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April 29th, 2013
10:51 AM ET

New film examines science vs. religion

(CNN) – Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins discuss religion in the modern world and debate science in their new film.

- Dan Merica

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  1. catholic engineer

    Apparently, scientism is very much in its adolescence. Most of its proponents are still in the Victorian scientific mode of thinking. Instead of saying that religion is dellusional, maybe they should notice that the blind dumb forces of nature have produced a being with religious yearnings. But such questions won't fit into the tiny paradigm of scientific materialists.
    If humans are merely the accidental result of natural processes, than we should feel entirely at home in nature and all that it encompasses. Carl Jung once walked down a street and noticed hundreds of ants attacking a worm. He thought how appalling nature can be. How did evolution produce a creature who then turns on nature and makes judgements like Jung did? If we are entirely the product of nature, we should be entirely at home in it, earthquakes, disease, and all. We are never comfortable in our own skin. And there has always been that "something more". Humans are always seaking a destiny higher than themselves. How is it that nature produced a being whom it cannot satisfy. Its been said, "because I'm hungry, I know that there is bread." The religious person experiences this yearning then says, "I cannot find satisfaction in nature for this yearning, so the satisfaction must be transcendant." The atheist will not acknowledge anything higher than himself. He insists that the desire for the transcendant is irrational, yet he replaces it with something unworthy of him.

    April 29, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • Science

      The old pope created the mess !

      Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
      Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/pope-praises-science-but-insists-god-created-world/

      April 29, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      Simply put, Hawking is out of his depth if transcendental matters are involve. Apparently you believe Hawkings. If so, you are at his intelligence level and understand him thoroughly. Or you are are assuming he is right......an equivalent to faith.
      At any rate “The universe begins to look more like a great thought than a great machine”
      James Jeans ,English physicist and Mathematician, 1877-1946)
      Jeans' observation seems much more worthy of human attention than Hawkings obsession with the "millions and billions" of Carl Sagan.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @engineer

      I'm wondering whether you even notice your cherry picking of people to listen to, and your condescending manner.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
    • Thoth

      @CE – transcendentals are in the category of philosophy, not science. Why would a scientist seeking evidence be concerned about something for which there is no evidence? At least in his theories, Hawking utilizes evidence and reason to support them. No, I'm nowhere near his cognitive ability; and yes I put more faith in someone theorizing based on evidence, then people theorizing based on manifested conjecture.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • Jane, you ignorant slvt

      "transcendental matters"

      Uh oh, is that "spooky" physics rearing its ugly head again?

      April 29, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • Science

      TO CE !

      The land of the dead....................the promblem is smarts..................are you as smart as a 5th grader ?

      Listening to the Big Bang – In High Fidelity

      Apr. 4, 2013 — A decade ago, spurred by a question for a fifth-grade science project, University of Washington physicist John Cramer devised an audio recreation of the Big Bang that started our universe nearly 14 billion years ago.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130404170154.htm

      April 29, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Science

      Oops ........problem.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      @Science The Big Bang theory was first proposed by Georges Le Maitre, a Catholic Domincan priest. Le Maitre convinced Albert Einstein that the universe was not static.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • Reality

      No need for science to refute much if not all of Christianity and for that all the other religions:

      History marches on with rigorous reviews of what is known about said religions. Some results:

      1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

      “New Torah For Modern Minds

      Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

      Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

      The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “
      prob•a•bly
      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

      2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

      The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

      earlychristianwritings.com/

      For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

      Current RCC problems:

      Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

      2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

      Current problems:
      Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

      3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

      This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

      And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

      Current crises:

      The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

      4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

      The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

      Current problems:

      The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

      5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

      "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

      Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

      Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said religions.

      Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

      April 29, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • Science

      Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle

      Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm

      April 29, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • Reality

      For those who are "reading-challenged":

      Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

      • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

      • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

      • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

      • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

      • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

      • A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinker bells? etc) exist that we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • Thoth

      @CE

      "The Big Bang theory was first proposed by Georges Le Maitre, a Catholic Domincan priest"

      True. And if you read about Le Maitre you will discover that he not only struggled with his faith, he was quite vocal that science should be independent of, and un-shackled from the church.....

      Just adding a little context.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      catholic engineer,

      For every believer there are fast becoming many non. The scratching posts for the nonbeliever are found as being the believers stances. I though am religiously scientific in my rather dubious appraisals in regards to the Triune Cosmologies of Spatial Relevancies of which I have shared to others in my quest toward others finding understanding my views of rather perceptively orientated science based analogies. For all celestially atomized life formations are merely cellular cosmologies living upon a celestial construct called earth which is part of the celestial cosmos. Such simplicity cannot be reckoned by those with closed minds.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • lol??

      Science, age of the earth and why it's like bread dough:
      So far scientists have not found a way to determine the exact age of the Earth directly from Earth rocks because Earth's oldest rocks have been recycled and destroyed by the process of plate tectonics. If there are any of Earth's primordial rocks left in their original state, they have not yet been found. Nevertheless, scientists have been able to determine the probable age of the Solar System and to calculate an age for the Earth by as*suming that the Earth and the rest of the solid bodies in the Solar System formed at the same time and are, therefore, of the same age." USGS Quite the as*sumptions.

      April 29, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
    • Science

      lol?? Go pound a few chondrites together and see what appears ?

      Lead to Gold lol??

      Like the LEAD to GOLD ISSUE ?

      Where Does All Earth's Gold Come From? Precious Metals the Result of Meteorite Bombardment, Rock Analysis Finds

      Sep. 9, 2011 — Ultra high precision analyses of some of the oldest rock samples on Earth by researchers at the University of Bristol provides clear evidence that the planet's accessible reserves of precious metals are the result of a bombardment of meteorites more than 200 million years after Earth was formed.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110907132044.htm

      Chondrites are fun to find !

      Peace

      April 29, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • ME II

      @lol?,
      "as*suming that the Earth and the rest of the solid bodies in the Solar System formed at the same time and are, therefore, of the same age"

      Why is that quite the ascription? There are rocks dated at 4.28 billion years, getting the last ~0.5 billion years from meteorites doesn't seem especially speculative. (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080925144624.htm)

      April 29, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • ME II

      ascription -> assumption

      April 29, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • Science

      A little backfill on those stoney irom meteorites !. CE

      Grains of Sand from Ancient Supernova Found in Meteorites: Supernova May Have Been the One That Triggered the Formation of the Solar System

      Apr. 19, 2013 — It's a bit like learning the secrets of the family that lived in your house in the 1800s by examining dust particles they left behind in cracks in the floorboards.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130422111246.htm

      April 29, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
  2. Steven

    I've never understood how people can still believe in religious nonsense here in the 21st century.

    April 29, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Steven,

      Does not Christianity's Word give hope to the depraved minds? Are not the socially embittered in need of emotional support? Can societal wisdoms give structure to such depraved and socially embittered minds? Is being persecuted by social animosities an unfair "practice'? Who among you can dare facilitate with the socially depraved and emotionally insecure? Psychiatry would rather heavily drug up such people rather then root out the individual causations of the socially depraved and emotionally insecure.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:11 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Oh is lionly going to push his conspiracy of all psychiatrists working for the "big pharma" in an attempt to to dope up the entire population? That's always a hilarious topic that highlights the paranoid delusions of some people.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • Steven

      lionlylamb,

      I have no idea what you re on about.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      hawaiiguest,

      I have been made aware of psychiatry's over medicating their clients ever since I became one at the age of 33. Now 58, I did put my foot down regarding their over medicating me! I was heard out and given a lower dose which appealed to me and have since become stable and ever alert regarding my mental perceptions. I have also known of many psychiatric clients receiving multiple meds of ever increasingly higher doses and meds to counter act said meds' side effects leaving many clients to be as mindless vegetables. Until you are made aware of a psychiatric client's being over medicated via being a client, your word on such matters is mute.

      April 29, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
    • meifumado

      indoctrination.

      April 29, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      I'm not sure that being the 21st century is relevant. Science concentrates on natural phenomina, including the evolution of the human organism. Religion is more interested in human nature itself. Human nature has not changed in many millenia. The old cavemen would eliminate each other with stones and spears. Todays cavemen threaten each other with mushroom clouds and biological weaponry. (These things are developed by scientists, not theologians.) Humans are capable of great virtue (something not identified in science) or such things as genocide.

      April 29, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • fintastic

      Hey lambchop....... what in the world does that crap you posted have to do with the OP's post or the topic of the article for that matter?.... what is this, lambchop's random thought blog??...

      April 30, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
  3. lionlylamb

    There is science to be so considered within the understandings of spatial cosmologic relations.

    The Triune Cosmological Rationalisms of Spatial Relevance

    1. The Atomized Cosmologies

    2. The Celestial Cosmologies

    3. The Cellular Cosmologies

    The atomic structures of cosmological relations were of the first cosmologies made manifested within the spatial realm of cosmic rationalisms. Being sub-celestial, all atomized cosmologies are the 'building blocks' of multi-spatial relationships giving rise to celestial cosmologies where from, celestial life formations were manifested via atomized building blocks ultimately becoming as cellular chasms of atomized cosmologic orders wherever and within the celestial chasms are ultimately found to be suitable for the promotion of celestial life formations to so be made manifest.

    April 29, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "There is science to be so considered within the understandings of spatial cosmologic relations.

      The Triune Cosmological Rationalisms of Spatial Relevance

      1. The Atomized Cosmologies

      2. The Celestial Cosmologies

      3. The Cellular Cosmologies"

      Those aren't sciences and you are full of hot air.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Tommie,

      Are atoms not of science? Is not the celestial a science? Are not life cells a science? Isn't cosmology a science? Aren't cosmological orders based upon scientific understandings?

