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April 2nd, 2013
10:34 AM ET

Pope embraces disabled boy on Easter

(CNN)–A mother who was with her husband and five children in St. Peter's Square for the holiday helped lift her young son with cerebral palsy, Dominic, into the arms of Pope Francis for a blessing after Easter Mass. Christiana Gondreau describes the touching moment to CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

"There was not a dry eye around us. It was really, really moving," she says. "Not in a million years, really, did I expect to end the Easter Sunday Mass with a kiss from the pope. It was very beautiful."

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  1. Dale

    What every one of you need, is the Holy Ghost. Go ahead and criticize that statement – doesn't change things. You need it.

    April 5, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Ok dale. I need the holy ghost. Guess what, nothing happened. I'm sure you've had a holy ghost and you spend your life typing on blogs. Great.

      April 5, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
  2. The Demon Deacon

    Bill Deacon
    Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Something you may have just overlooked at the Victoria (Australia) Child Abuse Inquiry, "Detective Chief Inspector Peter Fox alleged in an interview with Lateline last year that the Catholic Church hierarchy protects paedophile priests, silences investigations and destroys critical evidence to avoid prosecution." Sound familiar Billy, sense a pattern there.

    April 5, 2013 at 9:31 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Yes, I sense a pattern of people making allegations and thinking they believe something based on no data. All I ever ask for is the data. Show me the numbers on child seex abuse cases and compare them to other large organizations. A separate interesting exercise would be to correlate news stories on Catholic cases compared to organizations who exceed the actual number of cases. Geez, I thought atheists liked evidence and data.

      April 5, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Jees, Bill, knock yourself out compiling all that info for us and if it seems to be even close to reliable, not like the biased quotes of religious apologists you provided already, we may take up the debate with you.

      April 5, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      U.S. Department of Education = religion apologists? okay brainiac you win.

      April 5, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Bill

      Still taking the immoral, evil stance that unless a certain percentage of priests are self-admitting to molesting children then covering it up and shuffling them around is okay?
      Not like I expect you to actually respond. Your pattern when faced with this question is always to either run like the coward you are, or to post irrelevant stupidity to try and derail away from your defense of a criminal organization.

      April 5, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon And Dr. Thevathasan
      Are irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Not too sure about Pravin but I am guessing he has kissed some feet and rings in his time. I wasn't try to win really but will except your surrender with glee.

      April 5, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Interesting you do not see a pattern in the RCC doing every thing they can to protect the reputation of the church since in almost every case they refuse to hand over their files until forced to do so by the civil authority. Why do you continue not to see this, Billy? I wasn't trying to win Billy, but victory is SWEET, thank you.

      April 5, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Hawaii all I have ever asked for is a comparative analysis of data from other organizations. The abject refusal of ANYONE to post such and the rejection of the report I posted from the Dept. of Education just tells me that no one is really interested in the facts.

      Please win me over here. I am sincerely asking you. Show me how the abuse in the church compares to other worldwide organizations and I will accept your point that the Church is systemically evil. The truth is you can't because the truth is that while there are clergy guilty of crimes and administrators failed both professionally and on a human scale, that the Church is statistically safer than almost any other group on the planet. That is simply the fact.

      Demon, if you think you actually won by equating the Department of Education to a religious apologist you are further off the beam than I imagined when you made the argument. But, congratulations. I'll be sending you the trophy.

      April 5, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
    • midwest rail

      How can anyone compare data when NO ONE knows the actual numbers associated with the abuse scandal, and never will ? Why is so much information still being hidden, and why does the cover-up continue to this day ?

      April 5, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. I ignored the Department Of Education data and just focused on Dr. Thevathasan, the rather biased conclusion he made, my bad. I did think that you would understand since you continue to ignore or deni-grate the denial and cover up originated by the Vatican. If you are really going to send a trophy since you stated I won, not me, how about one of the silver chalices you sip wine/blo-od out of, thanks. No need to engrave, I will probably just sell the trinket on e-bay and donate the cash to kids help line, does the RCC support that charity?

      April 5, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Bill

      Who fucking cares what the fuck the comparitive fucking numbers are you dumbass! What would it change?! Why does it fucking matter!? The fact remains that priests are fucking little kids and the church is shuffling them around, and keeping it from authorities! And you consistently don't care! You dodge, you deflect, you make excuses, and even went so far as to say you understand that they would try to cover it up! Why are you being so intellectual dishonest, immoral, and obtuse about this entire thing? Do you just feel that no matter what the church does, you need to defend their criminal actions? Why can't you actually stay in any way relevant to what is being done and what is being said?
      Seriously, does it just not matter at all to you since it's the RCC? Does that just make everything okay to you?

      April 5, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Here is an idea for you, Billy. Get your archdiocese to set up a kids snitch line directly to the Bishop monitored on a 24 hour a day basis, that can also be available to police. What do you think Billy, cool?

      April 5, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
  3. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    April 5, 2013 at 6:58 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 5, 2013 at 8:44 am |
    • Really?

      "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"

      That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie!

      April 5, 2013 at 8:50 am |
    • Theo

      GET A LIFE, Meds or at least some new material, you have been posting the same rubbish for longer then i care to think about

      with same replies how may accounts do u maintain ?

      April 5, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
  4. Bill Deacon

    According to a report carried out for the US Department of Education enttled Educator Seexual Misconduct: A Synthesis of Existing Literature, “9.6 per cent of all students in grades 8 to 11 report contact and/or non-contact educator seexual misconduct that was unwanted”. The percentage of students who report experiencing seexual misconduct by teachers indated that more than 4.5 million children were subjected to seexual misconduct by an employee of a school sometime between kindergarten and 12th grade. The report continued that “Possible limitations of the study would … suggest that the findings reported here underestimate educator seexual misconduct in schools.” The report’s author, Charol Shakeshaft, concludes, inter alia, that “the physical seexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by [Catholic] priests”.

