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Pope Francis: Worker exploitation "goes against God"
May 1st, 2013
01:48 PM ET

Pope Francis: Worker exploitation "goes against God"

By Jethro Mullen and Farid Ahmed, CNN

Savar, Bangladesh (CNN) - Pope Francis, speaking at a Mass on Wednesday, made reference to the Bangladesh building collapse that killed upwards of 400 people in a sharp condemnation of worker exploitation and "slave labor."

"Not paying a just (wage), not providing work, focusing exclusively on the balance books, on financial statements, only looking at making personal profit. That goes against God!" Pope Francis said.

He continued: "When society is organized in such a way that not everyone has the opportunity to work, to be anointed with the dignity of work, then there is something wrong with that society: it is not right! It goes against God himself, who wanted our dignity, starting from here."

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- Dan Merica

Filed under: Asia • Pope • Pope Francis • Work

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  1. Age of Reson

    ..."No one knows if this Jesus Christ existed, and if he did, NOTHING is known about him!"
    "WHY I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN Bertrand Russell 1928

    May 1, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      If you read His truth (Bible) you'd wouldn't be deceived by man.

      May 1, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • tallulah13

      It doesn't matter what the bible says. There is no evidence for the existence of any god, therefore there is no rational reason to believe in one.

      May 1, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
    • sam stone

      " you read His truth (Bible) you'd wouldn't be deceived by man."

      If you accept the bible, you already have

      May 2, 2013 at 10:18 am |
  2. Say what you need to say

    Christians are in the forefront fighting to abolish slavery, the statement by the Pope resonates with all Christians committed to this cause.

    May 1, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
    • House of Gord

      Don't confuse the haters with facts. They want to peg the entire religion (and all 1 billion+ followers) as pro-slavery.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • Say what you need to say

      Great christian organizations working in the third world countries to free slaves. If you can't beat them at their humanaitarian work then shut up.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
    • Answer

      Don't forget 'Uganda'.. soon to be the largest third world of anti-gay rhetoric. Sponsored by the christian right that oversees the conversion in that area.

      May 1, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
    • Say what you need to say

      There are children who go to work, who earn pennies for their work, not educated, some of them held as s e x slaves, which is extremely cruel. Christians cannot turn a blind eye to the cries of millions of these little children. They have to act to ensure freedom, ensure education for these precious little souls. Grateful to great organizations such as world vision ,csi-us, exodus and the Catholic Church. Miles to go before we sleep...

      May 1, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
    • Answer

      Antigay Rally Held at Ugandan Activist David Kato's Grave

      http://www.advocate.com/news/world-news/2013/04/02/photos-antigay-rally-held-ugandan-activist-david-katos-grave

      ==Sure your have more work. More conversion to make it all illegal and to ok the killings. Go for it. Africa is yours for the taking. Create the next big disease over there.

      May 1, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
    • Answer

      And in sports news...

      Church Cancels Speech by NFL Star Over Support for Jason Collins

      http://www.advocate.com/sports/2013/05/01/church-cancels-speech-nfl-star-over-support-jason-collins

      == You've got to step out there up to shut them up, even through twitter, if they support those who are gay. Make sure they come back to your church, and ask forgiveness, so you can then allow them to participate again with your church.

      May 1, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
    • Say what you need to say

      Look, this is not an article about gay rights. This is an article about slavery. Do something for this cause and come back to talk. Having said that, Christians may not condone all kinds of lifestyle options that are out there but they are taught to love all human beings.

      May 1, 2013 at 7:21 pm |
    • Answer

      Oh yah.. that love.

      They spit in your face as you give them "love."

      May 1, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      All the atheists haven't a clue that those scriptures on slavery were written to the Jews who were under the law.

      May 1, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      so if i find one christian whose pro slavery your statement is false.

