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The Branch Davidians, a religious sect led by David Koresh, clashed with federal agents in 1993 in Waco, Texas.
April 28th, 2013
06:00 AM ET

When religious beliefs become evil: 4 signs

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - An angry outburst at a mosque. The posting of a suspicious YouTube video. A friendship with a shadowy imam.

Those were just some of the signs that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, accused of masterminding the Boston Marathon bombings, had adopted a virulent strain of Islam that led to the deaths of four people and injury of more than 260.

But how else can you tell that someone’s religious beliefs have crossed the line? The answer may not be as simple you think, according to scholars who study all brands of religious extremism. The line between good and evil religion is thin, they say, and it’s easy to make self-righteous assumptions.

“When it’s something we like, we say it’s commitment to an idea; when it’s something we don’t like, we say it’s blind obedience,” said Douglas Jacobsen, a theology professor at Messiah College in Pennsylvania.

Yet there are ways to tell that a person’s faith has drifted into fanaticism if you know what to look and listen for, say scholars who have studied some of history’s most horrific cases of religious violence.

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“There are a lot of warning signs all around us, but we usually learn about them after a Jim Jones or a David Koresh,” said Charles Kimball, author of “When Religion Becomes Evil.”

Here are four warning signs:

1. I know the truth, and you don’t.

On the morning of July 29, 1994, the Rev. Paul Hill walked up to John Britton outside an abortion clinic in Pensacola, Florida, and shot the doctor to death. Hill was part of a Christian extremist group called the Army of God, which taught that abortion was legalized murder.

Hill’s actions were motivated by a claim that virtually all religions espouse: We have the truth that others lack.

Those claims can turn deadly when they become absolute and there is no room for interpretation, Kimball says.

“Absolute claims can quickly move into a justification of violence against someone who rejects that claim,” Kimball said. “It’s often a short step.”

Healthy religions acknowledge that sincere people can disagree about even basic truths, Kimball says.

The history of religion is filled with examples of truths that were once considered beyond questioning but are no longer accepted by all followers: inerrancy of sacred scripture, for example, or the subjugation of women and sanctioning of slavery.

If someone like Hall believes that they know God’s truth and they cannot be wrong, watch out, Kimball says.

“Authentic religious truth claims are never as inflexible as zealous adherents insist,” he writes in “When Religion Becomes Evil.”

Yet there’s a flip side to warnings about claiming absolute truth: Much of religion couldn’t exist without them, scholars say.

Many of history’s greatest religious figures – Moses, Jesus, the Prophet Mohammed – all believed that they had discovered some truth, scholars say.

Ordinary people inflamed with a sense of self-righteousness have made the same claim and done good throughout history, says Carl Raschke, a theology professor at the University of Denver in Colorado.

The Protestant Reformation was sparked by an angry German monk who thought he had the truth, Raschke says.

“Martin Luther’s disgust at the worldliness of the papacy in the early 1500s inspired him to become a radical revolutionary whose ideas overturned the entire political structure in Europe,” Raschke said.

So how do you tell the difference between the healthy claims of absolute truth and the deadly? Scholars say to look at the results: When people start hurting others in the name of their religious truth, they’ve crossed the line.

2. Beware the charismatic leader.

It was one of the deadliest terrorist attacks in Japanese history. In March 1995, a religious sect called Aum Shinrikyo released a deadly nerve gas in a Tokyo subway station, leaving 12 people dead and 5,000 injured.

Two months later, Japanese police found Shoko Asahara, the sect’s founder, hiding in a room filled with cash and gold bars. Kimball, who tells the story of the sect in “When Religion Becomes Evil,” says Asahara had poisoned the minds of his followers years before.

Asahara demanded unquestioned devotion from members of his sect and isolated followers in communities where they were told that they no longer needed to think for themselves, Kimball says.

Any religion that limits the intellectual freedom of its followers, he says, has become dangerous. “When you start to get individuals who are the sole interpreters of truth, you get people who follow them blindly."

