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April 29th, 2013
10:51 AM ET

New film examines science vs. religion

(CNN) – Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins discuss religion in the modern world and debate science in their new film.

- Dan Merica

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  1. Seewoo

    Before I get pounced on by an unforgiving grammar Nazi, I meant "their" instead of "there".

    May 6, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Since you are apparently incapable of figuring out how to reply, nobody even knows what you're referring to.

      May 8, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
  2. Seewoo

    If atoms created themselves, then they are there own creators. How did they create themselves?

    May 6, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      How did god create himself?
      You have already a$$umed that matter suddenly came into existence at the time of the Big Bang, but we do not know that. The matter could have existed cross dimensionally, and may always have existed....we do not know.
      There is no evidence that goddidit.

      May 7, 2013 at 8:01 am |
  3. Seewoo

    If atoms weren't created, then they are self-existing. Why would atoms be self-existing?

    May 6, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
    • lolCAT2000

      Atoms only exist in the way human beings see the world.
      What's really there is really really hard to understand!

      But it's very questionable if "God" would really be in any way traceable by a human thinker – if the human ideas of "creation" and "intention" etc. can really apply.
      Evolution seems to indicate that much of what we experience and what we operate with has been handed to us by a process of gradual optimization.
      But of course we are not without responsibility.
      And that's what's so strange: How can the atoms in our body all of a sudden become "responsible"?
      e.g. for getting "parking tickets"?
      Or for "global warming" etc.
      There is just no way responsibility could arise within a system following precise rules such as the evolution of "matter".

      May 6, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Seewoo

      Wow, thanks lolCAT2000! A reasonable answer for a change, instead of just name-calling!

      May 6, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
  4. Seewoo

    If having the power to make 500 billion galaxies, each with 100 to 200 billion stars, isn't omnipotence, then I don't know what is? Can YOU make 500 billion galaxies?

    May 6, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      What makes you think that some sentience made the galaxies. Another unjustifyable a$$umption.

      May 7, 2013 at 8:02 am |
  5. Seewoo

    Whatever is responsible for the atoms in my body is also responsible for the atoms in your body.

    May 6, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      You again are a$$uming there is some sentience that could have responsibility. There has been no evidence of said sentience.

      May 7, 2013 at 8:03 am |
  6. Seewoo

    Why would self-existing atoms evolve into life, of all things? How do they know they are supposed to do that?

    May 6, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      We do not know....an exciting research opportunity.

      May 7, 2013 at 8:04 am |
  7. Seewoo

    To me, the existence of matter proves that there is a Creator. Case closed. End of discussion.

    May 6, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      What created your creator?
      You have clearly jumped to an unjustified conclusion based on your own ignorance....you sound like a christian.

      May 6, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
    • Eric g

      Well good. That's settled.

      I would respond, but you have your eyes closed, fingers in your ears, yelling LALALALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING!!!!

      May 6, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
    • Eric g

      Ok, I know I'm going to hate myself in the morning..........

      How does the existence of matter prove your god exists?

      May 6, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
  8. Seewoo

    What would evidence of God look like? What form is it expected to take?

    May 6, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • Eric g

      "evidence of god"............ that is the problem.

      There is no evidence of god. There is only evidence. The idea that a god exists is a hypothesis. Your idea that there is "evidence of god" proves that you assume your conclusion is accurate and now look to find only evidence that supports it. Doing so only presents a biased position.

      Verifiable evidence is not biased. Verifiable, testable, repeatable evidence does not care what your conclusion or hypothesis is. You care what your hypothesis is, which makes your request biased and illogical.

      May 6, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      I would have no expectations, but if this god were truly omnipotent and omniscient, it would know what would be accepted.

      May 6, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
  9. Anna

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxk9TvyJrs&w=640&h=360]
    i

    May 6, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
  10. hitchblog22

    Thank you, Mary, for opening up my eyes to the true evils of atheism:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

    May 6, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      There are no "evils of atheism". What a joke.

      May 6, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
  11. Mary

    Calling someone an idiot, a moron, or a dunce does nothing to answer the argument, nor does it automatically raise your I.Q. by a hundred points, nor does it make you look smarter by comparison.

    May 6, 2013 at 10:00 am |
  12. Science

    Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

    The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

    The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

    Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

    The fact...............the earth is to old ...........time to EVOLVE !..................Creationists...........ID believers and christians !

    Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle

    Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm

    Maybe they should not have created the wedge !!!

    The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Insti-tute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Insti-tute manifesto known as the Wedge Docu-ment,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic
    convictions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

    Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.

    Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.

    http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm

    Education works for children

    May 6, 2013 at 8:08 am |
    • Science

      Hey Bill you have none all with the ICR, RCC and the Discovery Insti-tute.

      It is fun posting the truth Billy which is not the talking donkey and his snake.

      You know the devils chains on the other thread .

