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May 2nd, 2013
12:52 PM ET

Ex-NFL player's support for gay NBA player apparently costs him church appearance

By Dan Merica, CNN
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Washington (CNN) – LeRoy Butler, a former safety for the Green Bay Packers, is one of many professional athletes to tweet support for Jason Collins, the NBA player who came out as gay this week.

“Congrats to Jason Collins,” Butler tweeted April 29, the day Collins came out in a Sports Illustrated cover story.

But Butler says the four-word tweet cost him a speaking appearance at a Wisconsin church.

He was scheduled to speak at the church (whose name he has not revealed) about bullying and his new book, "The LeRoy Butler Story: From Wheelchair to the Lambeau Leap." That was until the church, according to Butler, told him he was no longer welcome because of his tweet in support of Collins.

"The pastor called me and that's when we got into the old, the whole religion thing about gay people and things of that nature and the conversation just went back and forth for us a couple of minutes," Butler told Anderson Cooper on Thursday.

After the exchange with the pastor, Butler took to twitter to express his frustration.

Butler later tweeted that “some parents went to the church and complained about my tweet” supporting Collins. The church, according to Butler, said that if the football player apologized, he would be allowed to speak.

"They basically said this, if you apologize, ask God for forgiveness and remove the tweet, you'll be able to do this speaking engagement with the kids," he said. "I won't do that. That's taking my dignity and respect away."

He continued: "I told the pastor, blame it on my mom because my mom brought me up to love everybody."

Butler recently tweeted that the church apologized for the incident and thanked him “for not releasing the church name.”

Butler played 11 years, from 1990 to 2001, with the Packers and helped them win a Super Bowl in 1997. He was a four-time All-Pro selection, the highest honor for a year of work in the NFL, and is credited with inventing the Lambeau Leap, the iconic touchdown celebration in which a Packer leaps into the Lambeau Field stands to celebrate with fans.

As for Butler's stance on gay athletes in professional sports, he said they have "support from straight guys like me that won't judge them."

"If we win a Super Bowl ring, I don't care who you bring to the ring ceremony, I just want to win the ring," Butler said. "That's what it's all about. ... Isn't that what it's all about? Winning the championship? Not who is in my bed when I turn the lights out."

Since retiring, Butler has been active in the Green Bay community, and his Facebook page chronicles appearances and speeches he has given to churches in the area.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Same-sex marriage

soundoff (3,002 Responses)
  1. skarphace

    Butler recently tweeted that the church apologized for the incident and thanked him “for not releasing the church name.”

    Why not? Why would the Church not want their name to be released? If they are not ashamed of their stance, then why would they not stand behind it?

    Why does it seem that too often bigotry begins in the Church?

    May 2, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
    • Mark From Middle River

      Depends on the church. There are LGBT churches in society and LGBT friendly churches as well. This guy could just go and give a speech at one of those.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Yes, that would be so very appropriate, since the gays and lesbians are the ones who are bullying others.

      He was invited to speak at the church.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
    • Akira

      I find it somewhat amusing that there seems to be a misconception as to what Vutler was hired to talk about. He was hired to talk about bullying. Nothing else.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
    • Akira

      *Butler.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
    • Jesus freaker

      Why does it seem that too often bigotry begins in the Church?

      Have you read their field manual?

      May 2, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
    • skarphace

      I have, JF. I spent many of my younger years going to Church (in fact, out of respect for my parents, I still do on occasion), and I even went to a Catholic High School.

      Jesus once made the following command: judge not, lest you be judged. However, Christians spend most of their time judging others. I saw the hypocracy first hand and could never truly consider myself a Christian because of it. I probably never will, although who knows what I will do when I see Death lurking in my shadow.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • just a bystander looking in

      The church makes a political statement by refusing to have their invited guest speak. And then Thanks the same person for not revealing their name. The church should not shy away from controversy, and should invite him back and discuss the issues of bullying (if they truly care about the issue). And should then apologize to him for their actions which, if not bullying, are surely tantamount to bullying. What a great opportunity to provide leadership to their congregation on the way this should have been handled by them, by the members of the congregation, and by all Christians. The church becomes irrelevant in the community when it fails in its mission to advocate the word of God, even if their interpretation is wrong.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:28 am |
    • Science

      just a bystander looking in..........................and the fairy in the sky is a big bully along with his partner the devil no ?

