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May 2nd, 2013
12:52 PM ET

Ex-NFL player's support for gay NBA player apparently costs him church appearance

By Dan Merica, CNN
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Washington (CNN) – LeRoy Butler, a former safety for the Green Bay Packers, is one of many professional athletes to tweet support for Jason Collins, the NBA player who came out as gay this week.

“Congrats to Jason Collins,” Butler tweeted April 29, the day Collins came out in a Sports Illustrated cover story.

But Butler says the four-word tweet cost him a speaking appearance at a Wisconsin church.

He was scheduled to speak at the church (whose name he has not revealed) about bullying and his new book, "The LeRoy Butler Story: From Wheelchair to the Lambeau Leap." That was until the church, according to Butler, told him he was no longer welcome because of his tweet in support of Collins.

"The pastor called me and that's when we got into the old, the whole religion thing about gay people and things of that nature and the conversation just went back and forth for us a couple of minutes," Butler told Anderson Cooper on Thursday.

After the exchange with the pastor, Butler took to twitter to express his frustration.

Butler later tweeted that “some parents went to the church and complained about my tweet” supporting Collins. The church, according to Butler, said that if the football player apologized, he would be allowed to speak.

"They basically said this, if you apologize, ask God for forgiveness and remove the tweet, you'll be able to do this speaking engagement with the kids," he said. "I won't do that. That's taking my dignity and respect away."

He continued: "I told the pastor, blame it on my mom because my mom brought me up to love everybody."

Butler recently tweeted that the church apologized for the incident and thanked him “for not releasing the church name.”

Butler played 11 years, from 1990 to 2001, with the Packers and helped them win a Super Bowl in 1997. He was a four-time All-Pro selection, the highest honor for a year of work in the NFL, and is credited with inventing the Lambeau Leap, the iconic touchdown celebration in which a Packer leaps into the Lambeau Field stands to celebrate with fans.

As for Butler's stance on gay athletes in professional sports, he said they have "support from straight guys like me that won't judge them."

"If we win a Super Bowl ring, I don't care who you bring to the ring ceremony, I just want to win the ring," Butler said. "That's what it's all about. ... Isn't that what it's all about? Winning the championship? Not who is in my bed when I turn the lights out."

Since retiring, Butler has been active in the Green Bay community, and his Facebook page chronicles appearances and speeches he has given to churches in the area.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Same-sex marriage

soundoff (3,002 Responses)
  1. Dyslexic doG

    The real issue here is that people at this church claim to worship a man named Jesus Christ. The accepting, loving Jesus Christ would not have behaved in this way. How has Christianity become so twisted away from its origin?

    May 3, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
    • nothing new...

      Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

      (Thomas Jefferson, from Notes on the State of Virginia, 1785)

      May 3, 2013 at 9:37 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      amen!

      May 3, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
  2. Jeff

    Wow, he charges a church $8,500 to speak there? I knew GB was a football crazy town, but this is redicuous. I'm not impressed with either side.

    May 3, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      check out the public speaking circuit - $8500 isn't even that much.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:18 pm |
    • Akira

      I read that the church was in Madison.
      And Booty is right; check out whqat ex-politicians make on the circuit.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
    • The real Tom

      I'll bet even Butler knows how to spell "ridiculous."

      May 3, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
    • Athy

      Jeff can't.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:46 pm |
  3. Hayrow

    O.K. Alex, I'll guess, What is the Celebration Church on the northeast corner of Humboldt and Ontario?

    May 3, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
  4. Duke

    So I guess churches HAVE to except the gay lifestyle.

    Look, if you want to say that a person has a right to be gay, fine. But people who oppose that behavior have a right to not endorse it. In this case this church clearly felt that paying Butler his speaking fee would result in endorsing Butler and his congratulatory tweet to Collins.

    Apparently the only people that have rights now are those that support the LGBT agenda.

    And, if Butler hadn't lost his $8500 would you even hear about this?

    May 3, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
    • Akira

      Nope, they don't. That being said, butler isn't gay, and if the church wants to try and blackmail Butler into apologizing for his free speech, the church can take their lumps when he exercises his free speech by exposing their tawdry attempt to get him to compromise his integrity.

      And nope, I don't think he cares about the $.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
    • The real Tom

      What kind of moron would imagine that a pro sports player would be fussing about losing a paltry fee for speaking at a church?

