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April 29th, 2013
10:51 AM ET

New film examines science vs. religion

(CNN) – Lawrence Krauss and Richard Dawkins discuss religion in the modern world and debate science in their new film.

- Dan Merica

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  1. Up for debate

    I always assumed religious texts were a figure of speech not litteral.

    May 2, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • Science

      Up for debate...........Texts = fairy in the and the devil's cult ?

      May 2, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • Science

      Oops.................sky

      May 2, 2013 at 11:39 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      The relgiious texts are meant to be taken literally, until they are disproven by science. Once that happens, the religious zealots will tell you that section isn't meant to be taken literally.
      That's how they keep the delusion going.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • fintastic

      Spot on Richard. We'll be seeing a lot more of "this means that"

      May 2, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
  2. Trance

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxk9TvyJrs&w=640&h=360]
    "

    May 2, 2013 at 9:01 am |
  3. what is this shi.t Austin

    College costs are on the rise–having increased at a rate that outpaces inflation for more than two decades, contributing to record levels of student debt. Nevertheless, Duke University saw fit to raise the cost of its program even more. This week Campus Reform reports that Duke has raised student fees in order to pay for s.ex change operations for any student who wants one.

    Administrators say they will cover the cost of the reassignment surgery up to $50,000 that will be covered with a cause a 0.3 percent increase to overall student fees.LGBT advocates on campus immediately celebrated the university’s decision.

    May 2, 2013 at 8:58 am |
    • Austin

      This is evil, what a spoiled brat freak society.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • Austin

      Duke university just became all out satanically evil. I will never sit in front of a t.v. and watch a duke game for the rest of my life, Duke, and the image of Duke is banished from my sight and life. Get out of my face.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • midwest rail

      Citation, please.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:06 am |
    • Austin

      citation .......Drudge Report

      May 2, 2013 at 9:09 am |
    • Austin has spoken!

      LOL. Be careful, Duke U! Soon Austin will be having a very special dream just for you!
      And next thing you know, all across America, when Duke games come on, everyone will
      be crrrushhingg their TV sets!
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t4pmlHRokg&w=640&h=360]

      May 2, 2013 at 9:13 am |
    • Austin

      lets jack our prices up so we can make a push for free s.ex change operations for older children who have just left the house and are for the fist time on their own.

      this is what college is about? I guess this is what our hip culture is doing now. impressive.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:27 am |
    • JWT

      Duke is the 38th college to cover this surgery with it's insurance.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:33 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      The Canadian Military also pays for gender reassignment surgery.
      Gender dysmorphia is not a diagnosis that is handed out lightly.
      Generally, those who suffer with the issue have been manifesting symptoms since early childhood.
      My father, a retired special forces LtCol, is friends with a transgender couple – one of whom was a soldier and the other a city police officer for decades.
      One of them is native and is celebrated as a "two spirited" shaman in her tribe, who consider such people gifted with a perspective not granted straight folk.

      But monetarily – 0.3% is negligible.
      The cost of attending Duke has increased by around 4.5% annually since 2000, mostly to fund what are essentially cosmetic changes to the grounds.
      As George Leef, director of research at the John William Pope Center for Higher Education Policy, puts it:
      “The more money you spend, on faculty, on library facilities, on a range of things, the more prestigious your insti.tution looks,” Leef said. “What we get is this arms race on spending on things that don’t have anything to do with educating students but make the inst.itution look more prestigious.... It’s not making undergraduate education any better, just more expensive.”

      The small amount of money being dedicated to covering gender reassignment surgery sholdn't be any more cause for concern than the other reasons given for much larger expenditures.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:42 am |
    • JWT

      It's not something that happens on a whim Austin, and takes years to get to that stage.

      You may not like it but then again it is none of your business.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:43 am |
    • Pete

      For starters believing a literal interpretation of the Noah story makes you look like a complete moron.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
  4. Up for debate

    Disclaimer this is just an idea, and I'm not up on the bible much. However I read the first few lines and it said "In the begining "God" created ..ect. and there was nothing but God. So given that we haven't exactly defined "God" wouldn't that mean that "God" was the sum total of all things?
    Furthermore it doesn't say how "God" created anything so why would that exclude the big bang/evolution and so on.

    Just a thought.

    May 2, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      What you're describing is pantheism which is heresy to the Abrahamics.
      If you've never read it, I highly recommend taking a gander at Heinlein's classic Sci-Fi novel, "Stranger In A Strange Land".
      The Man From Mars wrestles with human religions and our concepts of God throughout the book –

      "You told me, 'God made the World.'"
      "No, no!" Harshaw said hastily. "I told you that, while all these many religions said many things, most of them said, 'God made the World.' I told you that I did not grok the fullness, but that 'God' was the word that was used."
      "Yes, Jubal," Mike agreed. "Word is 'God'" He added. "You grok."
      "No, I must admit I don't grok."
      "You grok," Smith repeated firmly. "I am explain. I did not have the word. You grok. Anne groks. I grok. The grass under my feet groks in happy beauty. But I needed the word. The word is God."
      Jubal shook his head to clear it. "Go ahead."
      Mike pointed triumphantly at Jubal. "Thou art God!"
      Jubal slapped a hand to his face. "Oh, Jesus H. — What have I done? Look, Mike, take it easy! Simmer down! You didn't understand me. I'm sorry. I'm very sorry! Just forget what I've been saying and we'll start over again on another day. But — "
      "Thou art God," Mike repeated serenely. "That which groks. Anne is God. I am God. The happy grass are God, Jill groks in beauty always. Jill is God. All shaping and making and creating together — ." He croaked something in Martian and smiled.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:48 am |
    • Science

      Gravity is not up for debate !