      June 14, 2013 at 10:20 am |
    • Science

      Oops along.........not all

      June 14, 2013 at 10:22 am |
  13. g2-8621476e47c1886404d6f649be8aeee9

    I see people keep mentioning the Noah myth. Hate to break it to you believers, but that Noah myth was "borrowed" in great part from the Epic of Gilgamesh, which predates the Biblical story. In fact, the Noah myth isn't even unique. There are flood myths found all over the place. Some of them local, some regional, some world-wide events. The one thing they all share in common: They all predate the Torah/Pentateuch and they all predate the Biblical Noah myth by centuries, and in some cases, over a millenia.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
  14. lolCAT2000

    Dawkins and Krauss

    If we destroy all religions and clear the mind of humanity from fairies and irrational beliefs,
    every man and woman will become an "Operating Thetan" in a new world society without war, crime and insanity.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:18 pm |
    • Paul

      Such a rose-tinted glasses utopian concept might have some credence in reality if man's nature were good. Pick up a newspaper on any given day and tell me what the stories indicate: a human nature that is basically good, or otherwise? And don't blame it on environmental influence (thus blaming the whipping-boy of religion ). The first thing parents have to teach their children is not to lie, a proclivity which is there by nature- not nuture.

      May 6, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • lolCAT2000

      @Paul
      I know – "Operating Thetan" and "A world without war, without crime and without insanity"
      are slogans/concepts of the "Church of Scientology" – one of the most aggressive and abusive totalitarian organizations active in the United States today.
      :/

      May 6, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
  15. lolCAT2000

    These two people are specialist in "Biology" and "Cosmology".
    Both of which are complete distraction when it comes to the problems we are facing every day, the lives we have to live moment to moment.

    Neither Dawkins nor Krauss have a good grasp on what religion means to people.
    It's like Starbucks Baristas making videos about sports journalism.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • Attack of the 50 Foot Magic Underwear

      No, it's like educated, learned people commenting on fairy tales that are 2000 years old

      May 5, 2013 at 10:35 pm |
    • lolCAT2000

      If you are a scientist, you basically know everything – it's built into scientific knowledge – there are no limits.
      🙂

      May 5, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
  16. lolCAT2000

    It could be an interesting film to watch if the authors (namely Dawkins) wouldn't already be so outspoken about their anti-religious, pro "New Atheist" agenda.
    I don't even want to know how many people walk into this movie not even knowing that they are going to attend a bias piece meant to convert them.
    CNN- why are you not more critical about this?

    May 5, 2013 at 8:51 pm |
  17. LAST DAY

    There is only one true Religion on this earth now

    which is supported by real and substantial –Mathematic and Scientific– EVIDENCE:

    http://www.holy-19-harvest.com
    UNIVERSAL MAGNIFICENT MIRACLES

    May 5, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
    • Science

      The END IS HERE !!!

      Free speech helps to educate the masses..............POLITICIANS TOO !

      Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

      The fact...............the earth is to old ...........time to EVOLVE !..................Creationists...........ID believers and christians !

      Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle

      Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm

      Maybe they should not have created the wedge !!!

      The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Insti-tute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Insti-tute manifesto known as the Wedge Docu-ment,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic
      convictions.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

      Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.

      Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.

      http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm

      Education works for children

      Where do morals come from?.............the answer is not the bible read and find out !

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/12/where-do-morals-come-from/#comments

      Gravity is not up for debate ! ............E = mc2..........(U–Pb).................two math formulas..........that do not lie or sin !!!...

      Peace.......

      May 6, 2013 at 8:39 am | Report abuse |

      May 6, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
  18. TC

    You can tell the article is crap to begin with since it states VERSUS. Funny how people try to do that. Most people who practice religion embrace science, it is only some extremist religions and atheists that feel a need to solely defend their narcissistic beliefs.

    May 5, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
    • lolCAT2000

      I agree!
      Why is it so hard for some people to distinguish between "fact" and "inspiration"?
      Of course the bible isn't scientifically accurate. So what!

      Of course you can't take most of it literal, we live in a different world, a different context.

      I can't believe all the things I'm reading form all these "reborn atheists"... it's a new cult and it seems to lack awareness because of its dogma that everything inside of it is just "reason and science".

      May 5, 2013 at 8:59 pm |
  19. Mary

    Atheists have committed great atrocities under state atheism. Extra, extra, read all about it:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

    May 5, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • hitchblog22

      you're a complete dunce if you think that atheism is the reason behind the atrocities of hitler, stalin, and pol pot: hitler was a pagan who supported christianity within his ranks, stalin was a seminary dropout who took advantage of a population that'd been inculcated to believe in a supreme leader, and pol pot attempted to nationalize his perverse views of buddhism.

      May 5, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • biggles

      Hog head, just how did st. Hitler support Christians?

      May 5, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
  20. Salero21

    Your very, very friendly reminder that atheism is stupidity in Full bloom will be awaiting "moderation". Really, really; do you really believe CNN can "moderate" anything?

    May 5, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • LinCA

      Jesus H. Fucking Christ. It is hardly our fault that you are too much of a dumbshit to figure it out.

      May 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      S21 is a lying troll...ignore it.

      May 5, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • Salero21

      @ empty Cranium,

      If you can't prove me a liar then I that will prove you a stupid atheist! 😉

      May 5, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Richard and everyone else here is smart enough to know when to capitalize words, fvckwit.

      May 5, 2013 at 8:17 pm |
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