      How fvcking stupid are you, Duke?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      no, churches, like the KKK (a Christian terror organization) are free to be prejudice and not let people that aren't h.omophobic speak - there's no law broken, since the church has "i can hide behind religion" clause. no one's going to jail. but people are also allowed to have their opinions and point out what a h.omophobic organization christian churches are.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
    • Duke

      Hey Real Tom (whatever that means),

      Ex-athletes often have to work just like everybody else. Many RELY on speaking engagements as a part of their income. If he didn't need $8500 then why would he charge a church $8500 just to come speak? Why not do it for free?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
    • Duke

      Akira,

      You obviously have no idea what blackmail even means. Blackmail is illegal. The church told Butler how he could fix the issue in order to have the speaking engagement. They never threatened him or his reputation in order to get him to pay them or do anything.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
    • I Am God

      This church is a disgrace to my home state. As a state we believe in equality for all not Christian equality for just those who believe in them.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
    • Duke

      Bootyfunk,

      The Church never said that no gays could enter or participate in the church. But the church clearly has a vested interest in not paying someone who vocally, and nationally supported a behavior that the church believes to be a sin. Why would the church support, with $$, someone who supports something the Bible calls a sin?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • Duke

      I am god,

      The church never said that gays were unwelcome. Having gays attend services is very different from PAYING someone who supports what the church believes to be a sin.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:13 pm |
    • I Am God

      Duke the church wouldn't allow someone to speak due to his difference of belief. That is an insult to the state of Wisconsin. Everyone is allowed their opinions and for them to tell him he can't speak at their church anymore shows that they feared of what he would say.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:15 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      @Duke
      i'm not saying they have to - i'm saying they don't. they are free to be prejudice bigots and say no to someone speaking at their church because that person isn't h.omophobic.

      but i'm free to point out that they are a group of bigots. i don't care if your holy book tells you to be prejudice - it's not an excuse. "well, the bible tells me to hate g.ay people - what can i do? think for myself?"

      basically, they can be prejudice – and we can point it out. you disagree?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "why would he charge a church $8500 just to come speak? Why not do it for free?"

      Why should he? If he can earn money for speaking, what's the problem with that?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:21 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Are you really so stupid that you think a pro sports player can't get $8500 elsewhere? Do you really think this was his only gig? Duke, you live up to your name. You're dumb as a dukey.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:23 pm |
    • Duke

      Why should a church PAY someone money to speak once they discover that person believes something that is a sin is ok?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:23 pm |
    • Duke

      Real Tom,

      Ever look up how many sports players do broke after they stop playing?

      If he didn't need the $8500 he wouldn't need to ask for it, nor would he have mentioned the amount in the story.

      Get a grip there Tom. Wake up.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
    • The real Tom

      They can do so, Pukey, but how concerned are they about the issue of bullying if they fire the speaker because he tweeted a message?

      Really, Pukey, don't you get the irony?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Pukey, are you starving? About to lose your home? Would you accept an offer of nothing from your boss for work you were doing?

      What sort of idiot are you?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Duke, the blind don't want to be warned that they are driving into a brick wall that will cause them to crash and burn. The people that warn them are now called haters and bigots.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:27 pm |
    • The real Tom

      So, HS, you think you're doing everyone a big favor by being a complete tool?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
    • Duke

      Hey Tom,

      IT'S A CHURCH!!

      Why would a church want to PAY someone to speak once they find out that person publicly supports something the church believes is a sin?

      They didn't bully anybody. Butler can go to a school and charge them $8500 to speak. He can go to a public park and speak about it and ask for money. But why would a church pay him?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:29 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Pukey says: "Wake up."

      By uttering this silly crap, Pukey proves yet again my assertion that the only posters who barf up plat itudes like "wake up" are complete fvckwits who don't have a clue what they're talking about but think they can snow everyone with bluster.

      Good going, Pukey. Keep on proving me right.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:32 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "But why would a church pay him?"

      Because they had a contract, you fvcking idiot.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
    • Duke

      Tom,

      You're hilarious. You haven't proven anything. You claimed sports players don't need $8500, clearly Butler was bothered enough by losing it that he mentioned the amount.

      You claim that this church should let Butler speak and pay him, yet you give no reasons to support why they should.