      "It [slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts...Let the gentleman go to Revelation to learn the decree of God – let him go to the Bible...I said that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, authorized, regulated, and recognized from Genesis to Revelation...Slavery existed then in the earliest ages, and among the chosen people of God; and in Revelation we are told that it shall exist till the end of time shall come. You find it in the Old and New Testaments – in the prophecies, psalms, and the epistles of Paul; you find it recognized, sanctioned everywhere.".
      ~Jefferson Davis

      May 1, 2013 at 8:31 pm |
    • lol??

      Yup Yaza, some are slaves to sin.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • Science

      lol??..............you do it daily then aye ?...........you know where the sand box is.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:33 am |
  3. Answer

    The christards love to sway people that their religion is not fear based...

    The Buddhists have the idea of "reincarnation." As you know this idea is such a comfort for their minds.
    So how does one destroy that secure comfort from a Buddhist?

    With fear.

    Break down their barrier of comfort. Attack their self worth.

    Ask yourself you broken christards about it. At one point you were broken. And still are.

    When that is done.. Induce the guilt. Follow up by fear. Done.

    Buddhists are easy game from guilt as a whole because it is ingrained that they offer up onto their family. As a value.

    It isn't a stretch to reduce a Buddhist to give "that" up towards a god instead. Go learn about psychology and how to understand your mind. Free yourself from the stupidity of any religion and fear.

    May 1, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
    • Some good points some bad ones

      Reincarnation is a lovely idea but much like heaven it has little empirical data to back it up. I was and am a big fan of the idea.
      In so far as broken Christians I think you need to take each person as an individual. I've met some that are what you are describing and some that are not just like with any walk of life.
      Destroying someone's self worth probably comes in many forms, like the use of the word "tard" for example.
      I agree that psychology is a very good answer.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
    • Answer

      As in any form of text.. I cannot escape the usage of a generalization.

      You and I do share most of the same ideas. I encourage everyone to study their own psychology. Their own minds.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The fear of the LORD is to hate evil; Pride and arrogance and the evil way And the perverse mouth I hate. (Proverbs 8:13)

      "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. {11} For by me your days will be multiplied, And years of life will be added to you. (Proverbs 9:10-11)

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
    • Answer

      Horse, cow, pies.. thick and brown. Plop on HeavenSent, to arise her from hole.

      –Croc4:Smell

      May 1, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=plop+plop+fiz&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz35

      May 1, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
  4. JMEF

    Chad
    Hmmm! Generic term like religion, agree, so many different religions. Non-denominational christian, okay, but is that a cop out not to deal with the fringe crazies. Could be said the name christian is a generic term as there are 10's of thousands of different cults that call themselves christian, time for you to get a lot more specific!!!

    May 1, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • JMEF

      Reply to TTTOO

      May 1, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

      Acts 11:26

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
    • JMEF

      Cue the fringe crazy, thanks for playing HS.

      May 1, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      You're welcome for the imagination.

      May 1, 2013 at 8:19 pm |
  5. Terry

    How will they pay for all the victims of their abuse if they don't exploit someone? So far they have paid out more than $6,000,000,000 (thats $6 billion with a "B") so they will need to keep taking in all those field worker donations from Mexico and other low wage Catholic dominated countrys.

    May 1, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
    • .

      6 billion? Come on, really?

      May 1, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
    • Don

      "The mol e station and r a p e of children by priests in America has resulted in more than $3.3 billion of settlements over the past 15 years, $1.3 billion of that in California. The total is likely to increase as more states follow California and Delaware in relaxing the statute of limitations on these crimes, most of which were reported long after they happened." – the economist

      "The Economist estimates that annual spending by the church and entlties owned by the church was around $170 billion in 2010 (the church does not release such figures). They believe 57% of this goes on health-care networks, followed by 28% on colleges, with parish and diocesan day-to-day operations accounting for just 6% and national charitable activities just 2.7%"

      3.3 billion in last 15 years, $171 billion annual operating costs, $6 billion doesn't sound implausible at all.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • House of Gord

      Curious, how much of that money was due to being found guilty or just a settlement to shut the accusers up?

