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May 1st, 2013
10:58 AM ET

Petraeus' mistress Broadwell: I'm looking forward with faith

By Kevin Liptak, CNN

(CNN)–After weathering a political and personal scandal that made her the subject of glaring media scrutiny, Paula Broadwell says she's ready to move forward.

The former Army reservist who became romantically involved with Gen. David Petraeus while penning his biography, and was later accused of sending threatening e-mails to another woman, Broadwell told a local television station in Charlotte she's returning to the faith-based environment of her childhood.

"I grew up in a strong faith-based family," Broadwell told News 14 Carolina-Charlotte. "I think I have selected to return to those roots for strength, for my family, for myself and to protect our children and to forgive others and move on and face forward."

She was speaking after attending a YMCA-sponsored prayer breakfast in Charlotte, which she said had "touched her heart."

"I've made some mistakes in the past but I'm trying to look forward with my family," she said.

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  1. Livilla

    What was her fee for this "confession"?

    May 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
  2. lionlylamb

    hawaiiguest,

    Your desires to reconstruct my philosophical stance by blatant criticisms are deemed unworthy of. Again, what parts of the "Cosmological Trinity of Spatial Relationships" do you find unworthy? If it is that all one such of your stature can do is make rude and condescending dissertations to make you seem righteous in light of others, then feel for it.

    May 1, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • Answer

      Ad nauseam.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      I have the same question as yesterday when you tried to completely derail the questioning.
      So what? "These things are kind of similar".
      SO FUCKING WHAT?!
      Answer a question straight for once in your life, or continue to demonstrate over and over why I call you a dishonest coward!

      May 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • trollintraining

      @hawaiiguest

      I'll answer your question!
      I saw an image of jesus on a potato chip and in the mold growing in my shower, and in the bark of a tree, and in the sun behind a cloud. I also had the really cool dream where god forgave me and let me float without care or distress. Finally, i prayed for a solution to my financial problems and I won $5 on a $1 lottery ticket, which bought just enough gas to get home!

      What more proof do you need? Obviously, no other religion has ever had any of this proof going for them.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Hg,

      Again, what parts of the "Cosmological Trinity of Spatial Relationships" do you find unworthy?

      I will though as I did do yesterday attempt to answer your "so what" question regarding 'self-similarity'.

      The atomically manifested cosmos of spatial relativity is duplicated by the celestial cosmos wherefrom such spatial manifestations of natured ambiences cannot be had by shear coincidences but rather by unnatural revelations beyond most people's conscious awareness. Our bodies cellular chasms of atomically framed cosmologies could not have originated without the manufacturing within the atomized and celestial chasms of the cosmological variances.

      Your confining desires to box me in with your bubbled rhetoric is cowardly.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
    • ..

      Lionlylamb, because your #3 has nothing to do with cosmology, but biology. There isn't a damned universe in each of our cells, dipwad. If you want to say God dwells within us, JUST SAY THAT, DORK!

      May 1, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
    • trollintraining

      Lionlylame.

      You can keep telling yourself that the creation stories are true, but that won't change reality.
      You will also keep using big words and act as though that makes you smart, and therefore make your opinions and beliefs more valid than everyone else. You can also keep thinking that god must have guided evoulution. Wrong again. Science has shown that god is not necessary for life to form and grow.
      Get over your insecurities and read a science book.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • Answer

      "Cosmological Trinity of Spatial Relationships" << - really?

      LOL.

      Bag of bean nuts and noodles at fortune cookie fun-house.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • Answer

      I like to know the in-depth process of how one can create such terminology.

      "Tri-fold Linear Tea Bag Di-Opiated Manifold Wreaking Distortion Cam-Multi-Universism"

      May 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Two Speckles,

      Biological underpinnings of the cellular designations are formulations of atomic cloisters just in the same fashions as celestial nebulas are constrained and made manifest in the natured nurturing ways of unnatural occurrences.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:50 pm |
    • Answer

      I wonder if there is a site for such pseudo-intellectual nonsense...

      Liony.. provide us a link of where you get your garbage pseudo-intellect. Genuinely want to know how messed up you are.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • Ignorance like yours...

      is the problem, not the solution...

      May 1, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 1:25

      May 1, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • Answer

      "Fried beans and goats. Two parts salamander and add rot."

      –Croc3:146

      May 1, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

      Matthew 15:14

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Matthew is of course talking about organized religions priests and pastors who mislead so many with their blind teachings of faith, how foolish.

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
    • Answer

      Blinders finders. Goat passage tour bus, semi annual.

      -Croc4:U

      May 1, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      HeavenSent,

      From the Hindu Katha Upanishad: "Abiding in the midst of ignorance, thinking themselves wise and learned, fools go aimlessly hither and thither, like blind led by the blind." - written l–o–n–g before the alleged Jesus quote.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Careful where you get your education.

      The four Hidden Dynasties (called the four horns in gospel) that will precede and usher in satan as the antichrist. Educational (includes the media), Economic, Religious and Political.