    Again I repeat: abuse by Catholic priests should never happen. In the words of Dr Pravin Thevathasan in a book published by the CTS, The Catholic Church and the Seex Abuse Crisis: “It is true that the abuse of minors is rife within society. But we claim, by the grace of God, to be members of the one Church founded by our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and we are therefore called to a higher standard than that found in society at large.”

    The indeications are, he finds nevertheless, “that the seexual abuse of minors is significantly higher in secular society than in the Church”, though he insists that “this does not excuse the behaviour of abusive priests”. All the same, he says “One of the immense dangers of focusing unduly on clergy abuse is that we might fail to protect vulnerable children in the wider society”. Now, the Holy Father has very gently suggested the same thing: “just as the Church is rightly held to exacting standards in this regard, all other insttutions, without exception, should be held to the same standards.”

    So far, that hasn’t even begun to happen; now, it should.

    April 4, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Religion don't get mulligans. You have to be perfect and get better everyday. If you have god leading the way, perfection is the only option. Since people that follow god are far from perfect, that tells you all you need to know about god.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • midwest rail

      "....we are therefore called to a higher standard than that found in society at large.” Yet you have repeatedly claimed on these boards that this is NOT the case, Bill. Nice flip flop.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Nice post, but again you do not address the complicity of the church as accomplices in the cover up of the abuse. You just don't get it and never will. My hope is that your archdiocese will have to move their assets around and protect their wealth before declaring bankruptcy in order to avoid paying court awarded damages. Greed, power and protection of reputation, that sounds just what the Irish Inquiry found. You Billy are disgusting and pathetic.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      And there goes Bill attempting to justify the systematic cover-up by the RCC by going "look over here at this thing, don't pay attention to the thing I like". Pathetic.
      Bill, you truly are an immoral pile of shit.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
    • From the abused

      What the fvck are you talking about? The Holy Father, Benedict was up to his ass in the cover up, you think the new guy gives a sh1t other than to protect the church, bullsh1t. The day the RCC can provide reliable evidence of any other insti-tution that went to such extraordinary means to cover up their crimes let us know.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Ok, one at a time:

      Ken – perfect but then better every day? OK, at least you have a reasonable expectation. Not.

      Midwest The higher standards is Dr. Thavathasan's comment, not mine. Although I find no contradiction between his statement and my own position. I have not seen any evidence, at any time, anywhere that the Catholic Church falls below other organizations in the realm of child abuse. Are you proposing to post that data?

      Hawaii Interesting that I post data showing the actual numbers of cases both in teh Church and other organizations and you accuse me of obfuscation. Do you have any information that shows the Church exceeds societal ratio's or raw numbers in terms of child abuse from other organizations?

      Abused please see my post above where you can see that the problem of child abuse in U.S. public schools is perhaps 100 times the level it is in Catholic Churches from the U.S. Dept of Ed.

      April 5, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Billy you are the one fixated by numbers, so keep posting whatever you can come up with, thank you. The only number that matters to your critics is this. The only hierarchical worldwide insti-tution that adopted a policy of enforced secrecy on its members, protected the perps at all cost, denied any involvement, tried to blame the victims (the most disgusting act), and tried to protect their wealth and reputation above all else was the RCC. Get back to me when you can identify any other insti-tute as complicit as yours.

      April 5, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      If you're going to make the argument that the most damaging group of people to kids are Catholic priests, I feel sorry for you. But more, I feel sorry for the millions of kids who will be abused and never have the valor of your indignity to represent them since their perpetrators are not Catholic.

      April 5, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness

      "The only hierarchical worldwide insti-tution that adopted a policy of enforced secrecy on its members, protected the perps at all cost, denied any involvement, tried to blame the victims (the most disgusting act), and tried to protect their wealth and reputation above all else was the RCC."
      .
      Does Bill dispute this????????????????????????????????????????????????????

      April 5, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness

      Bill Deacon

      If you're going to make the argument that the most damaging group of people to kids are Catholic priests, I feel sorry for you. But more, I feel sorry for the millions of kids who will be abused and never have the valor of your indignity to represent them since their perpetrators are not Catholic.
      ...

      You post does not address the fact of how the RCC handled it. Your distraction is noted

      April 5, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. I thought that was one of your arguments that other groups are worse than the RCC perps, did I get it wrong. Let us say there is massive organization of educators around the world that enforces unusual s3xual practices, say celibacy, and that forces secrecy on their members if they know that some are committing crimes against children. Let me know who they are Billy and I will report them to the authorities.

      April 5, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
  5. Reality

    Where the gods also failed:

    The Twenty (or so) Worst Things GOD'S CREATURES Have Done to Each Other:

    M. White, http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

    The Muslim Conquest of India

    "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

    Rank …..Death Toll ..Cause …..Centuries……..(Religions/Groups involved)*

    1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

    2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

    3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

    4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

    5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

    6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

    7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

    8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

    9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

    10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

    11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

    12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

    13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

    14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

    15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

    16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

    17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Christians)

    18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

    19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

    20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

    April 4, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
  6. The Demon Deacon

    Bill Deacon
    Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. As predicted in earlier post.....
    Headline from Australia in regard to child abuse scandal April 4, 2013.
    "Catholic Church 'lacking leadership' to deal with child s3x abuse, professor says."
    From the parliamentary inquiry.....
    "Professor Taylor said she believed offenders were STILL grooming children for s3x abuse at a "alarming rate."

    Time to go into your media conspiracy mode again, Billy? How about the Vatican has done everything possible bullsh1t justification? A worldwide condemnation of the RCC would be appropriate, do you not agree?