      May 3, 2013 at 5:26 am |
  2. Windrays

    "I told the pastor, blame it on my mom because my mom brought me up to love everybody."

    Good for him. I find it ironic that he was scheduled to speak on bullying, and now he can't for – by supporting Collins – defending a group that is, in fact, frequently bullied.

    May 2, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
    • skarphace

      In fact, the argument could be made that the Church was trying to bully Butler into apologizing for his tweet.

      Religious people: nature's hypocrites.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • lol??

      Gays are not an issue for the church. The doctrine:
      :Rom 1:23-24 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts...."

      A Christian wouldn't want to listen to their BS.

      May 2, 2013 at 11:01 pm |
  3. faith

    "William Demuth
    I suspect if I do see him, he will have an altar boy on his kness on front of him. Once a Palestinian Pedo. always a Palestinian Pedo.
    Well, we killed him once, so we can just do it again!
    William Demuth Because if they are distinct, and both Omnipotent, Gods creation of Christ would change nothing. Your premise is that God was inperfect before the existence of Christ, that Christ and his suffering somehow changed God? If God is omnipotent and perfect, he is immutable and can not change. Christ could teach him nothing, thus he served no puropse other than vanity. If Christ DID change God, than God was imperfect (and thus Christ was imperfect because imperfection can not create perfection)
    William Demuth So Robert Which is more divine, the God that tolerates sin, or the God who dosen't? Why worship the former and the latter? In fact, hasn't Christ deposed God, and essentially forced him into retirement, by forcing his moral values on the weaker and older God? Only one of the two can be correct and thus perfect Which one is?"

    lol

    just admit you're gay and move on

    May 2, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
  4. Donnie the Lion

    Less religion, more love, more understanding.

    If God exists, He's only been watching since day one. He has no plans for us. To think He does is ultimate egotism.

    May 2, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • lol??

      "1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

      May 2, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
  5. DRoss

    ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION gibberish!

    Can you formulate a coherent sentence that articulates a idea, thought, theory based on facts?

    May 2, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
    • ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      Historically they were the man gods of their time in Persia and Egypt, one can visit Azerbaijan and see, what kind of power they had in their times. But they are not doing bad, they can go and do what ever they want, a man and woman has no freedom to do. They are not looked upon as a nuance, but deserving of gift, even a poor person has not much to give them, but they will not deny them, what ever he can afford.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
  6. STFU

    If I have to say something good about Islam then it is their acceptance of gays and bis exuals community, hijras (cross-dressers) or khushras (bis exuals) are living with them for centuries,

    May 2, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
    • STFU

      agree, Mohammad, they have been living in Asia with respect and dignity, they showed up at the doors and never went empty hands,

      May 2, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
  7. DRoss

    If this Church or any church is going to start intimidating thier congregations by telling them who they can and can't associate with based on some warped Authoratative truth, then they better be prepared to be held accoutable to their own standards, if not, those pews are going to be empty on Sunday or any other holy day once the feeding frenzy begins and their members start going at each other.

    May 2, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
    • faith

      powerful warning god

      May 2, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
    • lol??

      Why don't you just show how well you run prisons before takin' on the civilians?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
  8. Jim

    My 13 year old kid just asked me why a kid that was gay was killed by a bunch of older kids who actually commented that he was going to hell. Did God not make gay people? Oh yeah, he made Adam and Eve but had nothing to do with gay people. Which is more real, Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden OR kids getting bullied to the point of suicide because of people that cannot accept others? That's the reality I see, not the stupid bible passages that don't even apply to this.

    May 2, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
    • .

      Diseased mindism, full of baloneyism, hind, liar, posts garbage as facts, liarism, is gay himself, ism, dirty goatism of muslim ass.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • faith

      what do you care?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
    • Dippy

      Bullshit ism!

      May 2, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
  9. T

    .................what a BUNCH OF LOSER, BACKWARD TARDS

    May 2, 2013 at 10:13 pm |
  10. j

    Gays are going to hell, the church was right.

