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May 2nd, 2013
12:52 PM ET

Ex-NFL player's support for gay NBA player apparently costs him church appearance

By Dan Merica, CNN
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Washington (CNN) – LeRoy Butler, a former safety for the Green Bay Packers, is one of many professional athletes to tweet support for Jason Collins, the NBA player who came out as gay this week.

“Congrats to Jason Collins,” Butler tweeted April 29, the day Collins came out in a Sports Illustrated cover story.

But Butler says the four-word tweet cost him a speaking appearance at a Wisconsin church.

He was scheduled to speak at the church (whose name he has not revealed) about bullying and his new book, "The LeRoy Butler Story: From Wheelchair to the Lambeau Leap." That was until the church, according to Butler, told him he was no longer welcome because of his tweet in support of Collins.

"The pastor called me and that's when we got into the old, the whole religion thing about gay people and things of that nature and the conversation just went back and forth for us a couple of minutes," Butler told Anderson Cooper on Thursday.

After the exchange with the pastor, Butler took to twitter to express his frustration.

Butler later tweeted that “some parents went to the church and complained about my tweet” supporting Collins. The church, according to Butler, said that if the football player apologized, he would be allowed to speak.

"They basically said this, if you apologize, ask God for forgiveness and remove the tweet, you'll be able to do this speaking engagement with the kids," he said. "I won't do that. That's taking my dignity and respect away."

He continued: "I told the pastor, blame it on my mom because my mom brought me up to love everybody."

Butler recently tweeted that the church apologized for the incident and thanked him “for not releasing the church name.”

Butler played 11 years, from 1990 to 2001, with the Packers and helped them win a Super Bowl in 1997. He was a four-time All-Pro selection, the highest honor for a year of work in the NFL, and is credited with inventing the Lambeau Leap, the iconic touchdown celebration in which a Packer leaps into the Lambeau Field stands to celebrate with fans.

As for Butler's stance on gay athletes in professional sports, he said they have "support from straight guys like me that won't judge them."

"If we win a Super Bowl ring, I don't care who you bring to the ring ceremony, I just want to win the ring," Butler said. "That's what it's all about. ... Isn't that what it's all about? Winning the championship? Not who is in my bed when I turn the lights out."

Since retiring, Butler has been active in the Green Bay community, and his Facebook page chronicles appearances and speeches he has given to churches in the area.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Same-sex marriage

soundoff (3,002 Responses)
  1. Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

    lol?? = HeavenSent

    May 3, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Another dummy handle to back up a big ego who refuses to take responsibility for their thoughts, words, deeds. How original. NOT.

      May 4, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
  2. Yes, thank you for not telling Church's Name so they could be SHAMED

    Apparently they're so ashamed they're worried their name might get out.

    THEN EVERYONE WOULD KNOW THEY'RE HORRIBLE HYPOCRITICAL HATEFUL CHRISTIANS. Oh wait, that's rather redundant, isn't it – since THEY ALL FRUCKING ARE!

    May 3, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • marine1

      All?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • lol??

      Kill em all and let God sort em out. What a plan! Sounds like an abortion of a plan.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      You say abortion like it is a bad thing???????????????????

      May 3, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Something smells fishy. I can't believe some intrepid reporter hasn't sniffed it out.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • SAMBO

      IT WAS AMOSQUE

      May 3, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Kala

      Let's have your real name so you can be shamed for your own hatefulness.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • derp

      aaaaaaaaaaaaaah......caps-lock........it hurts the eyes............aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.......my eyes!

      May 3, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
  3. Over 40,000 denominations of insanity

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one (over 4,000,000 members) in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.

    One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".

    One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    Some believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ. Some believe Obama is the Anti-Christ.

    Some believe that celibacy is the only option for certain people, or for people in certain positions. Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but pretend not to understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease.

    In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of Lutheran CMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.

    Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create more extreme divisions as time goes by, constantly subjecting others in its crossfire.

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    (Thomas Jefferson, from Notes on the State of Virginia, 1785)

    May 3, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
    • lol??

      You related to mama (k)onflicted, the poster?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • Science

      Free speech helps educate the masses................POLITICIANS too !!!

