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Catholic ads in NY: Jesus was 'the original hipster'
April 24th, 2013
07:17 PM ET

Catholic ads in NY: Jesus was 'the original hipster'

By Pallavi Reddy, CNN

(CNN) - Ads around Brooklyn bring a new meaning to Joan Osborne's lyrics, “What if God was one of us?”

In a new ad campaign launched by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn this month, people in the borough and neighboring Queens have a new way to view Jesus: “The Original Hipster.”

The ads feature the bottom half of a man - meant to be Jesus - wearing robes with a pair of dirty red Converse sneakers peeking out from the bottom.

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In a news release, the diocese refers to Seth Meyers' joke on “Saturday Night Live” that Converse sneakers are why more Catholics are returning to the church, and says the marketing campaign is “showing a cooler and more welcoming side of the Catholic Church.”

Brooklyn's Williamsburg neighborhood, near Queens, is considered to be the "unofficial East Coast birthplace of hipsterism," as a 2012 article in Forbes put it.

Monsignor Kieran Harrington said he understood the importance of relating to the people of the area.

“Jesus appears (in these ads) like people of the L train,” he said. “What is a hipster anyway? Someone who stands against the (mainstream) culture. Jesus stood against the culture.”

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Ten months ago, the conversation started about creating such a campaign to let people know there are a variety of different faces who attend the church.

Harrington says these particular ads were a collaboration with the ad and PR agency Ruckus. Now they are found in places where the church doesn't usually advertise, including bus stands, restaurants and gyms.

The ads have generated online buzz in Salon, the Gothamist and other sites, and traffic on the diocese's website has gone up 400%, Harrington said.

As for what kind of ads to expect from the diocese next, the monsignor said: “It’s for you to find out.”

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  1. The Bible in 50 words

    God made
    Adam bit
    Noah arked
    Abraham split
    Jacob fooled
    Joseph ruled
    Bush talked
    Pharaoh plagued
    Sea divided
    Tablets guided
    Promise landed
    Judges led
    Saul freaked
    David peeked
    Kingdom divided
    Prophets warned
    People exiled
    Hope rose
    Jesus born
    God walked
    Anger crucified
    Love rose
    Spirit flamed
    Word spread
    God remained.

    Revised from the original by Dana Livesay, Wanganui, New Zealand. Source: 'Top of the Morning' Book of Incredibly Short Stories compiled by Brian Edwards. Auckland, New Zealand: Tandem Press, 1997.

    April 26, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
  2. faith

    think you are on par with god? look at this nutjob, "Cpt. Obvious
    God, on the other hand, has no problem at all drowning an entire planet's worth of people. All I have to do to be more moral than god is kill everyone on the planet except for nine." that a girl.

    you have no idea whether he had no problem wiping all those people off the face of the earth. liar

    April 26, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
  3. faith

    proof of god's existence, "Bootyfunk
    btw, faith, nazis were christians. do your homework. hitler mentions god many times in his book, mein kampf. nazi officers wore belt buckles that said "With God's Might" or something like that. the only idiot here is you. do some homework."

    April 26, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
  4. Stephen Hawking is an Idiot

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtwIT8JjddM&w=640&h=360]

    April 26, 2013 at 7:46 pm |
    • Bob

      Way better video about religion than that ubercheesy Christian musack junk is from George C. here.
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo&w=640&h=360]

      April 27, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
  5. Trance

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxk9TvyJrs&w=640&h=360]
    ..

    April 26, 2013 at 7:07 pm |
  6. EX catholic

    DO NOT BE DECEIVED by the RCC, IDOLATRY IS NOT RELIGION. Idolatry is a grave and serious SIN, all of these portrayals of Jesus are against Scriptures. Jesus is NOT a statue, a painting, a crucifix or a wafer.

    April 26, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
  7. .

    lol?? SAYS "Why do you like jail? Are you a qweirdo?" Lolol! Are you fucking dim?? You think everyone in jail is a qweirdo?? OMG, what an asshole you are! May you get analy raped soon! Bwahahahahahahaha!

    April 26, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
  8. mzh

    Every human will be asked/judged for following three:

    1. Me vs Myself
    2. Me vs rest of the Creation (which includes human, animal and every single creatires)
    3. Me vs my Creator

    All human (or most of them) takes good care of first 2... but majority of human are being failed in 3... by associating partners with The Almighty... either by saying God has only beoggen son or daughter or holy spirit or monkey or cow or elephent or human or any objects and so on...

    So all human regardless of faith are good to other fellow human with exception of few that intends to harm other human....

    Peace!!!

    April 26, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
  9. mzh

    I ask my Christian fellows who preaches to innocent human – what you guys have so much issues to accept who Jesus was? why would you make Jesus as Black or White or Chinese or Spanish or Arab or Asian or So on.... why it is so difficult to accept that he was from Jew and whatever he was as per ethnicity?

    Peace!!!

    April 26, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
    • Tom

      All American Christians know Jesus had a Jewish mother but a white anglo American father that apparently looked just like him.

      April 26, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
  10. mzh

    @ “What if God was one of us?”

    It sounds that individual having no knowledge about God... how can someone refers to human as God where that human dies after certain timeline given to that human... if a God die than what God are you talking about? why would God need to be in sleep... gets sick and hungry and so on... ???

    who is going to take care of you or what system is running inside of you if you think God sleep or dies or gets sick and so on????

    April 26, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
    • Mrs. Pepperpot

      It is a song. The knowledge or belief system of the woman who sang it is irrelevant. It was simply used as a segue for the topic of this article, that's all.