      You make more attempts to mask your cursing and insults.

      You make no points whatsoever. Nothing!

      Not ONE valid point.

      Try again.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
    • Akira

      Duke.
      They told him IF he apologized, IF he asked forgiveness,and IF he removed the tweet, he can have the speaking engagement. That is a subtle form of blackmail, whether you would care to admit it or not.
      Apologize to who? He did nothing wrong. Lol. What a load of hooey.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
    • Duke

      Tom,

      Clearly you know nothing about contracts. Every contract for a future engagement or obligation has clauses that allows either party to cancel. In this case the Church had a "morality clause.' Butler's tweet violated that clause.

      Try again.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Hey, Pukey? Ever hear of a contract? The church agreed to pay the guy to speak. He agreed to do so. They reneged. He has every right to out them as hypocrites, because that's what they are.

      As for "needing" the $8500, do you think the guy's living in a cardboard box, idiot?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • mama k

      So HS, are you saying that the over four million Lutherans for instance, of the ELCA. are going to burn?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
    • The real Tom

      So, Pukey, did you see the contract? You can provide proof of the wording? Do so.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
    • Duke

      Tom,

      I know about contracts. It's a common practice to put "morality clauses" in contracts where someone will speak at or represent a party. The story said there was a morality clause. Read it again.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
    • The real Tom

      So what?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:46 pm |
    • Duke

      Akira,

      That isn't blackmail. By your definition then anyone trying to sell something to somebody would be blackmailing them.

      Blackmail is when one person is threatened or that person's reputation is threatened by someone else unless something is done. The Church NEVER threatened anyone. They said if you want to speak and earn $8500 this is what you have to do.

      It was Butler's choice to tweet, and his choice to not fix the tweet. NO BLACKMAIL.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Pukey, you're claiming that if the guy hadn't "needed" the $8500, no one would have heard anything about this. Where's your evidence?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
    • Akira

      So people are supposed to give churches their services free of charge because they're churches?
      Is that it?
      And really, why should anyone donate their services because a) it's a church and b) they're rich enough already?
      That's absurd.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • The real Tom

      So, Pukey, I'm guessing you think gays are sick and despi cable. You think the church was just wonderful for telling the speaker they'd engaged to go blow.

      You sound like a real peach, honey.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:49 pm |
    • Duke

      He wasn't coming to speak at the church to promote the church. He was supposed to be delivering a message about bullying. That is a public service. Why would this RICH ex-athlete, that doesn't need the money charge that much for it, and why would he specifically mention the amount once this story came out? Why not just say, "Hey I was supposed to speak at this church on bullying, but after I tweeted a congrats to Collins, they canceled."?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
    • The real Tom

      That you don't get the disconnect, Pukey, says a lot about your powers of perception.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:53 pm |
    • Akira

      You seem to be getting a little upset, Duke. Calm down.
      Perhaps emotional blackmail is too strong. Bullying him into compromising his integrity IS a much better way of putting it.
      Thanks for changing my mind. Yep, bullying him into compromising his integrity IS more accurate.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Pukey seems more than a little perturbed. Perhaps he's jealous. I doubt anyone is asking him to speak, even if it's for free.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:05 pm |
    • Thegoodman

      Being prejudice and discriminating is not a right that for organizations. Individuals can behave as loathsome as they wish, but a group that receives government money cannot.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • RNK

      The tweet had nothing to do with the church or his speech. He did nothing immoral, nothing hateful. But, a church tries to make him do what they want (apologize, ask for forgiveness and remove the tweet) or he cannot talk about bullying.
      The leaders of the church certainly need to learn about bullying.
      They are within their rights to cancel he talk - IF the contract was so written– but he can also voice his opinion of the church. They do NOT have the right to silence him.

      As a speaking fee this seems pretty small. Why charge a church? Has the minister taken a vow of poverty and does he work for free? Does the church secretary work for free? Does the rest of the staff work for free? – it is a church afterall.
      He has as much right to be compensated for his time as anyone.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Well said, RNK. I think it's pretty funny that Pukey and others think the guy should not be paid for speaking to a church. Do the idiots think he asked THEM? They asked him; that's what he charges. If they weren't willing to pay, they could have said no.

      I have to wonder if some of these idiots think the minister, the church secretary, the director of music, the custodian, and others who work for the church should do so for free, too.

