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Muslims in North Caucasus concerned about ‘extremism'
April 23rd, 2013
09:47 AM ET

Muslims in North Caucasus concerned about ‘extremism'

By Dan Merica, CNN
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Washington (CNN) – A majority of Muslims (57%) in Russia’s North Caucasus – including Chechnya, Dagestan and five other Russian jurisdictions – are either “very concerned” or “somewhat concerned” about religious extremist groups in their country, according to a Pew Research Center survey.

That number is higher than Russia as a whole, where more than four-in-10 Muslims in the country express the same level of concern.

This region of the world, particularly Chechnya and Dagestan, has been in the news recently because the suspects in last week’s Boston Marathon bombing – Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the younger brother who is still alive, and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older brother who died in a shootout last week – had familial ties to the region.

The two brothers were born in Kyrgyzstan, where 62% of Muslims told Pew they were very or somewhat concerned about extremism in the central Asian country.

Monday night, Dzhokhar told investigators that his older brother, Tamerlan, was the mastermind behind the Boston Marathon bombing that killed three and injured more than 260 people. Tamerlan appears to have become increasingly religious in the years leading up to the bombing, and interviews with family in Russia indicate that the older brother was radicalized while in America.

While there is so far no evidence that the brothers were associated to international jihadist groups, in August 2012, soon after returning from a long visit to Russia, Tamerlan created a YouTube channel with links to a number of videos including sermons or interviews with radical preachers.

Though extremist groups from Chechnya have carried out terrorist acts since the early 2000s, most of those attacks have been focused on Russia. An example: the Beslan school hostage crises in September 2004, where more than 300 people were killed.

Though experts say the Caucasus are quieter now, Thomas de Waal, an expert on the region, says there is a constant a low-level Islamist insurgency there.

The Pew data released Tuesday is part of a larger report on the state of Islam conducted from October 2011 to February 2012, with research collected before the Boston bombings.

The survey also found that Muslims in Russia’s North Caucasus – the dominant religion in the region – are more concerned about Islamic extremist groups than Christian groups. Thirty-six percent of Muslims said they were primarily worried about Islamic extremists, while only 2% indicated they were worried about Christian groups.

Russia, as a whole, is primarily Christian, with 73% of its population identifying with the faith, according to Pew’s 2012 Global Religious Landscape report. About 10% of the country’s population is Muslim – most of which live in the Russian Caucasus.

Likewise, in the brothers' birthplace of Kyrgyzstan, 32% of Muslims were concerned about Islamic extremist groups, while 5% were concerned with Christian extremism. According to Pew’s numbers on world religions, Muslims make up 88% of the country’s population, while 11% of Kyrgyz people are Christian.

In light of the bombing, Muslim leaders in Boston and around the United States condemned the attacks. “I don't care who or what these criminals claim to be, but I can never recognize these criminals as part of my city or my faith community," said Yusufi Vali, executive director for the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center, the largest mosque in the Boston area.

Imam Talal Eid, the imam at the Boston Islamic Institute, told CNN that he would refuse to give Tamerlan last rites. "A person who is devoted does not kill innocent people," Eid said.

- CNN’s Eric Marrapodi and Jake Tapper contributed to this report.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Islam • Polls • Russia • Terrorism

soundoff (902 Responses)
  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    April 27, 2013 at 5:43 am |
    • Science

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life.............go pound sand .........troll !

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

      April 27, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
  2. Reality

    Tis all about the Three B Syndrome (Bred, Born and Brainwashed) is some form of religion and in this case Islam:

    Added details:

    “John Hick, a noted British philosopher of religion, estimates that 95 percent of the people of the world owe their religious affiliation to an accident (the randomness) of birth. The faith of the vast majority of believers depends upon where they were born and when. Those born in Saudi Arabia will almost certainly be Moslems, and those born and raised in India will for the most part be Hindus. Nevertheless, the religion of millions of people can sometimes change abruptly in the face of major political and social upheavals. In the middle of the sixth century ce, virtually all the people of the Near East and Northern Africa, including Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt were Christian. By the end of the following century, the people in these lands were largely Moslem, as a result of the militant spread of Islam.

    The Situation Today
    Barring military conquest, conversion to a faith other than that of one’s birth is rare. Some Jews, Moslems, and Hindus do convert to Christianity, but not often. Similarly, it is not common for Christians to become Moslems or Jews. Most people are satisfied that their own faith is the true one or at least good enough to satisfy their religious and emotional needs. Had St. Augustine or St. Thomas Aquinas been born in Mecca at the start of the present century, the chances are that they would not have been Christians but loyal followers of the prophet Mohammed. “ J. Somerville

    It is very disturbing that religious narrow- mindedness, intolerance, violence and hatred continues unabated due to randomness of birth. Maybe, just maybe if this fact would be published on the first page of every newspaper every day, that we would finally realize the significant stupidity of all religions.