Charismatic leaders, though, often don’t start off being cruel. Jim Jones, who led the mass suicide of his followers in South America, was a gifted speaker who built an interracial church in San Francisco that did much good in the community. Few people at the beginning of his ministry could predict what he would become.

As time went on, though, his charisma turned cruel as he tolerated no questions to his authority and became delusional.

“Charismatic leadership is important, but in healthy religions, there’s always a process where questions are encouraged,” Kimball said.

Weaning followers away from corrupt charismatic leaders and bad religion can take years, but it can be done if one knows how to speak their language, says Ed Husain, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.

Countries such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt will often deploy imams to reach out to young men in prison who have adopted “Islamism,” or extreme forms of Islam sanctioning violence against civilians, says Husain, who has written about Muslim extremism.

These Muslim clerics know the Quran better than the extremists and can use their knowledge to reach extremists in a place that logic and outsiders cannot penetrate, Husain said.

“The antidote to extremism is religion itself,” Husain said. “The problem is not to take Islam out of the debate but to use Islam to counter Islamism.”

3. The end is near.

In 1970, an unknown pastor from Texas wrote a book called “The Late, Great Planet Earth.” The book, which linked biblical prophecy with political events like Israel’s victory in the 1967 Six-Day War, predicted the imminent return of an antichrist and the end of the world.

Author Hal Lindsey’s book has sold an estimated 15 million copies and spawned a genre of books like the “Left Behind” series. Many people are fascinated by the idea that the heavens will open soon because the end is near.

That end-times theology can turn lethal, though, when a follower decides that he or she will speed up that end-time by conducting some dramatic or violent act, says John Alverson, chairman of the theology department at Carlow University in Pittsburgh.

“A religious terrorist mistakenly believes that God has ordained or called him or her to establish the will of God on Earth now, not gradually and not according to the slow and finicky free will of other humans,” Alverson said.

Yet this impulse to see God’s intervention in human affairs now and not in some distant future can also be good, he says.

There are vibrant religious communities that teach that political and economic injustice must be addressed now. Liberation theology, for example, was a movement among pastors and theologians in Latin America that called for justice for the poor now, not in some future apocalyptic event, Alverson says.

“Hope is a good breakfast but not much of a supper,” Alverson said. “We can’t just live on the hope that justice will happen; we have to actually experience justice from time to time so that our hope can continue.”

4. The end justifies the means.

It was one of the biggest scandals the Roman Catholic Church ever faced, and the repercussions are still being felt today.

In January 2002, the Boston Globe published a story about Father John Geoghan, a priest who had been moved around various parishes after Catholic leaders learned that he had abused children. It was later revealed that Catholic officials had quietly paid at least $10 million to settle lawsuits against Geoghan.

Kimball says the Catholic scandal revealed another sign that a faith has turned toxic: Religious figures start justifying doing something wrong for a higher good.

 “The common theme was trying to protect the integrity of the church,” Kimball said of some Catholic leaders who covered up the crimes. “You get all of these rationalizations that we can’t let this scandal bring the whole church down, so we have to pay off this family and send the priests off to rehab.”

Religion is supposed to be a force for good. Still, it’s common that everyone from suicide bombers to venal church figures finds ways to justify their behavior in the name of some higher good.

Those rationalizations are so pervasive that religious movements that avoid them stand out, scholars say.

Jacobsen, the theology professor from Messiah College, cited the civil rights movement. The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and his fellow activists renounced violence, even as they were attacked and sometimes murdered.

“They were willing to lay down their lives for what they believed in, but what’s incredible is, they practiced not retaliating when they suffered violence,” he said. “Those people really believed that God created everyone equal, and they were committed to the point of death.”

In some ways, it’s easy to say we would never adopt a form of religion that’s evil. But when we use the word “evil” to describe those who kill in the name of their faith, we’re already mimicking what we condemn, Jacobsen says.