      Silly twits.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:46 pm |
    • Duke

      If the pastor or staff member publicly supported something that the church considers a sin, I'm pretty sure the church would no longer need that person's services either.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
    • Duke

      Hey goodman,

      The church doesn't receive government money.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Duke, Churches being tax-exempt is a tax expenditure; a tax expenditure program is government spending through the tax code. So yes it is partly funded by the government or more correctly the tax-payers including atheists.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
    • Observer

      Duke,

      Churches don't receive government money. The real issue is that they don't pay money to the government. Everyone else is forced to make up the difference.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:22 pm |
    • skeptical

      Just an fyi so you don't sound silly in your posts. Being gay is not a "behavior" or "life style choice" much the same way having brown hair or being left handed isn't. You're absolutely right that churches can preach what they want, but the word "behavior" leads one to believe that the scientific community and/or psychological community deems being gay a "state of mind' which is false. Both consider it a "way of life" or rather a naturally occuring matter of genetics. The church is welcome not to support those scientific facts – much the way Galileo was excommunicated for daring to reorder the planets with Earth not at the center – but there must be an understanding that they are pushing an unprovable point of view on a society whose majority is aware of the facts. So yes, they had every right to say know but the rest of the country has every right to chide them for it. "The protection of free speech does not protect you from the consequences of free speech."

      May 3, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
    • Duke

      The only scientific evidence points to possible genetics leading to innate tendencies that are ALSO effected by environmental factors. No clear genetic link had been found. But environmental factors are conclusively found. That means it IS more of a behavior and not uncontrollable attribute.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:39 pm |
    • .

      "Do what we tell you or don't get paid." Sounds like blackmail to me. Tomato, tomahto.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
    • Observer

      Duke,

      Apparently MILLIONS of gays say they have always been that way.

      Please tell us how you can read their minds and know they are lying.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
    • Duke

      Money does NOT belong to the government. It belongs to you and me. We give the government power to tax us. It doesn't graciously allow us not to pay taxes. Churches are exempt from taxation to prevent the government from establishing one religion or removing all religion. Therefore, a church not paying taxes is NOT receiving government money.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:42 pm |
    • Observer

      Duke,

      Nope. The government supplies services to everyone including churches. Everyone should pay for what they get. Churches do not pay their share which means that everyone else is subsidizing them.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:45 pm |
    • mama k

      Duke: [ "The only scientific evidence points to possible genetics leading to innate tendencies that are ALSO effected by environmental factors. No clear genetic link had been found. But environmental factors are conclusively found. That means it IS more of a behavior and not uncontrollable attribute." ]

      Duke – it seems you are using terms like "environmental" very broadly. At what level of development of life are you speaking about? Since there very well might be epigenetic evidence for a cause(s), then how can we predict now what are the more determining factors?

      I found this interesting (referencing a recent issue of The Quarterly Review of Biology):

      http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/12/11/homosexuality-ultimately-result-gene-regulation-researchers-find/

      Also check out this page: http://www.livescience.com/13409-myths-gay-people-debunked-sexual-orientation.html

      May 4, 2013 at 12:17 am |
    • sam

      Jesus, Duke, you are dense as hell.

      May 4, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • HeavenSent

      To the nonbelievers, 1 Timothy 5:15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.

      May 4, 2013 at 8:48 pm |
  5. SmartPotato

    It was the other way around: the church lost. Good riddance.

    May 3, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
  6. simplesimon

    I want to know the name of the church thats filled with intolerant d-bags. print that name!
    and who wastes $8500 on motovational speakers.

    May 3, 2013 at 8:29 pm |
    • Athy

      It's not a waste (at least to the church) if they can sell tickets or enlarge the collection plate take.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
  7. Bootyfunk

    Christians - a hate group that hides behind religion, "i'm not prejudice, my religion is!"

    May 3, 2013 at 8:08 pm |
    • Chad

      @Bootyfunk "so your question seems to be this: if the books you listed by writers that believe jesus existed (but offer no hard evidence) isn't acceptable as proof, what would be acceptable?
      is that right?"

      @Chad "correct, if that is not acceptable, what would be?