    April 4, 2013 at 8:20 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      The Roman Catholic Church in the Australian state of Victoria has confirmed that more than 600 children have been seexually abused by its priests since the 1930s.
      The Archbishop of Melbourne, Denis Hart, described the figures as "horrific and shameful".
      In its submission, the church said the 620 cases went back 80 years with the majority taking place between the 1960s and the 1980s.
      Australia launched a sweeping national inquiry Wednesday into the seexual abuse of children. It will cover a vast array of insttutions including schools, churches, child-care centers, recreational groups and detention centers.
      At least 5,000 people are expected to come forward with their stories, Justice Peter McClellan said at Wednesday's hearing.

      So, once again, while pedophiles have certainly infiltrated the clergy in Australia, the actual data shows that victims of clerical abuse comprise only a portion of the epidemic of child seex abuse in the country but garner the lion's share of media attention.

      Tell me demon, given that the church acknowledges and has confirmed those 7.5 cases per year, when should we see a news report on the other 4400 people who will be coming forward to talk about their teachers, coaches and other venues where abuse is rampant to a greater degree than in the church?

      While your invective makes a great mudball to slime the Church with, you omit two important considerations. First that while the criminals involved were certainly ordained, that the Church is also a victim of their crimes, albeit to a lesser degree than the children themselves. Secondly you nor anyone on this whole worldwide board have ever dared post a comprehensive data set that illustrates under exactly which scenarios children are systemically abused. How about some numbers on the Australian public school system? Can you find them? I mean let's solve this problem shall we or are you merely interested in tarring all clergy with your broad brush dipped in the tears of those 600 alone?

      April 4, 2013 at 9:27 am |
    • Science

      Bill what about the 660 million paid out in the LA case.......................... the secret papers would help solve the issue
      maybe ?

      April 4, 2013 at 9:39 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Number one, there is no need for me to sling mud balls at he RCC they do that quite well on their own. Number two, did you choose to ignore the quote from the professor STILL going on today? If the inquiry brings forth numbers on other insti-tutions I am sure they will be reported. As to why you think others should find numbers for you that you are always harping about. look them up yourself and let us know. You remind me of a crooked politician whose only defence is the other guys are worse than me. Billy you are pathetic.

      April 4, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      I'm not saying the "other guys" are worse as a defense. I'm saying the fact that many orders more abuse occurs in other segments society which you give a pass to because of your hatred for the Church shows that you are not interested in child abuse, you are not interested in justice you are merely interested in smearing the Catholic faith as a whole. Once again your argument is deconstructed because you refuse to supply your own data and have repeatedly discounted the numerous amounts of data I have posted from the United States Department of Education's own study which shows that in the U.S. the amount of child seexual abuse is many multiples higher than in the Church, by any criteria you use to quantify it. Those numbers do not appear to be readily available for Australia but the lead is "Catholic Church admits...." So until and unless a comprehensive data set is forthcoming, I maintain that the Church certainly has harbored criminals, sometimes knowingly, but that the proportion of crimes committed against children occur somewhere else. The fact that reparations have been made only shows that the Church has been willing to attempt and make efforts to heal. The Church bears a double edged role in these situations; not only have crimes been committed by clergy, but good Catholics have been injured within the Church and Catholics at large have and continue to be smeared by idiots like you. We of the faith, are not willing to allow you to destroy our mother Church either from within by perversion or from without by bigotry.

      April 4, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Bill Deacon
      You always deflect the issue by saying that the Catholic Church is not responsible for all cases of abuse.
      But you and I both know that the stickiest point for most people is that not only was the 'Crimen Sollicitationis'
      Top Secret for decades, it explictly stated that anybody involved in this type of investigation, including the accuser and potential witnesses, are sworn to secrecy regarding any and all details, upon penalty of excommunication (a fate worse than death for the devout).
      This preoccupation with secrecy significantly slowed the investigative process – the backlog of referrals to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith for action against se.xually abusive priests is so large that it takes 18 months to get a reply.
      According to the John Jay report, 918 of 1872 (49%) substantiated allegations of abuse against Catholic clergy were addressed by sending the priest off for psychiatric counseling and then moving him to another parish, with nary a whisper to law enforcement. This number does not include priests relocated for reasons other than charges of se.xual impropriety.
      The Irish Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse from 2009 came to the conclusion that ""the Dublin Archdiocese's pre-occupations in dealing with cases of child se.xual abuse are the maintenance of secrecy, the avoidance of scandal, the protection of the reputation of the Church, and the preservation of its as.sets. All other considerations, including the welfare of children and justice for victims, are subordinated to these priorities."

      Jose Barba Martin of Mexico tried for years to have his accusations against the founder of the Legionaries of Christ heard by the congregation. In the end, it took eight years for Rome to discipline the Rev Marcial Maciel, and require him to live a life of reserved prayer. Maciel died in 2008 before the Legionaries admitted he had fathered at least one child and molested young seminarians.
      A letter written by a now-dead Canadian bishop shows church officials knew of se.xual abuse allegations involving a priest before his promotion to a top Vatican post and then discussed with Vatican officials how to keep the scandal from becoming public.
      There is also Catholic priest who was defrocked after a nun accused him of rap.ing three children in Bolivia who has been living with his family in Uruguay for more than a year – with the full knowledge of Uruguayan church officials – despite an Interpol warrant for his arrest.

      The Roman Catholic Church is guilty of criminal conspiracy. Until the Pope publically and unequivocally states that all allegations of abuse will immediately be referred to local law enforcement, the RCC will be viewed as an evil, predatory inst.itution by a large portion of the world.

      The fact that Ratzinger became Pope – the man who was the head of the Doctrine for the Order of the Faith during the worst of the abuse scandal and who literally wrote the book on keeping pedo priests under wraps – shows that the RCC isn't really sorry for anything except getting caught.

      April 4, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Oh Bill you are so sad. The RCC is also a victim of the crimes, not quite, the RCC were accomplices before and after the crimes and knowingly let them continue and are still letting it happen in Australia, check it out yourself. If you have systematic data put up or shut up already, the onus is on you not others. Please name another worldwide hierarchical insti-tution that has been complicit in covering up the crimes of its members in so many countries around the world, try Billy. C'mon Bill did not matter who became the new pope you would be kissing his ass, pucker up, sheepie.