    May 2, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
    • Observer

      j,

      Sure. Just like when it supported slavery and discrimination against women and the handicapped.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
    • faith

      who is it?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
  11. DRoss

    For the record; Atheism is not a religion. Belief is not exclusively spiritual or religious; never has been; never will be.

    May 2, 2013 at 10:09 pm |
    • faith

      what an idiot

      May 2, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
  12. DRoss

    Did anyone else catch the hypocrisy. This church calls him out on sending a supportive tweet. Mind you, he's not gay. They try to bully him into thier idea Christianity, the very thing that he was being ask to speak about. In other words they wanted to use him and could care less about bullying. To add insult to injury, they were thankful that he did not use thier name in his comments. He did call them out by name, but he could have. In other words they did not want to stand behind their own moral superiority. I am not a Christian. But it makes me wonder, what is the moral of this actual story? Who is the real Christian? Who has values, morals and integrity?

    May 2, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
    • Austin

      Did you steal from the neighbors garage? Thats cool I support that. Did you shoot up with heroin? Thats cool I support that.

      Did you molest the nieghbor? Did you screw your dog too? Did you lie? Did you cheat? Did you sin?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:09 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Austin, you idiot. Everything you listed infringes on someone's rights or is inhumane. You're such a dolt. Being gay doesn't hurt anyone and it isn't a crime.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
    • lol??

      The pastor has SOME duty to protect the attendees. Can't have em mobbed by a gay protest in da street. Their attorney and insurance corp most likely gave them a reminder.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • Austin

      it hurts the person who is gay. duh. being outside of God's will as a lifestyle is a horrible terrible place to be.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Says who? What the fvck do you know about what a gay person thinks, Austin? You don't get to decide what is right for others, you moron. You can't even figure out what is real and what's a delusion. Shut up and mind your own damn business.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • I'm 45, still live with my parents, and hate gays

      I'm with Austin on this one.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Have you erected giant signs in your yard and had dreams about ABOVE GROUND POOLS and dead cats?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
  13. Bob

    Just more proof that religion is the number one cause of hate and suffering in the world. Look at all the worst of places on the planet and you'll see its where religion is most integral to people's lives. I see people on these boards point their fingers and say "Well they're Muslims, so they must be terrorists" not realizing they're being hypocritical in how they treat anyone outside their specific church sphere as second-class citizens. The Founding Fathers may have mostly been church goers (they had no choice, they were raised that way) but even they knew that most early problems were caused by religious persecution and they made sure that the U.S. had a clear separation of Church and State in an attempt to reduce the power (and harm) religion can have on our country. Unfortunately we have the right-wing idiots trying to undo that great heritage and inject religious nonsense into government again.

    May 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
    • Austin

      ya religion is bad including the atheism religion. Every deviation from the authoritative truth about the resurrection and salvation is a dead religion and brings suffering, both separation from God, and spiritual condemnation. Eternal.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
    • DrJStrangepork

      @Austin
      You keep calling Atheism a religion, but it just isn't. Yes there is an agenda by atheist groups to either be in your face about denying religion or to just spread reasonable discourse, but it isn't a religion. I don't expect you reach out to atheists to understand their differing points of view, but you should try.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:15 pm |
    • Austin

      I think when it comes to simple morals, there is nothing wrong with citing God as the reason for the standard. Such as issues like gay marriage and abortion? what reason aside from God, would one have to object to gay marriage ? I really cant think of one besides the idea that God had a plan, and Gay marriage was a slap in the face to that plan. So is divorce, so is atheism. So is taking God out of science and education. God and the resurrection are the one true fact that should be proclaimed in schools everywhere. Everyone deserves salvation and to take hold of eternal life through Christ.

      Who is the coward that knows this and understands the importance and thinks otherwise. Its disrespectful to approve of the dilution of education by removing the truth about God, His creation ( you ), and His plan. His redemptive plan.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
    • lol??

      What good is it to escape the power of corrupt churches and turn around and give that power to the gubmint? You're doomed.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
    • Observer

      Austin,

      "God as the reason for the standard. Such as issues like gay marriage and abortion?"