      May 1, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
  3. Two aspects not often considered by Churchianity

    She doesn't come across a one who is broken in spirit, remorseful, or repentant. She comes across as one who would still be committing sin had she not been caught. If her upbringing taught that adultery was okay, she is dead wrong. She has just trampled the blood of the Savior underfoot. Not good. She should consider these verses:
    Hbr 10:26 ¶ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

    Hbr 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    Hbr 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

    Hbr 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    Hbr 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

    Hbr 10:31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    May 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm |
    • Two aspects not often considered by Churchianity

      Think the Commandments have been done away with? Think again.
      Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      The real quesiton is, which ten commandments? Exodus 20 and 34 each have a different list. Exodus 34 is the only place that states "These are The Ten commandments". Trouble is that this is not the list that most people know.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
  4. lionlylamb

    God needs no religion to be God. God is God. God was God long before all creation became God's manifestations. God is God. God was God when God established Life upon the many domains of the celestial. God was God. God is God. God will ever be God regardless of Time.

    May 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Oh lolly-gag, you silly gullible christian...where is the evidence to support your claims???

      May 1, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      TP,

      My 'one' claim regarding the issue that "God needs no religion to be God" dare does mean that all of our humanistic religions are unworthy of being supported by the flocks of fragmented socialisms. The unconscionable Acts of individuals and even of the socially fragmented may only find redemption by God and forgiveness by those seeking to also be forgiven.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      You're trying to get a straight answer out of lionly? Good luck, he's been dodging answering anything I ask for two days now.
      The poor, deluded, dishonest little shithead.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      poor hawaii no one wants answer his questions lol

      May 1, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      lolly-gag: You still haven't provided substantial peer-reviewed evidence for your imaginary friend. You and your home-boy BillyBobDeacon just sound like a couple of puppets...repeating what is spewed to you from the pew and not caring if there is evidence to support it.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      wow...18 references to your magic grand-daddy in just a couple of sentances....do you get extra points for name dropping.

      God is...a man made construct, man has made thousands of them.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Bill

      Yes no one wants to answer. Just as you don't want to address the papal order to not report molestations to the proper authorities and your defense of that. Just like you don't want to actually address the fact that your masters are aiding and abetting the physical and psychological damage of children, and you try to distract from that by pulling a bullshit study and pretending that until the percentage of self-admitted molesting priests gets to a certain point no one should criticize how it's being handles and covered up.
      Just run away now Bill, that's the only thing you do well, because you're definitely not good at being a decent human being.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      The answers to the questions are contained int eh way you ask them hawaii. The truth is that while kids have been hurt by clergy that according to the U.S. Dpt of Education, the statistical rates are minimal compared to the U.S. government school rates. That's their own report which you are free to dismiss at your own bigotry. Also, as I've tried to explain to you, beseiged groups almost universally default into a "circle the wagons" mentality in the face of a scandal. I don't excuse this, I simply say it is understandable. Thirdly you are guilty of over generalization. Not all priests are pedophiles any more than all doctors are Kermit Gosnells. There now calm down. I wish I had a question for you but my criticism still stands. You've never taken a stance on anything that produces a question. You are only against, never for. As Abraham Lincoln said "It's not what a man can tear down that makes him a man. It's what he can edify." Well what can you edify hawaii?

      May 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
    • Ignorance like yours...

      God God God God God God God God God God God God God God God God God God.

      That is what your paragraph looks like when all other words are removed, 18 Gods in 3 sentences has got to be a record. It's sad to see people losing their minds like this, better get another padded cell ready.

      May 1, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Genesis 1:27-28

      27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

      28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
    • Larry

      lionlylamb
      Worshipping a god is part of religion, so even when people say they actually have a "relationship" with God they're still worshipping him, which makes it a religious practice anyway. Before God supposedly created people to worship him he would not have been a "god" yet, but just a powerful being. You need worshipers that consider you a god before you can become one. Odin and Zeus are no longer gods to most people because people have all but totally stopped worshipping them. The same will happen to God, in time. Once enough people stop worshipping him he'll join the rest of the characters people use to worship as gods, but are now considered part of myth. That's how a lot of us already see him.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:21 am |
  5. John 8:11

    And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

    There are two aspects to this sinfulness,

    A) her faith is between her and God , no man can interfere on how God chooses to deal with her sinfulness.

    B) As to the families, nation and others she betrayed by her action am sure she will be accountable for her poor choices.

    May 1, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
    • Two aspects not often considered by Chuchianity

      1. Deu 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

      Deu 17:7 The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.
      There were no accusers, no witnesses.
      2. Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with [another] man's wife, [even he] that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
      Where was the man in this case? He wasn't there. They tried to trap Yeshua by bringing this woman to Him. They tried to get Yeshua to break the Law. They failed. Unfortunately, modern "Churchianity" tries to say that Yeshua teaches not to judge, the Law has been done away with, who knows what else.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      I can quote nonsensical bible quotes too.