In his new book, “No Longer Invisible: Religion in University Education,” Jacobson writes that calling a religion evil is dangerous because “bad or wrong actions can be corrected, but typically evil needs to be destroyed.”

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“To label someone or something as evil is to demonize it, putting it in a category of otherness where the rules of normal life do not apply, where the end often justifies almost any means,” Jacobson writes.

And when we do that, we don’t have to read about radical imams or look at angry YouTube videos to see how easy it is for someone to drift toward religious extremism, he says.

We need only look at ourselves.

- CNN Writer

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  1. Sarah

    Deists need to keep up... it has already been proven that WE ARE a great ape species...
    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK3O6KYPmEw&w=640&h=360]

    April 28, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
  2. John P. Tarver

    It takes time to socialize people from a war zone.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
  3. lewtwo

    All religious beliefs are evil and signs of membership in a cult.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
  4. John P. Tarver

    The Berkeley religious tracts for the atheist religion ignore the scientific method.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Delusional idiocy.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      You lost me at "atheist religion".

      April 28, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • Science

      Do you have one JPT.......a Y......education works with facst !

      Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought

      Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm

      No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US

      Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.

      No god(s) needed................... Old. DNA works..................also catches crooks !

      Ancient DNA Reveals Europe's Dynamic Genetic History

      Apr. 23, 2013 — Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7,500 years old has been used to reconstruct the first detailed genetic history of modern Europe.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130423134037.htm

      Peace

      April 28, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
    • Science

      Dang thumb .....facts !

      April 28, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • John P. Tarver

      Under the scientific method a theory must be experimentally demonstrable and repeatable. Even though Charles Darwin created his own "scientific method" of being able to be shown false, the Berkeley tracts fail even that test. Darwin at least had a basis for his belief that the known change over time of species led to new species; evolution. Punctuated evolution is a baseless assertion, not a theory.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • Observer

      Evolution is a THEORY. Just like God, it can't be proved. It just offers actual fossils to support it as opposed the unproveable assertions of the Bible that claim that all the laws of science are optional.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:52 pm |
    • Science

      You asked for it ..............JTP................Can you read ?

      Where do morals come from?

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

      Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
      Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/pope-praises-science-but-insists-god-created-world/

      Science

      Heaven is 'a fairy story,' scientist Stephen Hawking says updated Tue May 17, 2011
      By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor The concept of heaven or any kind of afterlife is a "fairy story," famed British scientist Stephen Hawking said in a newspaper interview this week. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when...

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/heaven-is-a-fairy-story-scientist-stephen-hawking-says/

      Science

      It would be nice......... but
      Maybe they should not have created the wedge !!!
      The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Insti-tute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Insti-tute manifesto known as the Wedge Docu-ment,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic
      convictions.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

      Peace

      February 10, 2013 at 11:03 am | Report abuse

      April 28, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
  5. Patrick

    Interesting advice. I couldn't stop myself from thinking of America's current political landscape while reading the "four warning signs" and pondering how much better off we would be as a country had the masses vetted certain political leaders , using that logic, before electing them to office.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
  6. Already on Obama's kill list

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
    There's a drone strike in your future if you meet the criteria of this verse or a FEMA camp for "re-education". The damn msm can't wait for another "Waco"-they thought they had something against those right wing extremists with the Boston bombing...ooops! Yet not one single apology from the msm propaganda puppets of the reigning communist marxist muslim regime currently in power in this country. None will be forthcoming, either.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • Observer

      Already,

      You don't have A CLUE IN THE WORLD what a communist marxist regime actually is. Education would help you a lot.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
    • Akira

      Please adjust you tin-foil hat and turn off Alex Jones. Thank you.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
  7. HeavenScent

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    April 28, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
  8. ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

    Cause of illegality is none other than hindu Atheism, self center ism of hindu secular s, self centered in denial of truth absolute GOD, they drink urine of a cow, as a holy drink. HOLY DRINK OF HINDU RELIGION.

