Who is on God's side of the marriage debate?
March 25th, 2013
11:00 PM ET

Who is on God's side of the marriage debate?

By Dan Merica, CNN
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Washington (CNN) – As the Supreme Court considers two major same-sex marriage cases that could change marriage in the United States, religious leaders on both sides of the debate believe they are on God's side of the contentious issue.

In the months leading up to this week's Supreme Court hearings, religious leaders from across the country have held prayer vigils and rallies for their respective causes.

At each event, even those with diametrically opposed views, leaders cite biblical principles as the foundation for their beliefs.

"I believe I am on God's side," Dr. Richard Land, president of The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission and and opponent of same-sex marriage, told CNN. "I have no question in what God says marriage is."

"I do think we are on God's side because my idea of God is someone that is loving," said the Rev. Gary Hall, dean of the Washington National Cathedral and a proponent of same-sex marriage. "My understanding is that kind of God that loves everyone and wants everyone to live a joyful life."

This week, the Supreme Court will hear two cases. One will examine the constitutionality of Proposition 8, a law that prohibited same-sex marriage in California, and the other will test the Defense of Marriage Act, the 1996 legislation that forbids the recognition of same-sex marriages nationwide and bars married gay and lesbian couples from receiving federal benefits.

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Land and Hall each have actively worked on his side of this debate.

Hall, after taking the reins at the National Cathedral in 2012, decided to marry same-sex couples in the historic church. Land, who has counseled Republican presidents and members of Congress, has written and spoken at length about why same-sex marriage goes against biblical principles.

And although they both believe in the Bible, their opinions on how the text views same-sex marriage are shaped by their views on how literally to read the holy book.

"I come from a tradition that looks at the big story," said Hall, an Episcopalian. "The image of Jesus in the Bible is of someone who really makes everyone welcome, and it is from that perspective that I operate."

Hall acknowledges, however, that the Bible isn't the only guide for this belief.

"Our argument is not entirely scriptural-based," Hall said, after acknowledging passages of the holy book that define marriage as being between a man and a woman. "There is no place in the Bible that I can point to that says Jesus performed a same-sex marriage or anything like that."

In addition to scripture, Hall said, "tradition and reason" anchor his belief that same-sex couples should be allowed to wed. There are about 2 million Episcopalians in the United States.

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Land, on the other hand, cites the chapters and verses that guide his views on same-sex marriage.

"The people who take a more conservative view of the Bible and believe that they are under the authority of scripture almost universally oppose same-sex marriage," Land said about people who agree with him.

For Land, this view is not only consistent but  also roots his belief in "traditional values" and his disgust with "moral relativism."

Land, a Southern Baptist, continued: "The people who are religious and support same-sex marriage tend to take a Dalmatian view of scripture. They believe the Bible is divine in spots, and they think they can spot the spots."

If the Supreme Court decides in favor of same-sex marriage, Land said, the decision would be on par with the court's 1973 decision on Roe v. Wade, which affirmed a woman's right to an abortion.

"I think it will evoke a similar reaction," Land said.

Southern Baptists count 16 million members in the United States.

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This split over the biblical reasoning behind each side of the marriage debate extends beyond just Land and Hall, however. Churches around the country have been divided on the issue, with some choosing to allow same-sex marriage and others to forbid it.

The Rev. Jacqui Lewis, the senior minister at Middle Collegiate Church in New York who has worked with the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation on same-sex marriage, comes down in favor of same-sex marriage.

She uses the Bible - and civil rights - in her reasoning.

"I don't think that people who are supporting gay marriage need to distance themselves from the Bible in needing to find support," Lewis said. When asked about how the Bible anchors her beliefs, she cited Mark 12:31: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

On the other side of the argument is Robert Gagnon, a biblical scholar at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary who has worked with the Family Research Council on the issue.

"Only a woman is a true sexual compliment to a man and vice versa," said Gagnon, citing Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:24, along with the Gospels of Mark and Matthew, as the reasoning behind his view on same-sex marriage.

"That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh," reads Genesis 2:24.