    April 24, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
  3. Here CNN belief blog

    You guys need this...

    http://powerstates.com/10-cognitive-thinking-errors

    April 24, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      That would pretty much end the blog

      April 24, 2013 at 10:41 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll...and
      Stated...A criminal might subvert this sacrament but that would make him a criminal, not a priest and would result in immediate ex-communication.
      Bill's wisdom...The truth is the truth whether everyone believes it or no one believes it. ???
      Since all of your opinions and statements are based on RCC dogma or the catechism, just be a good sheep and parrot the latest orders from the hierarchy. That is all you are good for, Billy.

      April 24, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      And now you know:

      The Vatican said in a statement Monday that Francis had reaffirmed the doctrinal evaluation and criticism of U.S. nuns made last year by the Holy See under his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI. The azzessment accused the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, an organization that represents most U.S. female Catholic orders, of promoting "radical feminist themes" and ignoring the Vatican's hard line on same-seex marriage and abortion.

      April 24, 2013 at 11:29 am |
    • Dan

      There's nothing I enjoy more than ignoring the Vatican.

      April 24, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll...etc.
      Passing strange that Mary is venerated as the virgin mother of jesus when she was simply a convenient va-gina and womb for your god. Strange that he could not make his supposed son the same way he created man in the first place, oh well. I am glad you stand with the hierarchy in maintaining woman as the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the laity. Barefoot and pregnant with no choice about contraception and how they control their bodies and not just the woman that buy into your BS but woman that should be none of your bloody business. The scourge of STD in Africa is a damnation of your ugly religion.

      April 24, 2013 at 11:47 am |
  4. William Demuth

    I wonder if we asked the Christians in South Carolina if they were concerned about extremists in their midst how different the replies might have been?

    Religion blinds one to the extremists sitting next to you.

    If you believe in the same fabricated deity, you are forgiving of each other

    If it is a different deity, then the man is an extremist.

    Ask an Evangelical to name ONE of his brothers whom he deems to be suffering from a Religious Psychosis, and most won’t be able to even admit that anyone ever has.

    Ask an Evangelical to name ONE church within Christianity that functions as a cult and they will refuse, but they will gladly throw the Mormons under the bus.

    In a nut shell, if you have the same delusion you are forgiving of obvious madness

    April 24, 2013 at 9:22 am |
    • The Demon Deacon

      WD
      Remember to tell Bill Deacon, he keeps forgetting, thanks.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:39 am |
    • lol??

      DeMouth, watch what comes out of yer mouth. It corrupts you. Cult, how 'bout the Ted Haggard flock?

      April 24, 2013 at 9:41 am |
    • Not everyone is blinded, WD!!!!

      Not everyone is blinded, WD!!!! Th

      April 24, 2013 at 9:46 am |
    • Not everyone is blinded, WD!!!!

      It's just that other should know there is only one KING!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVkoQHCXSK8

      April 24, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • lol??

      All kinds of political, religious, and scientific wackyness came out of the 19th century and paved the way for the 20th century bloodbath. Wake up and put down yer tunnel vision, AKA hate.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      De cyphering your obvious derision of delusions to which you are opposed and completely sidestepping the ones to which you ascribe ( I suppose anyone is susceptible to denial of their pet delusion ); I'm wondering, it appears that you are promoting non-forgiveness. Do I have that correct?

      April 24, 2013 at 10:38 am |
    • William Demuth

      LOL

      Seriously?

      The 19th Centuries blood baths far exceed todays.

      Perhaps a REAL blood bath might mean progress.

      There were single days in WW2 (Perhaps even single hours) where the casualties exceeded the TOTAL losses in the War Against Terror.

      Perhaps we might speed things up a bit? This Psuedo War lost our interest ages and ages ago.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:38 am |
    • William Demuth

      Me?

      I don't care about forgivness, neither giving it nor getting it.

      I suggest you study the ancient text called Baba O'riley to understand

      As for the broader question, only one group wins

      Why would I as an Athiest care if YOUR God was crushed under the heels of a different faith?

      It is YOU and the madness you have that is the greater threat to me, not some foolish children stuck somewhere between the Disco movement and an early death. Far more died the same day from guns flooding the inner cities than from some Rag Heads with a pop bottle bomb

      As long as you cults want to kill each other it's fine with me, but leave us innocent non believers out of your insanity

      April 24, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • lol??

      Right deMouth, if ya can figure out what century yer in.

      April 24, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • Akira

      ". Far more died the same day from guns flooding the inner cities than from some Rag Heads with a pop bottle bomb."

      As bombastically as Mr. Demuth puts is, he is correct.
      Far more people die from gs wounds than the terroristic acts, hands down.

      April 24, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • lol??

      Right Akira, if ya can figure out what century I was talkin' about. BTW, intentional abortions in the 20th century were probably 20-25 times the "holocaust". I doubt many were muslim.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
  5. Doc Vestibule

    Bible or Quran:
    1) "Anyone who rejects verdict of God must be put to death."
    2) "Ask the Lord for forgiveness and then repent to Him. The Lord is Most Merciful, Most Loving."

