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North Carolina legistators are fighting over a church and state issue.
April 4th, 2013
02:06 PM ET

North Carolina getting a state religion? No.

By Eric Marrapodi and John Blake, CNN

(CNN)– Politicians often declare that the U.S. is a Christian nation, but a group of representatives in North Carolina wants to add a new wrinkle to that argument.

They want North Carolina to be able to make its own laws establishing religion.

Two Republican representatives in North Carolina filed a resolution Monday that would permit the state to declare Christianity its official religion and reject any federal laws or court rulings regarding how the state addresses the establishment of religion.

Critics say the resolution violates the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment guarantee that government will not prefer one religion over another. But a supporter of the resolution said it is about protecting another freedom.

The resolution reads in part, "The North Carolina General Assembly does not recognize Federal court rulings which prevent the state, its public schools, or any political subdivisions in the state from making laws respecting the establishment of religion."

Rep. Carl Ford, the resolution’s co-sponsor, told the Salisbury Post the resolution's intent is to support county commissioners in Rowan, North Carolina, who routinely end their invocations at public meetings with "In Jesus' name, amen."

A Rowan County resident filed a lawsuit against the county in March saying that she was not a Christian and that evoking Jesus in a public meeting sends the message that county commissioners favor Christians.

“We’re not starting a church. We’re not starting a religion. We’re supporting the county commissioners in their freedom of speech,” Ford told the Post.

Ford did not respond to interview requests.

By Thursday afternoon, the resolution was dead.

Jordan Shaw, a spokesman for North Carolina House Speaker Thom Tillis, said, "the bill that is getting so much attention is not going to move. It's dead."

Shaw said it would probably be referred to committee but would not come before the legislative body for a vote.

When asked why it was not moving forward, Shaw said the legislation did not accomplish what the legislators who had submitted the resolution had hoped for it.

Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington-based organization that aims to protect religious liberty, said Ford's argument is “phony.”

“That’s quite a bizarre argument,” Lynn said. “They’re trying to say that the state of North Carolina has the right to trump the U.S. Constitution, that we have the right to decide what religion gets preferential religion in our state.”

David Graham, an associate editor for The Atlantic Monthly, said the North Carolina resolution signals the revival of the states' rights “nullification” theory: a legal argument invoked as far back as the 19th century that claims states have the right to void, or nullify, federal laws they oppose.

During President Obama’s presidency, conservatives have claimed that states could ignore duly passed federal laws dealing with health care and gun control, Graham wrote in a blog post for The Atlantic.

Courts don’t buy the nullification theory, Graham said.

“Nullification has repeatedly been ruled to be incorrect,” he said. “States don’t have the right to invalidate federal laws.”

The nullification theory won’t die, though, because it serves a purpose, Graham said.

“It’s good politics for the people proposing it,” he said. “If people are upset that the federal government is keeping them from praying at a City Council meeting or changing the way they get health insurance, a politician can say, 'This is wrong and I’m going to take a stand.' ”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Church and state • Courts

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  1. Raleigh

    North Carolinians are working hard and contributing to the coffers, the unemployed sit here all day scoffing.Yikes!

    April 4, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Please, NC feeds of the Federal teat.

      It has almost zero productivity on it's own, and would starve within a generation if Obama actually cuts the defense budget.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
    • sam

      Working hard...tying up the courts with bullshit like this. Nice try.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Thoth

      @Raleigh – while I am fellow North Carolinian, and love the area, you are incorrect. Based on the last GAO report, NC receives on average about $1.40 from the Fed for every $1 it pays in – that makes NC a welfare state (of sorts).

      April 4, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Actually, I'm on the vacation I earned from my employer by working 40 hours a week. I've been at this job for 10 years now, but I've been working and paying taxes for over 30 years.

      However, that has nothing to do with the Constitutionality of North Carolina's attempt. It is un-Constitutional and unAmerican.