As for how he feels about people such as Hall who use the Bible to defend their position in support of same-sex marriage: "You are rejecting Jesus himself. ... Just go ahead and make up your own religion."

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Gay marriage • Politics

soundoff (2,640 Responses)
  1. Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

    Some believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ. Some believe Obama is the Anti-Christ.

    Some believe that celibacy is appropriate for certain people, or for certain positions. It's ridiculous. Celibacy is unnatural and will continue to cause problems for the religious institutions that employ it.

    Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but don't understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease.

    In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of Lutheran CMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.

    One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.

    Conflicted and unfounded right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create divisions and more extremism as time goes by.

    March 26, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • Blake

      Read your bible and you will see their is no controversy. It is wrong and only those who choose to change the inspired word of God can see it any other way. Make your choice.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • Jeremy

      Blake – 'Read your bible and you will see their is no controversy.'

      LOL – no controversy? – LOL

      March 26, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
  2. GonzoG

    The Almighty, if He exists, promises to take care of His own Law enforcement regarding human's private lives.

    It is NOT for the State to decide which Biblical passages will be enforced by Police and Force of Law.

    March 26, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • frank

      The State must ensure equality among all citizens.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • Akira

      This is a civil issue. The Bible enters into the equation NOT AT ALL. We live is a secular society. The SCOTUS is not ruling on Biblical laws at ALL.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
  3. toydrum

    Personally, I am of the belief that the fundamental core of Christianity is love, not discrimination. However, whichever side you believe in is completely irrelevant in the question of civil marriage. Your individual church can approve or bless marriages or not, depending on your own views, but neither side should have any say in how the state treats its citizens.

    March 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Akira

      I agree completely.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
  4. Dave

    Which god?

    March 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
  5. Pliny

    The fact that you have to ask such a silly questoin about a 'god'....really explians what this whole thing is about.

    There is no such thing as 'god' in the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

    If anything, the only time 'god' should be mentioned is when someone asks the court to decide upon the existence of such a being.

    And we all know how THAT would end up.

    March 26, 2013 at 11:59 am |
  6. Tank

    I believe the Bible teaches us that God make man and women , that marriage is between man and woman so they would be fruitful and have families. Man and Man can not product or woman and woman. I am afraid that God is going to say enough, you don't believe in me and you don't do what I have commanded you in His Word. If God turns His back on America we will fall and trouble times will come. If think it is bad now . Look out. God is love true, but HIs demands our love for him. If we put anything before God , He will remove it from us. Think about that. Tank

    March 26, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "Tank", but all the junk with capital letters are elements of mythology, therefore your assertions are unfounded.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • sam

      Uh...'Tank'...first off, let's pretend there's a god and he gives a rat's ass.

      1) He gave us free will so he should bug off, and

      2) By your logic, infertile couples shouldn't be allowed to marry, either, and

      3) God shouldn't be paying attention to what America does. There are whole third world nations out there with starving kids. When he addresses that mess, I guess we can care what/if he thinks about gay marriage.

      Is it hard living with that kind of boogey man under your bed? Do you think god likes it when you talk about him like some scary vengeful weirdo?

      March 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • zandhcats

      I believe God creates man & woman, gays, good & bad people, and narrow minded people like you. God is very disappointed to see so many selfish of His followers like you to hate others.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • EJR17

      You may BELIEVE whatever you want. That's not what is being decided.
      The procreation argument cannot be taken seriously. States do not inquire whether straight couples intend to bear children, or have the capacity to have children, before they are allowed to marry. We permit marriage by the elderly, by prison inmates, and by persons who have no intention of having children.
      There simply is no reason not to allow gay couples the equal rights they deserve under the 14th. No reason not to allow them to be legally wed.
      God's laws do not apply to a secular society.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • A Traveler

      Tank: You can believe whatever you want. Just don't think that your belief trumps mine.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • Donna

      The Bible teaches a lot of things that Christians don't follow, like how to sell your daughter into slavery and how to commit genocide. Remember that many of those great Bible guys still had concubines, and that was seen as OK. If modern Christians can drift away from the biblical culture that condoned these and many other things we now consider wrong then they can also drift away from the ancient bigotry against gays. Many already have.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
  7. Mike

    If your -religion- wants to proscribe marriage between members -of your religion- that's fine for you. But what gives you the right to impose your -religious- belief on everyone else?

