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March 29th, 2013
05:57 PM ET

Joel Osteen dismisses "The Bible" controversy

By Jake Tapper, CNN

Televangelist Joel Osteen is a consultant on the History Channel's series, "The Bible," which has become a runaway success. More than 10 million people watched last week's episode, and nearly 14 million watched the debut. Osteen's friend Mark Burnett produces the show.

Osteen is not surprised by the success.

"There are a lot of people of faith still in our country and when somebody takes a step of faith like Mark and [co-executive producer Roma Downey] did, people want to get behind it and see good quality, you know, production of something that's ... dear to all of our hearts, and that is the scripture and the bible," said Osteen.

Osteen also dismissed the controversy surrounding the actor cast as Satan bearing a resemblance in some people's minds to President Obama.

"I felt like it was nonsense," says Osteen. "People can draw funny conclusions."

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- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Christianity

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  1. Fundies Gone Wild! They are Panicking!

    It's time they made a movie about all the snake oil salesmen. They can start with Benny Hinn.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-04VDrCbM

    March 30, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • Magnificent New Channel - MUST SEE!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW3PBK6GOv0

      March 30, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • Fundies Gone Wild!

      LOL Re: "magnificent new channel" from creationtard Eric Hovind – son of convicted tax dodger Kent Hovind whose occupation is listed by Wikipedia as "Evangelist, Christian theme park operator" and whose residence is listed as "incarcerated at the Federal Correctional Institution at Berlin, New Hampshire by the Federal Bureau of Prisons".

      LOL

      March 30, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • Fundies Gone Wild!

      (and of course we would never let those tards teach that crap in our public schools)

      March 30, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • MNCMS

      to Fundies Gone Wild! They are Panicking!

      Take it to the streets !

      Education works best in public schools !

      March 30, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
  2. Joel Oilsheen

    Send me more money, sheeple, so I can put even more grease in my hair. Soon I'll have more oil in it than Texas.

    March 30, 2013 at 9:39 am |
    • Denise

      You got the oily hair part right. Send some shampoo to Osteen, not your hard-earned money. What a greaseball.

      March 30, 2013 at 10:17 am |
    • MUST SEE Creatard Pwnage Par Excellence

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QIrfxj02pQ&feature=player_embedded

      March 30, 2013 at 10:39 am |
  3. Reality

    Joel, Joel, Joel,

    Countering your curly hair and gift of thu-mping biblical nonsense speak:

    Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    March 30, 2013 at 7:52 am |
  4. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    March 30, 2013 at 6:19 am |
    • Science

      Where you praying for this ? Please share at Easter Mass thanks.

      Scientists say they've found a "God particle"

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-205_162-57574247/scientists-say-theyve-found-a-god-particle/

      March 30, 2013 at 7:13 am |
    • Austin

      do we have teeth in heaven?

      March 30, 2013 at 7:55 am |
    • midwest rail

      Dunno about teeth – what about censorship ?

      March 30, 2013 at 7:57 am |
    • Del

      You are being watched, and the CIA is after you. You are the news paper and blog removal squad. Remember how Hitler was transported by Alien spacecraft? Do you have any white in your eyes? How tall are are you? What is the circ.umfrence of your skull?

      March 30, 2013 at 8:19 am |
    • midwest rail

      Del – trolling should never be that boring.

      March 30, 2013 at 8:20 am |
    • .

      all particles are God particles

      March 30, 2013 at 9:36 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      March 30, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • Really?

      "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"

      That's why the data; has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie!

      March 30, 2013 at 10:13 am |
    • Vic

      Regarding the Higgs Boson Particle:

      [
      "It is looking very much like the Standard Model Higgs boson—although there may be a very massive Higgs particle that also exists. Our experiment is sensitive enough to detect massive Higgs bosons, but we may simply not yet have enough data," says Joseph Incandela, the spokesman for the CMS (Compact Muon Solenoid) experiment at the LHC, one of the two experiments that detected the current Higgs particle.

      March 26, 2013

      http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-the-higgs-boson-might-spell-doom-for-the-universe
      ]

      [
      Vic

      Keep up to date!!

      The Higgs Boson Latest Discovery:

      It may be a Higgs Boson with a spin! It is not yet proven to be the Particle Physics Standard Model Higgs Boson (Spin-0, a Scalar!) The Particle Physics Standard Model can ONLY be completely proven by a Spin-0, a Scalar Higgs Boson Particle!