      April 26, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
  11. The Demon Deacon

    Bill Deacon
    Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll...etc.
    Well you seem to be able to defend your superiority quite well, to bad it does not carry over into defending your criminal RCC.

    April 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Is that your Ed Koch answer? Run to another thread and lump all Catholics into one the group 2% are guilty of? LOL suddenly I'm not intimidated.

      April 26, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
  12. faith

    what i like about the atheist faith? they tend to dwell on the positive. they r a cheery crowd. optomistic, always see the best in others. have a delightful sense of humor. never focus on the negatives, or the dark side of anything.

    in addition, i like that they all believe the same things. every god-hating fool believes in gay marriage, for example. (if not, the god-haters would crucify them)

    isn't that right murdie?

    April 26, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • faith

      yea and they have wonnerful wunnerful scholars, too. right dm? you fool. ask for references and that stoopid idiot uses herself (and cries and claims we're pickin on her and her at risk child for being mean cause she's a helpless, harmless chikadee)

      April 26, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • mzh

      Why people turn to be an atheist? or what makes people to be an atheist?

      Is it because of an individual does not accept what he was taught by parents?

      Did he read all the books and then decided not to believe that there is A Creator?

      I think in my opinion that an individual decides to be an atheist due to what they have been taught...

      My humble request to all atheists is to keep reading from diff books and not point to any followers of any faith and then use ur brain to accept like what make sense and what's not....

      Put the basic or fundamental of each faith's book that we have around us in the face of earth.... and then see which one make sense....

      may be u will find something which may have never thought of and will help to change ur ideology...

      Peace!!!

      April 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm |
    • .

      Yay! Faith the village idiot is back!

      April 26, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
  13. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    April 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      April 26, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • Really?

      "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"

      That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians. Your post is built on a lie!

      April 26, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
    • Salero21

      Atheism is stupidity in Full bloom!

      April 26, 2013 at 5:52 pm |
    • Imagine No Religion

      @Atheism is not...blah blah blah:

      So, have you ever threatened YOUR children with eternal dam nation? I haven't, but I'll bet you have!

      Prayer changes nothing.

      I challenge you to take the George Carlin Prayer Test. Pray to your imaginary god friend for a month, then pray to Joe Pesci for a month. You'll find the percentage of prayers answered by god, and those by Mr Pesci, will be about the same (50/50).

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE&w=640&h=360]

      Don't waste energy praying. Instead, go down to your local animal shelter and adopt a pet that is on death row. Or, buy a homeless person a meal. Or, plant a tree amongst the concrete jungle. It is far more productive.

      -–
      "There ain't no jesus gonna come from the sky.
      Now that I found out, I know I can cry." – John Lennon

      April 26, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
  14. Chad

    @WASP "everytime i see a christian with a crucifix it does speak to me..............
    1) it speaks of torture which christains were fond of during their rise to power.
    2) it speaks of a single human being placed above the rest of humans for reasons of magic.
    3) it speaks of ignorance.
    4) it speaks of oppression, extermination, genocide, forced conversion and greed.
    5) i speaks of a cause to blame your own evil actions on, or to ask to "forgive" you so that you can sleep beter at night."

    =>Do you know what the crucifixion means to a Christian?

    April 26, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • cufi

      Great question, it means the atoning sacrifice. Romans 3:23 has a great preface to why we need this supreme redemption.

      April 26, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
    • John H. Travis

      They would never admit it, but it is a get out of jail free card.

      April 26, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • Chad

      @ John H. Travis "They would never admit it, but it is a get out of jail free card."

      =>indeed it is, and I think most Christians would freely admit that..

      April 26, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • John H. Travis

      Yeah, letting someone else take the punishment you deserve makes you a coward.

      April 26, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      For every sin they pray for forgiveness and believe that by doing so they will be granted some wonderful life after this one but yet all they have to go on is the bible and numerous stories that all point back to it. The cross is a sure sign of torture, torture is something that modern societies frown upon-so how is that cross a good thing?

      April 26, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • JMEF

      Chad
      No I do not but I bet you are going to tell everyone anyway. Got an answer to my question on page 8; if you do try to refrain from answering with another question, it is just so lame and dishonest.

      April 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Reality

      And now for some 21st century conclusions about the "atoning Jesus"

      (from Professor JD Crossan's book, "Who is Jesus" co-authored with Richard Watts)

      "Moreover, an atonement theology that says God sacrifices his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but it is an obscene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect our imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us."

      "Traditionally, Christians have said, 'See how Christ's passion was foretold by the prophets." Actually, it was the other way around. The Hebrew prophets did not predict the events of Jesus' last week; rather, many of those Christian stories were created to fit the ancient prophecies in order to show that Jesus, despite his execution, was still and always held in the hands of God."

      "In terms of divine consistency, I do not think that anyone, anywhere, at any time, including Jesus, brings dead people back to life."

      April 26, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Paul

      Just like everything else in the bible it means whatever the individual wants it to mean.

      April 26, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
    • Chad

      @Chad "Do you know what the crucifixion means to a Christian?
      @JMEF "No I do not.."

      @Chad "and yet you are on here every single day claiming to point out the faults and flaws in Christianity.

      An astonishing admission of truth on your part.. How in the world can you presume to criticize something that you just admitted you dont understand?
      Is anyone to believe that any of your criticisms are going to be valid?