      You'd think that North Carolina would have learned something from getting their asses kicked in the Civil War. But some people are just slow learners.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • Saraswati

      lol...is this another North Carolinian who can't read a state-by-state unemployment rate table?!?! Love the education system down there.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • Akira

      This kind of post amuses me, since the person making the observation is also here.
      Great deflection of behavior one is also guilty of.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • Raleigh

      Brilliant responses , which part of the post did you fail to understand ?

      April 4, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
    • tallulah13

      The part where you were bitching about people not working and were posting instead. While you were posting yourself. Rather hypocritical, don't you think?

      And your comment is not on topic.

      So I guess you are the one with bad reading comprehension.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • The real Tom

      I'm not unemployed and I never have been. I happen to have today off. Got a problem with that?

      April 8, 2013 at 11:24 am |
  2. Alias

    Shouldn't someone tell them that Christianity is not one religion?
    Even if this passed they would be doing more infighting than inbreeding and probably not bother anyone else for a long while.

    April 4, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
    • sam

      I'm not sure they quite know what they practice. They just have some vague idea that brown people are scary, women should know their place, gays are bad, and abortion is wrong (but the death penalty is great). This supposedly makes them great patriots fighting for the American Way and beating back the Great Scourge (aka anyone not a straight white christian American).

      April 4, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Christianity follows Jesus' truth about Life and the Hereafter.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • sam

      Yeah, sure. All 30,000 sects of it. Whatever, 'HeavenSent'.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
    • sam stone

      Why wait, HS? You are the expert on Jesus's truth.....go meet him

      April 4, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness

      HeavenSent

      Christianity follows hearsay about Life and the Hereafter.
      .
      Thats about right HS

      April 4, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness, changing my post as you do Jesus' truth ensures you stay in the dark.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
  3. Reasonably

    Be careful what you wish for NC. The muslims in Detroit are already making a bid there. If they follow your suit then expect a religious civil war that will drag us all down with your dark ages thinking.

    April 4, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • sam stone

      what is your source for this information on muslims in detroit?

      April 4, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • ljjh

      Sam Stone–I think he was joking.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ Sam: I found this with my search engine. They don't seem too quick about taking action. The article is from 2009.

      Detroit Muslim Calls for Islamic State Within America~Video

      http://loganswarning.com/2009/12/26/detroit-muslim-calls-for-islamic-state-within-americavideo/

      April 4, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
  4. Colin

    Holy hell, can you imagine the God nuts of North Carolina with their own state religion? I live in north Carolina. Half these people here think the World is only 6,000 years old!!!

    April 4, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
    • Saraswati

      I used to live there and I have a hard time convincing people that even the college educated locals were that dumb. People seem to think I'm making it up...just scroll down the page to my discussion with "Russ" who thinks I'm slandering their fine educational tradition. NC is one backwards, scary place. A few years there were enough to last me a lifetime.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • .

      How many decisions do you make in your life based on the age of the earth?

      April 4, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • Reasonably

      Dear "."

      If you believe one ludicrous thing and that ludicrous thing is related to a cult that rules your decision making processes then you think ludicrously, act ludicrously, teach ludicrously and vote ludicrously. And teach your offspring to be ludicrous as well.

      Domino effect of ludicrousness.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
    • Colin

      @ nameless dot. None, but that's not the point. It is the jawdropping ignorance of the religious people down here I am pointing out.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • sam

      Careful or Russ will come up here and get bent out of shape.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • Thoth

      @Sara – ok easy now. I was born, raised and attended college (Duke) right here in NC. There are certainly a lot of religious folks here but that doesn't make them all dumb. In fact most of the educated self-professed Christians I know, and a local (NC) poll indicate that the majority are against this. Furthermore, the sponsers of the bill completely ignored the 14th ammendment in their subjective interpretation of the 1st and 10th ammendments. The 14th was upheld on a similar issue in 1961 by the SC. The entire issue is over a law suit against one county (Rowan) – they are attempting to mount a defense against a suit they know they will likely lose, and put the county into debt.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Colin, you need to understand what a Christian means when they talk about this earth age (there are 3 of them listed in the Bible) is 6,000-13,000. The first earth age was destroyed by God when Lucifer and 1/3 of His angels rebelled against God due to Lucifer (sin of PRIDE) wanted to be God. We live in the 2nd earth age and the 3rd earth age is when Jesus returns and evil is destroyed.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • tallulah13