    Nothing. In the United States, you are specifically -not- allowed to impose -your- religion on anyone else.

    It really is that simple.

    March 26, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • Saraswati

      Are you under the impression that people are trying to force every American into a same-se.x marriage? If not, how is allowing people to marry going to affect you?

      March 26, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • TW

      Marriage is a tradition prescribed to different types of cultures, and in both secular and spiritual states legality issues. Instead of speaking as you do about imposing, you must realize "the law" imposes on ancient tradition all the time. A better view point, since we're talking imposition, would be to call "gay marriage" in legal script something besides marriage, like a union, because even if some nation, any nation decides "gay marriage" shall apply to any and all marriages, or it is but one type of a marriage, it cannot simply come in and decide that marriage traditions or societies that do not accept gay marriage now must do so, for whatever reasons. It might work on the outside, but it will be just words and forced issues. Better to call it something else besides marriage, because tradition marriage it is not, and gays cannot decide their new tradition will be the same, other than just words and secular laws, as those traditions. So call it something else. failing to understand this, is as self-fish as the "religious" bunch not recognizing gay marriage....they never will, big state laws or not, so call those "unions" something else and get on with it. Quit imposing yourselves, and that goes for both sides.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
  8. Dirk the Daring

    God is just like man made climate change....a fairy tale.

    March 26, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • TW

      really? So, like God whom you probably hate or at least by your standards call a lie, you ignore or dispute that they are spending billions of your money destroying the environment with geo-engineering, because of the imaginary "climate change", it is called a lie and fairy tale too, but it sure does exists and is right in front of your eyes, but I bet you don't see it, because you are blind or ignorant. Could be you have the same problems with God.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
  9. ImLook'nUp

    God joined male and female together. It's forever lovely!

    March 26, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • HA25

      If it's so divinely lovely – why don't we teach it in church or show movies of it in Sunday School?? Why no images of the "joining" of man and women in stained glass?

      March 26, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
  10. Meowser

    Any time you reach for your Bible to augment your argument all you do is weaken your point.

    This is a civil rights issue. We live in a country of laws and abide by the Const-itution. Whatever your religious book of rules says is irrelevant.

    March 26, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • truth truth truth 2013

      You are right about one thing. What you just said you are not apart of his KINGDOM

      March 26, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • Doris

      True. True.

      March 26, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry, "truth truth truth 2013", but "his KINGDOM" is an element of mythology, therefore your assertion is unfounded.

      March 26, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • Akira

      Truth x3, you may certainly live by God's laws. In the secular United States, those laws do not apply. Sorry.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • *

      truth truth truth 2013
      " What you just said you are not apart of his KINGDOM"

      "not apart" means not separated. Maybe you could learn some truth about spelling.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • FreeThought

      You believers might have something to say if you follow all the rules of the bible, if not f... off.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • TW

      You live in a heathen state which lies to the population, sells your natural resources and rights to the highest bidder, covers up it's mistakes and lies, legal or not, because it can, but you want to say you're a nation of laws? You're a nation of hypocrisy and lies, and a failing state. You can hate religion, or God, yet your nation of laws will outlive neither, so get over your great self. Every time you reach for the mighty law, or talk about how great your nation of laws is, you make it hard to take you seriously, outside of knowing this nation of laws you speak of is, like I said, a godless, heathen state, no legitimacy except control by imprisonment and the gun, none. So keep spouting the civil rights rhetoric, you have no rights except for what those in control want to extend to you, it is not a common sense issue, it is a control issue, much like your imaginary God.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • HA25

      Thanks TW – I was wondering when a member of the Westboro Baptist Church nut jobs would post here.

      Truth Truth T... Saying that word a bunch doesn't make it True. You really need to look up the definition of Truth. Also parrish / perish.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
  11. Gave Them Up

    Science has come up with a theory of the brain being hard wired for a belief in God. You have to work at it to disbelieve and the result is the wrong gods. It looks like God did what He could to help you.