      April 26, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • Chad

      @Truth Prevails "yet all they have to go on is the bible and numerous stories that all point back to it."
      @Chad "Do you know what ELSE the Christian believes they have to back it up? Besides the biblical text? What other proof does a Christian feel they have?
      I'm just trying to see what you know of Christian doctrine..

      ======
      @Truth Prevails " The cross is a sure sign of torture, torture is something that modern societies frown upon-so how is that cross a good thing?"
      @Chad "that's what YOU think, but what does the Christian think?"

      April 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • JMEF

      Chad
      Because I see the evil of all religion, I don't know diddly squat about islamic fundamentalists either, don't really have too to see the evil. Oh and by the way I can be just as arrogant as you can. Why have you rejected all the other man made gods, it works both ways? Believe in your silly book but quit demanding others have to be brainwashed into you beliefs.

      April 26, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Chad: Do not for a minute assume I know nothing of your belief system. I was raised by a much better christian than you could ever wish to be.

      The only thing you honestly have is that book, there is no evidence to support that it is true and even if it includes snipits of history (names, places, etc) it still does not point to a god (numerous fictional books list similar things).
      You live you life in accordance to it, you take the 10 Commandments to heart; you pick and choose what works best for the situation. The cross represents your so perfect god having his own child sacrificed for the sins of people who don't even exist and this makes sense to you??? All that cross means is torture...what it means to you as christian is it's evidence for this great gift your god has apparently bestowed upon the world and yet once again your only backing for that is the bible. It is all very circular!

      April 26, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • Paul

      Having read many posts from both Chad and JMEF I find JMEF to be much more credible than Chad.

      April 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Chad

      @Truth Prevails

      I'm not asking if you believe Christianity is true, I'm asking if you know what we believe.

      so, do you?
      ========
      @Truth Prevails "yet all they have to go on is the bible and numerous stories that all point back to it."
      @Chad "Do you know what ELSE the Christian believes they have to back it up? Besides the biblical text? What other proof does a Christian feel they have?
      I'm just trying to see what you know of Christian doctrine..

      ======
      @Truth Prevails " The cross is a sure sign of torture, torture is something that modern societies frown upon-so how is that cross a good thing?"
      @Chad "that's what YOU think, but what does the Christian think?"

      April 26, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • Chad

      @Chad "Do you know what the crucifixion means to a Christian?
      @JMEF "No I do not.."

      @Chad "and yet you are on here every single day claiming to point out the faults and flaws in Christianity.
      Is anyone to believe that any of your criticisms are going to be valid?

      @JMEF Because I see the evil of all religion, I don't know diddly squat about islamic fundamentalists either, don't really have too to see the evil."

      @Chad "well, here's the thing then. Since you have publicly admitted you dont know anything about Christine doctrine you'll need to stop criticizing the bible/doctrine.

      You are of course free to criticize the behavior of Christians, but (as you now admit), ANY criticism of Christian beliefs from you is utter nonsense, because (as you admit) none of what you say is based on any fact.

      April 26, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • Paul

      See what I mean as far as credibility goes?

      April 26, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      =>Do you know what the crucifixion means to a Christian?

      To answer this question one must first answer "Is there such a thing as a true Christian? And if so, who get's to decide which are and aren't 'true Christians' "

      Once you have decided what a "Christian" is and I assume you have weeded out those who do not believe the way you do Chad, even if they claim to believe in Christ like so many German nationals during WW2, then you can say "Okay, this is what the crucifixion means to THIS Christian or THAT Christian..."

      But if asked in general, then it's an easy answer: crucifixion means the redeption sacrafice that God the father made to redeem mankind from the sin that Adam had passed on to all his children through the eating of the forbidden fruit. It represents the horror and suffering we as humans are owed because of that sin that God is shouldering for us, taking our burdens as his own. And all we need to do to take advantage of this reward is to believe on Christ and show appreciation for this gift by worshiping God with your whole heart, soul and mind.

      The problem come in the fact that Adam never existed, never ate of some forbidden fruit and never passed on sin to humanity, which invalidates the entire premise of needing a savior. Our DNA shows humans have never been perfect but have been contually evolving both physically, mentally and morally for hundreds of thousands of years. The Adam theory says man was made perfect and would not have died if not for the eating of the fruit, so according to the bible Adam would be alive today if he hadn't given in to Eve's pressure, as would all following humans had sin not entered into our DNA and passed death on to Adams children. This is not what our DNA shows. It does show how most humans alive today have between 1% – 4% neanderthal DNA, which tells a very different tale then that of Genesis.

      So the long and short of your question is: Yes, I know what the crucifixion means to most Christians, however that has no bearing on the real world for it's based on flawed logic and faulty creation myths.

      April 26, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • JMEF

      Chad
      You see that is your problem telling people what they can and can't do. I do not care what christians think about the crucifixion, I know that it and the resurrection are silly supernatural myth that I can criticize any body that is dumb enough to believe it is true. I will say the same thing about those that believe in Vishnu or Allah. jesus is such a wimp compared to the other gods. Of course you could always sic Satan on me or get me an exorcism if you think I am to far gone already.

      April 26, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      redemption... 🙂

      April 26, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • JMEF

      Chad
      You continue to leap to these rather crazy conclusions. Do I know what the crucifixion means to christians, no and I do not care. That precludes me from criticizing all the supernatural BS in the bible and dogma of the christian religions, nope sorry, I got me free will and I am going to use it.

      April 26, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
    • Akira

      Mass Debator! Nice to see you!