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGN2H0EZjEo&w=640&h=360]

    April 28, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
  9. No fool

    I agree that, very often, even good people who want to do bad things use religion as a justification. Also that Islam is not a religion but a force intended and used to conquer the whole world. Thus spake the Ayatollah Khomeini when he declared: "Islam is nothing if it is not politics." (Aided by a rodent-like fertility rate). The world now faces a situation in which the West is the target of two rival religions seeking supremacy over our planet: the Cross and the Crescent. Both of them fear above all else the enlightened human mind. Which is why you never hear about any warrior monks such as those of the Middle Ages who knew how to deal with the Moors – or Saracens as they are called on PBS – as did Charles Martel ( in Poitiers, not Tours in 732 and as did Charlemagne at Roncevaux). It is now the successors of those genuinely patriotic churchmen who leave no stone unturned to flood their nations of the West; cramming into it as much as they can of the misery of the rest of the world. (I call that the Calculated Charities of Calcutta and Elsewhere). Basically, religion is about Doubt and about Belief. (An unknown genius once wrote: "Honest doubt is a high form of belief.") It is when Religion gets organized that it becomes dangerous and at times evil. The same is true of Organized Sports in my opinion. As long as sports are practiced individually or in small groups with no political ambition they can be harmess and even do some good. But, like religion they can too easily be used to keep people stupid. Also like religion, if you give them an inch, they'll take kilometers.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      HINDUISM ABSURDITY OF A HINDU ATHEIST, SELF CENTERED COW PEE DRINKER BY HIS HINDU SECULAR ISM, SELF CENTER ISM.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
  10. TAK

    All religious belief is evil because it demands that we forfeit the one trait that makes us uniquely human, our ability to think rationally.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
    • lol??

      Who told you that you have that ability?

      April 28, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
  11. Godoflunaticscreation

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    April 28, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
  12. lionlylamb

    The seductive temptresses and the malevolent tempters of all societal mannerisms are against God and the Godly. Be you ever aware of seductions vileness and malevolencies bitterness agendas. No goodness can be wrought from either one. May your body's innerness realms guide you towards righteousness and away from the overtly ludicrous ideals of godlessness. For seductiveness be it by man or be it by woman sets up many for the falling away from Godly graces. I am but a megalithic building wherein God and all Godly brethren do inhabit and dare maintain their built abode until its ending does come to bear.

    1Corinthians 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, [ye are] God's building.

    Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
    • psych ward staff

      Oh now you've thrown up word salad again. You even threw up some on this fine Corinthian leather chair. OK, I'm gonna wire your mouth shut again for a while until I get this cleaned up.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
  13. Godoflunaticscreation

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjhFlI6-ZBI&w=640&h=360]

    April 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
  14. Fundies Gone Wild! They are panicking!

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-04VDrCbM&w=640&h=360]

    April 28, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
  15. AtheistsMorons

    Atheists in heaven? no way. There's no place for morons and losers like atheists up there. Atheists have no morals.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Good grief, the trolls are desperately in need of new material.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      I saw it coming, being called a troll. You forgot to call me a bigot as well. Those are the two words that come out of your mouths 95% of the time.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Uh huh. Sure ya did. Get a new writer.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Criminality by any criminal is nothing else by his work of his hindu atheism, self center ism, no one is responsible for mayhem on earth, but hindu secular s, self centered by faith, pretending to be civil.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Come on atheists losers, call me a bigot. You need to finish me off while you're at it. lol

      April 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • Jesus freaker

      Following he Bible's morals will get you a cozy room in the state pen.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • kenny

      religious people are fools and led around like ignorant sheep. have fun following all your silly rules and then when the lights go out you won't even know...

      April 28, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Good, that means you will be sitting right next to me then. Can't wait to make your acquaintance.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
    • Observer

      AtheistsMorons,

      Atheists deserve more credit for morals than Christians do because they chose them without threats (hell) or bribes (heaven).

      April 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      What kind of credits and merits you people deserve? Every time there's a natural disaster or any other crisis happening, you always showing up there bragging your atheists banner doing nothing else but just that, while christians and other religious people are giving help and money to help those in need. And you atheists, what kind of merits do you have to show?