      April 4, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Doc
      And Ratzinger had the gall to make a speech as Benny the 16th..." I must say these revelations were a shock for me. They are a great sadness and it is hard to understand how this perversion of the priestly ministry was possible." So Benny was lying flat out after covering up the crimes for years. Bill is just following along as an accomplice and apologist, Bill is pathetic.

      April 4, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      I know we've plowed this ground before, Doc. When confronted with the fact that the actual number of abuses cases is a drop in the bucket to the world wide epidemic and societal denial of the problem, your outrage always shifts from the abuses to the policies and procedures used to deal with the issue. That tactic only undermines your original argument that it's about the children because you have to abandon the discussion you can't validate and move the target. Tell me Doc, do you know how many abuses cases are substantiated against the Church compared to how many against the U.S. public school system? How about in the Protestant religion? Jewish? China? Saudi Arabia? Any other nation or organization besides the Church? I'll check back to see your data

      April 4, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Bill

      Still the same cop-outs, deflections, and justifications for your churches complete lack of integrity and care in dealing with these cases I see. Pathetic.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Bill
      If you look back over all the times we've discussed this, you'll find that I have never once made any kind of statement regarding the number of children abused.
      I've never tried to tug at heart strings, crying "won't somebody think of the children!"
      Nope – I simply reference various credible sources that show how precisely the RCC has handled these cases, as a matter of official policy – for only They know how long.

      The public school system does not have a Top-Secret set of Standard Operating Procedures that call for the exlusion of law enforcement, or indeed any accountability whatsoever when one of their employees is charges with molestation.

      The RCC claims to be the guardians of God's word on Earth. The Pope is supposed to be able to Humanity on behalf of God Himself.
      They loudly proclaim themselves to be the arbiters of righteousness and have gone to great lengths to deny, obscure, obfuscate, and/or hide any evidence or testimony proving otherwise.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. You keep asking others to provide the numbers, the onus is on you to present your case. The archdioceses in the USA have been ordered to pay an approximate $2.6 billion in reparations to the victims so far in dozens of cities. Lord knows what will be the cost worldwide. You again say the RCC crimes are far less than the other guys as some sort of "Look WE are not so bad" what kind of a hypocrite do they allow to have standing in the RCC. You may be alone in your pew, Billy, the sooner the better. Read the quote from Professor Turner "Professor Taylor said she believed the offenders were STILL grooming children for s3x abuse at an "alarming rate". April 4, 2013 not decades ago. Ignore and deflect all you want, you are beyond contempt to continue to defend the Vatican. I sincerely hope that Franky may be able to lance the disease that Benny left behind, you could help if you speak up for the opening of the books and files. I think you won't , HYPOCRITE.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Taylor not Turner, easy for me to mea culpa, very hard for Billy. Did you get around to watching Mea Maxima Culpa as I suggested, or would you rather remain ignorant of the stories of the abused, easier that way to be an apologist.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Let me pick up on a point you made in your first post. "given those 7.5 cases per year" is what the Australian RCC is willing to admit too. If Franky and the RCC want to regain some respect regarding this issue, Franky will order all archdioceses to hand over all their secret doc-uments and files to the authorities. This must include all the files of the Servants of Parcalete and Legionaries of Christ among others. What do you say Biily turn over the files.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      five great responses. No data.

      April 4, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. You do the data mining Billy or are you to lazy or disingenuous. I will make you a deal when you provide all the docu-ments for your archdiocese, I will do the research that you demand of others. We could just wait, I suppose until the all inquiries are over. Mind you seem to have missed what the Irish Inquiry has declared what the problems were, so why bother. You continue to deny and will do so no matter what, the others guys are worse than us, WE stand proud.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Bill

      Yes yes we all know that you feel unless a certain percentage of priests self-admit to molesting kids then it's not a problem and doesn't need to have any attention brought to it.
      Hence why I consistently call you an immoral ass.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
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    April 4, 2013 at 4:53 am |
  8. ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