      April 26, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      So Chad, do you know what Eid Al-Adha means to Muslims? Just checking if that requirement to do research into religion before discounting it applys to other religions or just Christianity...

      April 26, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      /Wave 🙂

      I havn't gone anywhere, just been using different handles ever since the Mass Deletions last month.

      April 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • SImran

      Wow Mass Debator,
      Do you even breathe between your sentences? 🙂

      April 26, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • laststonecarver

      @Mass,
      I surely miss the 'best of MD', from the BB 'Be Nice blackhole"

      April 26, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      It's my tenor training, can get half way through the first act before taking a second breath 🙂

      April 26, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Chad: Of course I know what you believe...what part of "I was raised by a better christian than you could ever wish to be" was not understood? Do you think for a one damn second that my terrific god fearing Mom held this absurd belief and didn't instill it in her children? It's how kids learn about the varying gods...you're not born knowing a god, you're born an atheist and it isn't until you are indoctrinated in to it that you learn about it.

      So to answer your question: From my standpoint (because not all christians believe the same thing), I believed that Jesus died on the cross so that all others would have eternal life in heaven. I believed that your god was all loving and that as long as I accepted it I would enjoy that eternal life. This is only part of the numerous other things christians believe.

      btw: I do associate with christians, some of my best friends are but none are bigoted or racist and they all believe in equal rights for all regardless of belief or disbelief...I wouldn't associate myself with them otherwise.

      April 26, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
    • SImran

      Haha,
      The opposing counsel will need a bit of that training too. Maybe just enough to comprehend what the first act was!

      April 26, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • SImran

      The bible states that once Adam and Eve ate from the tree, "then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made loinclothes for themselves." Another account says, "see, now the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil".

      If man did not know what good and evil were before committing the sin, then man could not possibly be at fault. The accounts could even be interpreted as suggesting that we did not have free will in the Garden of Eden, which would mean that the sin was God's.

      April 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • Chad

      @Mass Debater "To answer this question one must first answer "Is there such a thing as a true Christian? And if so, who get's to decide which are and aren't 'true Christians' "
      @Chad "you are implying that Christians differ on what the crucifixion means, which isnt the case.."

      ====
      @Mass Debater " crucifixion means the redeption sacrafice that God the father made to redeem mankind."
      @Chad "redemption, reconciliation, yes"

      ======
      @Mass Debater "The problem come in the fact that Adam never existed never ate of some forbidden fruit and never passed on sin to humanity, which invalidates the entire premise of needing a savior"
      @Chad "no..
      A. What proof do you have to bolster your claim that you know Adam never existed?
      B. We are not condemned for what Adam did, but for what we do.

      ======
      @Mass Debater "The Adam theory says man was made perfect and would not have died if not for the eating of the fruit, so according to the bible Adam would be alive today if he hadn't given in to Eve's pressure, as would all following humans had sin not entered into our DNA and passed death on to Adams children"
      @Chad "you havent read the bible yet.. You dont understand the physical impacts of the "fall" on Adam/Eve and all of creation.
      Now you can claim it never happened, but you cant claim that the bible ever says that Adam would have lived forever if not for the fall, nor can you claim the bible says that a transformation of all of the creation didnt occur.

      again, you have a basic non-understanding of Christian doctrine in several areas, all of which directly lead you to faulty conclusions.

      April 26, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • Science

      Wow chad.....And laws of association makes it part of the devil's cults too ...........does it not ....Chad ?

      April 26, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • SImran

      All Abrahamic religions suffer from SIN PSYCHOSIS!

      April 26, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
    • Chad

      @JMEF "You continue to leap to these rather crazy conclusions. Do I know what the crucifixion means to christians, no and I do not care. That precludes me from criticizing all the supernatural BS in the bible and dogma of the christian religions, nope sorry, I got me free will and I am going to use it."

      =>I dont think it's crazy at all to say to a person "why do you think it is valid to criticize something that you know nothing about, and have repeatedly said you have no interest in learning about?"

      what's crazy is you saying that you believe that it is actually possible to criticize something that you dont know anything about. That's crazy..

      April 26, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • Paul

      Chad that are plenty of Christians who believe that death did not enter the world until man ate the forbidden fruit. In fact the first time I heard about this belief I was listening to my religion teacher at school. He informed us that if Adam and Eve had not sinned they would not have died, and we wouldn't die either.

      April 26, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • Chad

      @Paul "[There] are plenty of Christians who believe that death did not enter the world until man ate the forbidden "

      =>where does the bible say that?

      April 26, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    • Paul

      One doesn't need to read the bible to know that people don't come back from the dead after three days, or to realize that believing that Jesus rose from the dead so that humans could live for ever if they just believe in him is silly.

      April 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • Chad

      @SImran "If man did not know what good and evil were before committing the sin, then man could not possibly be at fault"

      =>what does the bible say was the sin they committed?

      April 26, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • Paul

      Chad that is the best thing about the bible. It is open to many different interpretations, and one man's interpretation is just as valid as another's. In fact, I bet my teacher's interpretation is solid seeing that he was a member of a Catholic Religious order.

      April 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      And here's Chad again with the same "If you disagree with what I want Christian doctrine to be, then you have never read the bible, you know nothing about Christianity, and it doesn't matter what you say because I say this and I'm always right so to bad".

      April 26, 2013 at 2:22 pm |
    • SImran

      Yeah, what was the SIN?

      April 26, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
    • Science

      Twisting again Chad ?...................The Devil got you CHAD ?