      May 1, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
  6. STFU

    How can building collapse in Bangladesh changes engineering in Dubai affects Catholics in Vatican and the counterfeit industry in the China? Pope Francis knows the answer and understands complex global economies.

    May 1, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
    • Answer

      That old fart and his cronies saw a news story that it could exploit.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
    • sub-shop.com

      Yeah because that's what CNN is all about; supporting the Pope. *rolls eyes*

      May 1, 2013 at 6:12 pm |
  7. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    The machine of religion is oiled with the blood of the workers, poor saps, who believe.

    May 1, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • Chad

      which religion are you talking about?

      May 1, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • Answer

      Certainly not about "Rachel."

      May 1, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • Answer

      So Chard..

      How do you pray towards "Rachel"?

      May 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
    • Russ

      @ TTTOO: it's hard to help the poor by mocking them. i didn't take you for a cultural elitist.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
    • JMEF

      Chad
      He is talking about the branch of the christian religion that you believe in which is....???,,,pray tell.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
    • Sue

      I agree with Russ. You probably have a good point TTtOO, it would be well worth hearing without the insults to the little guy.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
    • Chad

      @JEMF "He is talking about the branch of the christian religion that you believe in "

      =>how do you know?

      I keep hearing from atheists that when they say "religion" it could mean anything at all, including religious atheists.

      seems like you are jumping to conclusions..

      ==
      I am a non-denominational Christiain

      May 1, 2013 at 5:50 pm |
    • Answer

      So Chad is a self made s-c-u-m.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:54 pm |
    • JMEF

      Chad
      You should have clued in by now that I am a modern day deist, I accept the concept of a creator but not a personal god, like christians can. Many christians seem to want it both ways, atheism is just like/or is a religion and then demand that an atheist leader, like JJ, should not be called a religious leader, make up your minds.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
    • \

      Drama much Tom?

      May 1, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
    • Chad

      "Many christians seem to want it both ways, atheism is just like/or is a religion and then demand that an atheist leader, like JJ, should not be called a religious leader, make up your minds"

      =>actually, I never considered atheism a religion, but some folks have been arguing lately that there is such a thing as a religious atheist.
      If you look at the definition, atheism would fit that, but personally it seems nonsensical to call atheism a religion.

      Religion is an organized collection of belief systems, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values

      in any case, you atheists are going to have to get a lot more specific than just using generic terms like "religion" now..

      May 1, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
    • Answer

      Sure Chard.. because you blow the boat out of the water with your vapidness.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • Science

      Chad thread......next

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/28/when-religious-beliefs-becomes-evil-4-signs/#comments

      May 1, 2013 at 6:11 pm |
    • Answer

      Here's a suggestion for you Chard..

      It's early and you're still full of yourself.. bring out "Rachel" and her pat yourself on the boat on being the rich champion that you want to be.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:11 pm |
    • ME II

      Atheism is not a religion, however an atheist can be religious, just not about atheism. IMO

      Buddhists, I think, are sometimes or in some versions, are considered atheists, since they don't believe in god(s), but still have a religion based on the supernatural.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • oOo

      "I am a non-denominational Christiain"

      Interesting. I'm sure there are many Christians who would claim that their specific denominational beliefs and tenets are key to their understanding of their God and savior and that understanding directs their united efforts in spreading their love, word, etc. via charity, etc. and that this "process" if you will can be seen as this notion of something greater than "self". So how does someone with no denomination know their interpretation is correct? That what they are doing or promoting to be "greater than self" is the right "way"?