    Jesus or Mohammad:
    1) “Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever is not kind has no faith.”
    2) "If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one"

    April 24, 2013 at 8:52 am |
    • Not so Jolly St. Nick

      A few weeks ago this kid knocked over my yard ornaments. He believes in Santa. Surely he must have done it because he believes in Santa. Infact, I bet all kids who believe in Santa are evil.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • Austin

      Doc, God is not stuck in a book. One thing both Islaam and Christianity agree on is that Jesus Christ was the high prophet, and the messiah. So why don't we just talk about God, and what the messiah is. this is important.

      We as humans, are not at God's level of justice. We are not admitted into heaven without the atoning work of Christ. Let us not be disgruntled and call ourselves scholars and moral/ educational guides to righteousness. We are Created by God as soul and spirit in a physical body. Of course, due to the effects of sin and the dispersion of the lineage of Adam, there is a compet.tion for the rights to claim God.

      There is only one messiah.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • oOo

      You're right, Austin, don't call yourself a scholar. Call yourself a whacko. It's a perfect fit.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:14 am |
    • sam stone

      Austin: More delusional claptrap.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Austin
      As we've seen over this last week especially, a lot of American's are Islamaphobic without actually understanding the Muslim Holy Book. They paint the Quran as a violent book and Mohammad as a degenerate who preached hatred.

      There are passages of violence and forgiveness in all the Abrahamic holy books and words from any prophet that can be interpreted as a call to arms.

      As with any religion, it is up to the individual to make their own assessment and take what they like from the books.
      But to paint any of them with the broad brush of" (INSERT RELIGION) is violent and repressive becuase all of them believe (INSERT PASSAGE) from (INSERT HOLY BOOK) is plain old prejudice.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:30 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Re:,"One thing both Islaam and Christianity agree on is that Jesus Christ was the high prophet, and the messiah."

      Anyone else think Austin can't come up with a single muslim that agrees with this statement?

      April 24, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @HotAirAce
      Muslims do believe that Jesus was a messiah – but the word doesn't mean the same thing to them.
      They do not believe that He was divine, but rather that he was one of God's prophets, like Moses and Mohammad.
      They also reject the whole crucifiction/resurrection schtick and maintain that Christ ascended bodily to Heaven and will return to bring about the End of teh World.
      Basically, "Prophet" and "Messiah" are synonymns in Islamic theology.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:24 am |
    • HotAirAce

      It seems to me that agreeing on words that each party defines differently is not really agreeing on the substance. And denying the divinity of jesus would seem to be more than a wee problem for all christians. But the bit that first caught my eye was "the prophet" – perhaps I am putting too much emphasis on "the" but I don't think any muslim is going to relegate Mo to second tier or even "1A" and "1B." Or maybe Austin was just being his usual dumb arrogant self.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @HotAirAce
      Indeed – he is being a bit disingenuous.
      Jesus isn't considered THE Most High Prophet, but rather A prophet.
      The line goes, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mohammad.

      Becuase Mo is the latest prophet, He has the most up to date messages from God.
      He's like Prophet Version 6.0

      April 24, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Thanks Doc! More like V0.6 – not out of field test nor prime time.

      April 24, 2013 at 7:46 pm |
  6. lol??

    Good ol' Janis Joplin, at your service:

    Summertime, time, time
    Child, the living's easy
    Fish are jumping out
    And the cotton, Lord
    Cotton's high, Lord so high

    Your daddy's rich
    And your ma is so good-looking, baby
    She's a-looking good now
    Hush, baby, baby, baby, baby, baby
    No, no, no, no, don't you cry, don't you cry
    [ From: http://www.metrolyrics.com/summertime-lyrics-janis-joplin.html ]

    One of these mornings
    You're gonna rise, rise up singing
    You're gonna spread your wings, child
    And take, take to the sky
    Lord, the sky

    Read more: JANIS JOPLIN – SUMMERTIME LYRICS

    April 24, 2013 at 8:48 am |
    • Science

      Hey lol??..............better put on your steel pot, this might be way over your head to figure out !...The fairy is between your ears !

      Genetic Circuit Allows Both Individual Freedom, Collective Good

      Apr. 22, 2013 — Individual freedom and social responsibility may sound like humanistic concepts, but an investigation of the genetic circuitry of bacteria suggests that even the simplest creatures can make difficult choices that strike a balance between selflessness and selfishness.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130422123042.htm

      April 24, 2013 at 8:56 am |
    • lol??

      Don't get wound up, Science, with any steel pot. You should be relaxin', not this:

      (Yeah, yeah, oh-yeah, what condition my condition was in)

      I woke up this mornin' with the sundown shinin' in
      I found my mind in a brown paper bag within
      I tripped on a cloud and fell-a eight miles high
      I tore my mind on a jagged sky
      I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in

      (Yeah, yeah, oh-yeah, what condition my condition was in)

      I pushed my soul in a deep dark hole and then I followed it in
      I watched myself crawlin' out as I was a-crawlin' in
      I got up so tight I couldn't unwind
      I saw so much I broke my mind
      I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in

      April 24, 2013 at 9:28 am |
    • Science

      You know lol??..............Humpty Dumbty had a great fall and could not put the fairy back together again , don't you ?

