesus often speaks of "Gehenna" of "the unquenchable fire" reserved for those who to the end of their lives refuse to believe and be converted, where both soul and body can be lost. Jesus solemnly proclaims that he "will send his angels, and they will gather . . . all evil doers, and throw them into the furnace of fire," and that he will pronounce the condemnation: "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire!"

      But you've been around here long enough to realize that I don't believe in anything supernatural, including the myriad visions of an afterlife that man has dreamed up.

      March 19, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • Atheist, me?

      Indeed Jesus does proclaim he will send people to hell.. in the passage where your quote is found it is for lack of compassion towards your fellow man that will take you there. A judge puts people in prison for THEIR actions and inactions not HIS.

      March 19, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Atheist, me?

      But you don't even need to do something as silly as use proper critical thinking and not accept blind assertions to go to hell. A child born in an isolated tribal culture without a missionary that doesn't accept the right interpretation of Jesus goes to hell, because according to your book of immorality, we have something written on our "heart" so no one has an excuse. Poor little aboriginee child, but he deserves it because of what a mythical rib woman did without having the knowledge of good and evil. Such a moral system.

      March 19, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Atheist Me
      The passage I quoted comes directly from the Catchism of the Catholic Faith.
      PART ONE
      ARTICLE 12

      "Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven-through a purification or immediately, - or immediate and everlasting damnation."

      March 19, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • Atheist, me?

      There u go with your racial biases. Did Aborigenes tell you they lack the ability to love others as themselves?
      If not why are you pleading for someone who is better of than maybe even u spiritually.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:11 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @the troll formerly known as NIi

      So you're just cherry picking that one line out of the bible and asserting that it is the criteria for getting to heaven when that's not biblically supported at all. You have created your own religion and are now trying to troll it into relevancy. Another pathetic religious moron.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      You can replace toothpaste with dog crap and you won't have a teaching on dental health. It's called a false comparison. Replacing the object of one's argument with another that is antiithetical to the first does not disprove the prior argument. Once again, atheists have shown that while they are facile and glib with parlor constructs, they refuse to objectively examine their own fallacies.

      I've yet to hear a solid and concise argument for a rational reason to disbelieve in the overarching love of a supreme universality and how one's personal rejection of that entiity could be described as anything but hell.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      God's primary characteristic is not love, it is jealousy.
      It says so right in the 1st commandment.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • Madtown

      Bill Deacon
      for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end
      What if someone doesn't turn away from God, they have notions of spirituality, pray, etc, but don't follow the same human-crafted traditions you do? Surely you don't think your way is the "only" way to see God or spirituality? Your way doesn't even exist in all parts of this world, so it couldn't be the only way. Is the person who believes in God but from a different perspective than you, going to hell?

      March 19, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • Atheist, me?

      I am sorry but the part about Christ sending his angels to gather evildoers ...and the depart from me part can also be found in the Parable of Sheep and Goats. Not being a Catholic and being a Bible reader I went for the most familiar.

      I love it when a former religious Xtian claims to defend the religion he trashed. If that form of Christianity which says only Xtians go to heaven was so good why did you leave it.
      It is a fact that I believe the Greatest Commandments are the basis for being Christ-like. Without it we sound like Mr Reality and Mr 10000 denominations. I have a principle that uses Christ's preaching as the basis to interprete the Bible rather than Graeco-Roman philosophy. So pardon my obvious philosophical perculiarity.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      So your basis is to try to live your life by the teachings of someone we only have second hand information on, where we have no actual words of christ, no writings by christ, and we cannot even be sure he ever existed outside of the stories.

      Now that takes true faith....and no logic.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • Atheist, me?

      I do understand that u were onto something with Mr Deacon so pardon my interjection.
      I think you misunderstand basically. Christian religion and other religions are different but Christian spirituality is same as spirituality everywhere.
      The Bible teaches Christian spirituality while the theology books teach Christian religion.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @the troll formerly known as Nii

      So, like you did before you changed your name, once confronted you ignore the person. How insecure you must be in your beliefs.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
    • Atheist, me?