      May 1, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
    • Answer

      @ME II

      Yep. Buddhists in general all favor the idea of reincarnation.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • JMEF

      Chad
      Understanding your position is what I hoped to achieve. I accept that you can be a non-denominational christian and demand that JJ be not considered a religious leader, that is your prerogative. But when you say you atheists in your reply to me after I just told you I am a modern day deist, big difference, is disingenuous.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • Answer

      Chard is a revisionist. Out to rewrite every stain that has fallen into the records of his beloved religion toward his god.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
    • Chad

      @JMEF

      I didnt mean to lump you in with atheists.. I forget that you are a deist, as it is extremely rare in my opinion for a deist to expend any energy at all criticizing Christians. Like agnostics, they usually just cant be bothered, it's the atheists that are so rabid..

      ==
      so anyway, back to the root post topic. What religion was being referred to?

      May 1, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
    • Answer

      @Chard

      Paint your fantasy about atheists all you want. You've only convinced yourself and you're sticking to it. Nothing else you've said all along has made anyone else think that way.

      What you have shown of yourself is more revealing of how much a tool you are.

      Bring out your "Rachel". To appease yourself.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • JMEF

      Chad
      Missed the reply button again answer above. In short if religion is a generic term, so many of them, the same maybe said for the 10's of thousands of christian cults. I think saying you are non-denominational allows you to distance yourself from the crazy/ugly side of christian belief. For example I have never seen you defend the Topher, fred, L4H, etc. crowd, to your credit.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • Chad

      no, I am simply asking what religion is being referred to in this statement:

      The machine of religion is oiled with the blood of the workers, poor saps, who believe

      May 1, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
    • Answer

      @Chard

      Have you realized that maybe the person who posted it isn't online?

      The thickness of your antics isn't endearing. Can you honestly want any of the person who are here to reply towards you?

      You're clueless.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
    • Answer

      Would anybody want to pose and a$$ume themselves as "Tom, Tom, the Other one" and play along to give a reply to retarded Chard?

      How about you Chard? Just do what you usually do with your "Rachel" ... all you really have to do is change the "name" and post.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      "Stir It Up" is a song composed by Bob Marley in 1967, written for his wife Rita, and first made popular by Johnny Nash. Nash's recording hit the top 15 in both Britain and America in 1972.

      May 1, 2013 at 8:22 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Chad,

      which religion? The same one that is 'the opium of the people'.

      May 1, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • Chad

      @GOPer "which religion? The same one that is 'the opium of the people'."
      =>A. Which one is that
      B. What makes you think that is the one TTTOO is talking about
      C. Convince me that when atheists say "religion" they arent talking about Christianity 99% of the time and that is just implicitly understood by everyone.

      May 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
  8. Honey Badger Don't Care!

    Great, the new pope is a liberal hippy!

    May 1, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
  9. A just man for a just cause
    May 1, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
  10. the AnViL™

    "Not paying a just (wage), not providing work, focusing exclusively on the balance books, on financial statements, only looking at making personal profit. That goes against God!" - Pope Francis.

    actually that's wrong. the imaginary man in the sky clearly condones slavery. contrary to popular delusional idiot xian belief, no – slavery was not always to pay debts or relieved at jubilee.

    for ignorant, delusional, retarded xian idiots – the fact that their bible not only condones slavery, but also provides fairly well constructed slavery management solutions – it should be fairly clear evidence not only of the complete lack of divinity within xianity – but also the absence of the existence of objective morality.

    as to this pope.. and the rcc:

    the vatican should be razed. the adherents of catholicism scattered, and the entirety of the clergy burned alive on pyres of the roman catholic canon.

    tolerance of religious idiocy has to end – the sooner the better – and by any means necessary.
    .
    .
    .
    cha cha cha

    May 1, 2013 at 4:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      It's obvious AnVil you haven't read all the Christian posts to learn those of us who actually read the Bible knows what Jesus had written about slavery.

      And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

      Revelation 12:9

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
    • Science

      HS =..

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/28/when-religious-beliefs-becomes-evil-4-signs/#comments

      May 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      When Abraham Lincoln met Harriot Beecher Stowe, he said, "So you're the little woman caused this big war." Stowe was a Quaker. They are Christians. Many abolitionists were Quakers.