      March 28, 2013 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
      ]

      March 30, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • Science

      Hey vic

      Have funny urls too

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/09/my-take-a-word-to-christians-be-nice/ page77............................ wont work

      But this one does !

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/28/my-faith-why-im-going-back-to-church-for-good-friday/comment-page-2/#comments

      March 30, 2013 at 11:25 am |
  5. Atheist, me?

    Oh boy oh boy oh boy
    So the Atheists have been busy spreading their own contorted version of what the Bible says on slavery.
    1) A slave was bought at a price determined by the number of years he should serve and the minimum wage.
    2)He had to sell himself or more appropriately his services. No kidnapping to sell anyone on pain of death.
    3) A slave woman cannot just be used as a s.ex object. If you sleep with her you two are automatically married and she cannot be sold on but only divorced. She has full rights as a wife.
    3) Children of a slave woman turned wife are legitimate heirs of their father and freeborn men.
    4) You could not return a runaway slave to his master!
    5) A senior slave inherits a childless man rather than his next of kin.
    Compare this to the trans Atlantic slave trade where
    a) slaves were sold at any price for life.
    b) All slaves were kidnapped and sold by raiding parties in Africa to the highest bidder!
    c) slave women were routinely ra.ped with no legal consequences.
    d) slave masters fathered children who were termed b.ast.ards. Also they were slaves. Above all they were not to be considered as their father's race under any circ.umstance.
    d) Slaves were routinely returned to face torture when they run away!

    March 30, 2013 at 6:16 am |
    • Atheist, me?

      These laws would have made the trans-Atlantic slave trade unsustainable and integrated the slaves into white society as equals sooner rather than later!

      March 30, 2013 at 6:23 am |
    • Bieberhole69

      Citations for each of your claims, with the exact scripture quotation for each of your assertions please. Oh and without your interjected opinion, just facts.

      March 30, 2013 at 7:56 am |
    • Atheist, me?

      Oh so you want me to just give you citations, yeah!
      Ok then read the 1st 5 books of the Bible. Happy reading and don't sleep at Numbers! lol

      March 30, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • Instead of stealing handles

      Atheist, Me?

      I have a question. If the Bible is the word of god and god gives us our morality and spends a lot of time spelling out mundane rules on how to live why didn't he say "don't own other people, no exceptions"? Don't give me a bunch of bull about "that is just the way it was in the world back then" either....

      March 30, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      I am absolutely staggered by all these apologists for biblical slavery crawling out of the woodwork.

      The bible is very clear on this topic. It establishes one set of rules for "servants" * who are Jewish and another set of rules (pretty much a free for all**) for gentile slaves owned by Jews.

      * Essentially indentured servitude with some quid pro quo.

      ** Just don't beat them so hard that they die in less than two days. If they die after three days – no problem.

      You people cannot rationalize your way out of simple historical realities:
      1. Slavery is condoned in the bible.
      2. Morality is relative – what was socially acceptable in bronze age cultures is not socially acceptable in the 21st century.

      Deal with it. Free free to believe in your God, but please apply some critical thinking. There are no moral absolutes.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
  6. holyvood r us

    Zee amerikans r slafes.

    March 30, 2013 at 3:42 am |
  7. Instead of stealing handles

    Why don't we have a coversation about why the god you worship claims to love us unconditionally....and then sets down a couple of conditions for his love/

    March 30, 2013 at 1:54 am |
    • Roth

      If you buy a TV with an unconditional money back guarantee, they still put bounds around the guarantee. They stipulate that you can't intentionally damage it, or have damage from a lightning strike, flood, etc...

      March 30, 2013 at 3:39 am |
    • Joel Oilsheen

      That's not unconditional. That's super sleazy and greasy, just like me. Just give me your money, buy the Christian used car, and ignore the fine print conditions and other contradictions. You don't need brakes most of the time anyway and what's a dropped transmission between friends...

      March 30, 2013 at 9:42 am |
    • Instead of stealing handles

      Roth,

      Ummm, all you did was explain that stores deceive people about the use of the word "unconditional" like your religion does.

      March 30, 2013 at 11:11 am |
  8. End Religion

    an evil person is using my handle bar to spread evil. May the Lord God Almighty deal with you, because Im a believer, I repented of all my evil sins and believe now in Jesus as my Lord and Saviour and he is the Son of God.