      Where do morals come from?

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/12/where-do-morals-come-from/#comments

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      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm

      Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

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      Dinosaur Egg Study Supports Evolutionary Link Between Birds and Dinosaurs: How Troodon Likely Hatched Its Young

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      And NO ANGELS the pope KICKED them OFF the TEAM last year !

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life

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      the wrong path is Adam and Eve !

      Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought

      Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.

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      No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US

      Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.

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      Ancient DNA Reveals Europe's Dynamic Genetic History

      Apr. 23, 2013 — Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7,500 years old has been used to reconstruct the first detailed genetic history of modern Europe.

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      Good stuff !

      The fact...............the earth is to old for this nonsemse ! Time to EVOLVE !

      Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle

      Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm

      For what...................... ? Make sure to read what the pope said !

      Where do morals come from?

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/

      Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.

      Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’

      Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
      bears his name as the “God particle.”

      http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/

      Pope praises science, but insists God created world updated Thur October 28, 2010
      Stephen Hawking is wrong, Pope Benedict XVI said Thursday – God did create the universe. The pope didn't actually mention the world-famous scientist, who argues in a book published last month that the laws of physics show there is no need for a supreme... \

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      Science

      Heaven is 'a fairy story,' scientist Stephen Hawking says updated Tue May 17, 2011
      By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor The concept of heaven or any kind of afterlife is a "fairy story," famed British scientist Stephen Hawking said in a newspaper interview this week. "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when...

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/17/heaven-is-a-fairy-story-scientist-stephen-hawking-says/

      April 7th, 2012

      08:32 PM ET

      The Jesus debate: Man vs. myth

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/07/the-jesus-debate-man-vs-myth/comment-page-137/#comment-2281915

      Make sure to read comments

      April 18, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Report abuse |

      Breaking News

      NASA: Three planets found are some of best candidates so far for habitable worlds outside our solar system.

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      May 3, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Report abuse | Reply

      May 3, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
  4. ThankYou

    " the church apologized for the incident and thanked him 'for not releasing the church name [so they can continue their way hiding in shame]'"

    May 3, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • brian

      Exactly right. If the church is so convinced of its righteousness, it should "come out of the closet" and identify itself.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • lol??

      So you can riot in the streets just like in Sodom?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • oOo

      Keep your playtoys (mythology) in the sandbox lol?? keep pounding.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
    • Science

      As I traverler to Wisconsin.................not good for the state either ?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • lol??

      Snake eyes, the more you squirm in YOUR quicksand the faster you sink.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Science

      lol?? you can now go SPLAT !!!

      May 3, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
  5. Argo

    A church doesn't have to pay money to anyone it doesn't want to. They thought they were getting a certain product but the realized it was not what they were expecting.

    Gays are the bigots, they are the hate filled ones. Only a small percentage will even get married; most are just using the issue as an excuse for future extortionist activities or as a retroactive justification (aka delusion) for acts of sociopathy they have already perpetuated.

    May 3, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Observer

      Argo,

      The "hate filled ones" are the Christians who say gays should do exactly as they say or else deserve to burn in hell for eternity.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • camster

      Right. You say it's the gays are the bigots and haters, as you then proceed to pronounce them all sociopaths.

      LOL. Do you even read what you wiite?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • lol??

      Wrong Observer, they have already been given up. They are not a concern to the church.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
    • sam

      Oh boy, someone's got an axe to grind. Come on, now, tell us all about the gay person who was mean to you once and has caused you all this angst.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Troll

      May 3, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • Argo

      Observer,

      In my experience I have not met Christians who insist that anyone do "exactly as they say." On the other hand, nearly all of the creepy/controlling people I have met were gays.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • Argo

      Very funny – an axe to grind? Project much?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • IrishinToronto

      Sounds like someone didn't get invited to the Gay prom!

      May 3, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • Argo

      Haha! No kidding Irish, if they had lives do you think they'd spend time obsessing over what some random church is doing?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • meifumado

      Gay's cannot be hate filled.

      Gay means happy!

      May 3, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • Observer

      Argo,

      You have not read comments by Christians like HeavenSent on here.