      April 28, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      Thats funny considering atheists donate more than christians and without creating a holy war.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
    • Observer

      AtheistsMorons,

      Atheists are intelligent enough to decide, for instance, that going around killing everyone is a bad idea.

      You apparently believe that Christians need a 2,000 year old book to tell them not to do that.

      Christians aren't nearly as ignorant as you think they are.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      What is running around and killing have to do with this? I was replying to the idiot who pretended that atheists have more credits than christians. Now name me a single atheists or individual association that shows up when there's a disaster to provide some kind of help for the people in needs.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:52 pm |
    • Observer

      The Red Cross is non-religous. Now, try again.

      By the way, EVERY religious organization is partially subsidized by atheists, who have to pay more taxes to make up for what they don't pay.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      The Red Cross. You are a nasty little liar, the red cross was never and never has been an atheists association.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      You're an even more liar saying that your taxes money is a voluntary support for christians If you morons had a choice you wouldn't give a penny, you do because you have no other choices. It surely is not because you want to do it.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
    • Observer

      AtheistsMorons,

      "The Red Cross. You are a nasty little liar"

      I said it was non-religous. Do you have a reading comprehension problem or just not too bright? You really shouldn't make a fool of yourself by calling people liars for telling the truth.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
    • Observer

      AtheistsMorons

      "You're an even more liar saying that your taxes money is a voluntary support for christians"

      Where is the word "VOLUNTARY"? So is your problem reading comprehension or intelligence?

      Please look up the word "liar" in a dictionary since you don't have a clue in the world what it means. WOW.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:07 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      You nasty little snake, you are avoiding my question by answering me about a non religious based association. The question was name me a single atheists association or individuals that are indeed giving money or any other help for those in needs.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • Observer

      AtheistsMorons,

      Grow up. The juvenile name-calling just shows a complete lack of maturity.

      There are no major atheist organizations. Atheists contribute to all causes such as the Red Cross, etc. This SHOULDN'T be news to anyone.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Why would anyone need an association to give to charity, AMoron? Why do Christians need a charity to be associated with religion? Doesn't it ever dawn on you that atheists give to all kinds of causes, regardless of the affiliation? They just don't need to brag about it like Christians on here do.

      By the way, I know who you are. You've been here time and time again, with the same old, tired schtick. Last time, you and Salero played freeze tag together. Only you're such a little pantywaist you have to use a different name now. Scared someone will remember things you posted?

      April 28, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Atheists give to all causes. Come on, you know to well that is it a lie. Atheists don't give money or else to any causes but to their own. You all like to brag your banner all over the places, saying atheists can love without a god and atheists is beautiful, that's a lie and you know it. There is nothing you people do to show your compassion, simply because you have no compassion whatsoever. Your agenda is only to attack religions but you have nothing to offer as an alternative other than just lies. Go back to your closets where you always belonged to.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:26 pm |
    • The real Tom

      My tax accountant can tell you otherwise. But it wouldn't matter to a dimbulb like you.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Everyone pays taxes moron, it's not because you do that you do it purposely , it's because you have no other choices. If you atheists morons would have a choice you wouldn't give a penny to the needy ones.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • Joel Osteen

      @AM – time for you to go play in the street. You're giving Christians a bad name with your behavior. Run along now – trolls should be in the street at all times.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Atheists should be and should stay in their closets were they really belong to.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
    • The real Tom

      AMoron, you must be about 15. Doofus, my accountant can tell you that I do indeed give to charity. You're so fvcking dumb you couldn't even grasp my meaning.

      April 28, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
  16. ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

    It is hindu atheism, self center ism of believers of fabrication called evolution by faith, justifies worship of a cow as their gods in hindu secular ism, self center ism.