    March 30, 2013 at 1:19 am |
    • History Channel's "The Bible" Parts 3 & 4 - In Under 11 Minutes!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTRn28iZD_g

      March 30, 2013 at 5:52 am |
  9. Blessed are the Cheesemakers

    Jesus is the grrrrrrrreat one, Jesus is the lord of all, he is the son of God.

    March 30, 2013 at 1:16 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Oh wait, I changed my mind again, Jesus is an asshat....

      March 30, 2013 at 1:38 am |
  10. Denise

    Stop and desist of using my handle for evil, I'm not going to hell, I believe in Jesus, because he is the son of God.

    March 30, 2013 at 1:15 am |
    • Denise

      Christianity is mostly fiction. There's no hell and Jesus was a mortal who is long dead and rotted into nothing.

      Joel Osteen is an uber-oily con man. What a greasy guy. Only stupid people fall for his oil-slicked spiel.

      March 30, 2013 at 10:16 am |
  11. Logic

    1. True fact: Everything that isn't infinite has a cause.
    2. True fact numero dos: None of those things can cause themselves, because that would be stupid.
    3. One more true-ass fact for y'all, just 'cuz I'm feeling generous: A causal chain can't be of infinite length.
    4. Where does that leave us? Glad you asked. It leaves us with some irrefutable-ass knowledge that there has to be a first cause of everything. This may surprise you, but I'm going to go ahead and call that first cause G to the O to the motherfarking D. Boom.

    March 29, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
    • Logic

      1. Yo, have you ever you noticed that the hotter something gets, the closer it gets to being, like, the hottest thing in the world?
      2. And don't you think that's kind of true of, like, everything? Like, the more intense that something gets, the closer it gets to being, like, the most totally intense version of that thing?
      3. But anyway, so that made me think that there's gotta be something that has all the properties to the max. You know? And then I was like, oh, shoot, I just proved God again.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
    • Logic

      Logic: Oh, hey there, Mr. Atheist — quick question for you — do you accept that if there is a God that our understanding of Him is as a being who is so farcking awesome that it would be impossible to imagine something more awesome?
      atheist: Sure, OK, whatever, but I still don't think that being actually exists.
      Logic: Yeah, but your idea of it exists in your mind, doesn't it?
      atheist: Yeeeeeeah, so what?
      Logic: Well, I was just thinking that something that exists in reality is even better than some dumb thing that only exists in your mind. Right?
      atheist: Duh, yes, obvs. Where are you going with this, Anselm?
      Logic: Where I am going with this is that if God exists in your mind, which you ALREADY ADMITTED THAT HE DOES, then we can imagine something that's even better than that — a God that exists in reality.
      atheist: And?
      Logic: Remember how we started off by agreeing that we can't imagine something better than God?
      atheist: Uh-oh.
      Logic: Yeah. You just got owned. QED, biatch.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      Calls himself/herself Logic, and then sets up several straw men. Religies never fail to amuse.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:39 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      4. Where does that leave us?

      That leaves you committing a logical fallacy called "special pleading".....good job

      March 29, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
    • Pinto

      Yeah, I just smoked a doob and proved that the universe is contained in my left thumbnail.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:45 pm |
    • Dean Wormer

      Fat, drunk, and stupid isn't the way to go through life, Logic.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
    • Jeff Grant

      You totally suck at proselytizing, dude. Crash, already.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
    • End Religion

      Logic may just have invented a new fallacy, "super special pleading."

      March 30, 2013 at 12:30 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      I'm a beloved believer now and forever more. Jesus is my Savior, Jesus is my lord i'm his servant, I don't want to go to hell. Thats why I choose to believe rather than fry in hell forever.

      March 30, 2013 at 1:13 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Stealing handles is puerile.

      Get over yourself.

      March 30, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
  12. Erik The Not Fred

    Joel Osteen = all grease all the time. He exudes oiliness. What a creep. He is a disservice to used car salespeople everywhere.

    March 29, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
    • Cat Holic

      And Joel does it all with a glint in his eyes

      March 29, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
    • Jester

      That's not a glint, Cat. That's grease.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
  13. Denise

    Joel Osteen is a greaseball. And that applies to his preaching as well as his hair.

    March 29, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
    • Jester

      Grease is the Word.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:42 pm |
  14. Vic

    I have watched Joel Osteen's service on Sunday for a while, and I loved it!!! The guy delivers the message of Salvation of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ without judgement nor condemnation and gives hope to everyone!!! That brings TRUE FAITH in people!!! That is TRUE WITNESS to the Lord Jesus Christ!!!