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      “If a man’s testicIes are crushed or his pe nis is cut off, he may not be admitted to the assembly of the Lord.”
      –Deuteronomy 23

      “All right,” the Lord said. “You may bake your bread with cow dung instead of human dung.”
      –Ezekiel 4:12-15

      May 1, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      And my all time favorite:

      Ezekiel 23:19-21
      19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prost itute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.
      (NIV 1984)

      May 1, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
    • trollintraining

      Not quite true john:
      the church can excommunicate people.
      That takes the decision out of god's hands and sends them straight to hell.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      not quite true again troll. the Church doesn't excommunicate people. People excommunicate themselves. The Church simply pronounces the obvious condition.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • Science

      Hey billie is a troll

      May 1, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • trollintraining

      Bill Deacon

      I do love the way you christins make things up.
      Yes, the church can, and on rare occation, does excommunicate people. Point in case, those who did the internal investigation of child abuse were threatened wit excommunication if they ever gave any information outside the church.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      You don't understand your own use of the word "threatened"

      Excommunication, especially a jure, is either latæ or ferendæ sententiæ. The first is incurred as soon as the offence is committed and by reason of the offence itself (eo ipso) without intervention of any ecclesiastical judge; it is recognized in the terms used by the legislator, for instance: "the culprit will be excommunicated at once, by the fact itself [statim, ipso facto]". The second is indeed foreseen by the law as a penalty, but is inflicted on the culprit only by a judicial sentence; in other words, the delinquent is rather threatened than visited with the penalty, and incurs it only when the judge has summoned him before his tribunal, declared him guilty, and punished him according to the terms of the law. It is recognized when the law contains these or similar words: "under pain of excommunication"; "the culprit will be excommunicated".

      What this means is that there are acts by which one is excommunicated upon being taken. No one excommunicates the offender, he does so by his own volition. The judgement of threat of excommunication is the announcement by a prelate that the conditions are present for excommunication. The offender is cautioned to reconcile with the Church or face excommunication, again by their own autonomous choice.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? (Luke 12:57)

      What is right?

      The statutes of the Lord are right (Psalm 19:8).

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
    • Polder

      Awesome circular referencing there, UnHeavenlyStench. Gooooood job.

      May 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
  6. Bootyfunk

    do whatever you want, just say "i believe in jesus" before you die and all is forgiven. sick mentality.

    May 1, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
  7. Honey Badger Don't Care!

    If Jesus is god then he sacrificed himself, to himself to create a loophole to a rule that he himself created. Then he got to spend the rest of eternity in paradise. Hmmmmm....

    Jesus had a bad weekend for your soul.

    May 1, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      jesus died for his own sins.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      If Jesus died for my sins then I'm going to make sure that he didn't die in vain. I'm going to sin twice as much to make sure of it.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      That's like an alcoholic trying a little "controlled drinking". I'm all in favor of sinners seeking bottom, just recall the scourging of that innocent man long ago so you could be free from it. Go ahead and sin. I dare you not to think of Jesus while you do it.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
    • Science

      Bill + BS + BS

      May 1, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
  8. B(iraq) Hussein Osama

    – Christian woman goes to neighbors house and shanks neighbor's husband
    – Over and over and over for months while neighbor is at work
    – Neighbor finds out and her marriage is wrecked

    – When sanity returns, christian woman realizes she made a mistake.
    – But does nothing. Absolutely Nothing.
    – Ends up in heaven. No penalties, no jail, no nothing.
    – Why? because she believes in Jesus.

    May 1, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Actually...she would also need to be truly repentant as well....which Means if Hitler was truly repentant in his final moments, he is in heaven as well.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      – Christian woman goes to neighbors house and shanks neighbor's husband
      – Over and over and over for months while neighbor is at work
      – Ends up in heaven. No penalties, no jail, no nothing.
      – Why? because she BELIEVES in Jesus.

      – Hindu woman goes to neighbors house and shanks neighbor's husband
      – Over and over and over for months while neighbor is at work
      – Ends up in HELL. No penalties, no jail, no nothing.
      – Why? because she DOES NOT believe in Jesus.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      joke's on her - there is no heaven. she's under the illusion she'll get to live forever but instead she ends up dead in the ground or ashes like everyone else. she'll never realize she wasted her life following an invisible sky-fairy that never existed.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
  9. Malcolm

    The church ought to address the problem of sin, no point in having a morally bankrupt society.

    May 1, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Since all religions are essentially immoral, looking to the churches would not increase any morality level.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
    • Malcolm

      It is the people who are immoral and it is the duty of the church to make sure they speak honestly about all sins and its ramification.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      then the first thing the church should do is get rid of religion.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:51 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Malcolm: Who is the church exactly? Is it not run by people?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Malcolm
      Why do you think the people are immoral? Because your bible says so? Sound like a useless religion, and the religion itself is immoral for making you think that way.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
  10. Jordan

    Quote from "Young Victoria" applies: "You have played the game, and lost."