      Whether verbal or not, that is the bottom line for Christianity's position on this matter. It's still the "elephant in the room". Pretending it's not reality for Christians won't change a thing.

      Speaking of "controlling", tell us how you want to control who gets married.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • sam

      Argo – Irish was talking about you. We're all very sorry you didn't get invited to gay prom. Just because other boys make you tingly in your bathing suit area is no reason to go throwing tantrums on CNN to show how manly you are.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Argo

      Observer,

      This is part of what I mean – I am not quite sure that you are in a position to speak for all of Christianity. It would be like me saying "Whether verbal or not, the bottom line for gays' position on this matter is to stop at nothing less than unfettered access to the a** of every man woman and child with no consequences legal or otherwise. It's still the 'elephant in the room.' Pretending it's not reality for gays won't change a thing."

      As far as "control" over marriage – it should be done through the legal system.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Observer

      Argo,

      "bottom line for gays' position on this matter is to stop at nothing less than unfettered access to the a** of every man woman and child with no consequences legal or otherwise.

      Millions of heteros engage in sodomy and there are likely more hetero pedophiles than gays.

      Do some research sometime so you won't make such one-sided ignorant statements.

      May 3, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • Argo

      Observer,

      I've evidently made my point. I have nothing left to say.

      May 3, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • Observer

      Argo

      "I've evidently made my point. I have nothing left to say."

      Yes. Your message is clear. You were completly unable to refute my statements.

      Start doing some research.

      May 3, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @Argo

      Yes, a private club that discusses stupid philosophy has a right to invite or disinvite whomever they will based on their rules or whims.

      No, gays are generally not bigots, though certainly some are; however, MOST Christians I have encountered, especially on the internet are extreme bigots and absolute hypocrites. They make me overjoyed that I am not of their mindset and have very little in common with their rationality.

      May 3, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • sam

      "I have nothing left to say."

      Please let that be true.

      May 3, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
  6. coggs

    The Gay jihad won't be denied! Accept our self proclaimed victim group or be destroyed.

    May 3, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • Chris Hogan

      Actually, I find it more than a little ironic, that the same "christians" who rushed to support Chick Fil A's FREE SPEECH for being anti-gay, are now attacking the free speech of someone who dared to challenge them. LOL.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • Sam

      Well with these blogs it's easy to spot the bigots. Make sure and tell all your friends the same things and post the same on your facebook so everyone knows which prejudiced bigots we should treat as second class citizens.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • lol??

      Bigot Spotter Alert!!

      Knows all, sees all!

      May 3, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • oOo

      I forgot we installed a mirror in your sandbox, lol?? keep pounding.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
    • coggs

      Yes indeedy.. you are a hateful bunch. A shame that whole freedom of religion thing doesn't force Churches to accept you gross hobbies. Tsk tsk

      May 3, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
    • oOo

      If Christianity had one voice on the issue that would make you comfy, coggs, right? Alas, you are a conflicted mass of hypocrites.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • coggs

      Oh my oOo are you having a tizzy fit?

      Not confused, nor a hypocrite, nor a bigot. You are just angry that not everyone digs your nasty little habits. You can't force us. You won't.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • oOo

      Of course no one can force you, coggs. But the laws will change in the U.S. as they are now also rapidly changing around the world. If you want to stay in your cave as Lot with his wholesome daughters, by all means – have at it.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • sam

      Oh coggs, I'm sure you have plenty of 'nasty habits'. Like thinking about gay sex more than gays do. Fuck off, you little creeper.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • lol??

      EEEEeeewwww, snake eyes is appealing to law! That won't get you out of the quicksand.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Coggs

      @sam – ROFL yowza. Now heres the real hate. Sorry hombre I don't do your nasty thing You are on your own. But on the bright side your parents were right.. you really do suck

      May 3, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • Coggs

      oOo, keep deluding yourself. Most of us think your fung shui just ain't the way. Ponder that in the ole bathouse later.

      May 3, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • sam

      Does your mommy know you're on the computer without her permission? That's the only way I can explain why your speech patterns and sad little attempts at rebuttal are on the level of a 12 year old. Run along and get some juice and cookies, sweetie.