      It is not theology that je came to teach so he didn't need to write a book but rather he came to teach spirituality. This meant his example was more important.
      Besides the first bishop of the Christian Church, James the Elder, was his younger brother. And he wrote a book. Also another brother Jude wrote another book of the Bible. Paul and Peter both acknowledged Jesus/ family. Not to talk of John the Divine who was known as his closest friend.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • Madtown

      The Bible teaches Christian spirituality while the theology books teach Christian religion
      Well, my point is that the bible doesn't exist everywhere, so it's teachings cannot be universal truths. It's just a fact, there are humans on this planet right now, who don't know the first thing about christianity and the bible and never will, because they will not be exposed to it. It could very well be that the essence of "spirituality" is similar across different cultures. It's the details that create the hang-ups, and that's why the details are unimportant. One culture's religious "truths"(details), are anothers religious falsehoods, with none being better or more correct than the other.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
    • Atheist, me?

      I do not get you. If I wanted to run away won't I change my writing style too? And the topic on which I write? Oh no its just that my handles get reported and blocked for abusing people with I LOVE U AS MYSELF. So I have to form a new one when I can't use the old. Ok now?

      March 19, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @formerly Nii

      Nice spin, but very transparent. You know damn well I wasn't talking about your name change. I'm saying that despite your name change, your cowardly tactics haven't changed a bit.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:15 pm |
    • what kind of atheist are you?

      libertarian atheists, Marxist atheists, scientific determinist atheists, existentialist atheists, humanist atheists, Nietzschean atheists?

      The atheist says there is no God in the universe... asserting a negative position. Darkness. A black hole.

      But God does exists. A light shines in the darkness. A supernova.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Don

      "But God does exists."

      Since you are making the claim, prove it.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:18 pm |
    • Atheist, me?

      So follow the essence of spirituality and tolerate the specifics of others. I am an Anglican in the Anglican Communion. I am Messianic Jewish, High Anglican and Evangelical. I go to Church every Sunday. I am a Pastor.
      Does that mean I am religiously inclined. No not at all. I focus on loving my neighbor as myself. The rest is not important.
      An Atheist can do same. And any body can too.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • what kind of atheist are you?

      You ask a lot of people about God. Good luck in your search.

      Keep coming back. God is with you.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • Doris

      Bill: "the overarching love of a supreme universality"

      Ooo – omg, I just blushed all over when I read that – I must be pregnant.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @what kind of

      Congrats, you have shown you don't know what atheist means, and that you're willing to generalize an entire segment of the population based on a misconception.

      March 19, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • ME II

      @Bill Deacon,
      "I've yet to hear a solid and concise argument for a rational reason to disbelieve in the overarching love of a supreme universality and how one's personal rejection of that entiity could be described as anything but hell."

      I see no reason to think that there is an "overarching love of a supreme universality".

      March 19, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Atheist, me?

      I don't know why you want to quarrel with me consistently. I am an Akan male like KoFi Anan, the Secretary General. In my culture men are not supposed bicker and quarrel over their self interest. Rather they are to battle the state's enemy in war after extreme provocation. That is why he seems so cool and nice. We do not value personal feuds.

      March 19, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
  18. Reality

    More waste of money and time:

    Christian economics 101:

    The Baptizer drew crowds and charged for the "dunking". The historical Jesus saw a good thing and continued dunking and preaching the good word but added "healing" as an added charge to include free room and board. Sure was better than being a poor peasant but he got a bit too zealous and they nailed him to a tree. But still no greed there.

    Paul picked up the money scent on the road to Damascus. He added some letters and a prophecy of the imminent second coming for a fee for salvation and "Gentilized" the good word to the "big buck" world. i.e. Paul was the first media evangelist!!! And he and the other Apostles forgot to pay their Roman taxes and the legendary actions by the Romans made them martyrs for future greed. Paul was guilty of minor greed?

    Along comes Constantine. He saw the growing rich Christian community and recognized a new tax base so he set them "free". Major greed on his part!!

    The Holy Roman "Empirers"/Popes/Kings/Queens/Evangelicals et al continued the money grab selling access to JC and heaven resulting in some of today's richest organizations on the globe i.e. the Christian churches (including the Mormon Church) and related aristocracies. Obvious greed!!!

    An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue, ( Professors Crossan and Wright are On Faith panelists).

    "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

    Some of Paul's money gathering activities some of which resulted in buying the Gentile entry into the then mostly Jewish version of Christianity:

    Paul claimed almost total independence from the "mother church" in Jerusalem.[12] and yet was eager and diligent to bring material support from the various budding Gentile churches that he planted to the mother church at Jerusalem.