      April 29, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • The real Tom

      You're a windbag, LL. Your posts are meaningless. You can use scientific terms all you want but they mean nothing when immersed in drivel.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      The crux of lionlys post is "Atoms and spiral galaxies look sort of similar". That's all. The rest is a bunch of pseudo intellectual sounding bullshit that says absolutely nothing about anything.
      Lionly when will you realize that your posts are transparent piles of shit that no one reads anymore?

      April 29, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Tommie,

      I am not the one bewailing bitterness and moaning unendingly. I attempt to corroborate and explain my personal views with the least obfuscation as is possible. Seldom have I ridiculed others. You, on the other hand find values in chastising and ridiculing on most of your postings.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • The real Tom

      LL, you can keep on blathering and making up words and redefining others, but no matter how many syllables you type, your posts still will mean nothing. They're gibberish. Oh, there might be some kernel of thought buried among the malapropisms and invented spelling, but it's never anything worthy of the digging it takes to get at it.

      I wonder if you're a hoarder, too. Is your house buried in old newspapers as your thoughts are buried in the detritus of your mind?

      April 29, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      hawaiiguest,

      Your persecution about my perspectives tells one nothing except showing others your embittered and pompous litanies. The terminology called "Fractal Cosmology" is what you might willingly teach yourself to give you a sense of understanding my principles of which I have spent much time fathoming.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Tommie,

      Still being pompous are we?

      April 29, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      It's useless equivocation fallacies interspersed with fancy words that literally adds up to "these things look similar isn't that cool durrrrr".
      Get over yourself you pompous moron.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      hawaiiguest,

      Look who's calling the kettle? Hg, why must you and Tommie want to incite your witticisms as channeled vulgarities? What good can come from embittering others? I do try hard not to use vulgarity and name calling with others.

      April 29, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      And once again you feign indignation to avoid actually addressing that your posts add up to absolutely nothing.

      April 29, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
  4. meifumado

    I would like to see you eat that.

    April 29, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
  5. Salero21

    Atheism is stupidity in Full bloom.

    April 29, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
    • Paul

      In that case you must be an atheist.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • Brian

      You seem to be confusing religion and atheism. Us atheists aren't going around believing in sky fairies.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • Salero21

      You are all going to die from the butt flu you will catch from the hom.os.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      S21 is just a lying troll...ignore it.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • Brucholic

      You have convinced me with your well thought out and logical argument.
      /sarcasm off

      April 29, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • Salero21

      Atheists are not only foolish among the fools but they also take the time and make all the effort to DEMONstrate it.

      April 29, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • fintastic

      Deluded saltshaker bible thumper....

      April 30, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
  6. sweenbass

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if i have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason & your own common sense." Attributed to Buddha

    April 29, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
  7. mzh

    2:277 – Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds and establish prayer and give zakah will have their reward with their Lord, and there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.

    O our Lord, please forgive us all and guide us to the straight path... amin

    Peace!!!

    April 29, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Rev. Tim Lovejoy

      I'd like you to remember Matthew 7:26. "The foolish man who built his house upon the sand.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Wow, how impressive another quote from the buybull.
      What did you hope to prove by posting that?

      April 29, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      You will all go to the heII of the FSM if you continue in your disbelief in his Noodley Goodness. But fear not unbelievers, for the heII of the FSM is much like heaven with its beer volcano and strip-per factory. But be not deceived, for in the heII of the FMS the beer is always flat and the strip-pers all have STDs.

      So repent now and believe and you will be brought into his lasagneous folds.

      R’amen!!

      April 29, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • Science

      mzh...................... the wrong path is Adam and Eve !

      Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought

      Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm

      No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US

      Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.

      No god(s) needed................... Old. DNA works..................also catches crooks !

      Ancient DNA Reveals Europe's Dynamic Genetic History

      Apr. 23, 2013 — Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7,500 years old has been used to reconstruct the first detailed genetic history of modern Europe.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130423134037.htm

      April 29, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
    • mzh

      Dear Rev. Tim Lovejoy:
      I appreciate you for your reference... What you said it applies to most of the human... my humble request to you is to study the source of what you are referring to and study the time it was written and what types of time it went through... you would understand if you are someone among the thinkers... also try to find the contradicts within the book that you are referring to... for example, Catholic says to worship Marry the mother of Jesus whereas rest of the denominations do not agree... do you see the difference? i hope you do... and there are a lot more...

      Dear Follow the Logic:
      It does not really matter what century you live in... it applied since the day human created and it applies now and it will apply till the end of the manking...

      Dear Truth Prevails :-):
      I hope mankind will find the light and get out of the darkness that most human are living in... by associating partners with The Almighty... but again i am here just to let others know and let others decide... as everyone of us will be held accountable for our ownself but not for other... as Quran also teaches that "your job is just to warn people and let them decide as you are not over them as a decision maker but let them make their own decision, as all of us are heading toward Him"...

      Thats All...

      April 29, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • Science

      mzh

      Surprising New Function for Small RNAs in Evolution.........time to pound sand maybe ?

      Apr. 19, 2013 — An international research team in including Christian Schlötterer and Alistair McGregor of the Vetmeduni Vienna has discovered a completely new mechanism by which evolution can change the appearance of an organism. The researchers found that the number of hairs on flies' legs varies according to the level of activity of a so-called microRNA.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130419075909.htm

      April 29, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • meifumado

      Quran (9:5) – "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

      Convert submit or die, No thank you.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    • Science

      And the old pope created IT !

      Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
      Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/pope-praises-science-but-insists-god-created-world/

      April 29, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
    • mzh

      Dear Science:
      I am not against the discovering of science... I do not believe that anything happens without the permission of The Almighty... so whatever is being discovered by our great scientists is also a blessings to mankind... for example, one of the greatest discovers of scientists is Airplane... which made it easy to travel these days where in old days people used to ride a horse or by boat... that is a huge blessings from The Creator... I do not take the one contradicts with faith... for example i strongly believe the human creation is not from aps or any animal whatever the %age they find that matches with both DNAs...
      Sometimes knowledge is a tests for the mankind... its very easy to fall in trap of the discovers of scientists by forgetting the Almighty... and human tend to think that they are all independent... Quran teaches that someone is given the knowledge is a test for him that how is acknowledges it and the one who uses it also test for him that how he takes it... i hope it will help a little...

      April 29, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
  8. Mike from CT

    Why watch the movie? The discussion was already had with British mathematician and philosopher of science who is Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford John Lennox

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBjZWLY7N5g&w=560&h=315]

    April 29, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • Mike from CT
      April 29, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBjZWLY7N5g&w=560&h=315]

      April 29, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Sorry someone moved it

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UIbd0eLxw&w=640&h=360]

      April 29, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • meifumado

      Makes me sad when i see intelligent people brainwashed as Lennox is.

      April 29, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
  9. Colin

    So, many believe that science and religion are compatible. That they can "be friends". Hmmm, let's see.

    Science – Hello Religion, I'm science. I am about 3,000 years old.

    Religion – Hello Science, I am older than you. As far as we can tell, I go back about 40,000 years or more. There is even evidence that Neanderthals practiced me.

    Science – Really!! How do we know that, Religion?

    Religion – Because of you.

    Science – So, Religion, what do you do?

    Religion – Well, in the USA, I give comfort to not very smart people by letting them think that a being powerful enough to create the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies will cause them to live happily ever after in heaven after they die if they follow some rules laid down by ignorant farmers and herders in the Middle East 2,000 years ago.

    Science – You're kidding me. They buy that?

    Religion – You'd be surprised. Not only that, but in poorer, less educated parts of the World, I can actually convince people to hit themselves until they bleed, starve themselves, bob in front of a stone wall for hours on end, wade into filthy rivers and, in some cases, to kill other people or even themselves. It's incredible what I can get people to do once I convince them to drop the requirements of logic and common sense.

    Science – Oh my goodness, I'm not sure I want to be your friend. Do you do any good?

    Religion – I sell a lot of books. And what about you science, what do you do?

    Science – I relieve pain and cure disease. I also extend lives, allow travel, communication, and people to understand and control their environment. I allow humans to explore outer space, the bottom of the oceans and subatomic particles. In short, I have allowed humans to live longer, more informed lives, and with a degree of knowledge and comfort once never dreamed of.

    Religion – Wow, they buy that?

    Science – No, of course not. Unlike you, I have to deliver. I cannot claim something and avoid skepticism by alleging that it only happens after you die, or that my claim is "beyond understanding" or otherwise exempt from critical analysis or proof.

    Religion – That's gotta suck.

    Science – You get used to it. Anyway, I need a friend I can rely on. One of substance, not dreams. One of proof, not spoof and one of intellectual discipline, not flakey promises. I don't think we can be friends. Please go away.

    Religion – Now we both know that's not going to happen.

    April 29, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • Rev. Tim Lovejoy

      I'd like you to remember Matthew 7:26. "The foolish man who built his house upon the sand."

      April 29, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • sciguy

      Thanks for posting – was an amusing read!

      April 29, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • Colin

      Thanks Rev. That is why I found my view of the Universe on the concrete pillars of science, logic and reason, not on a belief system that requires no validation, differs from country to country and is repeatedly proven to be flat wrong and little more than Greco-Roman mythology rehashed as Middle Ages superst.itions.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • Rev. Tim Lovejoy

      Everybody is saying Middle Ages this and re-hash that. Nobody is saying worship this, and Jericho that.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      The historic support from the Church for reason and education is so overwhelming as to make the conflict between the two mute at best, at worst a canard. But you keep putting up your straw men Colin. People find them amusing. As an supposedly educated person, I would think you'd have more integrity than to provide such a campaign of disinformation. Perhaps you have an ax to grind?

      April 29, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
    • Science

      Mr. Bill Deacon..............the pope CREATED IT............can you READ ?

      Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
      Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/pope-praises-science-but-insists-god-created-world/

      April 29, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • Science

      Oops correction Bill................the old pope ...........not the new old one !

      April 29, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • Brian

      Just to correct you date: Science didn't really come about until around 500 years ago - give or take a hundred years. The greek philosophers though of scientific ideas (and some came relatively close to our current day understanding), but they lacked the scientific method to prove their theories.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • The Demon Deacon

      Bill Deacon
      Is irrelevant. Billy is an obsequious papal apologist troll. and
      Is a self confessed murderer.
      So Billy what is it redeemed or rehabilitated? Confession is just a crutch if you do not stop the behaviour. Not surprising that the church laity produced a great deal of science since they controlled the education system for centuries. Now that the rest of the world has caught up much of the break through science is coming from Asia/Asians and other cultures and of course atheist/agnostic people.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
  10. sean ryan

    In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth. [beginning-time] [heavens-space] [earth-matter] all in the first verse of the Holy Bible! science CAN NOT DESPUTE THAT mr. Dawkins.

    April 29, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Rev. Tim Lovejoy

      I'd like you to remember Matthew 7:26. "The foolish man who built his house upon the sand.

      April 29, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
    • Paul

      He may not be able to "despute" it, but I bet he can dispute it.

      April 29, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • meifumado

      You do know that is not any type of evidence ya?

      Your saying that god created the universe is fact because it says so in the bible?

      Please seek help your borderline insane.

      April 29, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      sean: How old is the earth?
      Anything can be disputed (note the spelling of that word), using your buybull to prove anything is relation to christianity fails flat every time...it's called circular reasoning. And Dawkins is an Evolutionary Biologist...slightly more intelligent than the men who wrote that buybull.

      April 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Science

      sean ryan................backfill !................facts work best for teaching children !

      Evolution wins hands down ..........time for god(s) to get the HELL out of the way................so humanity can evolve !

      Dinosaur Egg Study Supports Evolutionary Link Between Birds and Dinosaurs: How Troodon Likely Hatched Its Young

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130418104324.htm

      Source listed above is better than the bible !

      April 29, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • sam stone

      sean: how does one go about disproving that statement? there is nothing specific about it

      April 29, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • Doobs

      "In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth. [beginning-time] [heavens-space] [earth-matter] all in the first verse of the Holy Bible! science CAN NOT DESPUTE THAT mr. Dawkins.'

      No one is "desputing" that this is the first verse of the bible. It is.

      "Scarlett O'Hara was not beautiful, but men seldom realized it when caught by her charms as the Tarleton twins now were."

      That is the first line of "Gone With The Wind". It doesn't make Scarlett any more real than your book makes god real.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
  11. Let's get ready to rumble

    Reality vs. Fantasy

    April 29, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • Science

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

      April 29, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
  12. Rev. Tim Lovejoy

    I keep hearing about Cern this and Higgs that, but nobody is saying worship this, and Jericho that.

    April 29, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • fintastic

      "wait a minute.... that sounds like rock-and-or-roll..."

      April 30, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
  13. lol??

    science vs. religion???? War again? Next thing they'll be claiming is light has a speed limit.

    April 29, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      It's all for ratings. They know that when they put science and religion in contention then they will get more posts on that blog.

      April 29, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Science

      lol??............you farting again ?

      April 29, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • WASP

      @lol troll: " Next thing they'll be claiming is light has a speed limit."

      ummm light does have a "speed limit" everything is bound by the laws of physics. we can't even get close to the speed of light due to the energy needed to counter our increasing mass as we get closer to the speed of light.

      only way to by pass speed of light is "sub-space travel" which we are eons from achieveing.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • Science

      lol?? ..............passing gas again ?

      April 29, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • lol??

      Maybe, maybe not wasp.
      "Scientists have apparently broken the universe’s speed limit.

      For generations, physicists believed there is nothing faster than light moving through a vacuum — a speed of 186,000 miles per second.

      But in an experiment in Princeton, N.J., physicists sent a pulse of laser light through cesium vapor so quickly that it left the chamber before it had even finished entering.

      The pulse traveled 310 times the distance it would have covered if the chamber had contained a vacuum.

      Researchers say it is the most convincing demonstration yet that the speed of light — supposedly an ironclad rule of nature — can be pushed beyond known boundaries, at least under certain laboratory circu*mstances."
      http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=120095&page=1#.UX6-cKKG2xA

      April 29, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • lol??

      from wiki:

      "According to present-day understanding of what is called the vacuum state or the quantum vacuum, it is "by no means a simple empty space",[1] and again: "it is a mistake to think of any physical vacuum as some absolutely empty void."[2] According to quantum mechanics, the vacuum state is not truly empty but instead contains fleeting electromagnetic waves and particles that pop into and out of existence."

      April 29, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • Science

      lol??

      Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.

      Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.

      http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm

      April 29, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • lol??

      The universe might not be as old as you think it is. Get rid of all those little nasties doing the impeding and the creation light could have been much faster. Just a thought. It was on the first day, ya know.

      "Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

      April 29, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
  14. Reality

    As recommended in the video clip: A continuance of the discussion-

    AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE 21st CENTURY WORLD

    Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

    "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

    Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

    Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

    Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)(As do Biden and Ryan)

    The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

    Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.

    Added details are available.

    April 29, 2013 at 11:50 am |
  15. Honey Badger Don't Care!

    TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!

    There is only one Flying Spaghetti Monster and he created the world much as it exists today, but for reasons unknown made it appear that the universe is billions of years old (instead of thousands) and that life evolved into its current state (rather than created in its current form). Every time a researcher carries out an experiment that appears to confirm one of these “scientific theories” supporting an old earth and evolution we can be sure that the FSM is there, modifying the data with his Noodly Appendage.

    April 29, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • sciguy

      RAmen

      April 29, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Did the FSM have any friends that closely walked (or flew) with him/her? Did any contemporaries write down the historical life of the FSM? Where there any challenges to the contemporary writings? Does archaeology support any of the historical information of the FSM? Did the FSM live in such a way that his closest friends claim there was no deceit found in him? Did the FSM give any sermons about morality which through the years have been the source of every other discussion of morality?

      April 29, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • Paul

      MIke, don't be such an idiot.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      All of that happened for the FSM too, and more!

      April 29, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • Paul

      Yeah Mike, unless you can prove that The FSM is not real then you should probably repent and believe in him.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • Colin

      Oh Topher, a few inconvenient facts for you.

      First and most obviously is the fossil record. The fossil record is much, much more than just dinosaurs. Indeed, dinosaurs only get the press because of their size, but they make up less than 1% of the entire fossil record. Life had been evolving on Earth for over 3 thousand million years before dinosaurs evolved and has gone on evolving for 65 million years after the Chicxulub meteor likely wiped them out.

      The fossil record includes the Stromatolites, colonies of prokaryotic bacteria, that range in age going back to about 3 billion years, the Ediacara fossils from South Australia, widely regarded as among the earliest multi-celled organisms, the Cambrian species of the Burgess shale in Canada (circa – 450 million years ago) the giant scorpions of the Silurian Period, the giant, wingless insects of the Devonian period, the insects, amphibians, reptiles, fishes, clams, crustaceans of the Carboniferous Period, the many precursors to the dinosaurs, the 700 odd known species of dinosaurs themselves, the subsequent dominant mammals, including the saber tooth tiger, the mammoths and hairy rhinoceros of North America and Asia, the fossils of early man in Africa and the Neanderthals of Europe.

      The fossil record shows a consistent and worldwide evolution of life on Earth dating back to about 3,500,000,000 years ago. There are literally millions of fossils that have been recovered, of thousands of different species and they are all located where they would be in the geological record if life evolved slowly over billions of years. None of them can be explained by a 6,000 year old Earth and Noah’s flood. Were they all on the ark? What happened to them when it docked?

      A Tyrannosaurus Rex ate a lot of food – meat- which means its food would itself have to have been fed, like the food of every other carnivore on the ark for the entire 360 odd days Noah supposedly spent on the ark. T-Rex was not even the largest carnivorous dinosaur we know of. Spinosaurus, Argentinosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus were all larger and ate more even meat. Even they were not large enough to bring down the largest sauropods we know of, many species of which weighed in at close to 100 tons and were about 100 feet long. A bit of “back of the envelope” math quickly shows that “Noah’s Ark” would actually have to have been an armada of ships larger than the D-Day invasion force, manned by thousands and thousands of people – and this is without including the World’s 300,000 current species of plants, none of which could walk merrily in twos onto the ark.

      Then, of course, there are the various races of human beings. There were no Sub-Saharan Africans, Chinese, Australian Aboriginals, blonde haired Scandinavians, Pygmies or Eskimos on the Ark. Where did they come from?

      Second, there are those little things we call oil, natural gas and other fossil fuels. Their mere existence is another independent and fatal blow to the creationists. Speak to any geologist who works for Exxon Mobil, Shell or any of the thousands of mining, oil or natural gas related companies that make a living finding fossil fuels. They will tell you these fossil fuels take millions of years to develop from the remains of large, often Carboniferous Period forests, in the case of coal, or tiny marine creatures in the case of oil. For the fossils to develop into oil or coal takes tens or hundreds of millions of years of “slow baking” under optimum geological conditions. That’s why they are called “fossil fuels.” Have a close look at coal, you can often see the fossilized leaves in it. The geologists know exactly what rocks to look for fossil fuels in, because they know how to date the rocks to tens or hundreds of millions of years ago. Creationists have no credible explanation for this.