    May 1, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
  11. Dr. Young

    She returned to her faith?!? she must have been an atheist when she had the affair?

    May 1, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • atheist

      we don't believe in affairs, we don't believe in sins.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • trollintraining

      athiests do believe in affairs.
      moron.
      now see if you can twist this into a different context that would make it as stupid as you.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • atheist

      stupid

      May 1, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Returning to her faith is a scapegoat. And Atheists don't tend to look at having an affair as being a sin because it isn't..sin only exists in the believer's world not the real world!

      May 1, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
    • Aleek DaTeep

      Atheists may not see it as a sin, but the ones I know still see it as wrong.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
  12. catholic engineer

    Most people, whether atheist or faithful, have a conscience. Everybody sooner or later does something they deeply regret (including CE!). People feel, "Gee, if I could only make it right." What if everybody refused to give us a chance to redeem ourselves? Regardless of this woman's faith or lack thereof, she should be given that chance.
    Human history is full of great good and great treachery. What if the whole species needed redemption for its folly?

    May 1, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      The whole of society could not possibly need "redemption. The reason being, if the whole of humanity was doing something, then it would be an acceptible social convention, so no "redemption" required. It would just mean a paradigm shift in our species social structure.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      catholic engineer,

      Redemption is not given by any person but only by God can one be redeemed. One's moral conscience becomes diminished thru immoral Acts. All of us may forgive those who have done unconscionable Acts but forgiveness does not equate to redemption. Such Acts of the unconscionable will ever linger within one's conscience the rest of one's Life.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      Just a paradigm shift? THis idea puts a serious strain on the notion that man can be good without God. At the beginning of WW2, the Allies limited their bombing to military and industrial targets. Then, it became thinkable to dehumanize the noncompatants of places like Drezden, Hiroshima, Tokyo, and Nagasaki. You know the results. Is this an acceptable paradigm shift for an atheist?

      May 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      I did not say it was acceptable...If I look at a perfectly functioning society, such as in Ja pan...There are many cultural differences ( read the book Culture Shock). To the society I come from, some of the things that are perfectly acceptible to them, are very strange , and by my sensibilities, immoral... to them, some of my cultural norms are unacceptible (ie the gun culture in America. That does not mean that they need redemption. It just means you needs to change your idea of what is acceptible.
      Morality is very subjective...beauty in the eye of the beholder type thing.

      You are trying to use your definition of morality and are trying to put it onto others, like your religion tells you to, and that is immoral at its core.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Ja pan is perfectly functional? I doubt your self proclaimed genius more every day Richard. Another point you miss is social acceptance of behavior doesn't confer moral rightness. You and I may agree that what we are each doing is ok but that is merely enabling. When you and I agree but CE does not and we can't tolerate his behavior either subjective morality enters and someone pulls rank. Unless and until morality is objective, we're nothing more than tribes chucking rocks at one another for more rocks

      May 1, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Bill
      You again are trying to a$$ert your mrality...it is subjective, and always will be. Since outr idea of mrality starts with the DNA passed from our animal ancestors, some things we take as granted. Co-operation, caring for those around you, helping those in need...all these things are done by the rest of the social animals on the planet.

      My choice of wording may have been inappropriate...a functioning society like ja pan ( not perfectly)...better?
      When I was there I was shocked by some of the things I witnessed...perfectly acceptible in their culture (when in rome do as the romans do), but to try to apply my version of what is moral would in itself be immoral, again by my own standards.
      By my moral compass,your bible says that jesus dies for "our"sins, and you should accept him as your "savior". to me this is extremely immoral, allowing someone else to take your just punishment...why don't you think that is wrong? and then if I don't accept it, I'm to burn for eternity...that makes no sense and would indicate that your gods morality is in question, which is an indication that it is not from a god, but instead men...and the evidence shows that all of it was created by men.

      As for my IQ...it is only what the experts have told me since I was a child, so not self proclaimed. In my career in science and technology, I work with many extremely intelligent people, so to me it is just plain normal.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      You've set up the doctrine of salvation as a straw man. Is that your real understanding or are you reducing it to the ridiculous for space considerations? First, no one anywhere says you MUST accept Jesus. His Passion is a fait accompli. You are free to accept or reject. Acceptance, by definition includes on into His glory. Rejection is simply that, rejection, at which point one is free to go. The spiritual condition of one who rejects, we call hell since it is absent from God the father, Son and Holy Spirit. No one sends you to hell.

      As to your acceptance of the societal norms in Ja pan, their merely overwhelmed you with their subjective morality and because of your good manners. But my scenario is still valid, without an objective comprehensive morality cultures will be in conflict when one value system contravenes another.