    God Bless.

    March 29, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
    • The Bottom Line

      And, verily, give your dollars to Joel Osteen, for truly he needs more designer suits and Italian sports cars, in the greater glory of God, of course.

      And every flock needs someone to fleece them . . .

      March 29, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
    • Denise

      TBL, and he needs more grease for his hair too. He could power all his cars with the oil slick his hair leaves behind.

      Joel Osteen is a con artist plain and simple, and a particularly greasy one.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Well we wouldn't need salvation without condemnation right? He may not mention it, but it is still there. And everyone then "feels" good which means more money for Joel....great scam

      March 29, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      What are you people talking about? Osteen is a hero of the free market! The guy makes millions for reciting myths to a gullible congregation every Sunday. You should all be applauding this fine man for his enterprise.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
  15. The Prosperity Gospel

    @ Moby Schtick

    If you use a computer – you are probably supporting slavery.

    March 29, 2013 at 9:58 pm |
    • The Prosperity Gospel

      http://thecnnfreedomproject.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/29/are-you-a-slavery-free-consumer/

      March 29, 2013 at 10:05 pm |
    • Erik The Not Fred

      That does not excuse the Christian bible's explicit support for slavery. 2 wrongs don't make a right, and that holyroly book is supposed to be from a caring deity. What a load of horse manure it is.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
    • The Prosperity Gospel

      Slavery predates Christianity.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
    • Dinesh

      Isn't it remarkable that atheists, who did virtually nothing to oppose slavery, condemn Christians, who are the ones who abolished it?

      March 29, 2013 at 10:32 pm |
    • William

      My family was owned by Methodists who lost everything trying to defend slavery. All that's left of them to my knowledge is their name. Which I have.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:35 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Dinesh,

      what "atheists" existed in 1865?

      March 29, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      The only prominent American 'atheist' of the civil war era that I am aware of is Robert Ingersoll – "the great agnostic".

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_G._Ingersoll

      He fought for the Union.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
    • Dinesh

      Slavery pre-dated Christianity by centuries and even millennia. And it had no critics.

      Who were the early opponents of slavery before the Christians?

      Yes, Christians participated, but also have been leading the end of slavery.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      eff'n lol at GOPer

      March 29, 2013 at 10:44 pm |
    • Dinesh

      Atheists who champion ancient Greece and pre-Christian Rome somehow seem to forget that those empires were based on large-scale enslavement.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      No, dipsh!t, answer the question. What atheists were around sticking up for slavery, Dinesh? Are we supposed to let you make stupid accusations and just waltz around to the other side? This isn't church, you know.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:46 pm |
    • Dinesh

      When black slaves sought to find dignity during the dark night of slavery, they didn't turn to Marcus Aurelius or David Hume; they turned to the Bible.

      When they sought hope and inspiration for liberation, they found it not in Voltaire or D'Holbach but in the Book of Exodus.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:46 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Holy sh!t you're a moron.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • Dinesh

      Joseph Stalin? I don't know. Nobody wrote down what the atheists were saying? They probably were rude like you and people just ignored them.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • Dinesh

      Richard Dawkins' family fortune came from slavery. No slavery, no father to the new atheists.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
    • Dinesh

      Ancestors of secularist campaigner Richard Dawkins made their fortune from the slave trade, it has been revealed.

      The outspoken atheist, who once branded the Catholic Church 'evil', is the direct descendent of Henry Dawkins who owned 1,013 slaves in Jamaica until he died in 1744.

      His 400-acre family estate, Over Norton Park near Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire, is believed to have been bought with money made through slave ownership hundreds of years ago...

      Richard's son, Henry, married into another of Jamaica's powerful slave trading families and left 1,013 slaves worth £40,736 when he died 1744.

      The links with slavery continue down the family tree.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
    • Dinesh

      and in 1796 another ancestor, James Dawkins, voted against William Wilberforce's plans to abolish the slave trade

      March 29, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • Dinesh

      William Wilberforce was a devout Christian, philanthropist,abolitionist, and the leader of the campaign against the Slave Trade.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Hmmm... let me see... Richard Dawkins had a grandparent who used slavery as was common at the time. Not good, but nothing Dawkins can do about it.