      April 24, 2013 at 9:43 am |
    • The real Tom

      YOu are an idiot, as if anyone didn't already know it. Janis didn't write those lyrics, you fvckup.

      April 27, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
  7. lol??

    Nasty ol' spring is almost over. Relax and give to your favorite mosque to play after prayer time.

    You can stretch right up and touch the sky
    When the weather's fine
    You got women, you got women on your mind
    Have a drink, have a drive
    Go out and see what you can find

    If her daddy's rich take her out for a meal
    If her daddy's poor just do what you feel
    Speed along the lane
    Do a ton or a ton an' twenty-five
    When the sun goes down
    You can make it, make it good in a lay-by

    We're no threat, people
    We're not dirty, we're not mean
    We love everybody but we do as we please
    When the weather's fine
    We go fishin' or go swimmin' in the sea
    We're always happy
    Life's for livin' yeah, that's our philosophy

    Sing along with us
    Dee dee dee-dee dee
    Dah dah dah-dah dah
    Yeah we're hap-happy
    Dah dah-dah
    Dee-dah-do dee-dah-do dah-do-dah
    Dah-do-dah-dah-dah

    More lyrics: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/m/mungo_jerry/

    April 24, 2013 at 8:41 am |
  8. lol??

    Made it through another Semitic spring? See any bodies poppin' out of graves? Relax fragile psyches. Summertime is near!

    There's a summer place
    Where it may rain or storm
    Yet I'm safe and warm
    For within that summer place
    Your arms reach out to me
    And my heart is free from all care
    For it knows

    There are no gloomy skies
    When seen through the eyes
    Of those who are blessed with love

    And the sweet secret of
    A summer place
    Is that it's anywhere
    When two people share
    All their hopes
    All their dreams
    All their love

    April 24, 2013 at 8:13 am |
  9. ronvan

    WHY are there so many Gods? Different names, different stories, beleifs? Is it only ONE God with different names depending on the nationality? WHY do we continually TRY to force OUR reliogion on others, when no one can prove or disprove either? ALL religions have skeletons in the closet and have killed in the name of their religion throughout history!
    Right now muslims and their religion are under the spotlight. WHY, as reported, there are over a billion muslims in the world, and only a few are creating these insane acts, that the many are not condemning the few? There is a big problem, for me, in that a good muslim follows the teachings of the Qura'n? YET, its teachings state that it is OK to carry out jihads, to kill all the infidels, but they are killing their OWN people, men, women & children? WHY is it that their religious leaders are supporting these killers? They remain silent and even pray and give blessing for terrorists killings?

    April 24, 2013 at 8:01 am |
    • lol??

      All the myths of the past can be hard boiled down to one doctrine. False mediators. Poor little gods, just like Allah.

      April 24, 2013 at 8:09 am |
    • Austin

      ya lol, these poor things are the Cain/Baal initiative. Wannabees!

      April 24, 2013 at 8:13 am |
    • Austin

      Gal 2

      .....if we find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. 19“For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”

      April 24, 2013 at 8:16 am |
    • Larry

      "False" according to your opinions, right guys? It's not like you can "prove" that they're false any more than atheists here can prove Christianity is false. You both just disregard other religions and mythology because you don't find them compelling enough to take seriously, right? See, you're not so different from us after all, are you?

      April 24, 2013 at 10:22 am |
  10. ronvan

    Well I have said it before, now I will say it again: The arguments over religions & God are never ending! NO ONE on this planet can provide 100% proof that atheists or christians have the right answer! For me, it has always been two words. BELEIF & FAITH! For both sides of these arguments, opinions, these two words apply! I was raised to beleive and have faith in MY God & savior! Both affect me on a daily basis. HOWEVER, it does not mean that I do not have many unanswered questions! ALL religious books, that I know of, and sure not an expert here, have been written, re written, stories embellished, changed, omitted, by HUMANS who wrote, interpreted these stories, "facts" as they saw them or were told to them during their period in time! WHY is it that, we hear stories of religions, who suppossedly have religious items, but WE are not allowed to see? Is it because these things would prove God, the bible, are true? OR would it disprove?
    Things like this only create more questions.

    April 24, 2013 at 7:40 am |
    • Saraswati

      The interesting questions I see raised are 1) why do some people need so desperately to feel certainty and 2) given that this need appears to drive conflict, how can it be diminished in those people for whom this is a problem? How can that group of people who need certainty like others need heroin be helped to feel happiness without it as the rest of us do?

      April 24, 2013 at 7:46 am |
    • Austin

      Saraswati, if there were no resurrection Christianity should be something that should be a priority to heal the people who are brainwashed. I was on who firmly believed this until the truth started being revealed to me supernaturally. God is not stuck in a book. The living God reveals Himself. Instead of needing to feel sure and striving, God has provided a faith that will never be explained by a scientific text book.