      May 1, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      No straw man....the doctrine of salvation is ridiculous from the outset.
      God allegedly created heaven and hell.
      He allegedly send his son to "save" mankind from a threat he created.
      You have to choose...accept his son, or go to hell
      So you must accept the immoral act of allowing someone else to take your just punishment, or you will go to hell for not allowing yourself to be that immoral.
      That is what it boils down to.
      Why do you think it is moral to let someone else take your punishment?

      May 1, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      CC you talk as if there is a difference between the religious and those of us who choose to think. As humans living in a society we all do things and yes we all feel bad at times. I dare say though that if you are emboldened by church doctrine .. like perhaps the rejection of gay folks , and disallowing women in your church hierarchy this may give a feeling of comfort to those actions and can pass it off as a direction from "god"

      May 1, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
  13. trollintraining

    you people are actually believing what this ho says?
    Does it occur to any of you that she is just appealing the the christian majority in a public way? This is just an attempt to look better in the opinion of the masses/sheep.
    The only thing she is truely sorry about is that she will never find another inportant man to write a biography about.

    May 1, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
  14. lionlylamb

    Religiously cultural condemnations no longer carry much weightiness within fragmented socialisms.

    May 1, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • what???

      Righteous cultures of condiments no longer crustastian within frgailistic expealidoscious

      May 1, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      what???

      Religiously cultured ideological condemnations no longer carries much weight within today's fragmented socialisms.

      I digress. My bad! Better?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • what???

      Regardlessly cluttered idiosyncratic colonials no longer cradle and wait within today's fraggle rock socialites?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
  15. Reality

    "Get thee to a nunnery!!! " 🙂

    May 1, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
  16. ..

    Looks like she went to the same "Ducklips R Us" as Lilo. Petraeus loved pursed lips, yes?

    May 1, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • Which God?

      Vacuum cleaner lips. Suks up all.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      The better to "blow the whistle" on a high ranking government official with.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
  17. Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

    Can blame him, she gave it up for him.

    May 1, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      Actually you can blame him because he broke many different articles of the UCMJ. Of course nothing really happens to him because he was an officer. If that were an enlisted man they would have thrown the book at him.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • ME II

      @Honey Badger Dont Care,
      I agree that he is responsible too, but wasn't he a civilian, i.e. directory of the CIA, and not under UCMJ?

      May 1, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I think you're right ME II and, of course, he relinquished that position, he wasn't quite high enough to escape all consequences.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
  18. neil

    looking forward with faith, more like up at the ceiling!! hahaha

    May 1, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      yeah ... "Oh God, Oh God, Oh God"

      May 1, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      how do you know she was "staring at the ceiling" and not "riding a horse" instead?

      May 1, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
  19. Honey Badger Don't Care!

    This shows the basic mindset of xtians. You can do whatever you want, no matter how wrong it is, and just for forgiveness and you're good.

    I know, some of you are going to say, "but god would know what is in their heart." Since a god doesnt exist this just means that these people are using their delusion to justify doing bad things and not feeling bad about them afterward.

    Just another part of the xtian delusion.

    May 1, 2013 at 11:29 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      You say it shows the basic mindset of Christians, although you choose to spell it in an insulting fashion. To me it shows the mindset of adulterers who will retreat into rationalization when their adultery comes to the light.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:49 am |
    • In Santa we trust

      Bill, Isn't that what confession is all about?

      May 1, 2013 at 11:51 am |
    • ..

      Too bad these dolts don't rationalize the affect of adultery on others when they're bumping uglies.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • Mickey1313

      To true, for 2 thousand years christians have been using the faith as a shield against the horrors they have comited.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care!

      Exactly right Mickey!

      May 1, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Santa, since she didn't describe herself as Catholic, I'm not sure the sacrament of confession applies. My experience with the sacrament is that is about the exact opposite of rationalization. For me it is about introspection, conviction, contrition, confession, repentance and reconciliation. I hope her religious tradition enables that process for her.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • Topher

      "Just asking for forgiveness" won't help her. That's not how it works.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Bill, Surely the catholic knows what they did were sins but still did them. It's not like the RCC don't instill them in from an early age. So essentially any sin can be forgiven, so why try to lead a righteous life.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • Bob

      Honey Badger DC, I feel that you hit the nail on the head there re one of the things that bothers me most about Christianity -the complete abdication of personal responsibility to a sky fairy that will forgive anything however heinous if you just ask (and yes, Bill Deacon, that means your particularly evil blood cult too).

      Good post, HBDC.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Because once one realizes that their sin is what drives the nails and lashes the body of Jesus, it usually brings about a clearer realization of what they are doing

      May 1, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • B(iraq) Hussein Osama

      – Christian man in a moment of madness goes to neighbors house and ra pes and kills neighbor's daughter.
      – When sanity returns, realizes he made a mistake and feels bad.
      – But does not want to end up in jail. who does?
      – Quickly disposes of body and comes back home.