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OxInaB-zT0&w=640&h=360]

    April 28, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • Ism ism ism

      http://dictionary.reference.com/

      April 28, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
    • Truth

      Taurus was before Moses (reason he dropped the 10 commandments). Aries was before Jesus. Pisces is Jesus. All religions are pagan including anything christian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZgT1SRcrKE

      April 28, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
  17. Jesus freaker

    Those low life with no jobs atheists

    We have the day off thanks to your ceremonies of delusion.

    April 28, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Seems to me that you have a 7 days a week off. You people are here nights and days babbling your big mouths.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • The real Tom

      How would you know that, simpleton, unless you were here reading their posts and noting the times?

      Get a life. If you don't like what atheists post, then leave. Go find yourself another site where no non-believers are allowed. You won't because you wouldn't have a thing to do if it weren't for this board.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      That's an easy question to answer Tom Tom The Son's Piper. Simply because you and your followers are always on those blogs nights and days like carp fishes at the bottom of an aquarium.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Sorry i should have said Tom Tom The Piper's Son instead.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
    • The real Tom

      You wouldn't know that unless you had been here repeatedly and not just for a few days recently, sweetie. You and Salero played tag here a few weeks ago and you posted the same lame crap you're blabbering today. I know who you are. You're using a different name than before. Why? Afraid?

      Why is it such a problem for you to ignore what others do here? Don't you have any self-control at all?

      April 28, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      I caught you red handed Tom Tom? lol

      April 28, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Caught me red-handed? Doing what, you lamebrain? You're the one who's been caught lying yet again. Unless you've been here for more than " a few days", you wouldn't know that my name was Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son until about a month ago, when I changed it because some troll like you was using it

      Apparently, you're such a dolt that you think I've been hiding. Only someone as stupid as you are would try to "hide" behind a new name that incorporates part of the old one.

      Were you dropped on your head?

      April 28, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
  18. nutjob

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju7TZj6c1xA&w=640&h=360]

    April 28, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
  19. The Non Believer

    The idea that humanity needs a super natural enity to be moral is an insult. The further position that reward or punishment is a motivator is degrading and absurd. Who is moral based only on the idea that after death there is a heaven to go to?

    April 28, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • lol??

      How long ya been livin' with that proud condition?

      April 28, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Ha ha ha ha ha ha LOL

      April 28, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • The Non Believer

      How long have you been living with that servile condition?

      April 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      Christians claim to know the mind of god and that the entire universe was created for humans!!!! You make a fool of yourself with every comment.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Atheists pretend to know exactly how the universe happened to be and that we come down from monkeys.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      Unlike religion, science takes the stance that it is not infallible. So when you make this claim that atheists pretend to know....you are still on the wrong side of the argument. You guys not only pretend to know that with complete confidence but even other things that have been proven wrong and then on top of that you kill and torture people who disagree with any points. Even if anyone was to concede your point, which I have proven false. You guys would still be worse by faaaaarrrr!

      April 28, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
    • The Non Believer

      Atheists do not claim to know how the Universe or life began. That's the religious claim, that god did it. Evolution has much evidence for it. Creating Adam not so much.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      Also you lose all credibility when you say that atheists think we came from monkeys. If I came into a religious argument and said that the Christian god is made of cheese Im sure you would realize that I am not fit for such a debate.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
    • The Non Believer

      And no one has answered my question. Who is moral based only on the idea that after death there is a heaven to go to?

      April 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Godoflunaticscreation

      Unlike religion, science takes the stance that it is not infallible.

      So you admit that you could be wrong? What kind of a fool will deny everything else for a certainty when he knows that he can be wrong himself on his hypothesis.Only an atheists would be fool enough to do this.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      You fail again. Atheism is the default position. There is nothing to deny. You have provided no evidence. You shouldn't have dropped out of the 4th grade.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:51 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Who made you the ruler of this world who is holding the answer for everything?