      In America a civil was was fought to purpordly free slaves. After that war, Northern businesses were booming. The robber barons sent pamphlets throughout Eastern Europe enticing people in the many thousands to come to the land of opportunity. They came, and were worked 16 hours/day in horrendous conditions in mines, mills, and factories. When worn out, they were tossed out because there was plenty of cheap labor now. This is what secular greed accomplished.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      CE, Why do you describe the greed as secular? Do you know what wealth your church has amassed over the years? It's not just the Vatican City and all its treasures but huge amounts of property and assets around the world.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • Science

      The property should be TAXED in the US !

      May 1, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      HS
      Genesis 9
      25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
      26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
      27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
    • the AnViL™

      HeavenSent you are a disgusting, delusional, consummate LIAR, and you are very clearly ignorant about what the new testament has to ~say~ on the subject of slavery.

      the anonymous authors of the supposed words of the alleged jebus NEVER spoke out against or condemned slavery and the "new testament" is rife with statements in support of slavery.

      you and those like you should remove yourselves from the world – for the good of humanity and future generations.

      because people like YOU are the reason the holocaust happened.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:02 pm |
    • ;

      You got to love the cherry pickers that find verses from the Tanakh to support their warped views on things. You know, cherry pickers like Anvil. No better than a fundie.

      May 1, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • the AnViL™

      ";" ignorantly spewed: "You got to love the cherry pickers that find verses from the Tanakh to support their warped views on things.

      cherry picking what scriptures, exactly? the only ones that exist on the matter?

      are you asserting that there's some misunderstanding, or contradiction, or that the scriptures in the old testament are somehow negated by the new testament?

      how, precisely, is telling the truth about the divisive, bigoted, racist, malevolent nature of the abrahamic religions, warped?

      May 1, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • ;

      I merely pointed out that you are cherry picking from the text to support your point of view. Anything else you might have imagined is up to the voices in your head to fight over.
      But if you want to imagine that Christians must support slavery because of something in the Torah, hey you have fun with that.
      Cha cha cha 😉

      May 1, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
    • the AnViL™

      ok ";" so basically, all you're doing is demonstrating your ignorance.

      good work.

      May 1, 2013 at 7:38 pm |
    • ;

      I'm telling what I know, what is.

      You are guessing and telling what might be.
      You call them divisive as if having a standard is bad. Perhaps they should be like you and be all willy-nilly with what they stand for. That is a sign of maturity right?

      You say they are bigoted but you are on here making a vast generalization about a diverse group of people.

      I don't even get the racist angle since what the modern western world looks at as "race" doesn't apply to the people in the Torah.

      And on your use of malevolent, pure stupidity. The article here talks about something that could not be defined as malevolent. Another in a long list of failures on you.

      Cha, cha, cha!

      May 1, 2013 at 8:59 pm |
    • the AnViL™

      ";" once again spittled its ignorance out into the aether for all to see.

      "I'm telling what I know, what is."

      no – you're spittling ignorance. plain and simple. i never asserted that xians endorse slavery – i plainly stated that it's condoned in the bible. you accused me of cherry picking – yet you're unable to provide evidence of biblical scripture which may reject or rectify slavery. not surprising, since it doesn't exist.

      everything written on the subject in the old and new testament supports and sustains slavery.

      the entire point i was making is how it's hilarious that a pope is standing up against something clearly condoned and supported by xianity.

      "You are guessing and telling what might be."

      i've made no guesses – i've made well substantiated assertions which you are unable to refute.