      BY the way ...................Splat goes a fairy in the sky !

      Einstein's Gravity Theory Passes Toughest Test Yet

      Apr. 25, 2013 — A strange stellar pair nearly 7,000 light-years from Earth has provided physicists with a unique cosmic laboratory for studying the nature of gravity. The extremely strong gravity of a massive neutron star in orbit with a companion white dwarf star puts competing theories of gravity to a test more stringent than any available before

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm

      May 2, 2013 at 8:57 am |
    • Up for debate

      Hi Doc,
      How can a word be "God"? You mean like "Ohm"..like that sound idea? I'll read that book it sounds entertaining.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:36 am |
    • Science

      A good read..........with Prof. Higgs..........and morals .

      Where do morals come from?

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

      Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      May 2, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • Topher

      Up for Debate

      Neither the Big Bang nor evolution line up with scripture. There are MANY differences ... they're not even close.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • Science

      Nether are you topher !...........glad you can read ?

      Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      May 2, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      "Neither the Big Bang nor evolution line up with scripture. There are MANY differences ... they're not even close."

      If taken literally I think you are correct, however if taken metaphorically, it may be less troublesome.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • Topher

      ME II

      "If taken literally I think you are correct, however if taken metaphorically, it may be less troublesome."

      True. But that would be true of just about anything. If I don't take it literally, I can make it about anything I want to.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      Well since the bible is a work of fiction it doesn't really matter does it?

      May 2, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • Topher

      Honey Badger Don't Care!

      Sure. IF it's a work of fiction. If it's not, what could matter more?

      May 2, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,

      Agreed. Therein lies the problem.
      Taken literally it doesn't agree with what we see in the world, but taken metaphorically it can mean nearly anything (which is why people fight about it so often).

      May 2, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      "If" it is real then your god is a P0S and not worth worshiping.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • Topher

      ME II

      "Taken literally it doesn't agree with what we see in the world,..."

      I suppose that depends on what we're looking at. It doesn't disagree with everything. Science lines up with the Bible a lot more than the secularists would like you to think.

      "but taken metaphorically it can mean nearly anything (which is why people fight about it so often)."

      True. But I think if you're going to take it metaphorically you need to show why.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • Pete

      For starters believing in a literal interpretation of the Noah story makes you look like a complete moron.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • Topher

      Pete

      Why do you think so?

      May 2, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Pete

      Is there anything not in the bible that you believe is true despite the fact that all available evidence says it is not true? If not you should consider why you believe the Noah story is true.

      May 2, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      "True. But I think if you're going to take it metaphorically you need to show why."

      Do you mean other than, 'If taken literally, it's wrong."?
      Or, do you mean exegetically?

      May 2, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
  5. Douglas

    Science remains stumped by faith.

    A critical review of medical cases where cures and remission of disease,
    through the application of prayer, provides prima facie evidence of the power of prayer over science.
    Since science cannot explain the phenomena...science must conclude that faith exceeds the boundaries
    of what can be measured and interpreted through the application of the scientific method.

    God is still on the throne!

    May 2, 2013 at 2:20 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Unless you are missing a limb....never seen prayer fix that.

      May 2, 2013 at 2:23 am |
    • redzoa

      @Douglas – Perhaps you could provide a citation for the study that supports your claims? The one study I'm aware of found that prayer had no effect, and that it actually increased complications among those who knew they were being prayed for.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16569567

      May 2, 2013 at 2:40 am |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Douglas,
      "Since science cannot explain the phenomena...science must conclude that faith exceeds the boundaries
      of what can be measured and interpreted through the application of the scientific method."

      Nope. It just means that we haven't figured it out yet.

      Care to take a guess how long it took to figure out lightning?

      Even up into the 18th century folks were mystified by that 'phenomenon'.

      Benjamin Franklin was roundly castigated by Christians for his discoveries about lightning and the invention of his lightning rod.

      "As late as 1770 many religious Americans still felt that, since thunder and lightning were tokens of the divine displeasure, it was impiety to prevent their doing their full work. It took a few decades for the devout to abandon their religious prejudices regarding the use of the lightning rod, but eventually it was demonstrated to all but the most dense that both the "vengeance of God" and the "Prince of the Power of the Air" were forced to retreat before the lightning-rod of a heretic." – A. D. White, A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology & E.T.B.

      May 2, 2013 at 3:22 am |
    • Science

      Doogie.............thanks again...............for showing the world how fruity............fruitcakes of xmas past can be !

      Prehistoric Ghosts Revealing New Details: Synchrotron Helps Identify Previously Unseen Anatomy Preserved in Fossils

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/search/?

      Bible is nasty !

      Education for adults too Doogie

      May 2, 2013 at 7:06 am |
    • Science

      Doogie you could have been on the menu !

      Fish Was On the Menu for Early Flying Dinosaur Bye Bye doogie !

      Apr. 22, 2013 — University of Alberta-led research reveals that Microraptor, a small flying dinosaur was a complete hunter, able to swoop down and pickup fish as well as its previously known prey of birds and tree dwelling mammals.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130422154925.htm

      May 2, 2013 at 7:10 am |
    • Science

      Made it easdy for you Doogie...............do you have any ? Doogie is a TROLL !

      Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

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      May 2, 2013 at 7:21 am |
    • Science

      Oops..........easy...............Doogie a real fruitcake from xmas past maybe ?

      May 2, 2013 at 7:55 am |
    • Science

      Doogis is a tool.

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/28/when-religious-beliefs-becomes-evil-4-signs/#comments

      May 2, 2013 at 7:58 am |
    • Science

      With a WEDGIE !

      May 2, 2013 at 8:04 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Douglas
      Strangely, that runs counter to the finding of other studies.
      If you could kindly cite your source, I'd be very interested in reading the studies.

      o The John Templeton Foundation funded a 10 year, $2.4 million dollar study involving 1,800 cardiac patients to measure the effectiveness of intecessory prayer.
      The patients were broken into three groups. Two were prayed for; the third was not. Half the patients who received the prayers were told that they were being prayed for; half were told that they might or might not receive prayers.
      Analyzing complications in the 30 days after the operations, the researchers found no differences between those patients who were prayed for and those who were not.
      Over the longer term, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a higher rate of post-operative complications like abnormal heart rhythms, perhaps because of the expectations the prayers created, the researchers suggested.
      A 1997 study at the University of New Mexico, involving 40 alcoholics in rehabilitation, found that the men and women who knew they were being prayed for actually fared worse.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:07 am |
    • colin

      Even if we were to accept your uncited study as evidence, which god would that be evidence of? Are the Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and Muslims to be disappointed when their plaints go unanswered?

      May 2, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • Brother Maynard

      Douglas sez:
      "A critical review of medical cases where cures and remission of disease,
      through the application of prayer, provides prima facie evidence of the power of prayer over science."
      Which begs the question - Why do believers go to doctors for anything?
      If you fall and break your hip ... why call an ambulance? You should call your Priest/ Pastor.
      Actually if you think about it .. health insurance should cover ONLY atheists.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:33 am |
    • fintastic

      @doody......... "God is still on the throne!"

      Well tell him to get off!.... I got a turtle poking his head out!

      May 2, 2013 at 11:24 am |
    • Which God?

      Yes. Gawd-duh is still on the "throne," and he has wipe his but t.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
  6. Reality

    Only for the newbies:

    The Apostles' Creed 2013: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
    and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (references used are available upon request
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    May 1, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
  7. biggles

    Satan is the god of this world

    May 1, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Who is this Satan you refer to? Oh yeah...another make believe dude like your God.

      May 1, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      According to Christian belief, god is all powerful and therefore Satan can only act with god's approval. Satan is therefore god's tool and god is ultimately responsible for his behavior.

      May 1, 2013 at 9:20 pm |
    • Legolas

      Nordic aliens

      May 1, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
    • MarkP

      That would make him the Christian god too, wouldn't it?

      May 1, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • fintastic

      @biggles................. "Satan is the god of this world"

      The guy on the paint can with the red suit??

      May 2, 2013 at 11:25 am |
  8. biggles

    Lol

    May 1, 2013 at 7:59 pm |
  9. Salero21

    Atheism is stupidity in Full bloom there is no doubt about that.

    May 1, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      S21 is a lying troll...ignore it.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Right...because science denial and superstitious magical thinking isn't stupidity.

      May 1, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
  10. Atheist

    If religion is a lie made up by idiots, then why is there sky cake? Prove that, with your precious science!

    May 1, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • Answer

      "with your precious science!"

      -"to theee volcano....my preccciious rellligiiiion"

      May 1, 2013 at 6:02 pm |
    • Abe

      If you think science disproves the existence of God. You have a great misunderstanding of the scientific method.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
    • Alan DeGolmon

      @Abe,

      If you think science proves the existence of god, then you have a great misunderstanding of the scientific method.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
    • John The Canoeist

      If you think the god of the Christian bible exists, then you have a grave misunderstanding.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "If that's how you want to invoke your evidence for god, then god is an ever- receding pocket of scientific ignorance."
      NDT

      May 1, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
    • MarkP

      Abe
      Science just proves that he wasn't necessary for all the things people say he did, that's all.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
    • ..

      The fuck is a sky cake? Explain.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:09 am |
    • tallulah13

      I'm just hoping it's nothing like a urinal cake.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • Christard

      More like fruit cake

      May 2, 2013 at 8:19 am |
  11. DavidTX

    I must admit with a heavy heart that I come and post on these boards anonymously in defense of the nones simply because to do so in a public way would put my job, family and possibly even my life at risk. This says something to you about the state of things here in America. Only now are the nones getting a voice as they can stand behind the tinted glass of the internet and say what they really feel about organized religion and all of it's sick and twisted leaders without fear of reprisal. It says we are getting better, but we still have a long way to go.

    May 1, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • Dippy

      It's, not it's.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • no snot

      it's not it's, it's its.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:02 pm |
    • Hrmm

      t it's t its t its' t its t its t its, hoooooooooray for booooooobies!!!!

      May 1, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
  12. Trance

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxk9TvyJrs&w=640&h=360]
    .