      May 3, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
    • Mack

      Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A 2,000 year old book that was written 50-200 years after Jesus' time just isn't good enough. The onus isn't on me to list out what evidence would be acceptable. All I can tell you is that I'm not compelled in the least bit and haven't lost a wink of sleep over it. Nor has 2/3 of the rest of humanity who aren't Judeo-Christian. Everyone is atheistic about other peoples' differing religious beliefs. They simply find them unbelievable, sometimes ludicrous, and certainly incorrect. It's really pretty easy to understand.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:19 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Mack is magnificent.

      Chard? Not so much.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
    • Chad

      What kind of evidence would you consider acceptable?

      or, are you saying that regardless of what evidence was presented, you wouldnt believe it..?

      May 3, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Frankly, Chard, you could appear with Jesus on your arm and I wouldn't believe he was real because you're such a lying fvcktard.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • dino

      Another hater of religion. Realize that buttler is trying to ride the media wave by claiming that a church which he won't reveal because it does not exist. Just another person cashing in on twitter to bring fame to himself. If he really was speaking at a church it would have been published. shame on media for not confirming this story and shame on bootyfunk for being the hater. Not all religious people are especially christians hate gay people. It is a stereotype that is discrimination.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Why do you think the story is fake? Do you have any evidence to support your claim? Then post it. Otherwise, you're another nitwit all too common on here. If that's the case, get bent.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      ++

      Romans 7:7

      7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. KJV

      Amen.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • Akira

      Wait a minute, are you accusing Butler of lying, dino?

      May 3, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      "What kind of evidence would you consider acceptable?"

      For my father to come back from the dead and then time travel with me back to meet Jesus so I can question him myself.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
    • The real Tom

      What evidence would I require? I'd require a god worth spit to show up and stand in the way of nuts like the Newtown shooter.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • Chad

      @Chad "What kind of evidence would you consider acceptable?"
      @Cheesemakers "For my father to come back from the dead and then time travel with me back to meet Jesus so I can question him myself."

      @Chad "do you apply that same criteria to all ancient persons?"

      May 3, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "@Chad "do you apply that same criteria to all ancient persons?"

      No. Only those who claim to have risen from the dead.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      sorry, Chad, books written today, 2K years after Jesus is alleged to have lived, is not proof - it's opinion, heavily weighted by the fact that most of those writers are Christians.

      what would be proof? writings from reliable outside sources. for instance, there is no Roman record showing Pontius Pilot having Jesus executed. not only was there no "life image" of Jesus made during his life, the bible doesn't say a single word about what he looked like. Jesus supposedly did some pretty amazing things: healing people with a touch, send 2K pigs off a cliff, bringing people back from the dead, coming back from the dead himself, etc. - seems odd other people didn't write about these 'miracles'. Read this:

      Matt 27:50-54 “Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.”

      so the dead came back and walked the streets of this town, but no one thought that was worthy of notation? basically, a bunchy of people see zombies, but it's not a big deal? okay....

      May 3, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Actually, Tom, the Newtown shooter was confused over the lies the nonbelievers pump into society 24/7.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • mama k

      Chad, why waste time. Let's take this all the way forward (or aptly backward) to your argument about objective truth. How has anything been considered as an objective truth without some consensus (thereby really making it subjective)? And haven't humans had to have consensus about all things that contribute to the so-called objective truth as well?

      May 3, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      @dino
      the bible is the rule book of christians, right? the bible says to KILL g.ays (among others). so i'm being hateful by pointing out that the christian guide for good living says to murder innocent people? that's funny.

      i'm glad christians don't follow the bible closely any longer - more like Christianity Light - but those words are in your book. you are actually being a bad christian by not following the bible and killing all g.ay people (also non-virgin brides, disobedient children and anyone working the weekend). i'm glad you're not a devout christian, of course - but that's what it is - you don't do what the bible tells you to do.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
    • Akira

      Have some proof of that, HeavenSent, or is that just an opinion? Because from all accounts, he was Christian, also.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Yes, I apply the same criteria to all ancient persons who are claimed to be all powerful gods. The question is not "was Jesus a real person?", the question is "is Jesus god?".