      God NEVER talked about abortion. If you are going to use the Bible to pick on others, don't you think you should actually read it sometime?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Stupid POS. There's a good reason for the separation of church and state. Religious instruction doesn't belong in the public schools, which are funded by the taxes we all pay. If you think your kid needs religious instruction, then you should provide it at home, in church, or in a private religious school. It has no place in a public school.

      It's fine to teach about religious beliefs as long as it's in a comparative religion class. Worship and inculcation of religious belief is not acceptable in a public school.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
    • Mark From Middle River

      Wow, that's a bunch of Atheist anthem there 🙂

      The source of hate and suffering in the world comes from the clear grab for power and resources from one person to another. We have people slaughtering entire villages for water rights alone. Blood diamonds and precious metals..... Have you checked the news out of the Arctic. With the ice melting and potential access to oil, you now have countries .... major countries building up their arctic naval fleets. Just to get at the oil. Think about it, Canada is arming for combat for oil.

      The worst places in the world can be found right here in America. We have gang drug wars where they have killed entire families just for reporting to the police that there was a drug house on their street. We have officials being bribed and even killed.

      In the end, I am not saying that Religion has not paid its part but, at the same time I know that it is just a group of humans. Same as other groups and capable of great good and great harm. The same could be said about any group..including our own military.

      So you will have to offer a bit more proof than a bias rant.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • faith

      sounds like a bigoted hell fire brimstone southern good ol boy preacher

      May 2, 2013 at 10:29 pm |
    • Austin

      I understand that there is corruption and the taking of God's name in vain. Is there anywhere in the bible though that speaks of the separation of God and government? God has given us his prophetic word, and we know that Satan will run his course and world domination. However, this does not give us a reason to "remove" biblical truth from government. just because there was corruption does not mean a Christian should give up and take a seat to the secular satanic rule.

      There is no separation of God and life. God has all authority. He simply allows the corruption of secular dominace as He calls his kingdom, but I for one will never submit to the seperation of anything from God. Church, is different than God.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
    • Observer

      Austin,

      "There is no separation of God and life.'

      Nonsense. If there was no separation we'd still have slavery and discrimination against women and the handicapped just like the Bible says.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Nobody cares whether you "submit" or not, you dip wad. You can do as you wish as long as you aren't infringing on my rights. The same is true for others. You don't get to force your beliefs on others, including children, in a public school. If you want your god in the schools, then move to another country.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
    • Austin

      Good call Mark from middle river.

      Ok about the abortion and the bible. I understand that abortion is not so much of a topic in the bible. Do you really think God created the birth canal for abortion? That is not what that is.

      Do you think there is conception so you can screw and get rid of it? oops.........brain malfunction.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
    • The real Tom

      And again, you don't get it. You don't have any say over what others do with their bodies as long as they are not infringing on they legal rights of others. I doubt any woman will ever ask your opinion about abortion, Austin. I doubt any woman would ask you the time of day if you had a watch and every other clock in the universe was broken.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
    • Observer

      Austin,

      If God cared all that much about fetuses, he wouldn't have killed every one of them on the face of the earth at one time.

      If you are going to pick-and-choose from the bible, why not pick the Golden Rule? That would help everyone.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
    • Austin

      if there was a christian country i would move there. in a heart beat.

      ◄ Matthew 5:13 ►
      "You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

      Matthew 5:14 ►

      "You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden.

      there is a reason there is not a concentration of Christians in one place. Look at moses and Joseph, fish out of water.

      The beast, the Anti Christ, is a system, a satanic world system, that is a movement, before the actual anti-christ arrives. This is a "secular system" . As a Christian, I will never submit to this idea as a good standard, or condone a secular government or system.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • The real Tom

      No, you wouldn't, you little clown. You wouldn't have mommy and daddy nearby to bail you out of trouble if you moved away.