      His kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. God's ways are not like human will power. His power transcends a physical body as He is omnipresent. He is everywhere and can speak through anything.

      April 24, 2013 at 8:23 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      No resurrection could possibly have happened Austin...it is scientifically impossible and story made up by man to instill fear in simple minded, gullible fools. If you can locate one other story of resurrection that is substantiated by scientific evidence then we might have reason to reconsider our stance but until that point there simply is no reason to believe it.

      April 24, 2013 at 8:26 am |
    • Austin

      Good Morning Truth Prevails! How ya doin?

      Aside for the fact that people like me have experienced a supernatural God ? The Holy Spirit reveals spiritual power to people. I experienced a series of supernatural events there were like twelve packed into about 3 months where the spirit unveiled His presence through dreams, and through other people. The future was laid ahead of time in dreams and the interaction with other people . These events prove God to me . Any rational person who went through this would know that God truly is there.

      26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.

      17“ ‘In the last days, God says,
      I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
      Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
      your young men will see visions,
      your old men will dream dreams.

      do you see where it says, "the Spirit will testify", and then in Acts "yous sons will dream dreams"

      You had better fn listen to what I am telling you . This has happened to me. You have right here before you, Austin, me , who has experienced a supernatural chain of supernatural unveiling of the Spirit. and you many not have another person with the same experience as I have had beg you to open you eyes and ears. I have no personal satisfaction or agenda other than I have this gift of faith, that you are commanded to receive.

      6For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

      Come to the cross!

      April 24, 2013 at 8:43 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "You had better fn listen to what I am telling you ."

      Wow...no, your own personal experiences do not equate to god. When Science provides the sufficient evidence for a god, I will change my mind. I have no reason to accept your dreams or stories as anything more than what they are-stories. I'm not worried about a god that can't be shown with any evidence to exist.
      Maybe you don't care about evidence that is peer-reviewed and accepted but I do.
      Your story is not so rare and yet stories like yours are always shown to be false...check of the JREF, they have done these studies and nothing has yet been proven.
      It's your delusion, not mine...I'm good without god.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • Brother Maynard

      Austin sez:
      "The Holy Spirit reveals spiritual power to people. I experienced a series of supernatural events there were like twelve packed into about 3 months where the spirit unveiled His presence through dreams,"
      That's great ... and TRUELY I'm happy for you.
      So question. Did these supernatural events just 'happen' to you over these 3 months?
      IF 'YES' , in the end ... IF god does exists... the only lesson I'm learning from your story is that god chooses to ignore me.

      And if you say " you have to open your heart to god " What is that procedure? HOW does one do that ?

      April 24, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • oOo

      You're silly, Austin with your silly dreams. If there were really anything to those silly dreams we'd be hearing about you on the news and not through some blog. There is more evidence that lucky charms has healing powers than there is that your silly dreams are anything but dreams.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:06 am |
    • Austin

      Just be truly desperately serious, and approach God through the forgiveness of sin. There is no other issue at hand. God's holiness is the entire issue with how to exist as God's children.

      Right where you are, in the quietness of your soul, thank the Lord for forgiveness. And you will be sealed by the Holy Spirit.

      Is there a desire within you to know God, to truly know the God of all life? If you want that, you have it.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:10 am |
    • oOo

      "Just be truly desperately serious, and approach God through the forgiveness of sin. "

      You do that, Austin, but leave me out of it. I don't want all the silly string that goes with your unfounded beliefs.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:16 am |
    • Brother Maynard

      Austin sez:
      "Right where you are, in the quietness of your soul, thank the Lord for forgiveness. And you will be sealed by the Holy Spirit. "
      yea ... done that ... multiple times ... nothing
      what now ?

      April 24, 2013 at 9:18 am |
    • My Name is Legion

      Austin
      Listen, buddy, don't miss out on this years tornado season and head down to Kansas. Try and catch a flier to the land of Oz and find the Wizard, because like the Scarecrow, you could really use a brain.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:21 am |
    • Brother Maynard

      Austin sez:
      " "
      basically the same thing I got from 'god'

      April 24, 2013 at 10:03 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Re: tornadoes, Austin has survived a plague of dead cats and we all know how serious that problem is. I'm sure he will have no problem convincing himself that his imaginary buddy will provide him with all the physical protection he needs, and if he was to die, so be it, gods work in mysterious ways. . .

      April 24, 2013 at 10:11 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      Austin,

      No, a normal person would not automatically think that this was a supernatural event. They would realize how easy it is to decieve the human brain and that there may be some other explanation. What you are talking about is the clasic example of an argumen from ignorance.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:13 am |
    • Larry

      Austin
      There are people like you who have experienced other "supernatural" things, like reincarnation, ghosts, UFO alien abductions, and contact with other gods, right? Should we then accept all such claims on face value, just because claimants like you are totally convinced that what they experienced could not be something else?