      HS, you have to understand that you don't even speak for most christians. You speak entirely for yourself. Any authority you have exists only in your mind.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness

      HeavenSent

      Colin, you need to understand what a Christian means when they talk about this earth age (there are 3 of them listed in the Bible) is 6,000-13,000. The first earth age was destroyed by God when Lucifer and 1/3 of His angels rebelled against God due to Lucifer (sin of PRIDE) wanted to be God. We live in the 2nd earth age and the 3rd earth age is when Jesus returns and evil is destroyed.
      .
      Koolaid HS? Sorry babe but your babble lacks credibility. You are relying upon as sumption and wishfull thinking to avoid the obvious.

      April 4, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
    • Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness

      tallulah13

      HS, you have to understand that you don't even speak for most christians. You speak entirely for yourself. Any authority you have exists only in your mind.
      .
      You didnt know???? HS, Topher/Bible=Truth are the authority by which all christians should follow and think like. Anybody who disagrees is clearly wrong in their mind. They are true Christians with self imposed ignorance.

      April 4, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @Thoth,

      Have you lived outside NC? Are you aware that in most places in the US it would be laughable to think these people could even get elected or try to pull such a stunt?

      April 4, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Christianity is a form of SEVERE mental illness, the reason Jesus' truth sounds foreign to you is that there are too many phony preachers/rabbis teaching traditions of man instead of His truth. Therefore, you are used to the lies.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • jed clampett

      @saraswati,

      You apparently haven't been to Arizona. They are crazier here in the suburbs than in the rural community. The crazier the more electable.

      It is horrible.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @jed, You're right, I haven't been to Arizona, and I haven't heard anything to recommend it.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • saggyroy

      May be Carolina is only 6,000 years old.

      April 5, 2013 at 6:25 am |
    • fintastic

      @Saraswati............... "I used to live there and I have a hard time convincing people that even the college educated locals were that dumb. People seem to think I'm making it up......"

      I have lived here in NC for almost 8 years now, moved here from NY and what Saraswati said is exactly what I have found to be true. I don't like to generalize but from just what I've seen, even people with college degrees have a hard time with basic grade school grammar. Not everyone of course ... and I should also mention that there are some very progressive/technical areas in and close to the cities, (Greensboro, Winston Salem, etc..) outside the cities? not so much.

      I A state religion?......... that's a joke.... an embarrassment to many of us living here in NC.

      April 8, 2013 at 11:21 am |
  5. Agnes of Dog

    I think I heard and felt a tremor or something awful just now. Not another Virginia earthquake. Oh, of course – it must have been James Madison farting in disgust from the grave – directed south of the Virginia border no doubt at some fundiots.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • sam

      LOL

      April 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
    • FYI

      Agnes,

      3.4 10km WSW of Sutton, West Virginia 2013-03-31 14:01:24 38.645°N 80.833°W 8.1

      http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/

      A 3.4 is not much, but maybe back East it is felt differently than many places...?

      April 4, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • Really

      FYI = DUMBAZZ = U don't nowhoURL URCommentingON = Anonymous, dumbazz. PeaceAll.

      April 5, 2013 at 4:25 am |
  6. Dyslexic doG

    Consider these quotes, and how you might feel if you lived in a country where these sentiments were mainstream:

    “Our leader was not elected…he was appointed by Allah.”
    “Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of Allah…must be denied citizenship."
    “I, your Provincial Governor, do hereby proclaim… a day of prayer and fasting for our country.”
    “Allah called me to this government position…my family fasted for three days to make sure it was true.”
    “"I would not put a Christian among my advisors, or in my government."
    “(our founding doc.uments) are quite clear that we would create law based on Allah of the Qur’an and Sharia Law, it’s pretty simple.”
    “I hope I will live to see the day when…we won't have any public schools. The Mosques will have taken over them over again and Imams will be running them. What a happy day that will be!"
    “There will never be world peace until Allah's house and Allah's people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world."