    May 1, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
  13. Stephanie

    Hey, if anyone out there seriously wants to see another side to what Jesus may have really been all about, I challenge you to read "Rabbi Jesus: An Intimate Biography" by Bruce Chilton. It's quite a different way to look at Jesus and what "The Jewish Life and Teaching that inspired Christianity" might have been if the original biblical texts had been translated correctly. Now, it does go some places that some Christians may go "Oh hell no", but stick with it and give it a chance. You just may see a side of Jesus you never thought of but that makes sense for his time. I think it is more believable than the bible.

    May 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • Akira

      Thanks, Stephanie, I'm always looking out for an interesting read.

      May 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • STEPHANIE IS

      DELUSIONAL AND 10 YEARS OLD

      May 1, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
    • biggles

      Such a pity

      May 1, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • Chad

      "more believable than the bible"

      =>based on what?

      May 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
    • Alan DeGolmon

      @,Chad
      "more believable than the bible"
      "=>based on what?"

      It doesn't have as many inner contradictions, doesn't advocate selling daughters into slavery, doesn't advocate stoning deaths for people wo work on the sabbath, doesn't have a god who tells the Hebrew tribes to slaughter half of their own people – men, women, and children – for the crime of worshipping a golden bull. I could go on, but you get the points, because you know what they are.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
    • Chad

      so, in other words, it is what you wanted the bible to be..

      May 1, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • Jerosa

      If one believes in God and believes that Jesus is the Savior, does one have to believe in every story in the Bible? Is that a requirement these days?

      May 1, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Jerosa,

      No it is not a requirment, the bible is known as the big book of mutiple choice, but the Jesus myth was based on them.

      May 1, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
    • Jerosa

      Oh. Because I know a lot of people who believe in God and Jesus, but thinks the Old Testament is a hot mess, ifyaknowhatimean.

      May 1, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      I agree, I know many who outright reject the OT, in fact when I was a believer I was one of them. But really if you take away the OT, specifically the fall of man that started with Adam and Eve, there is need for Jesus.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      **no need**

      May 1, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
    • MarkP

      "if the original biblical texts had been translated correctly"
      Too bad we don't have the originals to any of these texts, eh? We have copies, made by scribes with their own agendas and human capacity for making mistakes. Not much to place your confidence in.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:54 pm |
    • MarkP

      Chad
      If people want to run their lives according to the teachings of a book shouldn't they have believable books that aren't full of contradictions and horrible examples of outdated morality? Just asking!

      May 2, 2013 at 12:00 am |
  14. Stephanie

    Wasp, again God has given free will with the promise that he/she willl not interfere in our choice. If we want to blame God for not jumping in and saving us from ourselves then what is our purpose? If we continually expect God to "Make things right", our entire existence is a failure. God has made us to be magnificent. That is our potential. Unfortunately, we are wasting our potential. There are many people who rise up to be magnificent even in the middle of tragedy. There are many though who are so wrapped up in trying to assign blame for why terrible things happen to wonderful people they never realize that our own apathy is to blame. I wish we could go back to the missed opportunities where we could change the terrible things from the past, but all we can do is try to prevent these same tragedies for the future.

    May 1, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • Therefor god is totaly imp-otent

      “God has given free will with the promise that he/she willl not interfere in our choice”
      If god will not interfere with choice then Prayer is useless and god is just as useless as if it didn’t exist at all…

      May 1, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
    • STEPHANIE IS

      DELUSIONAL AND 10 YEARS OLD

      May 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
    • Honet Hush

      Stephanie
      Well written posts, but god has nothing to do with our condition, it does not exist. Life is just programed to stay alive, if it can it will take advantage of any other form of life to achieve that end. The higher life forms will form into groups to achieve that goal and the instinct of dominance takes precedence. To be dominant over all others, the idea of god, the leader of the pack, the top dog in any hierarchical system, the quest of so many dictators to conquer the world, really has nothing to do with free will or a god, it is what we are. Can we as rational beings get beyond this and live in relative harmony, so far no, as a species worldwide.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • Larry

      Stephanie
      God has given free will with the promise that he/she willl not interfere in our choice, unless he/she chooses to interfere via performing some "miracle", or "sign" that's specifically aimed at helping an individual change their mind. Sounds like God is helping some people to believe in him/her, but not others. Doesn't that mess up your idea of free will without God's interference?

      May 2, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • fintastic

      Christianity...... one big contradiction after another...

      May 2, 2013 at 8:23 am |
    • WASP

      @steph: " trying to assign blame"
      see that's just it. i blame the humans respocible for committing such violent actions, nor a devil or a neglectful god.

      what i stated was that with an all power god, there is no such thing as free will. it contridicts what free will truly is.
      however like all the other closed minded ignorant religious tards in the world you will waste your life kissing some god's ass in hopes of kissing his ass all eternity. i truly feel sympathy for your ilk.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:43 am |
    • G to the T

      @Stephanie – "....again God has given free will with the promise that he/she willl not interfere in our choice." Odd, because I see evidence of him interfering with free will all the time in the bible. That's what most of the miracles are. I'll give one examle – the Pharoh in Exodus (please note, there is ZERO evidence the jews were ever slaves in Egypt) – in that story the Pharoh is ready to let Moses and the Jews go. But god doesn't think he's made his point yet so HARDENS the Heart of the Pharoh. If that's not interfering with free will, we have very different ideas about what the term means...