      May 3, 2013 at 8:58 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Booty, the saints will come back at end of days. That's your generation since 1948. The the writer of the Book of Matthew is providing prophecy (and witnessing) with the cross referencing (and witnessing) the Book of Revelation prophecy.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:58 pm |
    • The real Tom

      So, no answer? You managed this response, yet ignored my posts questioning your claims that I lied? Why am I not shocked?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
    • mama k

      adjustment:

      "And haven't humans had to have consensus about all things that contribute to *ANY* "objective truth" as well?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Akira, a young Christian that never was fed the meat of Jesus' truth, still bottle fed.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
    • Chad

      @Bootyfunk "what would be proof? writings from reliable outside sources. for instance, there is no Roman record showing Pontius Pilot having Jesus executed."
      @Chad "There are no Roman records of Pontius Pilate himself existing.
      You didnt know that did you 🙂

      If there are no existing Roman records of Pilate, a governor, why would there exist any of a little known preacher executed under his rule?

      ===
      @Bootyfunk "not only was there no "life image" of Jesus made during his life, the bible doesn't say a single word about what he looked like"
      @Chad "The bible doesnt really say anything about the way ANYONE looked. It is not relevant.
      There are no life images of ANYONE from that time period (except emperors).
      This may shock you, but the first camera was not invented until 1840.

      ===
      @Bootyfunk " Jesus supposedly did some pretty amazing things: healing people with a touch, send 2K pigs off a cliff, bringing people back from the dead, coming back from the dead himself, etc. – seems odd other people didn't write about these 'miracles'."
      @Chad "ummm...
      they did
      see the Gospels, letters of Paul, Peter, etc.. They were all authored by independent people, many eye witnesses.

      Using the Bible as partial biographical evidence of Jesus is not as completely insane or wall-bangingly circular as it may first seem. Although the gospels are generally published in one compendium known as The Bible, they are separate doc uments and almost certainly were written by separate authors
      ..
      ..
      Because of the way cultures have told their religious and mythic stories over time, and based in no small part on studies of modern "new" religions (especially cult religions) and how they deify their own leaders,[13] most scholars of Biblical history believe that the gospels of the Bible are sufficient evidence to say that Jesus, or some human seed for the stories who we may as well tag "Jesus", did exist, and his existence can be as sumed from them.[14][15] And if such a person existed, it is equally likely that major broad themes are based in reality; he likely would have been one of the many teachers or self-proclaimed prophets of the time[16] and he probably ticked off the wrong people and found himself dead.
      ..
      ..
      What most historians and scholars think (as stated above) is that a human named Jesus was the seed for the Christian myths

      - Source: the atheist wiki

      May 3, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
    • The real Tom

      HS wishes most fervently, even PRAYS, that she'll get a taste of that "meat."

      May 3, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, as usual, I posted my answer under the location you first asked. "I'd turn back if I were you".

      May 3, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Uh, Chard, did any one of these folks you cite die and then rise?

      Sorry, but your Jeebus hasn't met the criteria.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
    • The real Tom

      No, you didn't, lying sack.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
    • Chad

      @Cheesemakers "Yes, I apply the same criteria to all ancient persons who are claimed to be all powerful gods. The question is not "was Jesus a real person?", the question is "is Jesus god?"."

      @Chad "Two standards, thanks for acknowledging that. That's really all I was going tor.

      It's important that people reading this see atheists publicly stating that they have two standards, one for Jesus, another for every other ancient person.

      That way, people see that in fact atheists start out with a presumption that Jesus didnt exist, that the God of Israel isnt real.

      People see that atheists arent at all open to being convinced by the evidence, in fact they made up their minds before seeing any evidence at all.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "It's important that people reading this see atheists publicly stating that they have two standards, one for Jesus, another for every other ancient person."

      "It's important" for you, Chard, because you think it will redeem you. It won't. Can you prove Jesus rose from the dead?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Booty, you posted "@dino, the bible is the rule book of christians, right? the bible says to KILL g.ays (among others). so i'm being hateful by pointing out that the christian guide for good living says to murder innocent people? that's funny.

      i'm glad christians don't follow the bible closely any longer – more like Christianity Light – but those words are in your book. you are actually being a bad christian by not following the bible and killing all g.ay people (also non-virgin brides, disobedient children and anyone working the weekend). i'm glad you're not a devout christian, of course – but that's what it is – you don't do what the bible tells you to do."

      Answer: Those scriptures you complain about were written to the Jews that were under His law.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:58 pm |
    • mama k

      So HS, you keep avoiding the question. Are the over four million Lutheran members of the ELCA going to burn in your opinion since they are marrying gay couples?