    These statements should rightfully alarm you. Now consider this, YOU DO live in that country, and these are not Taliban quotes. In the above quotes the religious references have been changed. They are quotes from prominent, politically powerful Americans who would establish religious control over America’s government. Here are the actual quotes:

    “George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States, he was appointed by God.” –Lt. General William Boykin, US Army
    “Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship." –Gary North, Inst.itute for Christian Economics
    “I, Rick Perry, Governor of Texas, do hereby proclaim August 6, 2011, to be A Day of Prayer and Fasting for Our Nation.” –Rick Perry, Texas Governor and Republican Presidential Candidate
    “God called me to run for this office, and my husband fasted for 3 days to make sure it was true.” –Michelle Bachman, US Senator and Republican Presidential Candidate
    “"I would not put a Muslim in my cabinet, or in my administration." –Herman Cain, Republican Presidential Candidate
    “(Our founding doc.uments) are quite clear that we would create law based on the God of the Bible and the 10 commandments, it’s pretty simple.” –Sarah Palin
    I hope I will live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken over them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!" – Jerry Falwell
    There will never be world peace until God's house and God's people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world." –Pat Robertson

    These statements should be no more frightening in an Islamic or a Christian context – this kind of rhetoric is a serious threat no matter who it comes from. Theocracy is dangerous no matter whose God is invoked. We hear these things from pious politicians every day and are likely desensitized to them, but even momentary consideration reveals them to be un-American to the core. Religious fundamentalists make no secret of their goal of controlling our government and establishing their narrow beliefs as law. We must not let that happen – not here, not in our country.

    It happens in small steps – the Ten Commandments in courthouses, prayer and creationism (“Intelligent Design”) in schools, revising science, history, and civics textbooks in Texas, State-endorsed prayer rallies, faith-based initiatives, and on and on – and because these steps may individually seem harmless, many people underestimate their consequences. That is why we must stay alert and fight to keep church and state separate. We should shudder whenever a politician or policymaker alludes to his or her religious beliefs as a justification for public policy. We should be deeply suspi.cious of anyone who claims to be chosen by God to lead us. We should aggressively defend our free society against any religious group who would hope to gain control over it.

    Do not underestimate the importance of defending the separation of church and state. Stand up for it at every opportunity with your voice and your vote.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Or just burn down a church to save time!

      April 4, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • Barbara

      Thank you. Great post.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Nsain69

      Amen Dyslexic doG!

      April 4, 2013 at 7:35 pm |
    • john

      So very true. Does everyone really believe that our founding fathers would put up with what we see happening today? Not on your bippy.

      April 4, 2013 at 7:36 pm |
    • DougNJ

      I believe in E=MC2. And the Scientific-Method physics that gave rise to our 'Goldilocks' Multiverse. I am glad I am some of the mud that got to sit up and look around, and to enjoy with amazement this existence. I was raised catholic in NJ and science was always embraced by the clergy and nuns in our parish. But now I am a devout Utilitarian Apathist [everything has more than one use but nobody gives a ,,,]. And sometimes I am an Eighth Day Eventualist.

      April 4, 2013 at 9:27 pm |
  7. Claims Require Evidence Because That Is Science!

    I drove through North Carolina a number of times. I always kept my windows rolled up to keep the stink out of my car.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
  8. Dyslexic doG

    Christianity: a religion based on an invisible sky daddy that impregnated another mans virgin wife to recreate itself then "sacrifice" itself to itself to atone for a faulty creation it made but knew full well before hand that it's creation would be faulty.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @WIlliam
      It is surprising how many Christians are hom/opobic given that they believe Jesus mother got pregnant without having s/ex and that Christ had 2 dads.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Yup, the Jesus was a switch hitter things FREAKS them out

      No wife, no kids, no booty, lived with his mom and hung around with boys in caves!

      Standard pedo. Old Jeebus would be a Scout Leader if he lived today!