      May 2, 2013 at 2:05 pm |
  15. Stephanie

    Sam and Rupert, you are both placing limits on God. God's reality is not limited by our reality. Stop putting earthly limitations and earthly logic on God and start thinking of God as the All That Is and the All That Is Not. This Earth is only a very small part of God's creation and what is limited here (including thought and time) and we will never truly wrap our minds around His/Her purpose, ability or capability until we rejoin him/her for eternity.

    May 1, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • ^^^

      IS DELUSIONAL AND 10 YEARS OLD

      May 1, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • And so, your god is useless

      “Stop putting earthly limitations and earthly logic on God”
      If your god isn’t bound by logic then he isn’t bound by reason or common sense either. It is unintelligible. Your bible is just useless gibberish and your religion is nonsense. You are wrong to follow his rules and even more wrong to evangelize because by your own definition you don’t know what you are talking about.

      May 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Stephanie
      All of the thousands of gods that have ever been...all are created by men.
      So when you say god...which one do you mean ( and many are the one true god), and then why that one and not the others?

      May 1, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • Athy

      There are no gods of any kind. It's time you grew up, Stephanie

      May 1, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Stephanie, god is just as big as your imagination. That's because god exists in your imagination.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • Larry

      Stephanie
      If "we will never truly wrap our minds around His/Her purpose", then how on Earth can anybody know that God isn't actually evil by our standards? Plenty of evil figures have claimed to be good; why should we take the Bible's word that God actually is good, as we understand it? According to you, his/her purpose is a complete mystery, right? Why assume God is actually good?

      May 2, 2013 at 12:23 am |
    • Rupert

      @Stephanie
      Nothing I said places limits on god. The bible is clear when it says that god knows everything, and if god knows everything including the future, then our own actions are not a result of free will, they are all predestined to happen. So when bad things happen, god knows full well they would, and there is nothing that will change the outcome.

      Isaiah 46:9
      I am God, and there is none like me,
      declaring the end from the beginning
      and from ancient times things not yet done.

      Matthew 10:30
      But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.

      Psalm 139:4
      Even before a word is on my tongue,
      behold, O LORD, you know it altogether

      May 2, 2013 at 9:47 am |
  16. Chad

    science vs. religion is a false dichotomy.
    Science is the study of Gods creation.
    Without a well behaved universe that obeys laws, science wouldn't exist.

    May 1, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • Science

      Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

      April 30, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Report abuse |

      May 1, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • sam stone

      science is the study of the natural world

      any reference to god is supernatural

      to say that it is "god's creation" is delusional

      May 1, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      Chad, your as sertion is baseless. Out of the lack of credible evidence you must have faith. You seem to forget this core value of kristians.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Philosophy and Science deal with unanswered questions. Religion deals with unquestioned answers.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
    • Chad

      @sam stone "science is the study of the natural world"
      @Chad "yes"

      @sam stone "any reference to god is supernatural"
      @Chad "yes"

      @sam stone "to say that it is "god's creation" is delusional"
      @Chad "no.
      making a claim that the God of Israel created the universe is no more supernatural than the multiverse claim.

      For a start, how is the existence of the other universes to be tested? To be sure, all cosmologists accept that there are some regions of the universe that lie beyond the reach of our telescopes, but somewhere on the slippery slope between that and the idea that there are an infinite number of universes, credibility reaches a limit. As one slips down that slope, more and more must be accepted on faith, and less and less is open to scientific verification. Extreme multiverse explanations are therefore reminiscent of theological discussions. Indeed, invoking an infinity of unseen universes to explain the unusual features of the one we do see is just as ad hoc as invoking an unseen Creator. The multiverse theory may be dressed up in scientific language, but in essence it requires the same leap of faith.

      — Paul Davies, A Brief History of the Multiverse

      May 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • Science

      By the way chad is a troll !

      May 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • Science

      Where do morals come from?

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

      Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      May 1, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • Science

      By the Chad...............rather read the fossil records........................ education for works or children !

      First Snapshot of Organisms Eating Each Other: Feast Clue to Smell of Ancient Earth

      Apr. 29, 2013 — Tiny 1,900 million-year-old fossils from rocks around Lake Superior, Canada, give the first ever snapshot of organisms eating each other and suggest what the ancient Earth would have smelled like.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130429154107.htm

      May 1, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • Science

      Oops god damn thumb ! .................... by the way

      Peace

      May 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • sirhuxley

      "Science is the study of Gods creation."

      Wrong. That is just an opinion, that is completely contingent on the existence of a deity.

      There is no evidence at all to suggest that any Theistic interpretation of a deity exists, and in fact, most of the statements about the natural world that are expressed in the bible have been shown (by Science) to be false or mistaken.

      Therefore, we can safely conclude that the modern notions about the theistic god are also mistaken because they were invented by ignorant bronze age people.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • Science.

      Mind games CHAD ! t.......................that is where your fairy resides !

      May 1, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
    • Science

      It would be nice......... but it is a sucky worldview !
      Maybe they should not have created the wedge !!!
      The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Insti-tute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Insti-tute manifesto known as the Wedge Docu-ment,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic
      convictions.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy

      Peace

      May 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
    • ME II

      @Chad,
      "making a claim that the God of Israel created the universe is no more supernatural than the multiverse claim."

      Actually, I think certian theoretical mathmematical models, such as M-theory, predict a mulitvers. I haven't heard of a mathematical model predicting the "God of Israel".

      And it may be detectable...