      May 3, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • coggs

      Sweetie? Ut-Oh ..... Awkward . Too late to sweet talk me now you hussy you. The old "you must be12 year old schtick?" Tsk Tsk. Too many flamboyant tropical drinkys and ecstacy for sammy at the tranny club has made him a dull boy. No wonder the folks don't like you.

      May 3, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
  7. John

    What a classy guy. I mean, charging $8,500 to speak at a church? What a loser.

    May 3, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • Madtown

      Exactly. Anyone in business should never charge for their services. All businesses should produce for free.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • meifumado

      The fact that he is a Christian and was asked to speak at this church ,he should feel honored and not charge them if he was a good Christian.This lacks morals that you Christians say you have .
      As an atheist if I was asked to speak at someplace that was close to my heart I would not accept payment, I would be very flattered to have been asked.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Meif, I'm sure your employer will be delighted to hear it.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      What does meif's statement have to do with his employment situation?

      May 3, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Butler is a professional speaker. It's his job.

      May 3, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
  8. Jim

    Some Christians here think they are just expressing their difference of opinion. A difference of opinion is "Hey, I think we should increase taxes" and "I think we should lower taxes". When it comes to gay rights however it is not a difference of opinion but a matter of one group denying owed rights to a minority group based on nothing but religious views which is what our constltution is there for, to protect the rights of the minority from a prejudiced majority in a democracy. This is not giving "new" rights to any group, it's enforcing the rights already given our gay brothers and sisters in the declaration of independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." All we are now doing is recognizing our fellow citizens as such, fellow "men" as it were, who have been owed these rights from the start but have been blocked by the bigoted many much like civil rights had been for so long.

    If you don't like gay marriage then don't get gay married, but don't you dare stand in the way of another citizens rights just because your brand of invisible man in the sky finds it icky.

    May 3, 2013 at 11:37 am |
    • lol??

      Who's doin' all the standin' in the path of fathers' rights?

      May 3, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • oOo

      Well said.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • clyde

      Don't re-define marriage.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • Observer

      Clyde,

      Marriage has been redefined many times. Not too long ago it was defined to be "within the same race".

      May 3, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • oOo

      clyde, unless civil law which includes ADVANTAGES of one citizen or couple over the other is not separated from that term, then the term must and WILL be expanded. It seems public opinion, the nation and the world are going in the direction of the latter; best get used to it.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • lol??

      By the usurpers in gubmint, Observer?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • oOo

      You know where the sandbox is, lol?? Keep pounding.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      @Jim – very well said

      May 3, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
    • clyde

      Thatd be your people that defined it by race, not mine observer. We the people continue to vote you down. Good luck with your hate.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • Observer

      clyde,

      clyde

      "Thatd be your people that defined it by race, not mine observer. We the people continue to vote you down. Good luck with your hate"

      "My people" have never been racists. Your mindless statement has just made a fool of you. Cut out the brainless hatred.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • clyde

      @observer Sorry my d-baggish friend, you were the one that brought it up. And I set the record straight. Sucks to be you any day I would imagine. But today especailly

      May 3, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Observer

      clyde,

      You have my sympathy. It must be really tough to be so ignorant of facts. It must be tough to see another state now supporting gay marriage. Bigotry is being destroyed by education.

      Your juvenile name-calling and mindless claims of racism just show a huge lack of maturity.

      Grow up. kid.

      May 3, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • clyde

      @observer. Yes, just because your own statements condemn you is all my fault. You are right people are being educated. They are figuring out the gay agenda driven hate and pc stupidity first hand. Save some of that "pity" for yourself , you'll need it.

      May 3, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
  9. disqus banned narfzort

    it's too bad he didn't disclose the name of the church. but i guess some people have more class than bible thumpers.

    May 3, 2013 at 11:34 am |
  10. Bryan Hudson

    He should go speak at gay churches. There's lot's of them these days. He can take Collins with him.

    May 3, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • Kathby

      Yiu totally missed the point. butter s pure cass..the church, not so much.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:52 am |
  11. PushingBack

    LeRoy Butler...you have earned my respect and a lot of other folks!