      You're such a liar.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • Austin

      The "freedom of religion" is not a God inspired law. If it was we would have seen this insti.tuted into Judaism . This is the submission to the devils plan of deceiving the world.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Tough noogies, Austin. In this country, people don't have to believe in your idea of a god. Too bad if you don't like it.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • Austin

      You are right, there is no reason due to the disasterous numbers to hide in a Christian country. Jesus Christ is the God and King of spiritual life. Counties and languages are beneath the resurrected Lord. There is really just one world.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
    • Observer

      Austin,

      Discrimination against gays.
      Support for slavery.
      Discrimination against women.
      Discrimination against the handicapped.

      How many of these positions by God in the Bible do you support? All?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
    • Austin

      I missed your sweet words real Tom, you sweet thang.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
    • The real Tom

      You're sounding even nuttier and more delusional than ever. Must have been to a big church meeting with fire and brimstone preachin' and testifyin', Austin.

      When are you going to start speaking in tongues and handling snakes?

      I especially get a chuckle out of your declaration that you "won't submit to a secular government." It's hilarious. You live in a secular nation that does, in fact, have a separation between church and state. You live in a nation that bases its laws on the preservation of individual freedom to be left alone, to do as one wishes. You live in a country that doesn't subscribe to one religious belief for all.

      What do you think you're going to do about it?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Hey, Austin, I posted an idea for you. Here's how you can show your immense concern for Collins's "soul": go visit him and tell him he's going to hell for his "lifestyle."

      We'll all visit you in the hospital ICU.

      May 2, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • Austin

      God did not discriminate against people. He had rules against sin. He also had a leadership role for men. Jesus is God, He was in the form of a man. Why was He not a woman?

      If a woman can't allow a man to be a leader, maybe she cant follow God either. If man cant submit to God, maybe he cant use his leadership position without taking advantage of his role.

      Sin is sin. God does not discriminate from one sin to another. Quit playing god and acting like you can tell God what his moral standard should be.

      Gay people have a problem . I have my own problems. I don't discriminate. I dont act like my problems should be acceptable either. I atleast keep repentance as the goal. since Jesus is resurrected, we have the ability to overcome sin.

      ◄ Revelation 3:21 ►

      To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

      May 2, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
    • Observer

      Austin

      "God did not discriminate against people."

      Again, why not read a Bible? For instance, God commanded that he didn't want disfigured people in his church. He specifically didn't want men with crushed testicles in his church.

      Read the Golden Rule. It's "what the law and the prophets are all about".

      May 2, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
  14. Ahappyfarmer

    I'm with the church on this one. How can you go up in a church and stand for something the church is against. Not only the church but God. Good job church standing with your morals.

    May 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
    • DRoss

      Then you are on the wrong side! This idea that just because an edifice is a Church builiding does not equate to values or morals. They broke a contract. The topic of his speech is bullying the very thing they tried to do to him. Then they audacity to not stand behing their own words and actions. Where is their integrity?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
    • Akira

      Um...because he wasn't going to talk about being gay...because he isn't?
      Supporting a friend is against Christian tenants, now?
      Look. The church can do what they want. But he has a right to speak his mind about it, also. So, he did. End of story.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
    • Austin

      All people need support and love, but not the support to continue down a path of sin. An alcoholic has a disease, a genetic predisposition. Do we encourage them to drink?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
    • The real Tom

      You are comparing alcoholism to s3xual orientation? You never get any, do you, Austin. It shows. It's useless to explain to you yet again that people do not choose to be attracted to someone of the same gender. They simply are.

      You don't get to decide what is right for people when they are not infringing on the rights of others. Mind your own fvcking business.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:35 pm |
  15. robert

    hypocrisy

    May 2, 2013 at 9:58 pm |
  16. robert

    religion = hipocracy

    May 2, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
    • Ahappyfarmer

      The rest of the world= hipocracy

      May 2, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
    • lol??

      Let me guess. You work for the gubmint.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
  17. wegotthebeats

    Good for Leroy Butler for sticking to his guns. Being gay is not immoral. In fact, it's not a moral issue at all. It is a minority variation of birth, just like red hair and left-handedness (which were also persecuted by fools misusing the bible in the past.)

    What is immoral is mistreating God's children because you don't understand them. And there are a lot more bible passages about loving your neighbor and bearing false witness against your neighbor than the alleged "gay clobber passages."