      May 3, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Believers know Jesus rose from the dead. Unbelievers don't. The reason you don't believe is because you buy into the lies of other unbelievers who practice the traditions of men.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      mama k, read my post slowly so it sinks in to your skull. I don't attend any denominational church. I read, comprehend and apply Jesus' truth to my life.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:06 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      HS/Chad. You have very little evidence that Jesus existed. You have no proof that he was the son of a god, that he performed miracles, that he was placed in a tomb, or that he was resurrected from said tomb. I know the bible says so but the bible says many over things that we know are incorrect or have never been repeated since and as such are incredible.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:09 pm |
    • The real Tom

      No, HS, the reason I don't believe is because azzholes like you and Chard do.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
    • mama k

      Wow. Can you be any more evasive, HS? It was a pretty straight-forward question.

      Let's make it more simple. Do you think the over four million members of ELCA are going to burn in hell for supporting and executing gay marriages? Yes or no?

      May 3, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
    • Science

      Chad ...............agrees with you !!!

      Wow ..................Chad .............you love that devil's cult aye ?

      Chad
      Love the Catholic Church they're so generous to the world

      February 19, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Report abuse | Reply

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/why-next-pope-must-open-up-church-and-usher-in-vatican-iii/#comments

      May 3, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • Science

      Oops ..forgot the ........................with HS

      May 3, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, you posted "No, HS, the reason I don't believe is because azzholes like you and Chard do."

      Answer: More excuses from a BAITER that needs approval of others.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      mama k, let me make this perfectly clear for you. Any Christian that supports abominations in scriptures, never read nor comprehend said scriptures and will be judged accordingly, byJesus. Talk about staying bottle fed of His truth.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      HS, As you seem to have forgotten the other thread where you said something about hiding behind science. Firstly, I don't how I am hiding behind science; secondly, I infer from some of your posts that you were employed at an internet company so it seems to me you'd understand that developers and support staff use logic and reason to solve problems which makes it hard for me to understand why you don't apply logic and reason to the bible versus science questions. How could ancient superstitions be more convincing than repeatable, verifyable science?

      May 3, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
    • mama k

      "Accordingly", HS? OK so then based on that mostly non-answer, we can assume then that Christians do not know exactly how they will be judged for what some of them call abominable behavior – they just know they need to be frightened of what might happen to them if they do something that they think might be bad. Well, that might of explains the different levels of paranoia that we see among the different sect.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
    • mama k

      ( sects )

      May 3, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      @Chad "Two standards, thanks for acknowledging that. That's really all I was going tor.It's important that people reading this see atheists publicly stating that they have two standards, one for Jesus, another for every other ancient person.

      So Jesus was just a "person" when it suits one of your arguements and a "god" when it suits another. Thanks for acknowledging that you apply 2 standards and argue dishonestly.

      I specifically stated in my post that the important question is "was Jesus god?", not "did Jesus exist?" And you completely ignored that point I made and dishonestly framed the issue around claiming I had 2 different standards. I already admitted I do. One for claimed historical PERSONS and one for claimed historical GODS. It is important for people to see how a dishonest Christian apologist argues.

      May 3, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The Seven Spirits of God Are God

      Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ.

      Revelation 1:4-5

      Amen.

      May 4, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      MamaK, know this truth instead of twisting your lies to fit.

      Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

      Matthew 7:13

      Amen.

      May 4, 2013 at 6:26 pm |
    • The real Tom

      HS, honey, I already HAVE the "approval of others." My colleagues and superiors praise my level of commitment and expertise. Other people in my profession come to observe my work. I have a wonderful husband who expresses his love for me daily. I have loyal and loving friends.

      I also know the difference between "moot" and "mute." All of those facts put me way ahead of you.

      May 4, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

      Matthew 15:14

      Amen.

      May 4, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, mute was purposely used since I know His wisdom falls on deaf ears of the nonbelievers.

      May 4, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
    • midwest rail

      "......mute was purposely used......."
      Funniest post of the day.

      May 4, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Psalms 135:17   They have ears, but they hear not; neither is there [any] breath in their mouths.

      Proverbs 21:13   Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.