    When a famine occurred in Judea, around 45–46,[24] Paul and Barnabas journeyed to Jerusalem to deliver financial support from the Antioch community.[25] According to Acts, Antioch had become an alternative center for Christians following the dispersion of the believers after the death of Stephen. It was in Antioch that the followers of Jesus were first called "Christians."[Ac. 11:26]. This act basically "greased" the entry of non-circu-mcised Gentiles into Christianity.

    "Paul collected the money from his four provinces, Galatia, Macedonia, Achaia and Asia but, for obvious reasons, of propriety, had representatives take each province's own contribution".

    March 19, 2013 at 8:18 am |
    • Yep

      No bigger a waste of time and space than your nonsense.

      March 19, 2013 at 8:50 am |
    • Kev

      So just how did Paul, Peter, and the other apostles enjoy the finer things in life and building their portfolios while they were being persecuted and eventually killed?

      March 19, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • Reality

      In the first century CE, very few had riches. Peter however was a fisherman, a good job at the time. Paul apparently came from a family of means and was educated because of it, an education he put to good use in making money-making prophecies and selling his epistles with much of it coming from his Jewish/Roman background. He did not figure in the violent/crazed nature of one Nero.

      March 19, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • Reality

      Professor Chilton's time line for Paul from his book, Rabbi Paul, p. 268:

      "7 C.E. Born in Taurus, parents are prosperous tent makers.

      28 C.E. Paul departs for Jerusalem to train as a Pharisee

      32 C.E. Conversion, spent three years in Arabia after his "conversion".

      35 C.E. Met with Peter and James in Jerusalem. In 15 days he
      learned what Peter regularly taught those who were baptized in
      Jesus' name (Galatians 1:18—20). This was followed by a return to his
      native land (Galatians 1:21—24), until he joined Barnabas in Antioch.

      42: or fourteen years before his correspondence with Corinth
      (2 Corinthians 12:2— 4) Paul says he was taken up into the third
      heaven. This ecstatic experience corresponds to his prophetic
      commission in Antioch to take his work among Gentiles into new areas
      under Barnabas's leadership (Acts 13:1-3). Striking across Cyprus
      first, Paul and Barnabas accepted the benefaction of Sergius Paulus.

      46: or fourteen years after his vision of the risen Jesus: Paul
      again went to Jerusalem with Barnabas and T-itus (Galatians 2:1-10).

      In addition to determining that circu-mcision should not be required
      of Gentile believers, spheres of apostolic influence were a
      principal concern. Peter's was the territory historically associated
      with circu-mcision while Paul's was traditionally Gentile lands (v.

      8). At the same time,Paul agreed to meet the needs of the community
      gathered around James in Jerusalem, which was afflicted by the
      famine that plagued Judea.

      50: Paul met up with Priscilla and Aquila in Corinth (Acts 18:2;1
      Corinthians 16:19) after Claudius's expulsion of many Jews from Rome

      in 49 C.E. From Corinth, Paul wrote with Silas and Timothy to the

      July 1, 51 July 1, 52: The tenure of Gallio in Corinth (Acts 18:12).
      In Paul's absence, a meeting in Jerusalem—sealed by a decree from
      James—stipulates requirements of purity for Gentile believers. Later
      in 52, the penultimate journey of Paul to Jerusalem (Acts 18:22).

      53: The confrontation at Antioch, occasioned by the decree of James
      (Galatians 2:11-21; and Acts 15:19-24)-

      53-56: Paul's period in Ephesus (with a retreat to Troas and
      Macedonia at the end); the composition of Galatians, i Corinthians,
      and 2 Corinthians.

      57: Letter to the Romans, written from Miletus, south of Ephesus,
      and final arrangements for the Sacrifice of the Nations. Pauls
      arrest in Jerusalem and detention in Caesarea; the composition of
      Philemon the following year.

      59-62: Festus's tenure overlapping with the tenure of the high
      priest,Ananus (Acts 25-26). Paul's appeal to the Phillipians for
      help in his letter to that city with Timothy and later expanded by

      62: Paul's release, his final period in Rome and the composition of
      poetry later incorporated by Timothy in the letter to the Colossians.

      64:Paul's death in Rome under Nero.

      70-73: The burning of the Temple by the Romans under Ti-tus: the
      composition of Mark's Gospel in Rome; the end of the revolt against
      Rome in Palestine.

      75: Josephus publishes his "Jewish War".