    Get it together, people. Jesus would not want you to act like bigots.

    May 2, 2013 at 9:43 pm |
    • Jim

      nicely stated.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
    • lol??

      So you libs don't wanna give up your guns, either? That spells trouble on the river.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:52 pm |
    • sapman

      I agree with you 100% Much to Mr.Butler's credit he did not disclose the church or denomination that was involved. It is sad that we continue to be so closed minded and ignorant when we should be acknowledging all of God's people in community.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
    • Salero21

      But of course Jesus wants no one acting like bigots, neither He wants anyone acting ho-mo-se-xual or acting as an Adulterer, Fornicator, Ra-pist, Murderer, Thief or as an Idolater.

      That's why He said that in the beginning God His Father, made [Created] them Male and Female. Since Jesus was at the Beginning with God in Creation and also was with God His Father in the giving of the Law in Mt. Sinai He knew what he was talking about.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
    • Akira

      I love misdirection and false imput. Lol?? Is the master at it.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
    • Jim

      Too bad when somebody has a decent moment, a moron sends back a thoughtless response. II think the right-wingers have their C-team here tonight. I'm a gun advocate AND a gay-right advocate because I' believe in freedom. Organized religion helps make sure you conform to THEIR beliefs and don't have your own. LOL – it's apparent that you don't have anything interesting to say.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:06 pm |
    • Observer

      Salero21,

      Jesus also said that anyone divorcing and remarrying was an adulterer unless their spouse was already an adulterer.

      See any Chrisitan HYPOCRITES making an issue of their own adulterers in church?

      May 2, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
    • lol??

      Observer it's hard to say what marriage is since the beastie servants took over and claimed authority.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
  18. Pop Gun

    Why should a church be tax free ?
    Don't they get enough donations from their supporters ?
    Who came up with this stupid idea ?

    Wanna know the answer ?
    The Church.
    When you have enough power and influence on people,
    you have power and influence on governments.

    America was supposed to be different.
    The shiny beacon to the rest of the world is in danger
    of being taken over by .........YUP......Christians !

    You "Christians" are not happy to live your lives, and worship your god,
    You are trying to impose it on the rest of us.

    The response........................NO !

    May 2, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
    • lol??

      You're confused. Jocks=supporters, not little ol' ladies makin' apple pie.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • crazyvermont

      We take so many cuts at the christian church yet rarely see anyone take on Islam, which also has tax free status, and makes substantial demands for their rights in schools, in work place etc. Guess it's not politically correct to discuss them:)

      May 2, 2013 at 9:54 pm |
    • Mark From Middle River

      Why should the Church be Tax Free? If you open the door to question one organization's tax exempt status you have to be able to question other tax exempt organizations. From the Boy and Girl Scouts to Planned Parenthood and even workers unions. Each time you challenge one that you do not like there is another group challenging one that you do like. Also, most Tax Exempt groups such as unions, planned parenthood and similar receive donations from their members as well.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
  19. Ross

    Gotta give this guy kudos for his loyalty and bravery.

    May 2, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
    • lol??

      Thank you. I'll recommend you to my pal Rick.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
  20. lol??

    Rick Warren has installed Purpose Driven Pews to help Pew Research do a better job at getting feedback from the se*xually challenged crowd. Results are due in later this year.

    May 2, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
    • Akira

      Lovely. Provide a link, please, and explain what "sexually challenged" means. I think you're making this up.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:57 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Akira, Loopy Lolly still hasn't provided any statistics that refute those you posted about the number of Christian women having abortions. Don't hold your breath. She's long on blather and short on brains and pretty much everything else.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
    • lol??

      Akira, in some churches you get front row seats if you're current on yer ti*thing. That is no joke. Watching people week to week you can tell how their business is doing. And cheer! Yeahhh!! He's back to me!

      May 2, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Akira asked for a source, lolly. Not more blather and bluster.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:13 pm |
    • Akira

      Well, I just have to say that I think deliberately lying isn't the sign of integrity, Tom.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
    • lol??

      PEWS, joke, ladies. Now laugh, that's an order sayz Caesar.

      May 2, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
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