      – Police come by and cannot figure out where the girl disappeared or what happened to her.
      – Christian man feels bad and asks God for forgiveness.
      – Ends up in heaven. No penalties, no jail, no nothing.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I agree Bob. It's the one thing about atheism that bothers me the most. There is no forgiveness for sin. I have to live a life without making any mistakes (or decide that there are no mistakes). Probably;y the best strategy is to focus more on others mistakes so that mine are camouflaged. I find it much more honest to say "I make mistakes, but I can be redeemed by grace"

      As a friend of mine says, he is more interested in mercy than in justice. Atheism is just too judgmental and legalistic for a common person like me.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • Topher

      "- Christian man feels bad and asks God for forgiveness.
      " – Ends up in heaven. No penalties, no jail, no nothing"

      No.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • Honey Hush

      Bit of a cheating slvt there for a while, just nip back into your faith and all is forgiven, sounds like the female Jimmy Swaggart. No wonder there is so many sinners in the churches.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      And correct Santa, any sin can be forgiven, with the exception of the utter rejection of God's mercy. That is the good news! Now repent and sin no more!

      May 1, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      The sinners in church have just overcome their denial about it is all. The rest go shopping and play golf

      May 1, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Golly

      BD: "any sin can be forgiven"

      and knowing this, knowing one can relieve their guilt by confession with no concern for the law – well, we have seen the effects of that a lot lately – lol.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • sam stone

      You have no more insight into "how it works" than does anyone else, Topher. Try not to be so pompous

      May 1, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • Honey Hush

      Until the next time, is that not how it works. Can't even imagine the evangies and priests that get up in front of the sheep or hierarchy and get forgiveness or protection.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Because once one realizes that their sin is what drives the nails and lashes the body of Jesus, it usually brings about a clearer realization of what they are doing"

      No, thinking that what they do has any impact on the "body of jesus" is delusional

      May 1, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Topher

      I have as much insight as anyone who has read the Bible .. which tells you how it works.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • sam stone

      "I agree Bob. It's the one thing about atheism that bothers me the most. There is no forgiveness for sin."

      Ooooh, "sin"....the big hook that brings those seeking eternal life around like buzzards on fresh kill

      May 1, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • sam stone

      Oooh...ya read a book, eh?

      Congrats.

      Written by man, translated by man, edited by man and deified by man.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • sam stone

      folks who have read the bible and have come to different conclusions than you also feel they have the "word of god".....which one of you is right?

      May 1, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Honey Hush

      Well, girl, hell of a way to get you 15 minutes of fame but it looks like you may cash in on it aka Monica.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • Topher

      What different conclusions?

      May 1, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • sam stone

      Whichever different conclusions. There of tens of thousands of different denominations, all feeling just as clearly as you that THEY have the correct "word of god"

      There are churches that accept gays and will bless their unions.
      You will not

      Are you more right than they are?

      May 1, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Topher

      sam stone

      None of that has to do with what we are talking about. Are rabbit trails all you've got?

      May 1, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • SImran

      Some people have read the Bible and come to the conclusion it is the infallible absolute word of god, others think it is a outdated middle aged book of stupid and inhumane fairy tales. But then will come the argument – they have not really read the Bible! Why? Coz they have not been brainwashed into it.

      May 1, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • sam stone

      you claim to know the correct word of god

      are pompous delusions all you got?

      besides hiding when the big bad questions get too rough for you, of course

      May 1, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • Rupert

      @Bill Deacon
      I have to live a life without making any mistakes (or decide that there are no mistakes).

      It’s the exact opposite Bill. Christians get a free pass for doing bad things if the repent. That doesn’t keep them from doing the bad things. Knowing there are no real consequences for your actions in the eyes of your god is an enabler, not deterrent

      May 1, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • Topher

      sam stone

      Are you just going to keep complaining or are you going to tell me about how people differ on what it takes to be saved?

      May 1, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Science has already proven the bible wrong enough that it is absolutely not the infallible word of god. It is not infallible at all. Too many false, made up stories to be beleivable...the ones that think it is infallible are the ones who cannot handle reality.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Topher, You said you understood because you had read the bible – isn't that the "word of god". The point was there are many different interpretations of that even within your division of christianity without looking at other types of christianity. So how is this a tangent?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • Bob

      Bill Deacon, you just contradicted yourself. And nice try at claiming "agreement" when you have none, liar. You have already established yourself here as dishonest. Par for the course for you and your religious ilk.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • SImran

      How the idea of who is saved has evolved within the Church over time:

      http://www.religioustolerance.org/rcc_salv.htm

      May 1, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • Bob

      What Rupert said. Exacty, and 180 degrees from what our resident liar Bill Deacon is trying to slide in about his nasty blood cult.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Are you just going to keep complaining or are you going to tell me about how people differ on what it takes to be saved?"

      I didn't say people differed on "how to be saved"

      I am saying claiming to have the correct "word of god" is delusional

      This fits with your character.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • SImran

      Topher, the link I just provided is for you.