      April 26, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • JMEF

      Chad
      You really do not understand, you are confused, you misrepresented all my comments, etc. My knowledge of the BS bible and the ugly dogma of some christian cults is probably far superior to your knowledge of other religions. Remember you said, I have no desire or think it worth the effort to defend any other belief system than the Judeo-Christian God. So why do you suppose I would waste my time as I know enough about the ugly history of christianity to criticize it as much as I possibly can, hypocrite. Freedom of speech allows me to do that.

      April 26, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • Chad

      @SImran "Yeah, what was the SIN?"

      =>you dont know do you...

      Why do you criticize a belief system you know nothing about? Seems crazy to think that anyone would do such a thing.

      April 26, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • SImran

      Well, you could elaborate if you knew it. But looks like you don't know it either! 🙂

      April 26, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Chad, Will you answer the question about what Eid Al-Adha means to Muslims? Maybe you also explain why you discount Islam and why those arguments do not apply to Christianity.

      April 26, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • SImran

      A good article:

      "A NEUROPHYSIOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE ON ORIGINAL SIN" by G. Richard Jansen, Colorado State University

      http://lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/origsin.htm

      April 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      @Chad "you are implying that Christians differ on what the crucifixion means, which isnt the case.." So the crucifixion meant the same thing to Hitler as it does to you?

      ======
      @Mass Debater "The problem come in the fact that Adam never existed never ate of some forbidden fruit and never passed on sin to humanity, which invalidates the entire premise of needing a savior"
      @Chad "no..
      "A. What proof do you have to bolster your claim that you know Adam never existed?" – Fosil record, DNA evidence showing links to common ancestors.

      "B. We are not condemned for what Adam did, but for what we do." –

      "12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned 13 To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come." Rom 5:12-14

      @Chad "you havent read the bible yet.. " Ive read four different translations cover to cover. King James, New International, The American Standard and The New world translation when I studied with some JW's after I left my Church.

      "You dont understand the physical impacts of the "fall" on Adam/Eve and all of creation." Yes, I do. I put it to you that it's your understanding that is flawed.

      "Now you can claim it never happened, but you cant claim that the bible ever says that Adam would have lived forever if not for the fall" See Romans 5:12-14

      "again, you have a basic non-understanding of Christian doctrine in several areas, all of which directly lead you to faulty conclusions." No, you have a basic understanding that your bible is flawed but take great leaps of faith to cover over the gaps in logic and reason that allow you to continue the faulty conclusions of your religious peers who have been using the bible to control the uneducated masses for thousands of years. Why would you want to buck that kind of record right? Easier to just make excuses for the errors and act as if nothings fishy about it.

      April 26, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
    • Science

      Just a little fishy ................MD

      Prehistoric shark captured on film

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mneDhOtVEQw&w=640&h=360]

      April 26, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • lol??

      John H. Travis sayz,
      "They would never admit it, but it is a get out of jail free card."

      Why do you like jail? Are you a qweirdo?

      April 26, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • Chad

      @Mass Debater "So the crucifixion meant the same thing to Hitler as it does to you?"
      @Chad "Adolph Hitler accepted a Jewish Messiah as his personal savior?
      🙂
      no.. Adolph wasnt a Christian. And no, this isnt "no true scotsman fallacy", it is simply the definition of what a Christian is.

      ======
      @Chad "What proof do you have to bolster your claim that you know Adam never existed?"
      @Mass Debater "Fosil record, DNA evidence showing links to common ancestors.
      @Chad "I believe in Adam/Eve, and in common ancestry (I am a theistic evolutionist).
      So, again, What proof do you have to bolster your claim that you know Adam never existed?

      ======
      "12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned 13

      as the verse states, we have all sinned, that is why we stand condemned.

      If all mankind inherited "original sin", then Christ was born sinful and can not by definition have been the perfect sacrifice
      For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin,

      =====
      @Mass Debater " Ive read four different translations cover to cover. King James, New International, The American Standard and The New world translation when I studied with some JW's after I left my Church."
      @Chad "well, I have to really wonder then about how you read them.. you misunderstanding in some basic issues is pretty profound.. right?

      You can claim the bible is nonsense, but you cant really claim to be familiar with what the bible says. Original sin, effects of the fall, young earth vs old earth; you have seemingly no exposure to..

      April 26, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      @Chad "Adolph Hitler accepted a Jewish Messiah as his personal savior?
      no.. Adolph wasnt a Christian. And no, this isnt "no true scotsman fallacy", it is simply the definition of what a Christian is."

      Tell yourself whatever you need to get through the night, but you know thats total bullshlt so cut the act, Hitler believed himself a devout Christian who did what he did based on his religious beliefs, albeit from a drug adled syphilitic brain.

      ======
      @Chad "What proof do you have to bolster your claim that you know Adam never existed?"
      @Mass Debater "Fosil record, DNA evidence showing links to common ancestors.
      @Chad "I believe in Adam/Eve, and in common ancestry (I am a theistic evolutionist).
      So, again, What proof do you have to bolster your claim that you know Adam never existed?

      Theistic evolutionist = Virgin prostltute. You can't have it both ways Chad. I know you love to make excuses and come up with some whoppers to explain away the global flood that didn't happen and the lineage back to Adam and the DNA evidence that shows how we have evolved except Genesis is very clear as to the first humans. The fosil record, DNA and the geological record DO NOT JIVE with biblical accounts without a great amount of twisting logic and constant re-interpretations of the bible.