      April 4, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Mark 7:5-23

      Amen.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
  9. Bootyfunk

    north carolina, along with most of the southern states, already have a state religion: IGNORANCE.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
    • Saraswati

      They really do. I actually moved down there to get a more accurate image of a region I thought had to be unfairly portrayed in the media. After all, I assumed, they couldn't really be THAT bad.

      They were. Not everyone, of course, but the majority. People just had a really narrow view of life and the world. The undergrads from NC were all planning on moving home and living next door to Mom and Dad and never being challenged by anything. It was a way of life.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
    • Jonathan

      What's wrong with 'living next door to mommy and daddy'? Only thing I could think of is if you didn't get along with your parents (dysfunctional relationship). Family is a support structure and setting down roots near your family is a great way to build your own safety net in case life doesn't go quite so well. Many of richest people in the united states come from families that did this for generations.

      April 4, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
    • Saraswati

      Jonathan,

      There's nothing wrong with living next door to one's parents. I moved back to help care for my mother when she was dying and stayed in the area. But there is something wrong with never having a drive to explore and learn about the world and that's what folks I saw in NC were missing.

      April 6, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
  10. Dyslexic doG

    enjoy it while it lasts Christians. Another 10 or 20 generations and the human race will look on your God and Jesus the same way as we look on Zeus and Thor and Ra (and santa claus and the tooth fairy) today. What a giggle!

    April 4, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • William Demuth

      I actually see retributions coming in the future.

      Christianity is not a passive belief system, it is a bigoted world view that has inflicted substanative and quantifiable harm to millions of people.

      They are ALREADY paying out hundreds of millions in damages, and the courts have just begun tearing them apart!!

      It is a great thing to watch!!

      April 4, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • DougNJ

      Hey D-Dog, I personally like Norse religion. Four days of the week are named after Norse gods. Valhalla is my idea of heaven, drink mead and lust after women. Mmmmmmmm, nice. Much better than spending eternity singing praises to an insecure deity.

      April 4, 2013 at 9:37 pm |
    • NClaw441

      Christianity, often despite its leaders, has survived for over 2000 years. Its adherents are humans, and make errors, often intentionally. But so does everyone else. I wouldn't dismiss the Christian faith so quickly, not that you don't have the right to do so.

      April 5, 2013 at 10:42 am |
  11. MLK, JR RIP 4/4

    And so I'm happy, tonight.
    I'm not worried about anything.
    I'm not fearing any man!
    Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord!!

    April 4, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • MLK, JR RIP 4/4

      Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land!

      April 4, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • Jesus freaker

      You can get there faster if you jump off that mountain.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • meifumado

      I had a dream as well, but then the alarm clock went off.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
  12. Blessed are the Cheesemakers

    "Why do atheists even care what other people believe?"

    This is why, I don't want to live in a theocracy.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
  13. Universe

    Islamic scripture (Quran says)

    “The life of this world is no more than illusion and vanity, while the abode of the Hereafter is far better for the righteous. Do you not understand?! [6:32]

    “They do not value God as He should be valued. God is the Most Powerful, the Almighty.”[22:74]

    “If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of God. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.” [Quran 6:116]

    “They say , "We live only this life; we will not be resurrected. If you could only see them when they stand before their Lord! He would say, "Is this not the truth?" They would say, "Yes, by our Lord." He would say, "You have incurred the retribution by your disbelief." [6:30]

    “Losers indeed are those who disbelieve in meeting God, until the Hour comes to them suddenly, then say, "We deeply regret wasting our lives in this world." They will carry loads of their sins on their backs; what a miserable load! [6:31]

    “Recall that your Lord said to the angels, "I am placing a representative on Earth." They said, "Will You place therein one who will spread evil therein and shed blood, while we sing Your praises, glorify You, and uphold Your absolute authority?" He said, "I know what you do not know." [2:30]

    “They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.” Quran [6:100]

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is. [19:35]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to visit whyIslam org website.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Peter

      I can assure you that no one took the time to read your post.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
    • meifumado

      Misconceptions? we have no misconceptions of your horrid evil religion.
      Allow me to quote some of Islams beauty.
      Quran (3:56) – "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

      Quran (8:12) – "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

      Quran (9:5) – "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

      Quran (48:29) – "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves"

      April 4, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • meifumado

      But wait there's more!!