    March 26, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Doobs

      I'm sure you'll be providing a citation for this peer reviewed, documented research.

      March 26, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • Saraswati

      The research indicates that the brain is hard-wired to come up with simplified explanations and in some people this trait is stronger than in others. The brains of many are also hard wired to eat lots of sugar and fatty foods – that doesn't mean that in this day and age that's a good thing to be doing. What worked for survival 5000 years ago is not what works today.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • Abraham

      "You have to work at it to disbelieve." Forgive me if I am mistaken, but isn't it religion that more or less demands weekly re-education sessions to keep the fragile, ridiculous faith fresh in the mind?
      How do you explain the billions of Hindus, who, by your logic, were born hard-wired to believe in Vishnu?

      March 26, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • Gave Them Up

      I'm not sure about the peer pressure. You can do your own research to mock the scientist. Cnn put out the floater.


      March 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • Donna

      Correction: Science has determined that people are hardwired to believe in gods. Your's just happens to be the most popular one still taken seriously by some people, that's all. The same "wiring" likely makes us superst.itious along many lines.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • Vic

      Read the paragraph starting with "We are programmed.."


      March 26, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
  12. Live4Him

    I, too, have made a wee-little book from the same materials, which I call the Philosophy of Jesus; it is a paradigma of his doctrines, made by cutting the texts out of the book, and arranging them on the pages of a blank book, in a certain order of time or subject. A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian

    Thomas Jefferson in Twelve Volumes. Federal Edition. Collected and Edited by Paul Leicester Ford, Monticello, January 9, 1816.

    March 26, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • FYI

      Jefferson's condensed composition is especially notable for its exclusion of all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages indicating Jesus was divine. –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

      March 26, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • James Madison

      During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

      Every new & successful example therefore of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance. And I have no doubt that every new example, will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.

      The Civil Govt, tho' bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability and performs its functions with complete success, Whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the Priesthood, & the devotion of the people have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the Church from the State.

      (4th POTUS, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & the Bill of Rights)

      March 26, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • John Adams

      The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

      Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • Abraham

      Mr. Adams, thank you for weighing in. Your input is timely and valuable.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • Paul

      Jefferson's condensed composition is especially notable for its exclusion of all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels which contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages indicating Jesus was divine. –http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

      Live4Him, wouldn't this make him not a real Christian, at least according to your standards?

      March 26, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
  13. JAM



    Who is on God's side in the marriage debate?

    The fact that the almighty has to be represented breaks down the whole religious argument and the debate should be over!

    March 26, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • TW

      The Priests Of God and The World Council are not religious organizations, maybe you should quit talking about the failed churches, your failed nation states, and some fantasy about a nation of laws and ask those people what they think of your situation, I bet they say let gays unite under secular law except don't call it marriage. If you seek those people you will find they are for "civil rights" much more than some young nation which deludes itself as to its greatness. Do a web search for The Book Of Divinity, they are not hard to find. Your great nation still arrests people and prosecutes them for plants, such a nation cannot speak for much, much less tell people how they must live, because it is not even out of the dark ages in many ways.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
  14. truth truth truth 2013

    Are you serious? CNN did you just ask who side GOD is on in this debate. Let me be clear, I want this to go around the world for those of you who think GOD is not going to send you straight to hell for being bay, lesbian and other sins that you do not repent from and turn from that sin and choose to serve JESUS. I promise you this on our day of judgement many will say i did not no this was wrong and the word of GOD will say my people shall parrish for lack of knowlledge. Meaning you choose your own self rightousness instead of seeking JESUS CHRIST who we know was here on this earth without sin. So you can rationalize all you want but each one of us who are saved know when we are doing something wrong against GODS HOLY WORD but all of you who are not children of GOD are the children of the devil and you are not expected to see that this gay lifestyle is wrong and until you come out of self rightousness you will not see the truth and you will face his rath one day and you will not have cnn their to buffer your lifestlye and be your advocate during your day before GOD. Last thing GOD sees and hears everything and what i have just type i pray that he is pleased that i stood up for him and the GOSPEL of JESUS CHRIST.