      Then, an all-powerful god who only gives laws on HOW to enslave and does not make it illegal.

      Your god is the fvckup.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Dinesh,

      with all the multiple 'great awakenings' of the 18th century there weren't any visible atheists in the United States. It was the 'unbelief that dared not speak it's name'.

      Robert Ingersoll might have run for President – but he knew he would never get elected because of his views on religion and other topics like rights for women.

      Slavery in the United States was supported by Christians who saw it as God's will, defending it with scripture and opposed by Christians who saw it as not God's will attacking it with scripture.

      The abolishionist movement was started in Britain. Importation of slaves into the colonies was banned in 1807 and the inst!tution was banned throughout the empire in 1833. It all started with a legal opinion based on English common law.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • Dinesh

      Involuntary servitude is not Biblical. There are laws about slavery. Slavery exists. Christian countries are the first to fight against – not for – slavery.

      This originally led to serfdom... which wasn't so great either.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:01 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Sorry – 19th not 18th century.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Dinesh,

      "Involuntary servitude is not Biblical.

      If you mean that slavery predates the bible – sure. Who's arguing that. But the bible (specifically Leviticus) both codifies and condones the inst!tution of slavery for the Israelites to own use and sell slaves.

      Anyone who says the whole Bible, including the OT, is the inerrant word of God, is explicitly saying that slavery is OK by God.

      "you may buy slaves" etc.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Dinesh,

      ... and by the way, why do you people think that atheists worship Richard Dawkins?

      I've not read his book. I'm not sure I ever will.

      While it is interesting from an academic standpoint to learn about people in ages past – history is important – but really, relative to him, who cares what his ancestors did? Is he not his own person?

      Should we tear down the University of Virginia because it was founded with the money of slave owners?

      March 29, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
    • Dinesh

      Why does God allow atheism?

      March 29, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Dinesh,

      That is best explained by the non-existence of God.

      Have you considered that as a possibility?

      March 29, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
    • Dinesh

      Slavery is humanely regulated in the legal portions of the Old Testament, and in the epistles of the New Testament slaveholders are exhorted to show kindness to slaves. In most cases the life of a slave was not much different from the life of any lower-class worker.
      It was similar to how America operates today – ever served in the military?

      March 29, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
    • Dinesh

      – Why does God allow atheism?
      I didn't post that.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Dinesh,

      " In most cases the life of a slave was not much different from the life of any lower-class worker."

      This is delusional. The experience of humans as owned property/chattels no doubt varied according to their masters. Some no doubt were treated well and some no doublt were abused physically and sëxually – just like slaves throughout all time. Being a low-class worker in antiquity probably wasn't much fun either.

      If slavery were so great, why so many slave revolts throughout history?

      In any case if you are making the point that morality is relative, then I am compelled to agree with you. It is.

      Thankfully, the US military is voluntary. You don't have to sign up. If you are talking about conscription, then I would agree with you. It is very similar to slavery.

      And people steal handles here all the time. It happened to me earlier. It is very childish. See page one of this topic for examples.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      I hate to 'hit and run' but I am tired and I need to sign off.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Dinesh,

      I agree, the OT specifically says "don't beat your slaves until they are dead". What more could we morally ask for from our Supreme moral law giver? Sheesh

      March 29, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • clarity

      "Atheists who champion ancient Greece and pre-Christian Rome somehow seem to forget that those empires were based on large-scale enslavement."

      Whaaaat?

      What kind of BS is this? Sounds like somewhere half-way between lol?? and Tarver. So just any ancients, regardless of their beliefs, were atheists, because they were not Christian – at least that's how I would summarize several of these posts by "Dinesh".

      March 29, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
    • clarity

      Well, also, trying to build a case that all atheists "champion" a particular group of people is also silly.

      March 30, 2013 at 12:02 am |
    • clarity

      . . . any particular group of ancient people is also silly.

      March 30, 2013 at 12:04 am |
  16. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    @TPG,

    working for wages is not slavery. While the analogy is often made in jest, in earnest it is a grotesque notion.

    By the sound of your rationaliztion I'm getting the impression that your great great grandpappy owned slaves and you are having have a hard time dealing with this.

    March 29, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      oops – wrong spot – reposted below.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:52 pm |
  17. Typical Internet Atheist

    “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.”
    Ex 21:20-21 (ESV)

    It clearly says you can beat your slave!!!!!! How can you not see that!1!!