      Third, most of astronomy and cosmology would be wrong if the creationists were right. In short, as Einstein showed, light travels at a set speed. Space is so large that light from distant stars takes many years to reach the Earth. In some cases, this is millions or billions of years. The fact that we can see light from such far away stars means it began its journey billions of years ago. The Universe must be billions of years old. We can currently see galaxies whose light left home 13, 700,000,000 years ago. Indeed, on a clear night, one can see the collective, misty light of many stars more than 6,000 light years away with the naked eye, shining down like tiny accusatorial witnesses against the nonsense of creationism.

      Fourth, we have not just carbon dating, but also all other methods used by scientists to date wood, rocks, fossils, and other artifacts. These comprehensively disprove the Bible’s claims. They include uranium-lead dating, potassium-argon dating as well as other non-radioactive methods such as pollen dating, dendrochronology and ice core dating. In order for any particular rock, fossil or other artifact to be aged, generally two or more samples are dated independently by two or more laboratories in order to ensure an accurate result. If results were random, as creationists claim, the two independent results would rarely agree. They generally do. They regularly reveal ages much older than Genesis. Indeed, the Earth is about 750,000 times older than the Bible claims, the Universe about three times the age of the Earth.

      Fifth, the relatively new field of DNA mapping not only convicts criminals, it shows in undeniable, full detail how we differ from other life forms on the planet. For example, about 98.4% of human DNA is identical to that of chimpanzees, about 97% of human DNA is identical to that of gorillas, and slightly less again of human DNA is identical to the DNA of monkeys. This gradual divergence in DNA can only be rationally explained by the two species diverging from a common ancestor, and coincides perfectly with the fossil record. Indeed, scientists can use the percentage of DNA that two animal share (such as humans and bears, or domestic dogs and wolves) to get an idea of how long ago the last common ancestor of both species lived. It perfectly corroborates the fossil record and is completely independently developed.

      Sixth, the entire field of historical linguistics would have to be rewritten to accommodate the Bible. This discipline studies how languages develop and diverge over time. For example, Spanish and Italian are very similar and have a recent common “ancestor” language, Latin, as most people know. However, Russian is quite different and therefore either did not share a common root, or branched off much earlier in time. No respected linguist anywhere in the World traces languages back to the Tower of Babel, the creationists’ simplistic and patently absurd explanation for different languages. Indeed, American Indians, Australian Aboriginals, “true” Indians, Chinese, Mongols, Ja.panese, Sub-Saharan Africans and the Celts and other tribes of ancient Europe were speaking thousands of different languages thousands of years before the date creationist say the Tower of Babel occurred – and even well before the date they claim for the Garden of Eden.

      Seventh, lactose intolerance is also a clear vestige of human evolution. Most mammals only consume milk as infants. After infancy, they no longer produce the enzyme “lactase” that digests the lactose in milk and so become lactose intolerant. Humans are an exception and can drink milk as adults – but not all humans – some humans remain lactose intolerant. So which humans are no longer lactose intolerant? The answer is those who evolved over the past few thousand years raising cows. They evolved slightly to keep producing lactase as adults so as to allow the consumption of milk as adults. This includes most Europeans and some Africans, notably the Tutsi of Rwanda. On the other hand, most Chinese, native Americans and Aboriginal Australians, whose ancestors did not raise cattle, remain lactose intolerant.

      I could go on and elaborate on a number of other disciplines or facts that creationists have to pretend into oblivion to retain their faith, including the Ice Ages, cavemen and early hominids, much of microbiology, paleontology and archeology, continental drift and plate tectonics. Even large parts of medical research would be rendered unusable but for the fact that monkeys and mice share a common ancestor with us and therefore our fundamental cell biology and basic body architecture is identical to theirs.

      In short, and not surprisingly, the World’s most gifted evolutionary biologists, astronomers, cosmologists, geologists, archeologists, paleontologists, historians, modern medical researchers and linguists (and about 2,000 years of accu.mulated knowledge) are right and a handful of Iron Age Middle Eastern goat herders copying then extant mythology were wrong. Creationists aren’t just trying to swim upstream against the weight of scientific evidence; they are trying to ascend a waterfall.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • Brian

      Lies! All lies! You must worship the one and only true god! The invisible pink unicorn! He is real in faith AND science! You have faith that he is pink, and he is invisible so scientifically cannot be seen! Bow before the almighty invisible pink unicorn!

      April 29, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      " They regularly reveal ages much older than Genesis. Indeed, the Earth is about 750,000 times older than the Bible claims"

      Where does the Bible make the claim of the age of the earth?

      April 29, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      @Paul
      "Yeah Mike, unless you can prove that The FSM is not real then you should probably repent and believe in him."
      Come on that is irrational. You want me to reject evidence that you do not have.
      Unlike Christianity where you have the historical evidence, and have to make a conscious decision to reject it.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:22 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      "For example, about 98.4% of human DNA is identical to that of chimpanzees, about 97% of human DNA is identical to that of gorillas, and slightly less again of human DNA is identical to the DNA of monkeys. This gradual divergence in DNA can only be rationally explained by the two species diverging from a common ancestor, and coincides "

      That's a false conclusion, similar design point to a common designer.

      Now humans and tobacco also have the same numbers of chromosomes, do you really believe you were plucked into existence like the tobacco plant?

      April 29, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • Paul

      Mike the evidence is there for anyone to see. You just have to have faith and believe. If you don't see the evidence then you just didn't try hard enough.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • Brian

      "Unlike Christianity where you have the historical evidence, and have to make a conscious decision to reject it."

      What historical evidence? That historical evidence has been disputed. Heck, the existence of Jesus is even in dispute. I can easily say look at the historical evidence for Judaism (which predates Christianity btw). Both are based on the teachings of Abraham. Does that make it any more valid? People are easily deceived. Just because a billion people believes in something, doesn't make it any more true. If a billion peopled believe 2+2 = fish, that wouldn't make it true.
      Heck, many people regard the bible as an attack on the Roman empire. Not meant to last until today.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • Colin

      Mike from CT – never heard of Luke tracing the genelogy of Jesus back to Adam? Pretty basic stuff. Here it is.

      God
      Adam
      Seth
      Enosh
      Kenan
      Mahalalel
      Jared
      Enoch
      Methuselah
      Lamech
      Noah
      Shem
      Arphaxad
      Kenan
      Shelah
      Eber
      Peleg
      Reu
      Serug
      Nahor
      Terah
      Abraham
      Isaac
      Jacob
      Judah
      Perez
      Hezron
      Ram
      Amminadab
      Nahshon
      Salmon
      Boaz
      Obed
      Jesse
      David
      Nathan
      Mattatha
      Menna
      Melea
      Eliakim
      Jonam
      Joseph
      Judah
      Simeon
      Levi
      Matthat
      Jorim
      Eliezer
      Joshua
      Er
      Elmadam
      Cosam
      Addi
      Melchi
      Neri
      Shealtiel
      Zerubbabel
      Rhesa
      Joanan
      Joda
      Josech
      Semein
      Mattathias
      Mahath
      Naggai
      Hesli
      Nahum
      Amos
      Mattathias
      Joseph
      Jannai
      Melchi
      Levi
      Matthat
      Heli
      *Mary & Joseph
      Jesus

      Any more questions?

      April 29, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • Colin

      Mike from CT – number of chromosones and genetic similarity are two very different things. Once again, really basic stuff. That's where I wish you Bible cuddlers would at least educate yourself on the basics before taking positions on things. You just look foolish.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      That is about the stupidest thing I've seen lately Colin.

      First of all, you're quoting from a book of fiction. Secondly you are quoting a patriarchal line that doesn't even tough the character of Jesus. If Joseph inst the father of Jesus then all of that is worthless.

      Also, why is the genealogy in Mathew and Luke? Ok, time for you to rationalize this problem away without even meeting any burden of proof. GO!

      April 29, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Sorry Colin. I only caught part of that before I posted.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Mike from CT. Just so we're clear on what you believe – how old do you think the universe and earth each are?

      April 29, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      @Brian
      "What historical evidence? That historical evidence has been disputed. Heck, the existence of Jesus is even in dispute"
      Not by any creditable historian, especially the contemporaries.

      "I can easily say look at the historical evidence for Judaism (which predates Christianity btw)."
      And Christians accept because Jesus claim it to be true

      "Does that make it any more valid?"
      What do you have to make it invalid?

      "People are easily deceived. Just because a billion people believes in something, doesn't make it any more true. "
      Correct, including the new Atheism, so again why do YOU dispute the historical evidence in the Gospel

      @Colin,
      Yes I have read Luke.

      Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught.
      (Luke 1:1-4 ESV)

      Now after reading the genealogy where does it say that zero time passed between God and Adam. The question plus the one above remains unanswered.

      @Santa
      Universe about 13.8 billion Earth, not sure, I have no defined belief on the subject.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Mike from CT, There is very little historical evidence in the bible or even just the included gospels. It would take a huge post to list the inconsistencies, inaccuracies, omissions, and unprovable.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Colin

      @Mike from CT. So what? Adam was created when the Universe was formed, according to Genesis. The issue is the time gap between that event and now, which, according to the geneology cited, is a few thousand years. The gap between when you say your god came into exitence and the creation of Adam is irrelevant.

      April 29, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      "Adam was created when the Universe was formed, according to Genesis"
      This is not according to Genesis, the Bible does not speak of the time that passed between verse 1 and verse 2.

      April 30, 2013 at 8:20 am |
    • Mike from CT

      "Mike from CT, There is very little historical evidence in the bible or even just the included gospels"
      Bull, there is more historical evidence for the gospels then any other document in the Ancient world. Including Manuscript evidence, eye witness accounts and internal consistency. There are no contradictions, to date, that have been found in scripture. Yes a lot of people misread it and misuse it, like David Koresh, but the misinterpretation does not invalid the document.

      So your statement is untrue and is not backed up. Thanks for playing.

      April 30, 2013 at 8:27 am |
    • fintastic

      @mike...... "there are no contradictions, to date, that have been found in scripture.