      Posting again.

      http://www.religioustolerance.org/rcc_salv.htm

      May 1, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • WASP

      @CHRIS-topher: "Just asking for forgiveness" won't help her. That's not how it works."
      "- Christian man feels bad and asks God for forgiveness.
      " – Ends up in heaven. No penalties, no jail, no nothing"

      “I promise you that any of the sinful things you say or do can be forgiven, no matter how terrible those things are. But if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you can never be forgiven. That sin will be held against you forever.” — Mark 3:28-29 (CEV)"

      now seeing that is "jesus" words, the only thing that can't be forgiven is speaking against the holy spirit; now unless you know better than jesus/god then please make a note of that when you meet him.
      otherwise you can be FORGIVEN for everything our HUMAN laws forbid.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • SImran

      In the past, the Church seems to have taken an exclusivist position on the validity of other faith traditions. Numerous popes in the Middle Ages seem to have stated clearly that anyone who is "outside" the Church, who is "not subject to the Roman Pontiff" or is "not living within the Catholic Church" cannot be saved and will not attain Heaven.
      Numerous statements since the 1960's seem to have stated clearly that the Church has switches to an inclusivist position. They now believe that non-Catholics can have indirect access to salvation, but that their faith may well place serious roadblocks on the path to salvation.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
    • WASP

      @CHRIS-topher: "Are you just going to keep complaining or are you going to tell me about how people differ on what it takes to be saved?"

      catholics have the whole "hail mary" thing
      protestants have reading verses and resiting prayers to the thin air along with "talking" to god.
      various sects of christian have different ways to "be forgiven" by their gods.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • Topher

      In Santa we trust

      "Topher, You said you understood because you had read the bible – isn't that the "word of god""

      Yes.

      "The point was there are many different interpretations of that even within your division of christianity without looking at other types of christianity"

      True, on minor issues. That's what makes the difference in denominations. Minor issues. Salvation, however, is an essential. That's why, for instance, Lutherans and Baptists are still brothers in Christ. We only disagree on minor issues and agree on the essentials. If you are off on the essentials, you're not part of the church.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • sam stone

      if they differ on any issues, however minor, how can you claim to have the correct view?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
    • sam stone

      Snivelling toady

      May 1, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • Paul

      Well Topher, I read the bible and came to the conclusion that it is a made up story for the most part.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
    • Topher

      WASP

      "now seeing that is "jesus" words, the only thing that can't be forgiven is speaking against the holy spirit; now unless you know better than jesus/god then please make a note of that when you meet him. otherwise you can be FORGIVEN for everything our HUMAN laws forbid."

      I agree with that. But my point was that asking for forgiveness is only part of the equation. So if that's all you do, it won't help you. If you're found guilty in a court of law and the judge asks what you have to say for yourself ... and you say, "I'm sorry." The judge will say "you should be sorry. But you still must be punished for the crime you committed." If the judge is just, he still must punish you for justice to be satisfied.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • sam stone

      You have stated numerous times that we are all deserving of hell.

      You don't get any more toadyish than than

      You god is a pr1ck, and you are a coward.

      I would suggest that you grow a pair, but that seems impossible.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • WASP

      @CHRIS-topher: " on minor issues"

      minor issue for southern baptist.

      women should not wear mens clothing. sin.
      women should not speak when a man is speaking. sin.
      children should be seen and not heard. sin.
      women shouldn't wear make up. sin.
      smoking is a sin.
      swearing is a sin.

      i could go on and on, but i won't.
      those minor differences are what one tells you are sins and others accept. kindof how catholics consider divorce a sin, yet protestants see no problem with it according to national numbers. XD

      May 1, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • sam stone

      Just? Your god is anything BUT just.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • Topher

      Paul

      Then you are outside of orthodoxy. That's your choice. Doesn't really have much to do with what we're talking about, though.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • WASP

      @CHRIS-topher: so in your OPINION what more needs to be done to be forgiven?
      i know growing up SOUTHERN BAPTIST our preacher told us that is all we had to do. ask god for forgiveness and move on. now are you going to tell me that my preacher whom was reading from GOD'S HOLY BOOK was wrong?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • WASP

      @CHRIS-topher: " justice"

      JUSTICE: a : the maintenance or administration of what is just especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the as.signment of merited rewards or punishments b : judge c : the administration of law; especially : the establishment or determination of rights according to the rules of law or equity
      2a : the quality of being just, impartial, or fair b (1) : the principle or ideal of just dealing or right action (2) : conformity to this principle or ideal : righteousness c : the quality of conforming to law
      3: conformity to truth, fact, or reason : correctness

      May 1, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • Pete

      Perhaps god thinks the things separating the different sects of Christianity are a big deal, and has decided that all Baptists are going to burn in a lake of fire for eternity.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • SImran

      Topher,
      Any comments on how and why the stand of the RCC on who will be saved has changed so dramatically thought the Bible being read is the same?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • Topher