      ======
      "12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned 13

      "as the verse states, we have all sinned, that is why we stand condemned." – "Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam"

      "If all mankind inherited "original sin", then Christ was born sinful and can not by definition have been the perfect sacrifice
      For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin" As I said, take away one part and your whole logical fallacy falls apart. There was no original sin, Jesus wasn't born perfect, there was no sacrafice, it was at best an execution.

      @Chad "well, I have to really wonder then about how you read them.. you misunderstanding in some basic issues is pretty profound.. right? Wrong. I understand them very well, I just don't believe them to be completely factual and to be a work of historical fiction interlaced with magic, miracles and mumbo jumbo that the people of that time would have taken as fact but were merely unexplained phenomenon.

      "You can claim the bible is nonsense, but you cant really claim to be familiar with what the bible says. Original sin, effects of the fall, young earth vs old earth; you have seemingly no exposure to.." Yes, you can be very familiar with what it says and still not be a believer, SHOCK!! I know, weird huh, that someone might not come to the same deluded conclusions you have?... That must mean I read it backwards or something right?

      I know you don't like to accept the fact that what you think is truth may not actually be truth, but that is the hubris and pride that keeps you from being able to open your eyes and admit you might be wrong. Being a "Theistic evolutionist" i guess is a start...

      April 26, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • Chad

      @Mass Debater "Hitler believed himself a devout Christian who did what he did based on his religious beliefs, albeit from a drug adled syphilitic brain"
      @Chad "Raymond Aguilera thinks he is God, doesnt mean he is. A person is a Christian if and only if they accept Jesus as savior. End of story.

      ======
      @Mass Debater "The fosil record, DNA and the geological record DO NOT JIVE with biblical accounts without a great amount of twisting logic and constant re-interpretations of the bible."

      @Chad "you are simply incorrect. There is an enormous amount of solid exegetical work supporting old earth theism and common ancestry. See for example:
      The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief - Francis Collins (head of human genome project)

      ======
      @Mass Debater " Yes, you can be very familiar with what it says and still not be a believer, SHOCK!! I know, weird huh, that someone might not come to the same deluded conclusions you have?... That must mean I read it backwards or something right?"
      @Chad "you dont have to believe it to claim you read it, but if you claim you read it you need to be familiar with it.

      April 26, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      @Chad "you dont have to believe it to claim you read it, but if you claim you read it you need to be familiar with it.

      We've been down that path before if you recall Chad. Six months or so ago I did a Genesis to Revelation cliff notes that I posted in reply to one of your posts, to which you basically replied, "Well, okay so I guess you have read it but a lot of these other atheists still havn't".

      I shall not bore anyone with the cliff notes bible unless they really really want it, but I can assure you Chad, I am very well versed in both the Hebrew and Greek scriptures as I was a pastor in Ohio for over a decade along with having read it through in multiple translations.

      If you choose to stay ignorant and insist on making excuses for the blatant holes in yur theology then thats fine, but don't expect the rest of us who have read the bible to stay silent as you try to fool and trick the uneducated masses.

      April 26, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
    • Chad

      @Mass Debater

      thanks for jogging my memory on that. So, you must be familiar with other exegetical work than that which young earth creationists point to then, why do you reject that?

      April 26, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      I have read many works that study the history of the Jewish people and their culture as found apart from biblical sources, I have yet to find one that did not include supposition about the veracity of it's own work, with none claiming absolute truth as to who the authors of the bible or who the historical figure of Moses could have been. Most accept the plausability that much of Moses culture and mythology could have been an amalgum of multiple real persons or at least multiple authors penning under his name. The fact that none can be used as the difinitive explanation for biblical validity means none of them are giving anything more than an educated guess. I'll give you that an educated guess is better than an uneducated one, but when you start with the premise that the bible is fact and any error can be crossed using "educated guesses" as the foundation of your faith you can but hope that the guesses are true, which is why they call it "faith" and not "fact".

      April 26, 2013 at 7:42 pm |
    • Chad

      @Mass Debater "I have read many works that study the history of the Jewish people and their culture as found apart from biblical sources, I have yet to find one that did not include supposition about the veracity of it's own work, with none claiming absolute truth as to who the authors of the bible or who the historical figure of Moses could have been."

      @Chad "Do you honestly think it is possible to EVER find ANY archaeological evidence of Moses?
      One guy, a nomadic live-in-a-tent guy? 5,000 years ago?

      Do you think that ANY archaeological evidence of the 40 years the Israelites spent in the desert will be found? All that time their "shoes never wore out" you know the verse, the bible explicitly says they left nothing behind.

      Every year we continue to find more evidence supporting the entire story, Every year.

      you are guessing when you say that Moses wasnt real.. Everything we have found confirms the biblical account, and we keep pushing the boundary of confirmed history back in time. What has EVER been proven wrong? Remember "Pilate never existed"? Remember "The Hitites are made up, they never existed"? All confirmed..

      Why not bet on the winning horse?

      April 26, 2013 at 9:44 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Chad

      Now that's a really interesting position to take?
      The bible says they left nothing behind, so we shouldn't find anything, but we find things every year that make the story more credible?
      Usually Chad, you save your dishonesty for a few more posts after the claim. You're losing your edge when it comes to your dishonesty.

      April 26, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • Science

      Ghad might be a ghost or stale fruitcake from XMAS PAST ?.....................sort of like fred !

      April 27, 2013 at 6:16 am |
    • Science

      Hey Chad this might work for you !

      Cheech & Chong Read the Bible

      Cheech and Chong read the bible for all to hear.