      Qur'an (4:11) – (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females"

      Qur'an (24:31) – Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye.

      Qur'an (2:223) – "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..."

      Bukhari (6:301) – "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"

      April 4, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • Saraswati

      Why Islam?

      Because in many Islamic countries you are essentially forbidden from converting or lose your special government benefits. And on the flip side, in places like the US you get to prove you're a radical and a manly man by converting to Islam and you never have to think for yourself again. Oh yeah, lots of reasons, just not many good ones.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
  14. William Demuth

    Perhaps some form of Federal fine for wasting our courts time is in order.

    Lets say a 50 million dollar fine be levied for every clearly illegal law past by a state?

    We could balance the budget on the backs of the rednecks in a year!

    April 4, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • sam

      They're also busy trying to repeal the Racial Justice Act, too.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • ME II

      Nah, it's be tied up in court for years over the meaning of "clearly".

      April 4, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • lol??

      deMouth sayz, ".......................rednecks in a year!................" With the antichrist HATERS' approval.

      April 4, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • William Demuth

      up, the Antichrists has officially seconded my motion

      Let’s pillory the Hill Billy’s

      Where a damn lion when you need one???

      April 4, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
  15. Kee

    Official religion? Seems VERY anti-gospel.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • Jesus freaker

      True.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
  16. William Demuth

    Actually, I believe this rises to the level of criminal activity

    We really need to start reeling in these lunatics, this has moved past the silly stage.

    I believe the key is a surprising one.

    We had made a choice during the cold war to base large amounts of our military far from our urban centers to spread out potential targets.

    I believe we now need to reverse this. If a Democratic administration would elect to close some of these states military bases, and shift them to more urban ares, these enclaves of stupidity would starve to death.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • lol??

      deMouth sayz, "..............starve to death....."

      HATE HATE HATE HATE, Did an XX teach you that?

      April 4, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
  17. ME II

    The next time they offer to leave (secede), maybe we should take them up on it.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • Peter

      Could we bomb the state until everyone living there was dead, and then reclaim it? If so I think that is a great idea.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • ME II

      I shouldn't have over generalized. As the article and Thoth pointed out elsewhere this is just two Reps in NC, not the state.

      April 4, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
  18. sam

    More dumbass grandstanding from the loonies people keep voting into office. Terrific.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • Akira

      No kidding.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills/House/PDF/H494v1.pdf

      It really is unbelievable:

      -– General Assembly of North Carolina Session 2013 Page 1 H494 [Edition 1]
      ...
      30 Be it resolved by the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring:
      31 SECTION 1. The North Carolina General Assembly asserts that the Const!tution
      32 of the United States of America does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws
      33 respecting an establishment of religion.
      34 SECTION 2. The North Carolina General Assembly does not recognize federal
      35 court rulings which prohibit and otherwise regulate the State of North Carolina, its public
      -– General Assembly of North Carolina Session 2013 Page 2 H494 [Edition 1]
      1 schools, or any political subdivisions of the State from making laws respecting an
      2 establishment of religion.

      April 4, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
  19. sam stone

    if north carolina does this, how far behind will south carolina, alabama, mississippi, louisiana and georgia be?

    April 4, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Pretty far I suspect, probably in about third grade by modern standards

      April 4, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
    • ME II

      " how far behind " in this case means 'how long until' not 'how much further back in education'.

      (normally i'd assume this was obvious, but I never know any more.)

      April 4, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • William Demuth

      Me

      Parody requires literary license!

      I understood the original intent, but chose to apply my own arbitrary standard

      This is often used in Biblical interpretation as well.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • ME II

      @William Demuth,
      I suspected as much, but as I said, I can't tell any more.

      April 4, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
  20. meifumado

    Ya, this is a bad thing.

    April 4, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
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