      April 24, 2013 at 10:28 am |
  11. Saraswati

    I think one of the few good things to come out of all the trouble caused by extremist Islam is that in any country not under their grip people really start to see the parallel between the extremism in Islam and any remnants in their own religion. In the US, each time the "Islamic State" proponent's stupidity is on display people re-examinethe parallel to the fanaticism of the "Christian State" proponents. Every time the Islamic rhetoric is pushed back into the media we see the comparisons made clear and another drop in support for fundamentalists of any kind who try to push their views on us.

    April 24, 2013 at 7:33 am |
    • Austin

      Again there are verses about Jihad, and the bible seems to lack a holy war outside of the return of Jesus Christ. I say this not that we are not at war spiritually, the bible says that the nations and globe will be dominated by Satan until the return. Extremism is there though and even in the past i believe that most of violence with Christianity taken as a name of cause were not at all genuinely about being Christian. Those wars would have happened anyway. (burning withes on the other hand may be and example where fanatics were killing for a religious cause) But Hitler would have gone to war without being Catholic, and the Crusades would have happened without the religion involved. Slavery would have happened without people calling themselves Christian. The war in sudan would happen without the religious labeling.

      Regional conflict and hatred, war happens regardless of religion.

      April 24, 2013 at 8:32 am |
    • oOo

      BS, Austin. One can certainly debate the possible effect of religion of any particular conflict, retrospectively, but your notions of certainty about what would have been with/without, blah blah blah, are yet another sign of your inability to think logically.

      April 24, 2013 at 9:36 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Clearly Austin is not a Scotsmen, or something like that. . .

      Austin's world view is very simple – all good things come from true believers of the dead jew zombie death cult aka christianity and by definition anyone doing anything "not good" is not, and never was, a true christian.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:20 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Austin likes to jump to wild conclusions, and thinks everyone should use the same flawed logic that he does. If you have read his posts, his own story shows that he is an extremely bad decision maker, and his latest addiction is religion. Religion loves those who have addictive personally disorders such as austin clearly has.

      His mind is clearly unstable and I have advised him to get professional (non-religious) help, but he thinks his delusion will help him. Satistics would indicate that he will drop religion and jump to another addiction in the future.

      April 24, 2013 at 10:27 am |
    • Larry

      Austin
      Satan could just as easily be behind Christian extremism, couldn't he? Most Christians would draw the line at Westboro Baptist Church as being beyond the pale. Others would call Mormonism or the Catholic Church a satanic cult. Always the other group, but never your own. Funny how that works, eh?

      April 24, 2013 at 10:34 am |
  12. lol??

    How's the A&A's group therapy doing on this thread? Some soothing lyrics for your tumultuous day:

    Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket
    Never let it fade away
    Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket
    Save it for a rainy day

    For love may come and tap you on the shoulder some starless night
    Just in case you feel you want to hold her
    You'll have a pocketful of starlight

    April 24, 2013 at 6:50 am |
    • midwest rail

      How's life on the compound this morning ?

      April 24, 2013 at 7:01 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket
      And your pants will start on fire.

      – Dr. Greg Graffin

      April 24, 2013 at 8:03 am |
    • Austin

      true story, on the fourth of july a friend of a friend was smoking a cigarette with a smaller artillery shell in his pocked with the wick hanging out. and he ashed on the thing and it lit. it was a "crackler" and he burns on 80 percent of his body and he ran in to the bathroom, filling the house with smoke, turned on the cold water and passed out in the bathtub with the door locked.

      they kicked in the door and the ambulence was on the way.

      April 24, 2013 at 8:50 am |
    • HotAirAce

      What!?!? A dead cat's spirit didn't prevent this disaster? Why am I reminded about Darwin and gene pools?

      April 24, 2013 at 10:24 am |
    • Science

      Hey lol??.......................little grains of sand ................makes a big ROCK .

      I carry a couple in my pockets, for educational purposes ...........................for creationists !

      A little backfill on those stoney irom meteorites !.

      Grains of Sand from Ancient Supernova Found in Meteorites: Supernova May Have Been the One That Triggered the Formation of the Solar System

      Apr. 19, 2013 — It's a bit like learning the secrets of the family that lived in your house in the 1800s by examining dust particles they left behind in cracks in the floorboards.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130422111246.htm

      April 24, 2013 at 10:38 am |
    • Science

      The sky is falling lol?? .............better go get your steel pot !

      April 24, 2013 at 10:43 am |
    • Jim

      HAA
      Yup, stuffing explosives in your pocket sounds like a line in a Jeff Foxworthy joke, doesn't it?

      April 24, 2013 at 11:40 am |
  13. Prayer Works!

    What perfect proof of the wonders of prayer in the story below! Praise Jesus!

    http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/national_world&id=9075834

    April 24, 2013 at 2:09 am |
    • Praise Jesus

      That is a beautiful story. God bless those parents and praise the Lord!