      I get it.... if I find a contradiction, it's really my misinterpretation... how wonderfully convenient. Fact... there are hundreds of contradictions in the bible. It's common for the religiously deluded to use the excuse that you're taking the statement "out of context" or "misinterpretation"..... when in fact, there is no evidence to support the supposed miracles in the bible..

      ..... and since you asked.... here's your list..

      http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#contradictions

      April 30, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      Yes it is the ability to take text and literary style out of context. Let's take the first one on the list

      PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.

      JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

      The questioner has proven that he is capable of removing a text from its context, and attempting to set it against other texts removed from their context. He has by no means proven that God is inconsistent in His character, nor that the Bible contradicts itself.

      Both Jeremiah 13 and 1 Samuel 15 deal with situations where a group of people were due judgment upon them for disobedience or evil conduct. The other texts mentioned (James 5:11; 1 Chronicles 16:34; Psalm 145:9; 1 John 4;16) express the Lord's goodness upon those who are obedient to His will.

      The apostle Paul wrote, "Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off." (Romans 11:22) God's goodness is upon some, His severity upon others. Our conduct before Him is what determines which is upon us.

      There is no contradiction.

      You don't read poetry the same way you do history. An example is Poe's work The Raven. For you to take that literary do you really believe that Raven's can talk? nobody yells WHAT A FOOL THAT POE WAS.

      Continue to study the list thought, it will help in the end.

      May 1, 2013 at 8:40 am |
    • Mike from CT

      All of these have been addressed. Nothing new under the sun.

      This one always cracks me up

      Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt

      GEN 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

      First, there is no contradictory statement. Second go tell a marine that has crawled through the mud that he will never get any in his mouth.

      Read the text objectively and in context.

      May 1, 2013 at 8:44 am |
    • fintastic

      They have been addressed? do you mean by your personal interpretation? The bible is the great book of pick-n-choose... believers can basically interpret it to say anything they want... We need to read what was actually written, anything else is dishonest.

      EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

      ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

      That is a direct contradiction..... just one of very many.... ... Yes, I will continue to study the list as you suggested... it certainly has helped me to realize the the bible is not the word of god, simply a fictional book written by man to control man... ... zero evidence for god... The religiously deluded are very good at making excuses.....

      May 1, 2013 at 9:08 am |
    • fintastic

      The sins of the father
      Yea, I suppose these obvious contradictions are also take out of context?.

      ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

      DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

      May 1, 2013 at 9:14 am |
    • Mike from CT

      Any statement taken out of context can be misconstrued, and set at odds with another context liberated statement. Thus, consider the context of Exodus 15:3. After 400 years of captivity in the land of Egypt, the Lord delivered His people by His servant Moses. As the Israelite departed, the Egyptians pursued. All of God's people having safely passed through the Red Sea on dry ground, the Lord caused the waters of the sea to crash upon the Pharaoh's armies, destroying them. Thus, Moses and the children of Israel broke out in song, glorifying the God of their salvation. As they sang, they declared, "...The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name."

      In Romans 15:33, Paul speaks of "...the God of peace..." He is able to effectuate peace between men of different nations (Colossians 1:20-22; Romans 5:1). He has provided the means by which man can have peace with God (Ephesians 2:13-16). So great is His peace, that it "...surpasses all understanding..." (Philippians 4:7).

      Moses saw God as "...a man of war...", having been witness to the deliverance of God's people from the Egyptians. Paul proclaimed Him to be "...the God of peace...", mindful of the reconciliation which He bestows through Christ Jesus. Two entirely different perspectives of the Lord, but both 100 % correct.

      Again Remember just four chapters early "Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off." (Romans 11:22)

      There is no contradiction.

      Don't pick and choose from the bible but read it.

      May 1, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • Mike from CT

      In the context of Deuteronomy 24:16, God establishes a number of laws by which the people would be judged and kept. In verse 16, He acknowledges that an individual is personally responsible for what they do. If a man commits murder, his son is not to be put to death for the deed. Neither, if the son has committed adultery should the father be put to death. As is written, "...every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

      In Isaiah 14, we are not reading of a son being put to death for the sins of his father. Rather, as we look at the context, we understand this to be a prophecy concerning the coming destruction upon a nation. On account of the wicked leadership of their king, God pronounced destruction upon the Babylonian people. A look into history tells us that in approximately 540 B.C., Babylon was overthrown by the Medes. The city was eventually left in ruins.

      Now that your questions have been address are there any other issues you have with the historical testimony of Jesus? If so I hope I can continue to help, If not then accept the evidence that demands a verdict.

      May 1, 2013 at 10:35 am |
    • Science

      Unusual Anal Fin Offers New Insight Into Evolution

      Apr. 10, 2013 — An unusual fossil fish that has fins behind its anus

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130410082201.htm

      Brain games are fun Mike from CT

      May 1, 2013 at 10:44 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Mike
      You are putting a lot of weight on what the bible sasy, but you are taking the entire bible out of context.
      Its true context is, that is was made by men, and there is no reason to believe any of the stories in it are true, no reason to believe there are any gods...so using the context of the bible as true, throws out your entire argument.

      Try using the context of, a$$uming the bible is true (even though it has been disproven by many sciences.)

      May 1, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • Mike from CT

      @Richard Cranium

      If your criteria for truth is because "that is was made by men, and there is no reason to believe any" then that would also include your post. You can't exempt yourself from your own razor.
      Now do you not believe the const.itution?
      That Connecticut is called Connecticut because the name was made by man?
      That WW2, the twin towers never existed, or for that matter Persia?
      Is there no truth that we should know?

      The question you have to wrestle with is did the eye-witnesses and those who talked to the eye-witnesses record the testimony of Jesus accurately. If not present the evidence, if so then you have to make a determination as to why you choose not to believe accurate information.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      @Science

      Nobody understands your point because you didn't make one, however, if you are going to claim Christians claim evolution doesn't exist. Then you, as everyone before you, is presenting a false argument.

      The issue is not do species evolve. The issue is evolution does not const.itute an origin of species to where one species split off into different types of animals. Even in the article you post (and I would like to know how you got a link through the filter) the fist is still a fish.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:18 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      @Richard Cranium

      Would you like to attempt to explain " (even though it has been disproven by many sciences.)"?

      You should take a look at the video above of Dr. Lennox

      May 1, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Mike

      Don't try to argue against science. You show with each post that you have absolutely no understanding of it.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • Science

      That good ..................make sure to read comments Ok................then comment ?

      Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

      April 30, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/29/new-film-examines-science-vs-religion/comment-page-5/#comments

      May 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
    • Science

      Oops thst is

      Paece

      May 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      hawaiiguest, When do I argue against science. Now let's take a moment to define the job of science so we are on the same page

      Science works by experiments. It watches how things behave. Every scientific statement in the long run, however complicated it looks, really means something like, "I pointed the telescope to such and such a part of the sky at 2:20 A.M. on January 15th and saw so-and-so," or, "I put some of this stuff in a pot and heated it to such-and-such a temperature and it did so-and-so." Do not think I am saying anything against science: I am only saying what its job is. And the more scientific a man is, the more (I believe) he would agree with me that this is the job of science- and a very useful and necessary job it is too. But why anything comes to be there at all, and whether there is anything behind the things science observes-something of a different kind-this is not a scientific question. If there is "Something Behind," then either it will have to remain altogether unknown to men or else make itself known in some different way. The statement that there is any such thing, and the statement that there is no such thing, are neither of them statements that science can make. And real scientists do not usually make them. It is usually the journalists and popular novelists who have picked up a few odds and ends of half-baked science from textbooks who go in for them.

      - Mere Christianity

      So, way to add nothing to the conversation and contributing to the deflection

      ACCURACY OF HISTORY
      it is very accurate
      THE BIBLE HAS CONTRADICTIONS-
      no it doesn't
      SCIENCE!!!!
      what about it
      YOU ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS SO YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT.

      Try to stay on topic next time, or warn people you are out to waste their time.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
    • Science

      The End

      You asked for it kenhbradshaw Have a good read !

      Where do morals come from?

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

      Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
      Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/pope-praises-science-but-insists-god-created-world/

      Science

      Heaven is 'a fairy story,' scientist Stephen Hawking says updated Tue May 17, 2011
      By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor The concept of heaven or any kind of afterlife is a "fairy story," famed British scientist Stephen Hawking said in a newspaper interview this week. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when...

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/heaven-is-a-fairy-story-scientist-stephen-hawking-says/

      April 7th, 2012

      08:32 PM ET

      The Jesus debate: Man vs. myth

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/comment-page-137/#comment-2281915

      Make sure to read comments

      April 18, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |

      Breaking News

      NASA: Three planets found are some of best candidates so far for habitable worlds outside our solar system.

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/18/us/planet-discovery/index.html

      May 1, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • Science

      Dera Mike

      Holy Hallucinations 35

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XTCRdC8Dlo&w=640&h=360]

      Have a great life

      May 1, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • Mike from CT

      your link to "Where do morals come from" goes no where

      Re:Stephen Hawking: In his last book he was pressure to put in the statement "The universe doesn't require a God" from his publisher to push books.

      This statement is a reversal from his previous book which ends: "If we do discover a theory of everything...it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason—for then we would truly know the mind of God."

      Jesus Man or Myth: again the comment points to Kelly Murray (who ever that is) but goes no where

      But regarding Hawking's latest book, you may want to listen to what John Lennox,Professor of Mathematics at the University of Oxford, has to say

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dfO1S4whU4&w=640&h=360]

      So I found the Kelly Murray article, the only thing that came from it is "suggestive of a sense of morality." Hardly a scientific statement. But we know this not to be the case, because when the antelope run from the lion nobody tries to stand up for the weak and disabled one, unlike human behavior.