    EPIC HISTORY OF BIRTH OF HINDUS IGNORANT S AND THEIR HINDU SECULAR ISM.
    In hindu dark ages, a woman was laying in bed, while her husband was away, she was having her lust pleasing dreams in hindu secular ism, filthy self center ism of enjoying company of her husband in bed in a hindu darkened cave, a hindu filthy languor, secular daddy of hindu hanuman, stupid monkey, secular, every hindu believes to be their god saw her moaning and took advantage of her, her husband came back and had relationship , but she had already been pregnant by hindu crook languor, filthy secular. She never told her husband of the indecent, time of child birth her husband took her to a medicine man for deliver, and waited for hours, while he heard wild noises from inside delivery cave. Finally medicine man came out of cave sweating and all bruised, her husband rushed to him, and asked about wellbeing of his wife and child, boy or a girl, medicine man could not answer, while he was trying to figure out way to explain, finally he put himself together and started to explain mystery of his child birth. AS HE STATED , RIGHT AFTER BIRTH, CHILD JUMPED AND CLUNG TO CEILING OF THE CAVE, HIM AND HIS ASSISTANT WERE TRYING HARD TO CATCH CHILD FOR S GENDER IDENTIFICATION, BUT TO NO VIALS, AFTER HOURS THEY GAVE UP.
    Child of hindu crook Languor, secular from a woman was called Bujrungbhali, meaning ruler of his own limit, a hindu secular, stupid self centered, he matted with his own half kind, hindu monkeys and donkeys, stupid secular s, self centered animals and multiplied enormously,
    Living by hindu secular ism, self center ism, kenjer ism, today his progeny claims their linage from Monkeys AND DONKEYS, stupid secular s As their maternal gods. So much so, producers of Gorge of the Jungle movie borrowed concept from inception of hindus, ignorant and made a lot of money.
    Every letter of a word has meanings of its own, seeds to grow crop of words for humanity to communicate. From seeds of letters, blocks are created and than blocks are combined to create words to communicate intentions of a person. Word ATHEIST MEANS, A SELF CENTERED, DENIER OF TRUTH ABSOLUTE, OR A PERSON CLAIMING HIMSELF TO BE TRUTH ABSOLUTE GOD, A HINDU SHAMAN, A CROOK SPEAKING BY HIS SOUL, DESIRE, NOT OF TRUTH ABSOLUTE OF A MATTER. Atheism is not of human, but in line with mind set of a animals. Following words are best example to identify Atheism.
    DOG
    Letter D, means, THE. Vowel O, represents, QUANTIFIED AND Letter G is result of one s intention from his mind and heart. Sounded Ga. meaning a secular, self centered by intention in opposition to truth absolute by intention. or an atheist,
    MONKEY
    Letter M means essence or choice of an intention, Vowel O represents Quantified. Letter N means enshrined or established. Letter K identifies function of a noun. Vowel E represents unity of an adjective and a noun in essence. Letter Y means Ye, from heart and mind, base of word Yes. Meaning by self choice, with dis regard to truth absolute, a Secular, self centered or an atheist,
    DONKEY
    Letter D, means THE, Vowel O means QUANTIFIED, Letter N means established or enshrined. Letter K identifies function of a noun. Vowel E represents unity of an adjective and a noun in essence. Letter Y means Ye, from heart and mind, base of word Yes. Meaning by self choice, with dis regard to truth absolute, a Secular, self centered or an atheist,
    As a matter of fact, word ANIMAL means nothing else, but a atheist, self centered or denier of truth absolute.
    Atheism, self center ism is way of animals and hindrance negativity to truth absolute GOD, foundation of consti tution of USA and universe and source for existence of everything in existence, otherwise known as constant.
    Atheism is way of hindus, deniers of truth absolute, not of human, but animals observed by pot head hindu Swamis, ignorant goons, secular, self centered by their hindu soul, filthy desire and foundation of hinduism racism of hindu dark ages.

    April 3, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Somebody has wayyyyyyyyyyyyy to much time on their hands.

      April 3, 2013 at 11:29 pm |
  9. Ken Margo

    With the church dealing with a s3x abuse scandal, the last thing the church needs is a old grown man kissing a young boy.

    April 3, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
  10. Dyslexic doG

    Boy!!! God sure did miss the chance to perform a miracle there!

    April 3, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
    • JMEF

      Dy...doG
      Miracles can not stand up to that many witnesses they usually occur with only one or two collaborators about.

      April 3, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • Al

      If they wanted him to walk, they would have taken him to the Benny Hinn Show.

      April 3, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • frank

      Benny Hinn doesn't actually allow the really sick people on stage. He was busted on that long ago.

      April 3, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • EX catholic

      No HE did not! This is an IDOLATER and IDOLATRY is NOT RELIGION. IDOLATRY is a Very Serious SIN. Therefore GOD is NOT going to show up where there is IDOLATRY, SIN and DISOBEDIENCE. His Judgment however may show up.

      April 3, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Or one was performed but you missed it.

      April 3, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. A man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest, like all those priests abusing children, right Billy. Australia will hit the headlines soon and you will be back in your paranoid media conspiracy mode. Thanks to Paul Simon.

      April 3, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
  11. fernace

    All religions & societies have weird customs! My society prints T-shirts that say "Keep Austin Weird"! I think we should keep our eye on this "pope-kissed" youngster because he could have been blessed by the "spirit"! Let's not, in our eagerness to discount things spiritual, scratch it all out w/a marker & say it was never there! It is still there under the marker scratch!! I live a spiritual life that started in Christianity & has evolved to embrace non-christian religions that I've heard & been taught about since age 7! I find it impossible to discount the spiritual reality presented by religion, but can't cast my allegiance w/any of them! They're all right & all wrong! I have witnessed miracles & it doesn't have to come from a Pope!!

    April 2, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • Zingo

      Uh, have you read the posts by Austin? Keeping him weird shouldn't be a priority.

      April 3, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • ME II

      What "spiritual reality"?

      April 3, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • Al

      I have witnessed miracles

      Describe one.

      April 3, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • frank

      Of course the cnn belief blog is the perfectly safe place for one to announce they have witnessed a miracle (and can describe it online – oh my!).

      April 3, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
  12. Quest ion

    Did he kiss the boy after or before kissing the feet of those prisoners?

    Yuk! How can the parents of that kid let him do that?

    How can the parents of this boy expose him like that?

    No wonder these do cover up for so much exploitation! It is the parents themselves the first in cahoots with them.

    April 2, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
  13. jed clampett

    I'm a Unitarian. This Pope, so far, is doing admirable things.

    God bless him!

    April 2, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • Zingo

      He's putting on quite a show for the cameras. This pope sure knows how to create and work a photo op.

      When he gets around to actually doing something of substance, then you can praise him.

      April 3, 2013 at 12:29 am |
    • jed clampett

      Washing prisoners feet, embracing a handicapped child, and showing the world the Turin shroud are worth praise.
      If he condemns the ped-ophile priests and turns them over, I will say Hallaluah!
      Not holding my breath.
      Just don't call him Francis.

      April 3, 2013 at 1:01 am |
    • Zingo

      Can I call him Frisco?

      Why wouldn't you want Francis to be called Francis? Bad memories of talking mules?

      April 3, 2013 at 1:09 am |
    • EX catholic

      How about Frankie Pope?

      April 3, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Crooner

      Do you think Franky left a hickey/love bite on the kid?

      April 3, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
  14. ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

    Religions are nothing more than hinduism self richness and personality worship to feel good, but created by hinduism, corruption of truth absolute to hind fool humanity in to gentile ism slavery of hindu Jews, filthy secular s, hindus, racist, believers of hindu monkey ism, crooked secular ism, self center ism by faith.