    * YOU WANT THE TRUTH (warning not from a loonie atheist website):

    *It does not.

    * The text is describing what the punishment is *for* beating one’s slave.

    March 29, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      "for the slave is his MONEY" -god of the babble

      March 29, 2013 at 9:43 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      And what again is the punishment for a slave who "survives for a day or two"?

      Nothing. The bible says it's OK to beat your slave so long as they don't die in the first two days after the beating.

      How blind can you people be?

      March 29, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Ancient Israelite:

      "So Luke, I'm really p!ssed off at this new slave of mine, and I want to beat him to death. How did you do it last year where the guy lived for almost four days and then he died? No punishment for that, right? You just went on about your week, as I recall."

      Babblegawd:

      "Ha! That Luke and Zedechiah, there always crackin' me up!! Them's my boiiiiiieeees!! Just make sure they live a while, fellas!! Waht uP?!!"

      March 29, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
    • Dinesh

      – The bible says it's OK to beat your slave so long as they don't die in the first two days after the beating.

      No it does not. It describes the punishment for the beater.

      March 29, 2013 at 11:26 pm |
    • TANK!!!!

      The buybull doesn't even bother with the ethical questions of slavery, but goes straight to regulating it. What better endorsement could there be?

      March 29, 2013 at 11:48 pm |
  18. Sensible

    Whoever Truth is...you can't be serious with your comments. You must be bored and just have nothing better to do. Your comments about the bible not condoning slavery are laughable at best. Go away until you want to posit something a little more serious.

    March 29, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
    • The Prosperity Gospel

      There are different types of slave. Some slaves are voluntary and some are not. The act of slavery isn't necessarily a bad thing it is our modern concept of it that makes it like this.

      The slave came under the protection and providence of the master while he provided service. Of course, some masters were harsh and treated slaves poorly which would not be acceptable to God.

      If you were without a way to supply your needs would you offer yourself in servitude to someone who would feed and shelter you and your family?

      March 29, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @TPG,

      surely you are joking?

      We're not talking about indentures here where there is some quid pro quo.

      You think anyone would want their family to become the property (including sëxual property) of their slave master?

      So why did the Roman slave revolt (think Spartacus) take place? Why did the Hatiian slave revolt take place?

      Here's a quick look at your 'happy slaves':

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_rebellion

      March 29, 2013 at 9:18 pm |
    • The Prosperity Gospel

      – surely you are joking?
      No.

      – We're not talking about indentures here where there is some quid pro quo.
      God was speaking to the Hebrews in Leviticus.

      – You think anyone would want their family to become the property (including sëxual property) of their slave master?
      No.

      But what if there was a wealthy Hebrew that could provide you a way to feed and shelter your family.

      Other wise they will die in the elements or starve to death.

      – So why did the Roman slave revolt (think Spartacus) take place? Why did the Hatiian slave revolt take place?

      Slavery can be horrible. God is obviously against slavery as we historically know it in America – people captured and treated inhumanely.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @TPG,

      you sound like the guy at the CPAC2013 seminar on "Trump the race card: Are you sick and tired of being called a racist and you know you're not one" who says "For giving him food and shelter all those years" at 3:15 in the following video:

      http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-march-26-2013/republican-minority-outreach

      So slaves should be grateful?

      Unbelievable.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:39 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Since the dawn of time slave owners have always considered their slaves to be property – chattels to be used and abused.

      They don't respect them. They use them for forced labor and sëxual satisfaction. This is the reality of slavery – not some voluntary 'work for food' fantasy you have concocted.

      Tell me, do you live in the South? I'm thinking heart of Dixie here.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:43 pm |
    • The Prosperity Gospel

      @ So slaves should be grateful?

      No. But one might be, if he finds a generous slave owner (I have one, I call it an employer).

      Stop paying your taxes and tell me you are still free.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
    • midwest rail

      " Stop paying your taxes and tell me you are still free. "
      Now that's as disingenuous a response as you can get in trying to justify slavery. Sad.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:46 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @TPG, – reposted

      working for wages is not slavery. While the analogy is often made in jest, in earnest it is a grotesque notion.

      By the sound of your rationaliztion I'm getting the impression that your great great grandpappy owned slaves and you are having have a hard time dealing with this.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:52 pm |
    • The Prosperity Gospel

      I'm against slavery.

      Are you familiar with the strong Christian culture of African-Americans that descended from slaves?