      Yet again you avoid looking at the historical evidence of Jesus Christ and coming to a verdict, which it demands.

      Good luck in your search.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • Sam

      @Mike from CT
      because when the antelope run from the lion nobody tries to stand up for the weak and disabled one, unlike human behavior.

      There have been documented cases of animals protecting their young, or injured. Conversely, the number of humans that rush in to help, when death is an almost certainty, is marginal at best (just like your argument)

      May 2, 2013 at 8:34 am |
    • Science

      Chomp Chomp..................in spanish ..............Mike education for adults !

      (EA) FÓSILES, FOSILIZACIÓN Y PALEONTOLOGÍA.

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw1cRg9oKTc&w=640&h=360]

      May 2, 2013 at 8:44 am |
    • Science

      Chomp Chomp Chomp..............Mike

      Prehistoric shark captured on film

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mneDhOtVEQw&w=640&h=360]

      May 2, 2013 at 8:46 am |
    • Science

      BY the way Mike...................Splat goes a fairt in the sky !

      Einstein's Gravity Theory Passes Toughest Test Yet

      Apr. 25, 2013 — A strange stellar pair nearly 7,000 light-years from Earth has provided physicists with a unique cosmic laboratory for studying the nature of gravity. The extremely strong gravity of a massive neutron star in orbit with a companion white dwarf star puts competing theories of gravity to a test more stringent than any available before

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm

      May 2, 2013 at 8:52 am |
    • Science

      Oops god damn thumb..............fairy !

      May 2, 2013 at 8:54 am |
    • Mike from CT

      You keep missing the point that you continually drive home so well.

      Order and Design point to a designer. Such as " nature of gravity"

      But again you avoid the question. Why have you discounting the highly reliable historical narrative of the Gospels. Read them as history and come to a verdict of is Jesus reliable.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:42 am |
  16. palintwit

    If Hitler were alive today he would appoint Sarah Palin his Minister of Propaganda.

    April 29, 2013 at 11:41 am |
  17. Robert Canner

    "Science and Religion are one." ~ Baha'i Faith

    April 29, 2013 at 11:36 am |
  18. Topher

    So is this movie going to show both sides of the argument like the t.itle makes it sound? Or should I simply watch to hear those soothing tones of The Dawkins?

    April 29, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • William Demuth

      There is only one reality

      Either one embraces it, or they don't

      April 29, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • mzh

      I would just watch it to learn something but that does not necessarily has to change my faith... watch as you watch any SiFi movie...

      With the respect to Science... it will always contradict with Religion... for example, science says human came from aps where religion teaches and also makes perfect sense if one use the brain that human created from Adam then Eve from Adam and from them (Adam and Eve) rest of the mankind with the mix of sperm and ovam...

      O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women. and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you. – Chapter 4: Verse 1

      Quran talks so details about the creation of human and even the different stages in side the womb of a mother... i did not find any other books talks that details...

      Peace!!!

      April 29, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • sam stone

      both sides of the argument?

      science versus fantasy?

      April 29, 2013 at 11:24 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "religion teaches and also makes perfect sense if one use the brain that human created from Adam then Eve from Adam and from them (Adam and Eve) rest of the mankind with the mix of sperm and ovam..."

      That alone is would indicate incest. Your lack of comprehension of how evolution works does not make Adam and Eve real. Like it or not you share 96% of your DNA with Chimps.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • derp

      we also share 70% of our DNA with slugs, 55% with banana trees. just because 96% is more, does not mean we came from apes, sorry.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • Topher

      Truth Prevails 🙂

      "That alone is would indicate incest."

      So what? Adam and Eve (and thus their children) would not have gene issues the way we do today.

      "Your lack of comprehension of how evolution works does not make Adam and Eve real. Like it or not you share 96% of your DNA with Chimps."

      And isn't it like 98 percent with pigs? Face it, all mammals' numbers are really high with us. And I never hear anyone saying we've evolved from pigs.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      No it doesn't mean that at all, it does however mean that we share a common ancestor.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:43 am |
    • Science

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life..................you are really stuck in the soup topher !

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

      No angels the pope kicked them off the team last year !

      April 29, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      OK Topher, then what about the 8 people who stepped off of the Ark? Silly anti-science religious folk.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      No Topher, incest is incest regardless of how you look at it...even today not all situations of incest result in a problems, not to mention the fact that there is no evidence supporting Adam and Eve but there is plenty to support Evolution. I get the fact that you refuse to look past the book for for the answers but your lack of comprehension doesn't negate the evidence and support for Evolution.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Topher

      Truth Prevails 🙂

      "No it doesn't mean that at all, it does however mean that we share a common ancestor."

      Now THIS I agree with. We all descend from Noah and Adam.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • In Santa we trust

      Topher, the difference is that there is evidence for evolution and no evidence for any of the biblical stories about creation; more importantly for you is that "original sin" goes out of the window and that undercuts everything – hence the denial.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Topher that first reply was not directed at you, the second one was. There is no evidence outside of the bible to support that Noah or Adam even existed.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      When we say common ancestor we mean a population of more primitive apelike hom onins.

      Unlike you we have evidence to support that claim.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • Topher

      Science

      From the article you posted ... let me highlight some things ...

      "Where did life originate?

      "A hydrothermal vent at the bottom of the ocean

      Scientists are EXPLORING several POSSIBLE locations for the origin of life, including tide pools and hot springs. However, recently some scientists have narrowed in on the HYPOTHESIS that life originated near a deep sea hydrothermal vent. The chemicals found in these vents and the energy they provide COULD have fueled many of the chemical reactions necessary for the evolution of life. Furthermore, using the DNA sequences of modern organisms, biologists have TENTATIVELY traced the most recent common ancestor of all life to an aquatic microorganism that lived in extremely high temperatures — a LIKELY candidate for a hydrothermal vent inhabitant! Although several lines of evidence are consistent with the HYPOTHESIS that life began near deep sea vents, it is FAR from certain: the investigation continues and MAY eventually point towards a different site for the origin of life.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • Topher

      Honey Badger Don't Care!
      "OK Topher, then what about the 8 people who stepped off of the Ark? Silly anti-science religious folk."

      What about them? I'm not anti-science at all ... unless it's historical science.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • Science

      Sorry everybody topher asked for IT !

      Where do morals come from?

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

      Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
      Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/pope-praises-science-but-insists-god-created-world/

      Science

      Heaven is 'a fairy story,' scientist Stephen Hawking says updated Tue May 17, 2011
      By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor The concept of heaven or any kind of afterlife is a "fairy story," famed British scientist Stephen Hawking said in a newspaper interview this week. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when...

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/heaven-is-a-fairy-story-scientist-stephen-hawking-says/

      Science

      It would be nice......... but
      Maybe they should not have created the wedge !!!
      The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Insti-tute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Insti-tute manifesto known as the Wedge Docu-ment,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic
      convictions.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

      Peace

      February 10, 2013 at 11:03 am | Report abuse

      And you have seen others topher !

      April 29, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Are you saying that everyone came from those 8 people? If so that was incest at some point and there is not enough genetic diversity in 8 people to propagate the species.

      Wrong on two counts huh?

      April 29, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Topher, Origins of life is different from origins of species. Several viable possibilities for life are being investigated but we come back to the same point each time – the fact that we are not 100% certain does not mean a god did it.

      April 29, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • meifumado

      It's 98% not 96% and an ape is not a chimp.

      April 29, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • Science

      Now is the quetion ................ topher can you read the font in front of you ?

      April 29, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • meifumado

      @ mzh

      Try picking up a book on reproductive science, You will learn more that way.
      Following the guidance of an illiterate pedophile warlord from fourteen hundred years ago is not a wise thing to do.

      April 29, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Paul

      Topher you can't claim to love science and then ignore any science that doesn't fit with a literal interpretation of the bible, as doing so makes you anti science.

      April 29, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • Topher

      Honey Badger Dont Care

      "Are you saying that everyone came from those 8 people?"

      Yes.

      "If so that was incest at some point and there is not enough genetic diversity in 8 people to propagate the species."

      No incest here. Noah's sons had wives with them, not their sisters. So yes, there's plenty to propogate the species.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Paul

      Topher what about the next generations did they have s.ex with their parents, or their cousins?

      April 29, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • WASP

      @CHRIS-topher: "Now THIS I agree with. We all descend from Noah and Adam."

      FACT: you require more than TWO humans to make a viable gene pool; don't give me that "they were perfect BS, because truly you can't say they were perfect because they were cast out of eden. they were no longer perfect. they could have had, now saying eve was of birthing age.......hmmm 15 seeing that was a "woman" during early history thus adam a year older 16 at one child per year due to the 9 month gestation and a shutoff age of 50 then adam and eve could have only had 35 children.
      noting that as a female ages birthing becomes increasingly dangerous and no mid-wives or doctors to aid in tubligation or umbilical cord getting wrapped around the infants neck and lack of feeding milk with age produced i can truly tell you all of the "genesis" myth is just that A MYTH.
      unfounded, archaic, supersti.tious, mythology simply create to explain "how we got here" and make us feel superior to other animals.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • Topher

      Cousins. Not only is that not incest, it goes on quite a bit today.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
    • Paul

      Sorry in this case they are first cousins, and that makes it incest.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Topher

      WASP

      "FACT: you require more than TWO humans to make a viable gene pool; don't give me that "they were perfect BS, because truly you can't say they were perfect because they were cast out of eden."

      No, they weren't perfect. But genes weren't corrupted like they are today. They were as pure as you can get. And even if that weren't the case, have you ever had pet mice or rabbits? It only takes two.