      "Surprisingly, observational tests of the multiverse picture may in fact be possible. Anthony Aguirre, Matt Johnson, Matt Kleban and others have pointed out that a collision of our expanding bubble with another bubble in the multiverse would produce an imprint in the cosmic background radiation—a round spot of higher or lower radiation intensity. A detection of such a spot with the predicted intensity profile would provide direct evidence for the existence of other bubble universes. The search is now on, but unfortunately there is no guarantee that a bubble collision has occurred within our cosmic horizon." – Vilekin (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=multiverse-the-case-for-parallel-universe)

      Or

      "'It's the same flow at a distance of a hundred million light-years as it is at 2.5 billion light-years and it points in the same direction and the same amplitude. It looks like the entire matter of the universe is moving from one direction to the next,' Kashlinsky said.

      The observation fits theoretical models of how our universe might be impacted by sibling universes, predicted by string theory, that we cannot directly detect."
      (http://news.discovery.com/space/history-of-space/dark-flow-universe.htm)

      May 1, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • Stephanie

      In our universe Chad, that appears to be correct. But do we really know for sure that ours is the only universe? What about M Theory (string theory)? Physics is only just beginning to understand that we may not be the only universe. Isn't it exciting to think that perhaps other universes laws could be completly different?

      May 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
    • Chad

      @sirhuxley " most of the statements about the natural world that are expressed in the bible have been shown (by Science) to be false or mistaken"
      @Chad "such as what?"

      ======
      @Chad "Science is the study of Gods creation."
      @sirhuxley " Wrong. That is just an opinion, that is completely contingent on the existence of a deity. There is no evidence at all to suggest that any Theistic interpretation of a deity exists"
      @Chad "that's not true at all, do you believe in free will? Do you believe in objective morality? Why is the universe fine tuned? What about the historicity of Jesus? What about the empty tomb? What about the fossil record?
      All the atheist can do on each of those is say "well, we dont know".
      .

      May 1, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • Science

      Holy Hallucinations 35

      ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XTCRdC8Dlo

      Sorry chad have a geat life

      May 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
    • Science

      i can add the o h chad !

      May 1, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Chad, You do this daily – don't you read the answers you get? The creation myth – both of Earth and life on Earth is not supported by the science – same as all the other creation myths. Adam and Eve and Noah stories are not supported by science. Very little in the bible has been proven historically factual including Jesus and the empty tomb.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • Science

      Chad is like reasoning with a 5 year old..................maybe chad will get it someday !

      May 1, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Chad, Atheists don't say "we don't know" to all those questions. However just because something is unexplained doesn't mean that a god did it and it specifically doesn't mean that your god did it.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • Sweet Dead Jew on a Stick

      Chad. Truth is that I was just another messiah rabble whose body was thrown in a ditch and just went a mouldering away. All your BS interpretations of the bible are a bunch of enhanced stories of what went down.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • Science

      Again Chad ......thank you for the help .

      May 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • Luther

      A tomb is just a tomb...
      especially when no one saw who left the room...
      and a tomb is not a house..
      and a house is not a home..
      when there's no one there, who knows hide nor hair..
      who even really wrote about the tomb.... ♬

      May 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • Chad

      @ME II

      A. Dont know enough about m-theory to comment on the math
      B. "'It's the same flow at a distance of a hundred million light-years as it is at 2.5 billion light-years and it points in the same direction and the same amplitude. It looks like the entire matter of the universe is moving from one direction to the next,'
      The observation fits the theistic creation model see Genesis 1

      May 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
    • Science

      Splat goes a fairy in the sky .

      Einstein's Gravity Theory Passes Toughest Test Yet

      Apr. 25, 2013 — A strange stellar pair nearly 7,000 light-years from Earth has provided physicists with a unique cosmic laboratory for studying the nature of gravity. The extremely strong gravity of a massive neutron star in orbit with a companion white dwarf star puts competing theories of gravity to a test more stringent than any available before.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm

      May 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Science

      another thread from Chad ..................love your help !

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/28/when-religious-beliefs-becomes-evil-4-signs/comment-page-38/#comment-2314834

      May 1, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
    • Science

      NASA: Mars could have supported life

      Star Dust we are

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWdU_px9ApE&w=640&h=360]

      Peace

      May 1, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • ME II

      @Chad,
      "The observation fits the theistic creation model see Genesis 1"

      Interesting, how does it fit with Gen 1 exactly?

      May 1, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
    • Science

      Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.

      Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.

      http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm

      May 1, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
    • Science

      Chad thanks again for................. showing how fruity...........fruitcakes from xmas past can be !

      May 1, 2013 at 7:21 pm |
    • Science

      Chad ................well ?

      Scientists Find Genes Linked to Human Neurological Disorders in Sea Lamprey Genome

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130224142915.htm

      May 1, 2013 at 7:41 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Had this planet been incompatible to life, then god wouldn't exist, because man wouldn't be around to create him.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
    • Larry

      Chad
      Science is the study of the universe, but there is no mainstream scientific theory that supports the idea that any god had a part in creating it.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • Larry

      Chad
      If the universe is "fine tuned", why is 99.999...% of it inhospitable to life? The Genesis model of creation, where there is no mention of any "universe", "space" or even other planets. Where they imagined a solid bowl over the land and that the stars were fixed in it. That idea of "all of creation" could be argued to be fine-tuned and custom made for us, but not the actual universe.