    March 26, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • JAM

      Then why does god need a lawyer?

      March 26, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Sarah

      I suppose you came to this conclusion because you have discussed this in depth with god in person and have seen him. Or maybe its because you have come to your own conclusion and are using god to justify it. Using god this way never works.

      March 26, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • Dan

      Actually it asked who is on God's side. Either way God is a mythical space being. The Bible was written by humans and quite frankly is boring.

      March 26, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • Sarah

      I bet god flies around the world at such a high rate of speed that he can read everyone's emails. He has these special eyes that pop out everywhere to help read all the emails and internet postings. Reading emails from everyone in the world is the most important work he has to do.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • Abraham

      Blah blah blah. You have a mental disorder.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • sam

      I love random CAPITALIZED WORDS because it makes them SEEM TOTALLY LEGIT.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • Which God?

      truth 2013 I also want it to go around the world... that you are an idiot, and your god is an impotent myth.. If it exists, it would be a sniveling, psychopathic, sociopath with delusions of grandeur.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Austin

      the God that bears the truth through the Holy Spirit. The supernatural sovereign Lord.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
    • moakley

      All right truth trott your god out here. Let's have a look at it.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
  15. Vic

    In response to this:

    !!Jesus Christ solved the S I N PROBLEM!!

    Matthew 12:31,32
    "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come."

    Mark 16:16
    "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned."

    John 3:16
    "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

    Acts 2:21
    "And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

    Acts 15:11
    "But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”

    Acts 16:30,31
    "and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”"

    Romans 5:9,10
    "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life."

    Romans 10:9
    "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;"

    Romans 10:13
    "for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”"

    [All above Scripture is from New American Standard Bible (NASB)]

    March 26, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • truth truth truth 2013

      When you have been enligtned with tis GOSPEL you will repent and power of the HOLY SPIRIT will you turn away from your sins, and when you do sin which we will if you have same HOLY SPIRIT that raise JESUS from the dead you will begin turn away from the things that are not of CHRIST. If that is not happening to you ask GOD to show the way by submittting yourself to him and he will help you.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Abraham

      Once again the Bible proves the Bible because the Bible says it does. The barbaric ideologies of your bronze-age middle eastern cult are no longer relevant to life on earth.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • Vic

      Believing in Jesus Christ as Lord and personal Savior wipes out ALL your s i n s, past, present and future!!!

      !Blasphemy/Disbelief is the ONLY UNFORGIVABLE S I N!

      March 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • Which God?

      Vic, your use of verses from a debunked book of myth is absolutely worthless. There is no authority in it. None. It is not a book of law. It is useless. Go home little boy, your mommy has more myths to read to you, so you can be scared of an all-loving sadist.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • Peregrine

      "alls I heard was blah blah blah, I'm a dirty tramp"

      March 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Abraham

      Vic, how nice that simply by believing in a mythology you can absolve yourself of any and all personal responsibility in this, the only life that we know we have.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
  16. mtjh

    let God speak for him/her self – and I mean literally speak...not the bible. Hear anything? I don't.....

    March 26, 2013 at 11:51 am |
    • truth truth truth 2013

      If you are a disciple of CHRIST you will stand up for this GOSPEL with love of course

      March 26, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • Which God?

      I do hear crickets. 🙂

      March 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
  17. God (the real one)

    None of you humans are on my side. I am omnicient and omnipotent, therefore you cannot possibly know what my side is, let alone align yourselves with it.

    March 26, 2013 at 11:50 am |
    • truth truth truth 2013

      playing with GOD is not a good thing. He sees and hears everything

      March 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • truth truth truth 2013

      By the way sir we are GODS children not his humans. see thats how GOD exposes you for who you really are

      March 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • HA25

      You sure showed him, Truth. Keep up the good work! The Lord will Provide! For you and your 15 children...

      March 26, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • Abraham

      @truth truth truth 2013 – we are all Yahweh's children. But he sent his only son to die for us. But his son was actually him. So we're all Yahweh, making the worship of Yahweh completely redundant. Right?