      " they could have had, now saying eve was of birthing age.......hmmm 15 seeing that was a "woman" during early history thus adam a year older 16 at one child per year due to the 9 month gestation and a shutoff age of 50 then adam and eve could have only had 35 children."

      Except they lived a LOT longer than 50.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
    • Colin

      Sorry to but in Topher, but there are some annoying facts here you might like to consider.

      First and most obviously is the fossil record. The fossil record is much, much more than just dinosaurs. Indeed, dinosaurs only get the press because of their size, but they make up less than 1% of the entire fossil record. Life had been evolving on Earth for over 3 thousand million years before dinosaurs evolved and has gone on evolving for 65 million years after the Chicxulub meteor likely wiped them out.

      The fossil record includes the Stromatolites, colonies of prokaryotic bacteria, that range in age going back to about 3 billion years, the Ediacara fossils from South Australia, widely regarded as among the earliest multi-celled organisms, the Cambrian species of the Burgess shale in Canada (circa – 450 million years ago) the giant scorpions of the Silurian Period, the giant, wingless insects of the Devonian period, the insects, amphibians, reptiles, fishes, clams, crustaceans of the Carboniferous Period, the many precursors to the dinosaurs, the 700 odd known species of dinosaurs themselves, the subsequent dominant mammals, including the saber tooth tiger, the mammoths and hairy rhinoceros of North America and Asia, the fossils of early man in Africa and the Neanderthals of Europe.

      The fossil record shows a consistent and worldwide evolution of life on Earth dating back to about 3,500,000,000 years ago. There are literally millions of fossils that have been recovered, of thousands of different species and they are all located where they would be in the geological record if life evolved slowly over billions of years. None of them can be explained by a 6,000 year old Earth and Noah’s flood. Were they all on the ark? What happened to them when it docked?

      A Tyrannosaurus Rex ate a lot of food – meat- which means its food would itself have to have been fed, like the food of every other carnivore on the ark for the entire 360 odd days Noah supposedly spent on the ark. T-Rex was not even the largest carnivorous dinosaur we know of. Spinosaurus, Argentinosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus were all larger and ate more even meat. Even they were not large enough to bring down the largest sauropods we know of, many species of which weighed in at close to 100 tons and were about 100 feet long. A bit of “back of the envelope” math quickly shows that “Noah’s Ark” would actually have to have been an armada of ships larger than the D-Day invasion force, manned by thousands and thousands of people – and this is without including the World’s 300,000 current species of plants, none of which could walk merrily in twos onto the ark.

      Then, of course, there are the various races of human beings. There were no Sub-Saharan Africans, Chinese, Australian Aboriginals, blonde haired Scandinavians, Pygmies or Eskimos on the Ark. Where did they come from?

      Second, there are those little things we call oil, natural gas and other fossil fuels. Their mere existence is another independent and fatal blow to the creationists. Speak to any geologist who works for Exxon Mobil, Shell or any of the thousands of mining, oil or natural gas related companies that make a living finding fossil fuels. They will tell you these fossil fuels take millions of years to develop from the remains of large, often Carboniferous Period forests, in the case of coal, or tiny marine creatures in the case of oil. For the fossils to develop into oil or coal takes tens or hundreds of millions of years of “slow baking” under optimum geological conditions. That’s why they are called “fossil fuels.” Have a close look at coal, you can often see the fossilized leaves in it. The geologists know exactly what rocks to look for fossil fuels in, because they know how to date the rocks to tens or hundreds of millions of years ago. Creationists have no credible explanation for this.

      Third, most of astronomy and cosmology would be wrong if the creationists were right. In short, as Einstein showed, light travels at a set speed. Space is so large that light from distant stars takes many years to reach the Earth. In some cases, this is millions or billions of years. The fact that we can see light from such far away stars means it began its journey billions of years ago. The Universe must be billions of years old. We can currently see galaxies whose light left home 13, 700,000,000 years ago. Indeed, on a clear night, one can see the collective, misty light of many stars more than 6,000 light years away with the naked eye, shining down like tiny accusatorial witnesses against the nonsense of creationism.

      Fourth, we have not just carbon dating, but also all other methods used by scientists to date wood, rocks, fossils, and other artifacts. These comprehensively disprove the Bible’s claims. They include uranium-lead dating, potassium-argon dating as well as other non-radioactive methods such as pollen dating, dendrochronology and ice core dating. In order for any particular rock, fossil or other artifact to be aged, generally two or more samples are dated independently by two or more laboratories in order to ensure an accurate result. If results were random, as creationists claim, the two independent results would rarely agree. They generally do. They regularly reveal ages much older than Genesis. Indeed, the Earth is about 750,000 times older than the Bible claims, the Universe about three times the age of the Earth.

      Fifth, the relatively new field of DNA mapping not only convicts criminals, it shows in undeniable, full detail how we differ from other life forms on the planet. For example, about 98.4% of human DNA is identical to that of chimpanzees, about 97% of human DNA is identical to that of gorillas, and slightly less again of human DNA is identical to the DNA of monkeys. This gradual divergence in DNA can only be rationally explained by the two species diverging from a common ancestor, and coincides perfectly with the fossil record. Indeed, scientists can use the percentage of DNA that two animal share (such as humans and bears, or domestic dogs and wolves) to get an idea of how long ago the last common ancestor of both species lived. It perfectly corroborates the fossil record and is completely independently developed.

      Sixth, the entire field of historical linguistics would have to be rewritten to accommodate the Bible. This discipline studies how languages develop and diverge over time. For example, Spanish and Italian are very similar and have a recent common “ancestor” language, Latin, as most people know. However, Russian is quite different and therefore either did not share a common root, or branched off much earlier in time. No respected linguist anywhere in the World traces languages back to the Tower of Babel, the creationists’ simplistic and patently absurd explanation for different languages. Indeed, American Indians, Australian Aboriginals, “true” Indians, Chinese, Mongols, Ja.panese, Sub-Saharan Africans and the Celts and other tribes of ancient Europe were speaking thousands of different languages thousands of years before the date creationist say the Tower of Babel occurred – and even well before the date they claim for the Garden of Eden.

      Seventh, lactose intolerance is also a clear vestige of human evolution. Most mammals only consume milk as infants. After infancy, they no longer produce the enzyme “lactase” that digests the lactose in milk and so become lactose intolerant. Humans are an exception and can drink milk as adults – but not all humans – some humans remain lactose intolerant. So which humans are no longer lactose intolerant? The answer is those who evolved over the past few thousand years raising cows. They evolved slightly to keep producing lactase as adults so as to allow the consumption of milk as adults. This includes most Europeans and some Africans, notably the Tutsi of Rwanda. On the other hand, most Chinese, native Americans and Aboriginal Australians, whose ancestors did not raise cattle, remain lactose intolerant.

      I could go on and elaborate on a number of other disciplines or facts that creationists have to pretend into oblivion to retain their faith, including the Ice Ages, cavemen and early hominids, much of microbiology, paleontology and archeology, continental drift and plate tectonics. Even large parts of medical research would be rendered unusable but for the fact that monkeys and mice share a common ancestor with us and therefore our fundamental cell biology and basic body architecture is identical to theirs.

      In short, and not surprisingly, the World’s most gifted evolutionary biologists, astronomers, cosmologists, geologists, archeologists, paleontologists, historians, modern medical researchers and linguists (and about 2,000 years of accu.mulated knowledge) are right and a handful of Iron Age Middle Eastern goat herders copying then extant mythology were wrong. Creationists aren’t just trying to swim upstream against the weight of scientific evidence; they are trying to ascend a waterfall.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
    • Science

      Topher.......... the wrong path is Adam and Eve !

      Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought

      Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm

      No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US

      Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.

      No god(s) needed................... Old. DNA works..................also catches crooks !

      Ancient DNA Reveals Europe's Dynamic Genetic History

      Apr. 23, 2013 — Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7,500 years old has been used to reconstruct the first detailed genetic history of modern Europe.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130423134037.htm

      April 29, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      incest: Sexual relations between persons who, because of the nature of their kinship ties, are prohibited by law or custom from intermarrying. The incest taboo is generally universal, although it is imposed differently in different societies. Usually, the closer the genetic relationship between two people, the stronger and more highly charged is the taboo prohibiting or discouraging sexual relations. Some sociobiologists consider that inbred populations have diminished reproductive success and become gene pools for hereditary disorders. Some cultural anthropologists argue instead that the incest prohibition, with the corresponding rules of exogamy, acts to require males to seek sexual and marital partners outside the group, thereby establishing useful alliances. Other theories emphasize the need to control sexual jealousies within the family or to prepare children to function with restraint in adult society. No single explanation seems satisfactory, causing some to question whether incest should be treated as a unitary subject. Most cases of incest that come before criminal courts concern sexual intercourse between fathers and relatively young daughters.

      April 29, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
    • Topher

      Paul

      "Sorry in this case they are first cousins, and that makes it incest."

      Granted I wouldn't be interested in my cousins either. But in what jurisdiction, besides our own minds, is this illegal?

      April 29, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • Brian

      Topher:
      Obviously you don't understand science. Science isn't absolute truth. It's the quest to find the truth. The beauty about science is that it's always changing! As more evidence comes to light, our theories will change accordingly. If we just went "well we don't understand that, must be god!" we would have never gotten anywhere. Remember electricity (read: lightning) used to be thought of as god's wrath. And then we discovered what it was, harnessed it, and now our very society runs off of it.

      "So what? Adam and Eve (and thus their children) would not have gene issues the way we do today. "

      Um what? Assuming Adam and Eve were suppose to be the first humans (and humans are mammals), there would not be enough genetic diversity to prevent incest. Thus, their offspring would have most likely come out with all kinds of birth defects... You seem to hate science, yet whenever someone pokes a flaw in your beliefs, you religious people always comes back with: A: "God works in mysterious ways", B: "It's God, who are we to judge," C: "It doesn't work the same" while providing absolutely NO EVIDENCE to back up their statements. As if "the bible says" is a good enough reason for rational people.