    April 2, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Do you just throw darts at a dictionary and write down the words you hit?

      What a bunch of garbage.

      April 2, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      No I do not as you hind, absurd.

      DOG
      Letter D, means, THE. Vowel O, represents, QUANTIFIED AND Letter G is result of one s intention from his mind and heart. Sounded Ga. meaning a secular, self centered by intention in opposition to truth absolute by intention. or an atheist,
      MONKEY
      Letter M means essence or choice of an intention, Vowel O represents Quantified. Letter N means enshrined or established. Letter K identifies function of a noun. Vowel E represents unity of an adjective and a noun in essence. Letter Y means Ye, from heart and mind, base of word Yes. Meaning by self choice, with dis regard to truth absolute, a Secular, self centered or an atheist,
      DONKEY
      Letter D, means THE, Vowel O means QUANTIFIED, Letter N means established or enshrined. Letter K identifies function of a noun. Vowel E represents unity of an adjective and a noun in essence. Letter Y means Ye, from heart and mind, base of word Yes. Meaning by self choice, with dis regard to truth absolute, a Secular, self centered or an atheist,
      As a matter of fact, word ANIMAL means nothing else, but a atheist, self centered or denier of truth absolute.
      Atheism, self center ism is way of animals and hindrance negativity to truth absolute GOD, foundation of consti tution of USA and universe and source for existence of everything in existence, otherwise known as constant.

      April 2, 2013 at 8:50 pm |
    • The real Tom

      OK, you're nuts. Thanks and have a great time in the straitjacket.

      April 2, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • Agnes of Dog

      LOL!!! Oh Tom – you may have nailed the truth with the dart thing. LOL.

      April 2, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
    • The real Tom

      😉

      April 2, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
  15. Hindu

    @Or you can try the real world

    Fallacy after fallacy? All I did was clearly point out the fallacies in your posts and in response to that all you came up with was an emotional response instead of debating with logical points. I am sorry to sat that kind of response is well known to be a perfect way of conceding a debate. End of Story!

    April 2, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
    • Or you can try the real world

      Oh darn oh DARN that pesky reply button!

      April 2, 2013 at 9:23 pm |
  16. Danny Boy

    Look at that poor kid, grabbed screaming from the street by a guy out to exploit him for the TV exposure. The little guy will have emotional scars for life.

    April 2, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
  17. Hindu

    @Or you can try the real world

    On one hand you are saying "go engage the world as an authentic individual" and "transcend" religion to achieve "fullness of being".

    On the other hand, you say there is no meaning or goal for anything or nothing there to care?? Sorry to say - you sound utterly confused and you need to work on resolving your own internal confusion first.

    By the way, there is an independent objective TRUTH out there that does NOT depend on what you think, believe or speculate from your mind. If you do not understand this statement - I can explain.

    April 2, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
    • Or you can try the real world

      Oh darn that pesky reply button!

      April 2, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Hindu- "By the way, there is an independent objective TRUTH out there that does NOT depend on what you think, believe or speculate from your mind. If you do not understand this statement – I can explain." Please do explain.

      April 2, 2013 at 9:27 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Truth absolute is Independent, by HIS nature, not dependent on any one, but every oneIS dependent on HIM, to be. TRUTH ABSOLUTE IS LORD AND GOD OF THE UNIVERSE.

      April 2, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
  18. May compassion and love grow!!!

    Hope every human being can reach out to another in kindness and love to a wounded warrior, a lost soul and sick person, just as Jesus showed us.

    The pope is making a good start. Christians have been known to be charitable, long may that continue!

    April 2, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
    • Yeah right

      Christians have been known to be intolerant, repressive and downright mean, too.

      April 2, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • A question to yourself

      What act of kindness have I shown to someone today?

      April 2, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
    • Yeah right

      Amongst other things, I volunteer at a shelter for at-risk kids. Did a few hours there this morning.

      April 2, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
    • A question to ask yourself

      Good for you, that does not give you a free pass to insult Christians.

      April 2, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • SAAB

      Ya Christians are known to be charitable to wars around the world

      April 2, 2013 at 7:05 pm |
    • Yeah right

      I stated facts about Christians, who have done all that stuff for centuries. If you choose to view that as insults, that is your problem, for they are facts.

      Now, what of merit did you do today, aside from bad-mouthing me?

      April 2, 2013 at 7:07 pm |
    • A question to ask yourself

      I did not volunteer like you did, but I did my kind deed for the day. As far as 'facts' about Christians you mentioned above, it is just your opinion.

      April 2, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • Yeah right

      The Inquisitions were just my opinion? The burning, hanging, pressing to death, and torture of heretics, witches pagans, blasphemers and apostates is my opinion? The Christian anti-gay hate measures are just my opinion? The Christian support of slavery in the antebellum South is only my opinion?

      Facts.

      As you avoided telling your "good deed", I can safely believe it was trivial. And your limiting yourself to one a day is anything but impressive, especially since some of us try to be good as a matter of course.

      And you did it not because you choose to be good, but because you were obeying, and trying to curry favor with Jesus. Neither of which are impressive.

      April 2, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
    • A question to ask yourself

      Have you heard of the CSI US org, faith in action org? VIVA, CHAB DAI? Are you myopic to Christians in the forefront freeing slaves today.? Did you ever consider the fact that crusades were in self defense to be free from tyranny ?

      April 2, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
    • Yeah right

      "The fact that crusades were in self defense to be free from tyranny" – BWA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

      The French, Germans and the English attacked the Middle East to be free from tyranny.

      That's so bad it doesn't even require a response.

      April 2, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
    • A question to ask yourself

      Ask yourself those questions, read history, know the truth about who the tyrant was.

      Also, did you know that the Catholic Church is one of the worlds largest charitable organization?

      April 2, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
    • Yeah Right

      My postgraduate degree is in History, and you are totally wrong.