      April 24, 2013 at 2:41 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      actions cause change; prayer is a waste of valuable time.

      a story about joining a cult like christianity is not heart-warming. it's sad. religion teaches you to turn off your brain. turn it back on - think for yourself. you won't be sorry.

      April 24, 2013 at 5:19 am |
    • midwest rail

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57580900/second-child-of-faith-healing-couple-dies-after-no-medical-care-sought/

      April 24, 2013 at 5:19 am |
    • Bob1god

      U b liar, god doesn't like that!

      April 24, 2013 at 6:28 am |
  14. Reality

    Only for the eyes of the sisters and brothers of Islam residing in Russia’s North Caucasus -–

    Putting the kibosh on all religion and ending all this craziness in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    • A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinkerbells? etc) exist that we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    Ввод крест на всякой религии и заканчивая все это сумасшествие менее чем за десять секунд: Бесценный!

    • Насколько он знает или может сказать, что не было никакого Авраама т.е. основы иудаизма, христианства и ислама не существует.

    • Насколько он знает или может сказать, что не было никакого Моисея т.е. столпов иудаизма, христианства и ислама нет силы цели.

    • Был не Габриэль т.е. ислам не терпит неудачу как религии. Христианство частично удается.

    • Там не было никакой Пасхи т.е. христианство совершенно не как религию.

    • Был не мормонов Морони т.е. это не более чем бизнес-культ.

    • Священная / почитается коровы, обезьяны богам, касты, превращения и, следовательно, не может индуизма как религии.

    • Жир Будды здесь, тощий Будд там, перевоплотился / Reborn Будд везде делает для не по буддизму.

    • постоянный цикл реинкарнации, пока просветления не будет достигнуто и вера, что различные существа (ангелы?, Tinkerbells? Т.д.) существуют, что мы, смертные, не может понять, делает для не на сикхизма.

    Добавлена более подробная информация предоставляется по письменному запросу.

    April 23, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
  15. What we know about Muslims

    Angry
    Atrocious
    Bad
    Corrupt
    Depraved
    Flatulant
    Vicious
    Vile
    Wicked
    Hateful
    Loathsome
    Uneducated
    Violent
    Barbaric
    Criminal
    Sick
    Retarded
    Insane
    Smelly
    Festering
    Stinking
    Frightening
    Horrible
    Disgusting
    Evil
    Heinous
    Hideous
    Festering
    abhorrent
    destestable
    offensive
    rotten
    maloderous
    bizarre
    demented
    psychotic
    rabid
    senseless
    maniacal
    assholes
    fuckwads

    April 23, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      O, wad some Power the giftie gie us
      To see oursels as others see us!
      It wad frae monie a blunder free us,
      An' foolish notion.

      Robert Burns

      April 23, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
    • Been medicated

      Lately?

      April 23, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
    • What we know about Christians

      Angry
      Atrocious
      Bad
      Corrupt
      Depraved
      Flatulant
      Vicious
      Vile
      Wicked
      Hateful
      Loathsome
      Uneducated
      Violent
      Barbaric
      Criminal
      Sick
      Retarded
      Insane
      Smelly
      Festering
      Stinking
      Frightening
      Horrible
      Disgusting
      Evil
      Heinous
      Hideous
      Festering
      abhorrent
      destestable
      offensive
      rotten
      maloderous
      bizarre
      demented
      psychotic
      rabid
      senseless
      maniacal
      assholes
      fuckturds

      April 24, 2013 at 2:45 am |
  16. lionlylamb

    To live eternal does not mean one does not have to die. The doors to living eternally are deadly and in rebirth one continues on eternally living out as fragmented Life-seeds upon one's indelible path ever cleansing the Way from and the Ways in and the Way toward living within and upon eternal understandings

    April 23, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      Keep going. You really are good at keeping a very consistent level of utterly irrelevant and useless posts.

      April 23, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • Austin

      Lionly lamb is a baroque rapper! I love it. Worth money.

      April 23, 2013 at 10:59 pm |
    • Akira

      This sounds like reincarnation, lionlylamb. Is that what you're referring to?

      April 23, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Akira made mention that my writings seemed reflective to her as reincarnation. They aren't though. With all the billions of things all living and dying upon the celestial shorelines the odds are perhaps many trillion to one in coming back as once was. Duck today and rodent tomorrow and maybe a gnat come the next round. What then? Becoming rooted much like a tree or a bush? I would rather live in the everlasting moments in altered states of living then to stay bound forever as nothingness, the chillingly coldest place that literally and physically burns beyond belief! 🙁

      April 23, 2013 at 11:57 pm |
    • .

      LL is the belief blog pseudo intellect, don't bother trying to read their posts, just laugh and move on.

      April 24, 2013 at 8:43 am |
  17. biggles

    I really don.'t like exposing atheists on this forum. Many of them are dear folk who have temporarily lost their way. They've been duped by others with an agenda. Nevertheless, here goes.

    Beloved, god is real and atheists know this perfectly well. They know Hitler was a devout believer. They know so because he said so. Therefore, god is real. How do they know? Hitler said so.