      March 26, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
  18. Sly

    Boy, I've read stupid articles before, but this one takes the cake.

    Who the hell cares what cats, dogs, rocks, trees, trolls, Santa Claus, the Red Sox or God thinks about 2 humans signing some legal contract?

    I really wish we could eliminate any reference to 'God' when trying to report the worlds news.

    March 26, 2013 at 11:50 am |
  19. Fundies Are Panicking!

    . . . .

    March 26, 2013 at 11:50 am |
  20. Live4Him

    @clarity : One poster asked what kind of evidence would be sufficient for proving the historical Jesus that is reflected as the Christ character in the Bible.

    1) 99.9% accurate transmission of the NT manuscripts over the last 1940 years.
    2) The NT Manuscripts were treated as authentic by the earliest church leaders, to whom they were sent.
    3) Today's canon were complied from previous canons created by the earliest church leaders.
    4) All attributes of Christ predate any and all similar attributes that were post-attributed to existing pagan deities.

    March 26, 2013 at 11:49 am |
    • Saraswati

      Ah yes, god is real because Christians say the bible is true.

      March 26, 2013 at 11:50 am |
    • clarity

      That's all nice and self-serving in the way of what you, in your usual gullible way, accept as "evidence". But the charge of 'diabolical mimicry' is from the early Christian apologists themselves. If they were able to easily prove then the validity of the writings with a reasonable explanation, I'm sure they would have jumped at the opportunity. But no, they had to come up with this whacky idea that Satan had plagiarized in reverse time order. Of course it's easy to get people to believe and be scared once you bring "Satan" into the picture.

      March 26, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • Live4Him

      @Saraswati : Ah yes, god is real because Christians say the bible is true.

      Ah yes, god is not real because Atheists say the bible is not true.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • Saraswati


      The problem for you is that there are thousands of books and myths talking about gods and creation. All most atheists say is that you have no reason to pick one over another. Your claim is that your book is special. That's all you've ever presented.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • Rap is not music

      @Live4Him, Ah yes, but if you actually read it, then you know it isn't true. It states that no one knows the time of the son's return. No one but "the father." However, The son (the guy who was allegedly crucified) on multiple occasions in the NT openly claims to know when he will return. In fact, he states that he will return before some of the people he was telling this to would die.

      You see, it completely contradicts itself on the very foundation of its structure.

      Therefore, as a FACT, it is not true. Not because an atheist said it isn't. But because the text itself proves itself to be false.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • Science


      Origin of Life: Natural Cause no god(s) required.

      Hypothesis Traces First Protocells Back to Emergence of Cell Membrane Bioenergetics

      December 20, 2012 — A coherent pathway – which starts from no more than rocks, water and carbon dioxide and leads to the emergence of the strange bio-energetic properties of living cells – has been traced for the ...


      March 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • Live4Him

      @clarity : the charge of 'diabolical mimicry' is from the early Christian apologists themselves. If they were able to easily prove then the validity of the writings with a reasonable explanation, I'm sure they would have jumped at the opportunity. But no

      Non-sequitor. You've presumed that they did not provide any evidence of the validity, and yet never provided any empirical support for such a conclusion. If pagan religions attempted to mimic Christian teachings, then it would be foolish to not challenge such deception. We find evidence of that these 'diabolical mimicry' did indeed occur, given the following empirical evidence:

      1) Early Christian apologists raised the charge of 'diabolical mimicry', and
      2) There are no pagan writing prior to the time of Christ that had such attributes associated with the pagan deities.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • Abraham

      Live4Him, have you not considered how awkward it would be if there is a god AND the Bible is not true? You assume that if there is a god, it must be yours. Terribly arrogant.

      March 26, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Paul

      Unless the pagan stories were first the early Christians would have had no need to make up the whole written by Satan thing. This leads me to believe that the Jesus Myth is nothing but a combination of previous myths from different cultures of the area. Or are you suggesting that early Christians just started claiming that stories that never existed were written by the devil to make Christianity look bad? If as you claim, none of the pagan stories existed before Jesus then why would early Christians need to say anything about them at all?

      March 26, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
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