      We, as a planet, are metaphorically standing on one foot atop a pole in the middle of the Pacific surrounded by sharks and you want us to think that the whole ocean was made to keep us alive? Amazing!

      May 2, 2013 at 1:04 am |
    • fintastic

      @chaddy........ "......Gods creation."

      Another wild claim with zero evidence to back it up.................. yawn

      May 2, 2013 at 8:26 am |
  17. Candice

    If this film is anything like the 'back and forth' here in the comments section, please let me know now to avoid the disappointment (and irritation)

    May 1, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
    • Science

      Topher is a little bent !

      The End

      You asked for it kenhbradshaw Have a good read !

      Where do morals come from?

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

      Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
      Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/28/pope-praises-science-but-insists-god-created-world/

      Science

      Heaven is 'a fairy story,' scientist Stephen Hawking says updated Tue May 17, 2011
      By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor The concept of heaven or any kind of afterlife is a "fairy story," famed British scientist Stephen Hawking said in a newspaper interview this week. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when...

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/heaven-is-a-fairy-story-scientist-stephen-hawking-says/

      April 7th, 2012

      08:32 PM ET

      The Jesus debate: Man vs. myth

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/comment-page-137/#comment-2281915

      Make sure to read comments

      April 18, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |

      Breaking News

      NASA: Three planets found are some of best candidates so far for habitable worlds outside our solar system.

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/18/us/planet-discovery/index.html

      May 1, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
    • Science

      topher comment went bye bye ?

      May 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
    • Ben

      No worries, Candice. There will probable be no religious twaddle in the movie like we have here.

      May 2, 2013 at 12:36 am |
  18. WASP

    to all christians please answer me this?
    if god has a plan and heaven is soooooo perfect; then why have your children innoculated? why place your elderly in retirement homes or provide round the clock medical attention for them if it's god's plan for them to die and join him?
    who are you to use science to extend their lives when god wants them dead?
    do you think your god isn't powerful enough to save them or allow them to live 600 years? why spite your god by giving them live saving medical treatment?

    seriously i'm curious about all of your reasons for disobeying your god.

    May 1, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • jim1

      Every time they put on a seat belt or look both ways before crossing a road they spit in his face. They also teach their innocent kids to do the same.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • Stephanie

      I personally believe that God created this world, and humans. When God gave us free will, that included everyone. Which means that what I do is on my own head. I make decisions of what to do in my life everyday. Many of those decisions affect other people (having an argument, driving intoxicated, driving while texting, etc). The free will is a double edged sword. We can use it with the idea of bettering ourselves and helping others, or we can use it to better ourselves at the expense of others. God is officially hands off. His/Her interference in the decisions made by his/her children would negate the gift and make God a tyrant. If God interfered in our life, we would no longer be free, we would just be servants or slaves doing the bidding of an overlord. The true way to live a Godly life (regardless of what God you serve) is one that is lived with all the freedoms to do as we please, but understanding the consequences of those choices we make.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • biobraine

      "His/Her interference in the decisions made by his/her children would negate the gift and make God a tyrant"

      God says "worship me or be tortured forever into eternity"

      Sounds like a tyrant to me.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • WASP

      @stephanie: "When God gave us free will"
      ok you don't have "free will" under god. want proof?
      1) god is all knowing. so when god created the universe he knew those kids in that school would be shot and still created the shooter.
      2) god is all powerful. god can blink and erase all "evil" yet does nothing.
      3) god is always present. meaning god was in the school watching the shooter ki11 those kids and did nothing; he just watched.

      free will is chaos. it's the ability to change your life from being born to a poor family to becoming rich.
      god is structure, a.k.a. order. god has a "plan" "fate" destiny" for humans, that means you dance to his music until he cuts your cords.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • Stephanie

      Biobraine I have my doubts that God actually even said that. Why should God require any obedience from us? God has no ego to stroke, God has everything He/She wants. God has created life according to his/her design and has no need to feel threatened or angry about what we do. Think of us as children of God. When God sends us into the world, God knows already we will not always "behave" or "Play well with others". God does not punish us. God does not need to punish us. Our actions or the results of other's actions are what "bites" us. This is why it is so important for people to consider what the consequences of our actions are. We are not just effecting (affecting?) ourselves, but also others. Look at it this way, what better way to control masses of people than to tell them "If you don't do it this way, God will punish you". Its all about the control wielded by "Religion" or the "Churches of the World" to keep their folloers in line.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Stephanie

      Wasp, when do people have to take responsibility for themselves? Every future action is only a possibility. There are probably a hundred different situations that could have happened in the life of the shooter of those Newtown children that would have prevented it. If 1 or two things happened differently to the shooter during his childhood for instance, maybe he would have turned out to be a completely different person. Again, we are seeing the results of the actions of others and our own choices. God is all powerful, but again, our choice and we have to life with the horrors that we create. When a community ignores the poor or the helpless, what are we unkowingly creating? If a child is not helped when living with an abusive family does that child grow into a serial killer or a social worker? Why do people insist on blaming God for our actions or lack thereof. Evil is in this world whether we like it or not. Our own actions determine how much evil there is and how it attacks.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • sam stone

      stephanie: free will is inconsistent with an omniscient god

      May 1, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
    • Chad

      @WASP "if god has a plan and heaven is soooooo perfect; then why have your children innoculated? "

      =>you mean hear on earth I suppose, not heaven.
      Earth was made perfect, then the fall occurred. Earth is no longer perfect. See Genesis 1.

      you can claim the bible isnt true, but you cant claim the bible doesnt precisely coincide with what we observe.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
    • Rupert

      @Stephanie
      You do not understand that free will and the existence of an all-knowing deity (god) cannot co-exist. We cannot be in control of our actions if such a being exists, and if we are in control of our actions, then such a being cannot exist. It can’t work both ways.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Still lying I see Chad.
      It's easy to say "the bible perfectly coincides" when you can decide what in the bible is metaphor, allegory, and literal at a whim and interpret it any way you want.
      Pathetic.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • Rupert

      @Char
      but you cant claim the bible doesnt precisely coincide with what we observe.