      No, The U.S. Government gives far far far more money. You see, the main source of money that the Catholic Church handles does not come from Catholics but the government. the Catholic Church keeps a huge amount of that money as "administration fees". Charity is VERY lucrative for the Catholic Church.

      April 2, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
    • A question to ask yourself

      Of course, there are costs associated with running any organization, it is part of the cost of doing business(charity) if you will. The other top charitable organizations are Salvation Army,world vision etc. The list goes on......

      April 2, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
  19. The Demon Deacon

    Bill Deacon
    Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Yes I have shown that I am pro-choice as the laws of the country allow, I do not want some religions canon law to over ride what the people of a democratic nation declare to be the law. You will forgive me Bill, you know you are supposed too.

    April 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Your ignorance is not an offense to me so no forgiveness is required.

      April 3, 2013 at 11:17 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. The founding fathers knew there would be the likes of you that would place your religious dogma over the rule of the state. Your compulsion to force your beliefs on people that are not members of your cult is what is ignorant Billy. Christians are so unlike their Christ, just when you think Franky is making some progress a fool like Billy shows his true colors.

      April 3, 2013 at 11:26 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      I have no interest in forcing anybody to do anything. The invitation stands to repent though.

      April 3, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
    • Those of us who still have brains

      We'll put that invitation right next to the ones inviting us to become Scientologists and Westboro Baptist Church members, where it belong.

      April 3, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. I have nothing to repent for to a mythical god and have only had a few minor traffic violations and paid the fines promptly. As for anything that your lot would have to confess to as a sin, they are just natural human behaviour, go je-rk off Billy while looking at a girlie magazine, it may do you good but you will have to tell your priest. Such a mind bending religion making the young think their instincts are sin.

      April 3, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Up to you but it doesn't explain your vitriol

      April 3, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      While many can argue about degrees of acceptability or the difference between passionate debate and insult, vitriol is a form of speech that crosses the line of decency by general standards. Vitriol reviles, vilifies, insults, snipes and assaults. It goes beyond passion to become mean-spirited, and as such reduces the value of the argument when value is present at all.

      April 3, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Bill

      Not much worse than your constant dodges, justifications for atrocities, and generally dishonest "discussion" tactics. Perhaps people would stop being vitriolic and polemic toward you if you were to show an ounce of humanity and intellectual honesty.

      April 3, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. Vitriol, your hypocrisy deserves far more than that. I do not hate anyone but what you stand for turns my stomach, get down on you knees, Billy, and pray that the whole religious BS is just that or you will spend eternity in your mythical hell.

      April 3, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
  20. Hindu

    Those who are saying why didnt God or Pope cure the child - here is the answer -

    The goal of human life is not to become perfectly healthy from external body perspective or become completely happy from external mind perspective. The goal of human life is to attain love of God without which we will always remain unfulfilled and never find perfection on this plane no matter how much we manipulate and adjust our external material conditions.

    You can think about this even in your own life situations - we are all looking for love and that is what makes this life worth living - even if you had all the health and wealth of this material existence - you would not like to live that life if it were to be devoid of all LOVE.

    This innate tendency to love is coming from our soul which transcends the material body and has eternal relationship with God. In essence, our soul is searching for that eternal love - but conditioned by the material body and mind, we are trying to search that love in perverted mundane relationships and hence we are frustrated in this material existence even if we have perfect health and wealth.

    Pope Francis' act is an act of love which is his attempt to channel God's unconditional love to us. Such acts of love and compassion give us a glimpse into what human life is all about. However those who are too materialistic will fail to understand or appreciate this.

    April 2, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
    • Or you can try the real world

      You as an individual can create your own goal or meaning, but the only tendency for life here in the real world is reproduction and survival of the species. You imaginary goals of your imaginary god are imaginary.

      April 2, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • Hindu

      @Or you can try the real world

      In that case, what are your answers and solutions to the "existential issues" like the "human condition" - never finding perfection and fulfillment in temporary bodily existence no matter health or wealth.

      Moreover, you cannot deny that it is LOVE that makes human life worth living - irrespective of how well you did in terms of reproduction, health and wealth - in this temporary existence.

      Come up with answers for these - if not - your focus on animal aspects such as reproduction and survival is meaningless because animals share that aspect with us but they cannot be having such intelligent discussions on boards like these.

      April 2, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • Or you can try the real world

      Your questions and statements are straw men, and your reading comprehension skills are abominably bad.

      Love is only one aspect of meaning. Others include community, family, creativity, appreciation of beauty, and meaningful endeavor. Non of these things require deities or religion, and indeed, religion tends to be an impediment to them. You must understand what you truly are to transcend the prison of received rules, and to go engage the world as an authentic individual. Christians, hindus, and other religious people have a false filter that prevents them from fully becoming themselves fully. Indeed, religion is one of the things people must transcend to achieve fullness of being.

      No religion required. Indeed, religion is part of the problem.

      But the universe has no meaning or goal for anything. It does not care if humans go extinct, or the planet becomes uninhabitable, because there is nothing there to care. Meaning is a human construct, and sadly, you copped out and just accepted yours, instead of going through the difficult process of discovering who you really are and then developing your own path.

      April 2, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • Hindu

      @Or you can try the real world

      On one hand you are saying "go engage the world as an authentic individual" and "transcend" religion to achieve "fullness of being".

      On the other hand, you say there is no meaning or goal for anything or nothing there to care?? Sorry to say – you sound utterly confused and you need to work on resolving your own internal confusion first.

      By the way, there is an independent objective TRUTH out there that does NOT depend on what you think, believe or speculate from your mind. If you do not understand this statement – I can explain ... let me know.

      April 2, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
    • Or you can try the real world

      I'm sorry you are not able to comprehend basic existential thought, but your attempts to distort and misrepresent it are resentful and idiotic.

      You have absolutely no evidence for your "independent objective TRUTH". None, nana, bubkis.