      Cheech & Chong Read the Bible from CheechAndChong

      April 27, 2013 at 8:47 am |
    • God is a Mythtake

      Chad
      How can you keep running on about the bible being the truth when it is nothing but myth and handed stories of other gods compiled into your supposed trinity? You can not even know who the authors were and when the gospels were written. Only children are gullible enough to believe in fairy tales, grow up.

      April 27, 2013 at 9:23 am |
    • Ben

      Chad
      Guess you're not a fan of The Bible Unearthed. The Jews were fond of "pious fiction", like Saul, David and Solomon, it seems.

      April 27, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • mama k

      Chad: "Why not bet on the winning horse?"

      LOL – which horse from which darn stable? Now how many stables did Solomon have? They just can't seem to get the number right. But regardless you're going to need lots of straw to keep up those stables (and of course for your Strawmen Reserves).

      April 27, 2013 at 9:59 am |
    • Science

      Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle.........the fire pit of hell CHAD ?

      Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm

      April 27, 2013 at 11:57 am |
  15. Tony

    Jesus is the risen Lord.
    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ew919h2BcM&w=640&h=360]

    April 26, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • Science

      The names of fairies works.

      April 26, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • Science

      B y the way tony........none needed

      Surprising New Function for Small RNAs in Evolution.

      Apr. 19, 2013 — An international research team in including Christian Schlötterer and Alistair McGregor of the Vetmeduni Vienna has discovered a completely new mechanism by which evolution can change the appearance of an organism. The researchers found that the number of hairs on flies' legs varies according to the level of activity of a so-called microRNA.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130419075909.htm

      April 26, 2013 at 11:27 am |
    • sam stone

      go meet him, tony

      April 26, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • Music Critic

      Tony
      I hear there was a secret chord that David played
      That pleased the Lord....
      But you don't really care for music
      Do you
      Tony, you don't really care for music, do you, posting that crap.

      April 26, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • Reality

      And now proceeding to the 21st century
      (only for the new members of this blog):

      Saving Christians from the Infamous Resurrection Con/

      From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15: 14, Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

      Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

      To wit;

      From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

      "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
      Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

      Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

      Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

      The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

      Only Luke records it. (Luke mentions it in his gospel and Acts, i.e. a single attestation and therefore historically untenable). The Ascension ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers.

      The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

      "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."
      http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

      The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

      With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

      An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

      p.4

      "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

      p.168. by Ted Peters:

      Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

      So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

      April 26, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
  16. faith

    Science
    JMEF.......Chad also told me once not to forget the talking donkey !

    how could anyone forget you

    April 26, 2013 at 9:28 am |
    • Science

      Yea I know I am a pain in the ass !

      Peace

      April 26, 2013 at 9:33 am |
    • Donkey

      I always told him jesus christ mount from the side, but no always from the rear..

      April 26, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • Science

      Hey faith .....................for ...........you know!

      Cheech & Chong Read the Bible

      Cheech and Chong read the bible for all to hear.

      Cheech & Chong Read the Bible from CheechAndChong

      April 27, 2013 at 10:01 am |
    • Science

      Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle.........the fire pit of hell aye ?

      Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm

      April 27, 2013 at 11:55 am |
  17. Honey Badger Don't Care!

    Bill,

    " The reason Jesus is Lord is that he shows the way by his Passion to overcome the self and love others by sacrifice."

    The story of Jesus on the cross is by NO MEASURE a sacrifice. Or are you telling me that god sacrificing himself, to himself to create a loophole for a law that he himself created make sense?

    Even disregarding that, having someone else pay for a crime that they didn’t commit teaches nobody a lesson. That is like having a judge send his son to jail for someone else robbing a bank. That makes absolutely no sense and the robber would only have learned that he can get away with robbing banks.

    April 26, 2013 at 9:22 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      Not to mention that a figure that is supposed to be god knowing that he will suffer and then "die" for 3 days and then spend eternity in paradise is not much of a sacrifice either. Given the choice I dont know anyone who would not take that offer.

      Jesus had a bad weekend for your sins.

      April 26, 2013 at 9:23 am |
    • faith

      foolishness to them who are dying

      they knew

      April 26, 2013 at 9:30 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      I suppose there will always be people to whom the crucifixion of Jesus does not speak. Or those who cannot, for their own reasons, accept it. I find it odd. It's as if they are taken to a symphony and insist on remaining deaf or close their eyes in the presence of art. Jesus, as a man, expressed the highest form of compassion and selflessness and you completely miss the point. I truly believe than atheism such as yours is nothing more than a defect in perception and comprehension.

      April 26, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Lots of people were crucified – what makes this jesus' special? Please provide independent, objective, verifiable and factual evidence to support your answer.

      April 26, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      @Bill Deacon

      I judge your judgment harshly, and I find it incomprehensible that a truly intelligent and honest critical thinker would find the bible's claims to be reasonable. I would not call it a defect in your character, though. I wonder why so many christians find it acceptable to put themselves on a pedestal for understanding something that unbelievers do not. I find that msot christians are severely diseased with pride while being completely blind to that fact and its evidence in their lives.

      April 26, 2013 at 11:10 am |
    • biggles

      I can only speak for myself. I feel superior because I am.

      April 26, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • WASP

      @bill: "the crucifixion of Jesus does not speak."

      everytime i see a christian with a crucifix it does speak to me..............
      1) it speaks of torture which christains were fond of during their rise to power.
      2) it speaks of a single human being placed above the rest of humans for reasons of magic.
      3) it speaks of ignorance.
      4) it speaks of oppression, extermination, genocide, forced conversion and greed.
      5) i speaks of a cause to blame your own evil actions on, or to ask to "forgive" you so that you can sleep beter at night.