    May 3, 2013 at 11:26 am |
  12. Ed

    I applaud Butler for not caving to those Bible-thumpers.

    However, charging to speak to children ($8500!) is just sad (unless there's a factor I don't know about, such as the money being ear-marked for a bona fide charity and provision for children of less affluent families to attend).

    May 3, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • lol??

      Impulse Control, Major Ed. Call Houston.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:28 am |
    • oOo

      Pound sand, "lol??" Christianity is conflicted enough via chatty cathy Paul without the help of your diarrhea mouth.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:41 am |
    • lol??

      snake eyes,
      wiki sayz, ".........Caving—also occasionally known as spelunking in the United States and Canada and potholing in the United Kingdom and Ireland—is the recreational pastime............" Where the Big O worked the streets there were plenty of potholes. Legalize em ya little creep.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:46 am |
  13. eurekadog

    Quit whining in public. It's embarrassing.

    May 3, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • ellid

      How is it whining if one stands up to bigotry? Please explain, as I don't understand.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:32 am |
  14. cindy

    Jesus was about love and forgiveness. These "religious" people give Christianity a bad name like with the jihadists and the peaceful Muslims.

    May 3, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • Tim

      What, exactly, do you think gay people have to be forgiven for? Do you forgive people for left-handed? Bible says a whole lot more negative stuff about that than being gay.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:17 am |
    • Topher

      Such as?

      May 3, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Those who follow the true word of Christ will be laughing from up in Heaven while the southpaws fry forever.
      Better start using that right hand before Jugement Day or you'll be sorry!
      Remember that you have the choice not to act on your wicked left-handedness and live a Godly life.

      "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left."
      – Ecclesiastes 10:2
      "The right hand of the lord doeth valiantly, the right hand of the lord is exalted."
      – Psalm 118 vv15,16

      May 3, 2013 at 11:26 am |
    • Topher

      Really? Those things are a matter of position. For instance, Jesus sat at the right hand of the Father. On Judgment Day, the sheep will go to the right while the "goats" go to the left. They aren't saying being left handed is a sin and it certainly doesn't say a "lot of negative stuff." On the flip-side, however, it does say bad things are going to happen to h.omose.xuals (unrepentant sinners.) The won't inherit the kingdom of Heaven, etc. So you guys just make stuff up to justify your hat.red?

      May 3, 2013 at 11:35 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Topher
      Are you referring to the Corinthians list of vices?
      We've had the discussion about translation many times.
      In the original Greek, the terms used in Corinthian's list of vices that are sometimes translated as "hom-ose.xual" are 'malakoi' and 'ar.senkoitai'.
      AR.SENKOTAI – Has been translated as "abusers of themselves with mankind" (KJV), "se.xual per.verts" (RSV), "sodo.mites" (NKJV, NAB, JB, NRSV), those "who are guilty of hom.ose.xual per.version" (NEB), "men who lie with males" (Lamsa), "behaves like a hom.ose.xual" (CEV), "men who have se.xual relations with other men" (NCV), and "ho.mose.xual offenders" (NIV). The New American Bible (Roman Catholic) translated ar.senokoitai as "practicing hom.ose.xuals". After much protest, the editors agreed to delete this term and replace it with "sodo.mites" in subsequent editions.
      'Ar.senokoitai' referred to male prosti.tutes for Paul and Christians until the 4th century.
      MALAKOI – Literally means "soft" or "males who are soft". This word has been translated as "ef.feminate" (KJV), "hom.ose.xuals" (NKJV), "corrupt" (Lamsa), "per.verts" (CEV), "catamites" which means call boys (JB), "those who are male prosti.tutes" (NCV), and "male prost.itutes." (NIV, NRSV). Until the Reformation in the 16th century and in Roman Catholicism until the 20th century, malakoi was thought to mean "mas.turb.ators." Only in the 20th century has it been understood as a reference to hom.ose.xuality.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • StevenR

      And the same versus cited as being against gays also are the ones that state the food purity laws. If you are against gays because of Leviticus you DARN WELL better not eat shrimp or pork. Not only are these people HATERS, but they are STUPID, HYPOCRITICAL HATERS!