      We absolutely can claim that with 100% certainty.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
    • Rupert

      @Chad, not Char

      May 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
    • Golly

      How does one observe that something was once perfect? lol

      May 1, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      Chad

      Earth was made perfect, then the fall occurred. Earth is no longer perfect. See Genesis 1.

      """""""""""""""""""""
      Genesis is not credible nor direct evidence....please provide direct evidence for the following:

      The Earth was perfect -no disease/death etc
      The fall- I assume you mean man. Please provide the corpse of what was once a perfect human being.

      If you do not have direct evidence then it is as sumption and faith/wishful thinking based

      May 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • WASP

      @steph: " If 1 or two things happened differently to the shooter during his childhood for instance, maybe he would have turned out to be a completely different person."

      and whom designed this world?
      whom allowed those things to happen to him?
      does god not know everything?
      is god not all powerful?
      god is always there, correct?

      then what excuse would he have for standing there not stopping children from being gun down?

      May 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • WASP

      @CHARD-TROLL: " but you cant claim the bible doesnt precisely coincide with what we observe."

      ummmm yes i can, it's called..............FREE WILL. 🙂

      until some proof meaning facts come to light making your fairytale more believeible than any of the other billions of religions out there, i CAN CHOOSE to accept science due to the fact it truly has FACTS that i can test myself.
      god fails the tests everytime.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      The kristian god is a god of convenience for its followers. Such as Chad moving the ball to wiggle and slime around. To most here we already know Chad and his other log on names has zero credibility. Chad is like the retard spar partner. He gets beat up then goes to another part of the ring and gets beat up again. The threads reach a point where Chad has used all his diversions and then he is off to another thread. Stay around retard, you are fun to poke.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Chad is like the retard spar partner. He gets beat up then goes to another part of the ring and gets beat up again. The threads reach a point where Chad has used all his diversions and then he is off to another thread. Stay around retard, you are fun to poke."

      He is like Gopher in that sense

      May 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
    • Science

      Another thread from chad Sam..................love his help !

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/28/when-religious-beliefs-becomes-evil-4-signs/comment-page-38/#comment-2314834

      May 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • Larry

      Stephanie
      Again, if God performs miracles for select individuals then he's actually helping some people believe in him, which isn't the kind of fair, hands off, free will you think God has provided, right?

      Many of us atheists use to believe in God just as strongly as you do. The only difference between you and us is that we came to realize that the reasons to believe in God weren't as compelling as we originally thought. I still remember all of those reasons to believe, but I've lost my emotional love of the idea of God existing. Loving the idea of something being true doesn't actually make it so, wouldn't you agree?

      May 2, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • Larry

      Chad
      We have no evidence that the Earth was ever "perfect". Where are the fossils of "perfect" creatures?

      May 2, 2013 at 12:51 am |
  19. lol??

    Daddy and Mommie Chimp sure didn't domesticate their offspring very well. Spock to the Rescue! Ben, emergency at the CNN religious blogs!!!

    May 1, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • Ben

      Is your head stuck up your ass again lol?

      May 1, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • lol??

      I am a troll....... ignore me.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:12 am |
  20. Realist

    ******* Does Tebow's god really hate him that much? His most devoted quarterback? So much that he strips him of all of his talent ... So that he SUCKS as a quarterback?

    May 1, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • {*}

      The scenario you just described is a very old one. Read the book of Job. The Bible will always be relevant because it deals with human nature which never changes.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • Science

      {*}.................rather read the fossil records................... OK........... education for works or children !

      First Snapshot of Organisms Eating Each Other: Feast Clue to Smell of Ancient Earth

      Apr. 29, 2013 — Tiny 1,900 million-year-old fossils from rocks around Lake Superior, Canada, give the first ever snapshot of organisms eating each other and suggest what the ancient Earth would have smelled like.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130429154107.htm

      May 1, 2013 at 11:28 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      {*},

      The story of Job just tells how much of a prlck that your god is. He made a bet with the devil about how much faith that Job had?!?!?!?!?!? Doesn’t he already know this shlt? Kills his family, his livestock, and give him diseases to test his faith? What an azzhole. If that god exists he his not worthy of my worship that’s for sure.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Bible Contradictions

      Does every man sin?

      1KI 8:46 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them to the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of the enemy, far or near;

      2CH 6:36 If they sin against thee, (for there is no man which sinneth not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over before their enemies, and they carry them away captives unto a land far off or near;

      PRO 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?

      ECC 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

      JO1 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
      JO1 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
      JO1 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

      JO1 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
    • Science

      Chad HAS A WEDGIE !!!.................DOOGIE TOO !!!...............I guess topher also !

      Made it easdy for you Doogie...............do you have any ? Doogie is a TROLL !

      Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

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