      April 26, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      These are three examples of arguments that go no where only circling around and around. Personally, I simply find it incredible that a person could look at the Passion of Christ and not be moved to a personal conviction. I don't judge them as good or evil for not being able to see the truth in it. That would be like finding someone evil for being unable to understand some form of math or a foreign language. I just think they lack the capacity to get it. I have no need to provide objective, peer reviewed, empirically verified evidence. That is your need, not mine, though I doubt any can be provided you would accept. If the simple presence of Christ on the cross is not convincing, I can't imagine what would be. Then to ascribe motive and meaning to symbols and icons Christians use to remind us of His willing sacrifice which are canards and obfuscations, or at best linking them to darker events from history is not even a legitimate response to the cross itself.

      The best part for me is that nothing you can say and nothing you put up in defense of your rejection of Christ, limits or inhibits His glory and even though you deride and antagonize believers on this blog, the truth is WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT JESUS.

      LOL I find that hilarious.

      April 26, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      Ye,s the character Jesus in a work of fiction. I dont believe that Bilbo Baggins ever lived either. There is NO evidence that your Jesus character ever lived.

      April 26, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll...etc.
      Back early. Bill you are the one that constantly rants on about jesus and your criminal church and you get the replies you deserve. This is a belief blog and 7 of the 10 stories are muslem related, you see it is not all about your delusional belief system. You never will get it until you burn your catechism and bible and walk away. You can keep the rosary as a remembrance, if you want.

      April 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      You just have to like Billy D and his new "the best defense is a good offense" tact. In any other domain, continuing to believe crap like The Babble would get you labelled mentally deficient but Bill D wants us to believe cult member are mentally superior and us clear thinkers are the ones with the problem. Same crap religion high priests, charlatans and shamans have been spewing for centuries.

      April 26, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • Ted Jones

      Bill,

      Can you hear God's voice?

      April 26, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
  18. Thoth

    If your creed is so great, why must you resort to cheap ads to lure the impressionable, want-to-fit-in youth? It's pathetic really. Wonder how many people you'd lure if you simply promoted your creed? My guess – not many.

    April 26, 2013 at 9:02 am |
  19. Austin

    Austin
    Anvils words
    "maybe it's time to face the fact "

    April 26, 2013 at 8:12 am | Report abuse | Reply
    Austin
    Anvils words
    "maybe it's time to face the fact that something as harmful as the collective mental illness that is religion should be dealt with violently?"

    April 26, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      But he wouldn't commit violence in the name of atheism. That's not what they do!

      April 26, 2013 at 11:10 am |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      God, on the other hand, has no problem at all drowning an entire planet's worth of people. All I have to do to be more moral than god is kill everyone on the planet except for nine.

      April 26, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • Akira

      I dunno Bill...how many people have you heard being killed in the name of of atheism? Or in defense of atheism, as religions use as an excuse, most recently used for the Boston bombings?

      April 26, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • Paul

      My favorites are the people who claim that atheists are responsible for mass murders in the last century while also claiming that atheism is a religion. Do they not realize that they are therefore blaming religion for those mass murders?

      April 26, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
  20. HeavenSent

    Spring the renewal of God's blessings for all of us, thank you Jesus. I love this time year. After morning prayers me and the kids went out picking up the fresh road kill, there is so much that we can use all our food stamps at the liquor store. Pray for forgiveness and escape the grip of Satan.

    Amen

    April 26, 2013 at 8:54 am |
    • Science

      HS....................no lilys yet soon....................but HS = BS.

      Peace

      April 26, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • WASP

      @HS: THE TRUE STORY OF SPRING:
      "Persephone, Krater C4th B.C.,
      Antikensammlungen, Munich

      Persephone was ti.tled Kore (the Maiden) as the goddess of spring's bounty. Once upon a time when she was playing in a flowery meadow with her Nymph companions, Kore was seized by Haides and carried off to the underworld as his bride. Her mother Demeter despaired at her dissappearance and searched for her the throughout the world accompanied by the goddess Hekate bearing torches. When she learned that Zeus had conspired in her daughter's abduction she was furious, and refused to let the earth fruit until Persephone was returned. Zeus consented, but because the girl had tasted of the food of Haides–a handful of pomegranate seeds–she was forced to forever spend a part of the year with her husband in the underworld. Her annual return to the earth in spring was marked by the flowering of the meadows and the sudden growth of the new grain. Her return to the underworld in winter, conversely, saw the dying down of plants and the halting of growth."

      April 26, 2013 at 9:14 am |
    • Dionysus

      WASP
      That is how it went down alright, but I had to do a rescue mission in Haides territory and he tried to do me. I imagined to escape and actually picked up some very nice wine on the way out, he always made very fine wine.

      April 26, 2013 at 9:22 am |
    • WASP

      @dionysis: see you went in to hell and came out with the keys to death..........and some nice wine. 🙂
      however you should really layoff the ambrosa. lmao

      April 26, 2013 at 9:27 am |
    • therealpeace2all

      @HeavenSent

      Ahh... missed the funnies. It's been awhile. 😀

      Peace...

      April 26, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • Science

      Morning WASP ............fuuny stuff !

      Cheech & Chong Read the Bible

      Cheech and Chong read the bible for all to hear.

      Cheech & Chong Read the Bible from CheechAndChong

      April 27, 2013 at 8:40 am |
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