      Unbelievably spiritual.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:53 pm |
    • The Prosperity Gospel

      My acceptance of slavery is not approval.

      Please don't get me wrong.

      We are all guilty of slavery.

      It seems to be a given: Slavery has existed, and still exists today. It is probably worst today than ever.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:55 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      So are Tibetan monks. What is your point?

      March 29, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      I'm not guilty of slavery, only role playing it.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:57 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      OK, great, we're all guilty of some metaphorical slavery ... to sweets or NASCAR or whatever.

      The topic is the literal inst!tution of slavery (people owning other people as chattels) as practiced in the ancient world by the Israelites and explicity condoned as acceptable behavior in your so-called inerrant word of God.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
    • The Prosperity Gospel

      Not just as a metaphor...

      America still supports slavery – we've just outsourced it.

      Seriously.

      Clothes, food, electronics –

      March 29, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Sure, the south east Asian and Eastern European sëx trade is terrible.

      Sweat shops in the Philippines or Bangaldesh making apparel const!tute horrible working conditions that is defacto slavery in the guise of commerce. No one is arguing that.

      You state that "The act of slavery isn't necessarily a bad thing it is our modern concept of it that makes it like this."

      Then you say "I'm against slavery."

      Then you say "My acceptance of slavery is not approval."

      You are all over the map on this issue.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:09 pm |
    • The Prosperity Gospel

      I'm against slavery – I don't think it should have a place in this world.

      But it does exist. I have to accept that. And there are times where something like servitude (which can be defined as a form of slavery) can be a good thing. Or just a reality.

      If I commit a crime against a man, I may have to make things right. To make things right, I may have to become a servant to that man.

      March 29, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
    • Vic

      [
      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/10/my-take-what-all-those-jesus-jokes-tell-us/comment-page-70/#comment-1947806

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/10/my-take-what-all-those-jesus-jokes-tell-us/comment-page-70/#comment-1948224
      ]

      March 29, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
    • Science

      Morning Vic

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/09/my-take-a-word-to-christians-be-nice/

      March 30, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • Vic

      @Science

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/23/the-money-man-behind-atheisms-activism/comment-page-57/#comment-2242221

      March 30, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • Science

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/22/bulgarian-bones-could-be-john-the-baptists-as-claimed-scientists-say/comment-page-18/#comment-2251268

      March 30, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • Vic

      @Science

      Can science animate matter, create a single living cell or even reverse engineer evolution?!

      Read about Cell Biology, DNA and Why Abiogenesis Is IMPOSSIBLE!

      March 30, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Science

      News Release

      3-D structure of the evolved enzyme (an RNA ligase), using 10 overlaid snapshots. In the top region, the overlays show the range of bending and folding flexibility in the amino acid chain that forms the molecule. The two gray balls are zinc ions. (University of Minnesota)

      University of Minnesota researchers unveil first artificial enzyme created by evolution in a test tube

      Media Note: To request high resolution images of Dr. Seelig and/or of a 3D structure of the evolved enzyme, please contact Matt Hodson at mjhodson@umn.edu.

      Contacts:Matt Hodson, University News Service, mjhodson@umn.edu, (612) 625-0552
      Peggy Rinard, College of Biological Sciences, rinar001@umn.edu, (612) 624-0774

      MINNEAPOLIS / ST. PAUL

      April 2, 2013 at 9:15 am |
  19. SAAB

    see the difference...one guy washes and kisses feet of criminals, while other guy makes some controversial TV freak show and makes millions.

    March 29, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
    • Chilipepper

      I'd have to say the Pope's message is much more humble.

      March 29, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
    • The Prosperity Gospel

      I don't know... it seems like Joel is the only one getting rich.

      March 29, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
    • Bill

      I'd say the Pope is disgusting for kissing people's feet. At least Joel would never do that.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:20 am |
  20. .

    Are you people serious? I don't believe this. Akira I didn't know you walking the streets, me too girl! We got to get together one day gurlfriend! I do the streets in south east LA. I like the mexicans there, plus they get pot for less or for a good run up.

    March 29, 2013 at 8:05 pm |
    • Akira

      Pfft.

      March 29, 2013 at 8:08 pm |
    • .

      I can't help it. I hook for Jesus. He'll forgive me, after all.....my street name is Mary Magdalene.

      March 29, 2013 at 8:11 pm |
    • Austin

      Hey leaver alone.

      March 29, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
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