      "And isn't it like 98 percent with pigs? Face it, all mammals' numbers are really high with us. And I never hear anyone saying we've evolved from pigs."
      You don't understand what evolution is. And your statements show it. We share a common ancestor with pigs. We share a common ancestor with almost every creature on earth. The amount of genetic variation, however, and the rate at which the DNA of each species mutates all points back to a time where we share a common ancestor.
      Our most recent common ancestor between chimps and humans is around 6-8 million years ago. This is based on the amount of genetic variation and the rate of genetic change associate with each species. Think of it as a genetic clock. We can spin that clock backwards and reach a point in time where both species shared a common ancestor.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • WASP

      @CHRIS-topher: "Granted I wouldn't be interested in my cousins either. But in what jurisdiction, besides our own minds, is this illegal?"

      it is genetically illegal. nature doesn't permit it otherwise there wouldn't be genetic mutations and disabilities if it didn't violate laws of nature. with humans that their alleles are too closely aligned to make a genetically viaible offspring.

      EFFECTS OF INBREEDING:
      In the study it was seen that inbreeding did not have an adverse effect on the fertility of the marriages, but there were some significant increases seen on childhood mortality in the first year of life. Inbreeding also increased morbidity in the study. There were significant increases in levels of handicapped offspring associated with inbreeding. Inbreeding was associated with a 37.5% increase in offspring with one or two major handicaps, while it also caused a 24.1% increase in offspring with one or two minor defects. Moreover, inbreeding caused an increase of 31.7% in hearing impairments. Development also seemed to be affected by inbreeding. Children of consanguineous marriages were significantly older than the control group when they first walked and talked.

      April 29, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
    • Science

      Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.

      Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.

      http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm

      April 29, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
    • Pete

      Topher, not only did Adam and Eve not life to be 900 years old, they never existed in the first place.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • JMEF

      Topher
      Really? Describe Noah's family for me please. I tend to think it must have been composed of 4 males and 4 females, with one couple being Caucasian, one couple being Asian, one couple being African, and the other being Aboriginal, yes. How else could you explain the diversity of the earths population, try you genius you?

      April 29, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • Topher

      Brian

      Sorry if this gets long ...

      "Obviously you don't understand science."

      Maybe. Maybe not.

      "Science isn't absolute truth. It's the quest to find the truth. The beauty about science is that it's always changing! As more evidence comes to light, our theories will change accordingly."

      I agree it isn't absolute truth and that it's always changing. My problem is when atheists come here and proclaim it is absolute truth when they know very well that if you just wait a minute it will change like the weather. And if it never gives you absolute truth it can't by definition rule out the beliefs of religion ... plus, if it never gives you absolute truth, why trust it? Granted science does a lot of good in things like medicine, but in the historical sciences, it doesn't do us any good. It will never give us a difinitive answer on origins or early life or things like that. All it can give is theories which will never be able to be proven.

      "If we just went "well we don't understand that, must be god!" we would have never gotten anywhere. Remember electricity (read: lightning) used to be thought of as god's wrath. And then we discovered what it was, harnessed it, and now our very society runs off of it."

      I agree the "god of the gaps" stance is a bad one. But that's really not the Biblical Christianity stance. Granted we now know how lightning works and how to harbor it, that doesn't mean it doesn't come from God. He controls the weather.

      "Um what? Assuming Adam and Eve were suppose to be the first humans (and humans are mammals), there would not be enough genetic diversity to prevent incest. Thus, their offspring would have most likely come out with all kinds of birth defects..."

      Today that's certainly the case ... mostly. Birth defects aren't a certainty even now. But look how many generations there have been of intermingling of genes. In the beginning there wouldn't have been.

      "You seem to hate science, " ...

      Not at all ...

      "yet whenever someone pokes a flaw in your beliefs, you religious people always comes back with: A: "God works in mysterious ways", B: "It's God, who are we to judge," C: "It doesn't work the same" while providing absolutely NO EVIDENCE to back up their statements. As if "the bible says" is a good enough reason for rational people."

      I've never said A or B to you or anyone else. C is a logical fallacy. You are claiming that there are NO rational believers. And if the Bible, given by a perfect being, says so, I believe it over corrupt man. That's when my stance on science gets lowered. Man thinks MAYBE it knows how things began. God was there and did it and thus KNOWS how it all worked.

      "You don't understand what evolution is. And your statements show it."

      I understand it to be nothing more than a belief system with no evidence.

      "We share a common ancestor with pigs"

      See? Here's my problem. You say we come from pigs. Someone else said we came from apes. I've even been told on this very message board that we came from rocks, from the primordial ooze, from exploded stars, from a singularity, from another universe ... none of you can agree. You can't know in your worldview. Why trust any of it?

      "Our most recent common ancestor between chimps and humans is around 6-8 million years ago."

      Where did you get those numbers? Or more pointedly, where did your source get those numbers?

      April 29, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Billy

      I don't think it'll take a movie to make this idea that Noah's ark just dropped the giant turtles off at Gibraltar any more ridiculous. I mean Topher said the ark didn't have to travel very far. Those poor turtles would have drowned only a few miles into the Atlantic trying to get back to the Galapagos.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Wow. Topher really doesn't understand science and evolution. Nor does it seem like he wants to understand it.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • Brian

      Topher:
      I'm not going address the previous stuff so as to avoid this being too long. I'll address the evolution part
      "You don't understand what evolution is. And your statements show it."

      I understand it to be nothing more than a belief system with no evidence.

      ** See below **

      "We share a common ancestor with pigs"

      See? Here's my problem. You say we come from pigs. Someone else said we came from apes. I've even been told on this very message board that we came from rocks, from the primordial ooze, from exploded stars, from a singularity, from another universe ... none of you can agree. You can't know in your worldview. Why trust any of it?

      And here you just proved you don't understand evolution at all. We didn't "come from" pigs. Just as we didn't "come from" monkeys. We share a COMMON ANCESTOR with pigs and monkeys. It just so happens that we share a more recent common ancestor with the apes than with pigs. We know this by tracing our genetic lineages back over the millions of years. Every species has a rate at which DNA mutations occur in their DNA. If you trace this back, you come to a point where the two species DNA converges. This is the point at which we last shared a common ancestor. We share a common ancestor with everything on the planet, but how recently is the question. Yes, we shared a common ancestor with a banana tree. But that would have be most likely over a billion years ago. I don't have a number on this, as I don't know it. It doesn't mean we "come from a banana". It just means that at some point over a billion years ago, our two species diverged down different pasts. I think those arguing evolution don't understand what a billion or even a million years is. It's a VERY long time. Think about it like this. In the span of the last million years, we've had a couple ice ages (technically we are still in one). Africa has gone from tropical, to grass land, to desert and back again many times. Right now, the leading model for evolution isn't just natural selection, it's climate change. We (humans) adapted to fit the changing climate.

      "Our most recent common ancestor between chimps and humans is around 6-8 million years ago."

      Where did you get those numbers? Or more pointedly, where did your source get those numbers?

      My numbers came from PBS, which in turn came from reputable archaeologists and other scientists.

      April 29, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
  19. Announcing a new religion

    A new religion birthed!

    Scietikraussidawkiology!!!

    April 29, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • BU2B

      Unlike religion, science is based on evidence. Nice try, though.

      April 29, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • Topher

      I refuse to believe in Scietikraussidawkiology!!! I mean ... Flying Spaghetti Monster!

      April 29, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • Topher

      Also, this religion 'ain't got no pancake mix!'

      April 29, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • sam stone

      believe what you want, topher. but, if you expect to convince others, you really need to step up, because what you have bathered so far is weak

      April 29, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • Science

      Hey topher................... what's down topher..............the devil ?

      April 29, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • Topher

      Besides, if The Dawkins is so powerful, he could have done something more than write all those books. I mean, why did he make it so difficult to believe in him?

      April 29, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • Topher

      If there is a Dawkins, why hasn't he shown himself to me?

      April 29, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Science

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life..................you are really stuck in the soup ! Billie go learn something !

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

      No angels the pope kicked them off the team last year !

      Facts work when teaching children topher !

      April 29, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • sam stone

      Dawkins is just a man. Perhaps he doesn't have the power to extract your head from your rectum

      April 29, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Rectum? Damn near kiIIed him. LOL

      April 29, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Topher: Just because you're too lazy to research this brilliant man, his website is http://www.richarddawkins.net. Far more real than your god!

      April 29, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • Doobs

      "Besides, if The Dawkins is so powerful, he could have done something more than write all those books."

      At least he wrote his books himself, unlike your god.

      April 29, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • Topher

      Of course there are those who claim to have had experiences with The Dawkins, but you can't believe them. They're just spreading fairy tales. Besides, they only believe because they were indoctrinated by their parents and PBS!

      April 29, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • sam stone

      Still cowering before the savior, Gopher?

      April 29, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • Doobs

      Gopher sounds like he ate some bad tuna fish or something.

      April 29, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • Science

      Topher

      Unusual Anal Fin Offers New Insight Into Evolution

      Apr. 10, 2013 — An unusual fossil fish that has fins behind its anus

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130410082201.htm

      Brain games are fun topher !

      May 1, 2013 at 10:46 am |
  20. William Demuth

    We are erdoing the power of God!

    (Just like we non believers did with the 3000 odd Gods who came befor this seasons cast of wanna be dieties)

    God busting is an honored calling!

    April 29, 2013 at 10:53 am |
    • fintastic

      Who ya gonna call?... god busters! sing it with me!

      ...someone spreading crap... in your neighborhood...... who you gonna call..... god busters!

      April 30, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
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