      Your bitterness is a wonderful example of the fruits of your imaginary beliefs.

      April 2, 2013 at 7:36 pm |
    • Hindu

      @Or you can try the real world

      Bitterness? You are the one without any meaning of life or goal for anything - as you said yourself. For you, human existence is limited to its animal aspects. Dont project your own bitterness on others - not everyone in the world feels like you do - it is again extension of your idea that reality is limited to what emanates from your tiny brain. I can understand how bitter and frustrated your existence must be - however, your existence is not absolute.

      As for me, per my path and understanding in life as I have explained I find eternal bliss in the eternal knowledge and love of God.

      Good luck to you!

      PS: a small tiny example of independent objective truth is that the sun exists and rises in the east - and that truth does not depend on your state of knowledge or ignorance - even if you are born blind - that TRUTH remains the TRUTH. From this example you can understand that there is an INDEPENDENT OBJECTIVE ABSOLUTE TRUTH out there that is NOT CONTROLLED by you and EXISTS INDEPENDENT of your conjectures.

      April 2, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
    • Yeah Right

      Well done, Hindu! You have proven conclusively that your religion makes it's followers bitter resentful liars.

      April 2, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
    • Hindu

      @Yeah Right

      that is an emotional response. you have simply made an baseless assertion without presenting any logic or rational in response to points I have clearly presented. this kind of response is a perfect way of conceding a debate. I accept your concession!

      April 2, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
    • Or you can try the real world

      I feel sorry for you.

      April 2, 2013 at 7:59 pm |
    • Yeah right

      Statement of fact. You lied and perverted what "Real World" said. And you proved your bitterness and resentfulness.

      No debate going. I am simply stating that you are an angry dishonest idiot, and anyone who read your discussion with Real can see it to be true.

      April 2, 2013 at 8:03 pm |
    • Hindu

      @Or you can try the real world

      Another emotional response - its ok - it happens when you are clearly losing a logical debate. I accept your concession too!

      April 2, 2013 at 8:05 pm |
    • Hindu

      @Yeah Right

      Let those who read judge it for themselves - your claiming to know it for them - just exposes your own logical skills.

      April 2, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • Or you can try the real world

      So you committed fallacy after fallacy, then declare yourself winner? You act like you are 8 years old.

      I will allow your behavior to speak to worthiness of your religion.

      April 2, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
    • Hindu

      @Or you can try the real world

      Fallacy after fallacy? All I did was clearly point out the fallacies in your posts and in response to that all you came up with was an emotional response instead of debating with logical points. I am sorry to sat that kind of response is well known to be a perfect way of conceding a debate. End of Story!!

      April 2, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
    • Johnny Guitar

      Wow, what a mess from Hindu. I guess Hindus are no better at defending themselves than Christians. They certainly use the same dishonest tactics.

      April 2, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
    • Hindu

      @Johnny Guitar

      Another emotional response with no substance and logic BUT only personal attack. Thats the best you can do?

      April 2, 2013 at 9:29 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Hindu

      You're not making any points. You are merely asserting that people need to come up with a response to your questions that you would agree with, otherwise you're right, and on top of that you then assert that other people have no meaning if they don't agree with you. This is not logical, nor is it very convincing to anyone that doesn't already agree with you.

      April 2, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
    • Agnes of Dog

      Oh – thanks for saving me the time to read all that, hawaii. So in other words, it's like the Chardonian fred of the Hindu world.

      April 2, 2013 at 9:39 pm |
    • Hindu

      @hawaiiguest

      I never made up, "other people have no meaning". @"Or you can try the real world" - said in his/her own words that universe has no meaning, there is goal and no one to care for. And yet he/she was talking about attainment of "fullness of being". I called him out on that - and after that there was no logical point from this person - only emotional name calling and personal attacks.

      if you look at his very first sentence of his second reply and I quote, "and your reading comprehension skills are abominably bad" - was his immediate attempt by winning the debate by dismissing me with a personal attack.

      Now you decide who is the loser here!!

      April 2, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Hindu

      You're arguing against a Straw Man. I don't see anyone saying that there is no meaning period. In fact, what I'm seeing is people telling you that each person makes their own meaning, and that there is no evidence of "intrinsic meaning", especially any meaning given by some "god" being. Distinguish between the two, and you'll be closer to actually understand what they're saying.
      "Winner" and "loser" are moronic ways to determine who's "right". Who is right is based on the evidentiary support rather than who can pump out the better rhetoric.

      April 2, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • Hindu

      @hawaiiguest

      in words of @"or try the real world" - "But the universe has no meaning or goal for anything. It does not care if humans go extinct, or the planet becomes uninhabitable, because there is nothing there to care."

      And as for "relativistic meaning" theory - i presented concrete logic that there is an OBJECTIVE ABSOLUTE TRUTH that does not depend on what beliefs or theories that might emanate from our tiny brain. So there is no value of what emanates from each person's head - as the TRUTH IS ONE and INDEPENDENT - there are NOT as many TRUTHS as there are heads - otherwise we would stop conducting JOINT SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH verifiable by one and all.

      April 2, 2013 at 9:55 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Hindu

      1) Capitalizing certain words adds nothing to your point, nor does it make you more right.
      2) There is a difference in intrinsic meaning, and meaning.
      3) Objective reality and self-given meaning have nothing to do with one another, so really your entire second paragraph is a non-sequitur.

      C'mon, did you really think that was going to fly?

      April 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
    • Johnny Guitar

      Somehow Hindu confused objective meaning for objective reality, and changed from asserting God as the objective entity to asserting that existential meaning is denied by the fact that there is an objective reality.

      Which is a total non sequitur. The existence of objective reality in no way contradicts existential meaning.

      Now, if he wants to assert that his god is the source of objective meaning, then he has to provide evidence that his god exists. Which he in no way did.

      It all comes down to evidence, and once again, the religious person provided nothing but pure assertion.

      April 2, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
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The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.