      May 3, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • Topher

      Dude, you typed all of that to say that it all says the same thing? That being se.ually immoral is wrong?

      May 3, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • Topher

      StevenR

      Or you just have no knowledge of what the Bible says. Big difference between moral laws and laws only for Jews at the time.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:50 am |
    • Madtown

      h.omose.xuals (unrepentant sinners.) The won't inherit the kingdom of Heaven
      ----–
      Interesting that God won't allow them in, simply because they exist in the state he designed them to be in.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:51 am |
    • Topher

      Madtown

      "Interesting that God won't allow them in, simply because they exist in the state he designed them to be in."

      He didn't design you to be that way. And neither will He allow in the straight people who are se.xually immoral.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Topher
      But polygamy is OK, right?
      Having multiple spouses certainly cannot be immoral since many of God's favourite people had multiple wives.
      GENESIS 4:19
      "Then Lamech took for himself two wives : the name of one was Adah, and the name of the second was Zillah."
      Deuteronomy 21:15
      "If a man have two wives, one beloved and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:"
      Exodus 21:10
      "If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights."
      King David is called "a man after God's own heart" and he had multiple wives.
      1 Samuel 25:43 states:
      "David also took Ahinoam of Jezreel, and so both of them were his wives."
      2 Samuel 5:13:
      "And David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem, after he had come from Hebron. Also more sons and daughters were born to David."
      2 Samuel 12:8
      "Then Nathan said to David, "You are the man! Thus says the LORD God of Israel : 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. ' I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your keeping, and gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that had been too little, I also would have given you much more!"
      GENESIS 32:32
      "And he [Jacob] arose that night and took his two wives, his two female servants, and his eleven sons, and crossed over the ford of Jabbok."
      2 CHRONICLES 11:21
      "Now Rehoboam loved Maachah the granddaughter of Absalom more than all his wives and his concubines; for he took eighteen wives and sixty concubines, and begot twenty-eight sons and sixty daughters."

      May 3, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Topher
      And you're missing the point of the translation argument.
      What the Corinthians list considers to be immoral is dependent on how you translate the original Greek.
      There is a big difference between "mast.urb.ators" and "ho/mose/xuals".
      Do you ever mas.turb.ate? If not, you are a statistical anomaly.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
    • Topher

      Doc Vestibule

      "But polygamy is OK, right?"

      No.

      "Having multiple spouses certainly cannot be immoral since many of God's favourite people had multiple wives."

      And in none of those cases is God telling them to take multiple wives or endorses it. Instead, God says marriage is between ONE man and ONE woman. And even says that Solomon fell because he took all those wives.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • Madtown

      He didn't design you to be that way
      ------
      You obviously wouldn't have any idea what God did, or how God did it. You don't speak for God. For myself, I made no decision, I simply developed into who I am. I loved woman at an early age, before I even knew what attraction was. No choice involved. Most any person attracted to same-gender will tell you the same thing. God designed you to be the way you are as well.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Except for David, right?
      As King of God's Chosen People – a man who carried the Might and Message of The LORD and whose name God spread around the world so that he would be feared – HE was allowed to have as many wives as he wanted.

      Everyone else gets just one spouse of the opposite gender.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • Topher

      Doc Vestibule

      Have you read these books? It's very clear David was a HUGE sinner ... just like the rest of us. First he committed adultery, then he murdered her husband. No where does God condone these things, even for David. And David himself was broken over these things and repented.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Topher
      You and other christians who wish to enforce the "laws" of Leviticus upon gay people should realise that their theology is very inconsistent and is potentially flawed. You eat pork and shellfish no doubt yet that is also described as an abomination.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Topher

      In Santa we trust

      I understand your confusion as I had the same complaints before I was a Christian and before I read the Bible. The problem here is that you are confusing two different covenants. In the New Covenant only the moral laws were continued. The rest (priestly laws and laws for those people at that time) passed away. For instance, you bring up the laws about eating shellfish. But in Acts Chapter 10, Peter is told by God that he can now eat anything he wants to. But se.xual immorality, including ho.mose.xuality, is talked about by Christ. It's not just a Leviticus thing.