      April 28, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      That is not so much a question as a false implication.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
    • The Non Believer

      I asked a question and am still waiting for the answer.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      @Non Believer

      I do think when we die we go to heaven, i can't prove it nor i can say there is no heaven. But i will see that in time when i die. But i won't be as stupid as going to say like you atheists are saying that there is nothing on the other side without having a single proof if there is or not a heaven. I'm not stupid enough to definitely force down the throat of the people by telling them that there is not while i'm not even sure myself if there is one or not. That is called pretentious.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
    • oOo

      @AtheistsMorons

      I see that people have tried to be nice to you which is more than you deserve since you're not paying attention to the obvious hints. Theists are the ones that make claims and claim to have answers for every little last thing. An atheist can live the understanding that he/she does not have answers to many of the mysteries of our existence. Most atheists are careful to distinguish between things we can accept are real through consensus and things that are only theory or unknown. Now read back through all your cute little posts and see why you were ASSuming the wrong things or that you "loaded" your questions in an obviously stupid manner.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Nasty little liars, your atheists banners says There Is No God, There Is No Heaven and so on. How do you call that? I call that being pretentious and brain washing.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • oOo

      Well some Christians put up nasty things on banners as well. But should we judge all by was is done by the few? You're obviously uneducated about mainstream atheism or you wouldn't have made such stupid assumptions.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
    • The real Tom

      your atheists banners says There Is No God,

      Nope. Never put up a banner of any kind in my entire life. The people I see with banners are the anti-choice zealots who stand outside the clinic down the street with huge signs showing gory pictures of fetuses they claim are representative of all abortions. They do this every Saturday morning, when families with kids will be driving past them on their way to soccer practice.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      You are such a bunch of liars, there is no words coming out of your mouths which isn't a lie. Just go on google dot com and type atheists banners and checked in the images search and you will see if atheists banners doesn't say there is no god and so on. Bunch of hypocrites and nasty little liars.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • The real Tom

      So what? Do you think all non-believers do such things? How stupid are you? Or are you just so angry about your dead-end life that you have to get on here to blow off steam?

      What is your problem? Why do you care what atheists think? Why does it infuriate you so?

      April 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
    • The Non Believer

      @atheistmorons

      Thank you for your honest reply. So, do you not commit murder because you may go to heaven? I know I do not commit murder because murder is immoral. I have no hope of going to heaven after I die. I cannot bring myself to committ murder.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      My problems is you atheists, lying to the public about your real agenda. You have no alternatives for this world, you have nothing good to bring other than your nasty little unclean and snaky ways. Go back to your closets were you really belong to.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
    • Joel Osteen

      Time for AM to go play in the street. Trolls should stay in the street.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      Idiot, do you seriously think christians are the only ones that kill others? Look at these kids pill popping generation. Ask anyone of them if they believe in a god, they will tell you there is no god and yet those are the same kids that kill others in schools and on the streets. Because they are atheists, they are not afraid to kill and afraid to have to answer to a god because they believe there is nothing on the other side. They believe there is no consequences for their acts . Nice job and well done atheists for brainwashing these kids today. Congratulations lying morons.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Gotta be a Poe. No one is that stupid.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
    • The Non Believer

      @AtheistMorons

      Wisdom begins with saying "I don't know." The more we know the more we realize what we don't know.

      April 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
    • AtheistsMorons

      There you go again, you atheists are pretty lame at denying the truth all the time. Snaky little liars.

      April 28, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
  20. MormonChristian

    So where are we going with this "all Christians are loony" propaganda?? Seems there are a growing number of haters in the ranks of the Atheists, who think we believers are dangerous, stupid, don't fit into modern society. Are you going to pin yellow crosses on us and herd us into Death Camps? How is the bigotry you are fomenting any better than what you condemn???

    April 28, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Godoflunaticscreation

      You live in an upside down world. Atheists just want Christians to stop persecuting non-christians and in some instances, each other (Romney). You are the ones with thousands of years of blood on your hands and yet you paint a few outspoken atheists as if they were the christians. I hope you get the mental help you need, to overcome your affliction.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Recognizing that religious belief is no different that belief in astrology and treating adherents the same is as far as I would go.

      April 28, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
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