      80: Mathew's Gospel in Damascus.

      90: Luke's Gospel and Acts in Antioch. Timothy's release of letters
      written by Paul? with his help together with the Epistle to the
      Ephesians. The Pastoral epistles were composed in the same decade.

      95: The Epistle to the Hebrews.

      100: The composition of John's Gospel in Ephesus."

      March 19, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • Kev

      So, there is the fisherman Peter, who has decent livelihood and Paul's Roman citizenship and well to do family. In fact the of the apostles came from decent livelihoods, Why risk it for preaching? Just what kind of life style were they actually able to obtain so much so that not only were they willing to not only die for but give so much of their life for? Just where were the dividends that they actually receive so that they were not willing to pull out no matter what. When Paul sent fuss to famished Jerusalem, just how.much of it was.from his own purse? How much of it came from specifically the fellow Christians in Antioch as collected emergency funds for relief aid, and how does that relief aid automatically equate to the apostles being on the take?

      March 19, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • Reality

      Said Apostles fell victim to an unachievalble promise or were they victims of one of the great cons of all times?. Paul is a question mark with respect to motives but he apparently was convinced that JC was on his way back. I guess he got that from his trip to the "third heaven".

      A synopsis in the form of the new Apostles' Creed:

      The Apostles' Creed 2013 (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
      ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      (References used are available upon request.)

      March 19, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
  19. Bootyfunk

    what a beautiful speech. i'm glad the pope is finally addressing some of these pressing issues.

    francis said he would start restricting each boy to 3 priestly molestations a week. that good news for the prettier boys who would sometimes be molested 10 or more times a week.

    also, as reported by The Onion (America's Finest News Source), the pope has really evolved on condom use:
    VATICAN CITY—Less than a week after succeeding Pope Benedict XVI as the next Bishop of Rome and inheriting a deeply divided Catholic Church, Pope Francis I on Sunday signaled a bold direction for his papacy by demonstrating to followers gathered in Saint Peter’s Square how to correctly use and apply a c.ondom. “It’s imperative that partners use a brand-new c.ondom for each act of v.aginal, an.al, or oral s.ex and put it on as soon as e.rection occurs,” the supreme pontiff said to thousands of devout Catholics while gripping the base of an anatomical teaching model and gently rolling a LifeStyles-brand condom down the shaft of the silicon p.enis. “To reduce air pockets and minimize the risk of breakage, pinch the top of the s.emen reservoir with your thumb and forefinger, then withdraw the p.enis directly after e.jaculation. And remember, always use a new c.ondom when alternating between different s.exual acts; it’s more effective, more sanitary, and improves the s.exual experience for both partners.” Francis added that though he understood c.ondom use was not ideal for maximizing s.exual pleasure and personally prefers not to wear them, they are the most effective way to prevent the spread of infectious diseases besides abstaining from s.ex altogether.

    March 19, 2013 at 8:17 am |
  20. Science

    What hapened no god needed ? the real world............is not the fake origin story. Maybe the RCC should come clean here too

    Scientists Produce Cloned Embryos of Extinct Frog

    Mar. 15, 2013 — The genome of an extinct Australian frog has been revived and reactivated by a team of scientists using sophisticated cloning technology to implant a "dead" cell nucleus into a fresh egg from another frog species.

    March 19, 2013 at 6:24 am |
    • Science

      Oops damn source below


      March 19, 2013 at 6:26 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Thought of you and ER when I saw this:

      Since Creationists think we worship Charles Darwin, here's a little prayer. (I did not write this I hasten to add, but don't know who did.)

      Our Darwin, who aren't in heaven
      (and can't hear me anyway)
      In textbooks be thy name
      Evolution be taught, and Creation naught
      With science leading our Way
      Give us kingdoms, genus, species,
      As we learn the taxonomy of Linnaeus.
      And lead us not into intelligent design
      but deliver us from dogma
      For Science , and thinking ..
      In the cla
      ssrooms as well as
      On trillions of other planets.

      March 19, 2013 at 6:43 am |
    • Science

      Good morning Truth Prevails 🙂

      Thanks for think about science it is cool !

      For a good laugh go review the link below ..................the purge has stopped according to ....................... !


      March 19, 2013 at 8:38 am |
    • End Religion

      ah yes, this has been based on my Father Hollywood poem. I can't wait to sue!!!

      March 19, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
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