      May 3, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • sam

      Where did Christ talk about homosexuality? No, really, Topher, where is that?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • Madtown

      ho.mose.xuality, is talked about by Christ
      -----–
      Incorrect.

      May 3, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      "Peter is told by God"
      ......................
      So Peter heard a gods voice....DELUSIONAL

      May 3, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
    • Topher

      Matthew 19.
      Romans 1.
      1 Corinthians 6.
      1 Timothy 1.
      Revelation 21

      May 3, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      Topher, did God/Jesus write these things?

      May 3, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @Topher

      You idiot. Jesus didn't say anything about ho m o s3xuality in Matthew 19. Granted, he touched little children, but that was probably just hetero pedophilia, don't you think?

      May 3, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      They key here is a god never wrote such things. The writings of men are merely hearsays.

      May 3, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
  15. lol??

    lol??
    Doc Vestibule, since you're givin' Bible lessons and teachin' morality, tell the world how creepy crawly Collins treated Moos in a holy and respectful manner. The gubmint pharisees need to know. Can you reset her biological clock? Call a ref.

    May 3, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Perhaps if you phrased your question in a more cogent manner, I'd be able to answer.
      As it stands, I haven't a clue what you're trolling at.....

      May 3, 2013 at 11:18 am |
  16. eurekadog

    Wow! (1) you were taking money to speak at a church? and (2) the church was paying you? That's wrong on both sides.

    May 3, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • Tim

      Do you think nobody is being paid to speak on Christian TV, or that Christian bands aren't making their living by appearing in churches? Do you think that Christian authors aren't getting their commissions? Most of the leaders and leading figures in the church are paid for saying what they do. Do you think that they all do it just for their love of the Lord?

      May 3, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • IrishinToronto

      You do know that pastors are paid don't you?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
  17. lol??

    lol??
    Nuthin' like the se*xually challenged to bring out the hate in the race against the creator. Bigot is the chant. Must be a Strong drive. Chimps seem to do OK, BTW. They can't say the word bigot.

    May 3, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • LinCA

      @lol??

      I don't hate your imaginary friend. There simply is no reason to believe it exists.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • Topher

      "We tolerate everyone ... except YOU, Christian!"

      May 3, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • LinCA

      @Topher

      You said, ""We tolerate everyone ... except YOU, Christian!""
      You are free to remain blissfully ignorant. You have the absolute right to believe in fairy tales. It is my right to point out that they are nothing more than fairy tales.

      Pointing out that there is equal evidence for your god as there is for the Easter Bunny doesn't do anything to take away your right to believe either exists. But, just because you ave the right to believe that bullshit, doesn't mean I have to accept it, too. If you display your infantile beliefs on a forum such as this, you should expect them to get challenged.

      There are two fool proof ways to shut me up. The first, and best, is to provide evidence your imaginary friend exists. The second is to stop spouting your nonsense in public. I'm not telling you that you can't spout your nonsense here, just that if you can't handle the critique, you shouldn't invite it.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • Topher

      LinCA

      My point was to the original post ... that "bigot" is the atheists' new favorite word.

      And you disagree with me all you want. I don't mind the debate.

      Oh, and the whole easter bunny/santa claus/tooth fairy thing you guys always like to use ultimately fails. Name for me one single adult who has converted to believeing in those things.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:26 am |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      If no one believed in your God, would that make Him not exist? The number of believers is irrelevant.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • Science

      Thanks for the help topher !

      May 3, 2013 at 11:37 am |
    • Topher

      ME II

      " If no one believed in your God, would that make Him not exist? The number of believers is irrelevant."

      I agree it's irrelevant. But I'm not sure what you are getting at.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:37 am |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      "Oh, and the whole easter bunny/santa claus/tooth fairy thing you guys always like to use ultimately fails. Name for me one single adult who has converted to believeing in those things."