      "You call them divisive as if having a standard is bad. Perhaps they should be like you and be all willy-nilly with what they stand for. That is a sign of maturity right?

      all monotheistic religions are divisive. us against them, jews against gentiles, forgiven against unrepentant, saved vs damned. you're stunted if you don't understand this, ignorant if you can't see it – and stupid for attempting to deflect.

      is willy-nilly a technical term? what does it mean? how have i displayed anything less than a wonderful standard of intolerance for religious idiocy? lol

      "You say they are bigoted but you are on here making a vast generalization about a diverse group of people. "

      monotheistic religions are predicate on bigotry. there's a whole demographic of americans being denied their constitutionally guaranteed right to equality based on religious bigotry, dumbass.

      "I don't even get the racist angle since what the modern western world looks at as "race" doesn't apply to the people in the Torah. "

      of course you don't get it – because you're ignorant. this is evidenced by your assertion that i was cherry picking. the bible is rife with racist ideology. wake the fuck up and hone your reading comprehension – then try actually reading the bible, moron.

      "And on your use of malevolent, pure stupidity. The article here talks about something that could not be defined as malevolent. Another in a long list of failures on you."

      of course the malevolence of xianity escapes you because of your already demonstrated ignorance.

      as you ignore the discrimination inherent in monotheism, or as you accept it as divine, the point of view which sees the malevolence is substantiated by over 6 million dead jews – all murdered at the hands of good xian nazis – supported by the rcc.

      of course – most xians don't see the glee and joy as divisive that xian zealots display when they assert the eternal damnation that they believe unbelievers will suffer...

      it's plain to anyone who isn't walking around with their head firmly planted up their ass that you're the one failing miserably.

      keep up the good work!

      May 1, 2013 at 9:58 pm |
  11. Trance

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxk9TvyJrs&w=640&h=360]

    May 1, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
  12. lionlylamb

    We are all found to be as slaves to human conditioning that steers away from calling it so.

    May 1, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
    • meifumado

      Slave to the metal!

      May 1, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      +

      And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

      Revelation 12:9

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • Science

      HS ,Bill Deacon and LL =

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/28/when-religious-beliefs-becomes-evil-4-signs/#comments

      May 1, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I spend my time reading His word and praying that all will come to see the truth and beauty of His word and the salvation within. Today is rent day and the trailer park landlord wanted payment so I spent most of the day on my knees and being carnal. I have repented so Satan cannot claim me for his own. Praise JESUS.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent was let out again today.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
  13. Sweet Dead Jew on a Stick

    And here I thought Frankie would have been given a butler by the name of jesus by now. Minimum wage in Buenos Aires might not be enough in Rome.

    May 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
  14. ANDRE (lucky one) HIMES

    ZEPHANIAH chapter three verse ten From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia , my suppliants,even the daughter of my dispersed shall bring mine offering , Isaiah chapter 18 In that time shall the present shall be brought unto the LORD of host of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hithero;a nation meted out and trodden under foot,whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of HOST ,the mount ZION.

    May 1, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
    • meifumado

      What?

      May 1, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
  15. Reality

    Catholics have slaves to the "Christ con" for 2000 Years. Specific details are available upon request.

    May 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • Reality

      Oops, make that "Catholics have been slaves to the "Christ con" for 2000 years."

      May 1, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Mark 7:5-23
      5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
      6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
      7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
      8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
      9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
      10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
      11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
      12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
      13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
      14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
      15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
      16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
      17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
      18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
      19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
      20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
      21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
      22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
      23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. (KJV)

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • Answer

      That is one hot steaming pile of manure of useless babble quotes.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • meifumado

      @ HS

      Whats your point?

      May 1, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      My point is ...

      And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

      Revelation 12:9

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
    • Science

      HS and the chucrh =

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/28/when-religious-beliefs-becomes-evil-4-signs/#comments

      May 1, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • Reality

      As with all NT passages, Mark 7: 5-23 has been thoroughly analyzed for historic authenticity by many contemporary NT scholars. Only Mark 7: 14-15 passes muster via a rigorous review. See for example, Professor Gerd Ludemann's analysis in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 47-49. See also

      ttp://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb056.html Mark 7: 6-7,

      http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb235.html Mark 7: 8-13,

      http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb236.html Mark 7: 17-23:

      Of course, one must also consider the following:

      JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694.