    April 23, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @biggles

      Are you a poe or are you really that arrogant and stupid?

      April 23, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
    • Akira

      I'm especially impressed with the respect biggles gives to God by the capitalization of the word.

      April 23, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
    • Akira

      Biggles capitalizes Hitler, but not God? Curious.

      April 23, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
    • Austin

      Honor and respect Hitlers word. he isn't God, so why not?

      April 23, 2013 at 11:01 pm |
    • Austin

      I wish my name was blue and I could type a smiley face.

      April 23, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • Akira

      Biggles honors and respects Hitler's word, but not God's? I don't know anyone at all who respects Hitler's words. Even more curious.

      To make a smiley face, use a colon symbol and a right parentheses symbol, with no space in between. Hope this helps.

      April 23, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
  18. lionlylamb

    Atheists augment to torment. Christians do too. People gather and so do these two. Christians love physically, emotionally and spiritually. Atheists love physically and emotionally. Break the bread. Drink what's there. Let what's dead to the histories dare put blame upon no one anymore!

    Eat it and quit with the smoking of it! No more with second hand smoke! Fudge brownies and peanut-butter cookies are better options. 🙂 🙁 🙂

    April 23, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
    • Everyone on the Blog

      ;(

      April 23, 2013 at 10:12 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Maybe this sounds weird, and maybe most atheists will think I'm "off," but I feel far, far more "spiritual" as an atheist than I did as a believer. I enjoy astronomy and reading up on the newest theories on the nature of reality, and I find myself considering very interesting options for the "reason of our existence." You don't have to believe in god to have a healthy sense of wonder, gratefulness, and awe.

      April 23, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Moby,

      The views of astronomy and of the atomics may well be not much different. The more one looks the more same the looks become! Fractal Cosmology anyone?

      April 23, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
  19. Apple Bush

    Stupid and Dangerous: Christians

    A special kind of stupid and extremely dangerous: Islam

    April 23, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Nothing is more dangerous than hindu secular ism, criminal self center ism, way of hindu, criminals. foundation of hinduism racism , faith of hindus, racist, hnid hell on earth and sure way to hind, hell after death. Not of truth absolute GOD, but hind, filth of human soul filthy desire, cause of human hinduism, demise.

      April 23, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • Answer

      Islam, filth. Always.

      April 23, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
  20. The Illinois Enema Bandit

    I would like to give all Muslims a little....enema. It will clean the poisen from their systems.

    I'll just be pumpin' every one of 'em up with all the bag fulla , The Illinois Enema Bandit Juice.

    April 23, 2013 at 8:03 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Good process to adopt, to drain hindu secular ism, criminal self center ism out of hindu secular s, criminal self centered, to make them under stand, hind, filthy of hindu secular ism, self center ism, take a dose your self, may be it will help you , to think like a human.

      April 23, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Islamabot Consti pation, is it true? You know, what they say about your penis?

      April 23, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Ya, my deformed penis is almost inverted inhuman hind laughable ism

      April 23, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Apple Bush, here is everything you always wanted to know about Muslim s ex but were afraid to ask, visit the link from British Library, a nice collection of ca1800 Muslim artwork. On upper right there is a Previous and Next button, make sure to see them all

      http://wellcomeimages.org/indexplus/result.html?_IXMAXHITS_=1&_IXACTION_=query&_IXFIRST_=80&_IXSR_=KFxB0Rc3MDm&_IXSS_=_IXMAXHITS_%3d15%26_IXFPFX_%3dtemplates%252ft%26_IXFIRST_%3d1%26c%3d%2522historical%2bimages%2522%26%252asform%3dwellcome%252dimages%26%2524%253dsi%3dtext%26_IXACTION_%3dquery%26i_pre%3d%26IXTO%3d%26t%3d%26_IXINITSR_%3dy%26i_num%3d%26%2524%253dsort%3dsort%2bsortexpr%2bimage_sort%26w%3d%26%2524%253ds%3dindia%26IXFROM%3d%26_IXshc%3dy%26%2524%2b%2528%2528with%2bwi_sfgu%2bis%2bY%2529%2band%2bnot%2b%2528%2522contemporary%2bclinical%2bimages%2522%2bindex%2bwi_collection%2bor%2b%2522corporate%2bimages%2522%2bindex%2bwi_collection%2529%2529%2band%2bnot%2bwith%2bsys_deleted%3d%252e%26_IXrescount%3d1078&_IXSPFX_=templates%2ft&_IXFPFX_=templates%2ft

      April 23, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      hinduism, absurdity of a hindu ID thief hindu secular, criminal self centered.

      April 23, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
    • Akira

      Most of the art there, especially the flying penises and vaginas, are Indian in provenance. Very little is Persian.

      April 23, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Yes Akira, that region is present day India, but it was well under muslim rulers at one time, and drawings are muslim artworks, the language on the artwork is called Urdoo, present day national language of Pakistan.

      April 24, 2013 at 8:59 am |
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