      If your refutation of the easter bunny is based solely on the lack of believers, then your refutation fails due to the fallacy of argumentum ad populum.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:40 am |
    • Topher

      Fair enough, but that's not really what I was getting at.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • John Sharp

      This is so silly. I can not believe people still believe in this ridiculous religion when simple human observation tells you it is not true.
      How pathetic!! The ignorant will always have "faith". Faith being ideas unsupported by any evidence. Have faith, be stupid.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      Topher

      LinCA

      My point was to the original post ... that "bigot" is the atheists' new favorite word.

      And you disagree with me all you want. I don't mind the debate.

      Oh, and the whole easter bunny/santa claus/tooth fairy thing you guys always like to use ultimately fails. Name for me one single adult who has converted to believeing in those things
      ...
      You do realize that mythical gods once had their "believers" Once people stopped believing they became myths.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      Topher

      Fair enough, but that's not really what I was getting at
      ...............
      Actually that is exactly what you were getting at.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:49 am |
    • Rupert

      @Topher

      Oh, and the whole easter bunny/santa claus/tooth fairy thing you guys always like to use ultimately fails. Name for me one single adult who has converted to believeing in those things.

      Replace the "easter bunny/santa claus/tooth fairy thing" with BigFoot. There a millions of people who believe whole-heartedly that they exist. Does that make them exist? Hint: NO!

      May 3, 2013 at 11:51 am |
    • lol??

      john sharp sayz,
      ".................Faith being ideas unsupported by any evidence..............." Where did you come up with that?
      Your reader's digest version ain't helpin' ya here.
      ""faith"
      occurs 247 times in 231 verses in the KJV "

      May 3, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • IrishinToronto

      Hat the creator? When did I ever say I hated Osiris?

      May 3, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Topher

      You said, "My point was to the original post ... that "bigot" is the atheists' new favorite word."
      It isn't new, it's just very fitting. Once christians stop expecting others to act based on their fairy tale, the accusations of bigotry will go away. Keep your nonsense out of the lives of others, and I'll leave you in peace.

      How you live your own life is entirely up to you, but you don't get to tell anyone else how to live. That includes claims about "sins" committed by anyone but yourself.

      You said, "And you disagree with me all you want. I don't mind the debate."
      Until you can provide some evidence for your imaginary friend, there's not going to much of a debate. Until you have some evidence that your imaginary friend is anything but imaginary, I'll keep reminding you it is no more likely to exist than the Tooth Fairy.

      You said, "Oh, and the whole easter bunny/santa claus/tooth fairy thing you guys always like to use ultimately fails."
      Oh, how's that? You have evidence any of them exist? Which one? What's your evidence?

      You said, "Name for me one single adult who has converted to believeing in those things."
      That's the point. Why would you believe in one imaginary creature and not in any of the others? The available evidence places all at the exact same likelihood. There is absolutely no rational reason to believe in your god and at the same time not believe in the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny.

      Just because children are allowed, even encouraged, to shed their infantile beliefs in the Tooth Fairy and other imaginary creatures, but not gods, does nothing to support the case for gods. It makes them no more likely to exist. Just because your parents believed the same nonsense, and infected you, doesn't make these creatures any more likely. Mass delusion is only evidence of delusion, it isn't evidence of the object of the delusion.

      May 3, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
  18. kneesus

    not one person on here posting nasty things about Mr. Butler would ever have the guts to say it to his face

    May 3, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • lol??

      Ya little debater. Ya slipped up, errr down. You can't prove a negative is the rule.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:10 am |
  19. boo hoo

    Louie Giglio was prohibited from speaking at the presidential inaurguration for his supposedly hateful speech against gays. boohoo

    May 3, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • LinCA

      @boo hoo

      You said, "Louie Giglio was prohibited from speaking at the presidential inaurguration for his supposedly hateful speech against gays."
      The bigot backed out on his own accord. He wasn't prohibited by anyone. He probably realized that exposing his derogatory views on such a public forum would hurt his ability to fleece his flock. Too much negative publicity may keep the sheeple away.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • Topher

      Right. And now Greg Laurie.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:10 am |
  20. Elliott Carlin

    Uh, a scriptural church is preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The issue is one of sin. The Scripture is clear on it. Why is Leroy surprised? and why charge $8500 to speak to children? wow. says quite a bit about him.

    May 3, 2013 at 10:57 am |
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