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Many contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?

      May 1, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

      Matthew 15:14

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Answer

      Dig one ditch, dig two ditches. Pretty soon you have more ditches than you can handle.

      -Croc5:1

      May 1, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • Reality

      Matt 15:14 = Luke 6:39

      As per Professor Gerd Ludemann's rigorous analysis: " There are no criteria for attributing this to Jesus......." p. 301 in his book Jesus After 2000 Years. See also: http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb080.html

      May 1, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
  16. STFU

    you can tell he is from latin America, always use scare tactics for socioeconomic issues

    May 1, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • Cambridge Ray

      Then you wonder why your party is on its way to extinction...

      May 1, 2013 at 4:36 pm |
  17. trollintraining

    I just checked the bible.
    It is okay for christians to have slaves, because they follow their own rules and do it right. It's wrong for anyone else to have slaves.
    I wonder what religion the factory owner claims .....

    May 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      If you really believe that then non wonder you're confused. Otherwise you are... a troll in training.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • trollintraining

      The bible DOES have guidelines as to how slavery should be done.
      Learn about your own religion Bill Deacon, or shut up.

      I'm not the one who thinks the bible is the flawless word of some god.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      There are truths to slavery in Biblical times. One being it was a way to pay off a debt. Today, the debt is paid off by throwing the person in prison. Another is that slavery in Biblical times is what we call employment today. You have to read the Scriptures with eyes to see (meaning to understand) to find the other reasons. Semantics. Nonbelievers can't get past semantics.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
    • ME II

      FYI
      "‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." – Lev 25:44-46

      May 1, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
    • trollintraining

      No, HeavenSent, you have it backwards.
      I'm reading the book correctly, you are the one twisting it to fit you preconceived conclusions.

      BTW – thank you ME II. I wasn't going to bother looking p the exact verse.

      May 1, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Actually trolling, those scriptures pertain to the Jews that were under the law.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
  18. ..

    Not really, Pope, since slave labor is found all over the OT, and God condoned it with his little rules about how to treat them fairly insted of condemning it altogether.

    May 1, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
  19. Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

    Freedom and rights goes against the bible. As for the katholic church....the evidence speaks for itself.

    May 1, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

      Proverbs 14:12

      Amen.

      May 1, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
    • Science

      Look who is back HS + BS = BS

      Peace

      May 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Get a life Tom no matter what dummy handle you're using.

      May 1, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • hal 9001

      Your assertions are correct, "Science". HS + BS does, in fact, equal BS.

      May 1, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Nothing new that the fool brigade is out in full force to bully. LOL.

      May 1, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • Science

      Thanks hal 9001

      Peace

      May 1, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

      Matthew 15:14

      Amen.+

      May 1, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
    • Science

      The ditch is yours HS.

      That means HS +BS = BS

      May 1, 2013 at 7:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Atheists hide behind science because they know not what they do.

      May 1, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
  20. A Conversation

    "Meanwhile, Pope Francis, speaking at a Mass on Wednesday, made reference to the building collapse in a sharp condemnation of worker exploitation and "slave labor."

    "Not paying a just (wage), not providing work, focusing exclusively on the balance books, on financial statements, only looking at making personal profit. That goes against God!"

    Here come the non sequitor (se.xual abuse) arguments...

    May 1, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • Science

      No fairy the pope should know that !

      May 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm |
    • Science

      Made easy

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/29/new-film-examines-science-vs-religion/comment-page-5/#comments

      May 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      But since you brought it up....I do wonder how many have fell victim to this particular pope

      May 1, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • trollintraining

      I won't mention the abuse then.
      However, it seems odd that a christian should make such anti-slavery statements.

      May 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Science

      Or the ......................

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/28/when-religious-beliefs-becomes-evil-4-signs/#comments

      May 1, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
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