      WASP

      Happy to tell you. As I said, justice must be satisfied. Jesus Christ accomplished that on the cross. He took the punishment that you and I deserve for breaking God's laws — lying, stealing, blasphemy, lust, etc. We broke the laws, He paid our fine. Justice is satisfied. And so if we repent (which means not just saying you are sorry, but turning from those sins) and TRUST IN CHRIST to be able to do what He said He could do, God will see us as clean. "“Come now, let us reason[c] together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool." With that, you will be able to enter Heaven when you die. Not because you are good, but because you are forgiven. Who wouldn't want that?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • Topher

      Pete

      Again, not how it works. Each will be judged on their own. How many of God's laws have you broken?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • sam stone

      "He took the punishment that you and I deserve for breaking God's laws "

      You mean for violating the edited, translated hearsay of iron age sheep molesters

      May 1, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
    • sam stone

      punishing one person for the acts of another is not justice, gopher, it is scapegoating

      May 1, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
    • Topher

      SImran

      I'm not Catholic and they are outside orthodoxy. That's the point of the Protestant Reformation. They began teaching things contrary and in addition to the Bible. Perhaps you should ask one of them why that's the case.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • SImran

      Topher
      "Again, not how it works. "

      Are you the new Pope or something to be so sure? But doesn't matter. Bcoz one pope says something and then comes along another and says something else! That is how it works!

      May 1, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • SImran

      I am not Catholic – So now you yourself acknowledge that different denominations have different interpretations of who will be saved and those interpretations have changed over time. I just gave you one evidence of the stand of RCC.

      Bottomline – any book is subject to as many interpretations as there are its readers!

      May 1, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
    • Topher

      Simran

      I'm not the Pope ... the office is anti-Christian and considered by many as anti-Christ. It isn't Biblical. And Catholics are not a denomination. They are a separate church all together. They say I am anathama as we say of them.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
    • Pete

      God is not real, and therefore, I have not broken any of god's laws.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • Pete

      Topher, that is exactly the point. You think Catholics are going to hell, and the position of pope is against the bible while Catholics can find plenty of evidence in the bible for the position of the pope, and think you are going to hell. In the end there is no way to know who is right.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • atheist

      @Topher, What does John 8:11 say about sins?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • SImran

      On the issue of salvation:

      Salvation, in Christianity, is the saving of the soul from sin and its consequences.[1] It may also be called "deliverance" or "redemption" from sin and its effects.[2]
      Variant views on salvation are among the main fault lines dividing the various Christian denominations, both between Roman Catholicism and Protestantism and within Protestantism, notably in the Calvinist–Arminian debate, and the fault lines include conflicting definitions of depravity, predestination, atonement, but most pointedly justification.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • Topher

      You have now all heard the Gospel. The question is, how will you respond?

      If any of you have any more questions, I'll check back later. For now, I've got a puppy that wants to go for walksies.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
    • Pete

      John 8:11 isn't in the earliest known manuscripts, and was probably added a couple of hundred years after the Gospel of John was written. In fact that whole story was added after the gospel was originally written.

      May 1, 2013 at 1:51 pm |
    • sam stone

      "You have now all heard the Gospel. The question is, how will you respond?"

      By dismissing it as an iron age comic book

      "If any of you have any more questions, I'll check back later. For now, I've got a puppy that wants to go for walksies."

      Why do you worship such a pr1ck, if not outright fear?

      May 1, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
    • anti-topher

      @Topher
      For now, I've got a puppy that wants to go for walksies.

      In other words, “I’ve been cornered again, so it’s time to make like a banana and split.”

      May 1, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
    • sam stone

      making like a banana a-peels to topher

      May 1, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • trollintraining

      simran: 'Bottomline – any book is subject to as many interpretations as there are its readers!'

      i'm going to get 5 friends together and read 'Run Spot, Run!'
      We'll see how many different ways we can interpret it.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      great discussion. Some people think they need forgiveness for sin. Some don't care about forgiveness and do what they want. Some think they can and others should live within the law. Always a great topic.

      Topher, for your information, Catholics do not think other religions are anathema. We pray for unity. The word Catholic means universal and all are welcome. The word denomination means "new name". Catholicism is not a denomination because we do not have a new name. We are the same church (sins and all) that we have been since Simon became the rock and the body and blood were transfigured at Jesus's last passover. Read the sixth Chapter of John to see how the Catholic Church was started.

      May 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
    • John The Canoeist

      Bill Deacon, you pray for us, and we'll think for you.

      And seriously, Catholicism is not defensible these days. On its way down down down and into history. Jail the Pope and his criminal henchmen! What a crime syndicate.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
  20. ..

    "forgive others...." for WHAT??? SHE'S the homewrecking ho! "I think I have selected...." Weird turn of phrase, that. Where was her faith when she was spreading 'em??

    May 1, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • WASP

      @..: well i image she was resiting god's name over and over during the "encounters" so she never lost her faith.

      XD hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      May 1, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
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