      Proverbs 23:9   Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

      May 4, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
    • The real Tom

      HS blurts: Tom, mute was purposely used since I know His wisdom falls on deaf ears of the nonbelievers.

      So you finally looked up "mute" and realized you fvcked up!! Yay for you.

      May 4, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
  8. HeathanMike

    Mildly amusing, but ultimately sad how blogs start off with a seemingly clear topic but degenerate into name-calling testosterone-driven chest-beating contests. Particularly pathetic is the fact that many (not all) of the nastiest attack posts are coming from Christians, who, if my understanding of Christianity hasn't entirely failed me, are supposed to be modeling their lives after Jesus Christ. Way to spread the love of Jesus, people!!

    Many of the posts here are ample illustration of just how contradictory Christians can be. How ironic that a church willing to pay thousands for a guest speaker to campaign against bullying felt it necessary to underscore the fact that they are perfectly happy to see gay people continue to be bullied.

    Fortunately, many Christians do not agree with such hatred at all. It is also nice to see that those kinder Christians' numbers seem to be growing as more of society realizes they already know and associate with gay people and that, guess what, real gay folks aren't the horrible monsters they are accused of being.

    Now, can we get back to comments on the actual blog topic rather than threats against each other?

    May 3, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
    • ISLAM SOURCE OF AMERICAN CONSTI

      Vishnu is my hero. Vishnu is cutie pop-ism.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
    • faith

      like christ? christ was horrible. hates gays and pushes slavery and u think his followers would be something other than vicious and nasty? r u not well?

      "sam stone
      Who is making these estimates?
      Did you just pull it out of your rectum, dave?"

      you like his rectum, huh little fatty sammy, don't u? admit it. u like rectums

      May 4, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
  9. Bonnie

    then I was told if i removed the tweet, and apologize and ask god forgiveness, I can have the event, I said no

    Good for you. How narrow minded can anyone be.

    May 3, 2013 at 7:36 pm |
  10. JLO

    Again, the 101st Keyboard Komandos are out in force. They are nothing if not 1) predictable and 2) worthless to the human race.

    May 3, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
    • Aw

      It's a comment section? That's what happens. What do you want?

      May 3, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
    • death2smoochie

      You're right there's quite a few packet fans on here. Fudge packers that is

      May 3, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
  11. maine1

    @ frank,Sam and .
    Talk about dumb all three of you should look at each other and say we are a waste of our parents sperm.
    Semper Fi Punks.

    May 3, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
    • I Am God

      I decided to read some of your previous posts and I can conclude that you are very clueless. Congratz.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:17 pm |
    • maine1

      @ you think you are God But not really.
      Thanks. That means a lot coming from a d–k like you.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
    • Frank Jeffries

      Have anything of value to add? Like your address, punk ass? Didn't think so, chicken shit. Semper Fi, mother fucker. You aren't a Marine. And you STILL don't know how to use the reply button, you rank amateur. Go nighty-night now. It's past your bedtime, you waste of skin.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:22 pm |
    • I Am God

      You must have an ego problem. You better be careful because I think Pride is a sin is it not?

      May 3, 2013 at 7:22 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Maine1

      Real name and address please.

      I would love to get in touch with you and tell you what an idiot you are to your face. Hopefully then it will sink in.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:23 pm |
    • sam

      LOL This from someone who thought just removing the 'r' from their previous screen name would make them seem like a whole different poster. Either that, or you forgot how to spell marine. Big words are so hard.

      Almost done with your ranting, you little pencil necked attention whore?

      May 3, 2013 at 7:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommy Tom, come out, come out and stop hiding behind the "sam" handle. Only you are obsessed with the rules of the English language. That, and spewing your venom on others.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:59 pm |
    • The real Tom

      HS, you must be brain-damaged. You can't even manage to reply.

      You are an idiot.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, damage is when one is a bonafide BAITER who refuses to take responsibility for her thoughts, words, and deeds. B I N G O. You won.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:37 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Blah, blah y blah, HS. Provide specifics, or shut your pie hole.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:42 pm |
    • sam

      Being this much of a crazy bitch has got to get exhausting after awhile, HS.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Well, sam, what else does the loser have to do all day? She's unemployed and unemployable (after the debacle at her former workplace). She has no family. She has alienated anyone who used to be a friend. She sits on her fat ass all day. This place is manna for her.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
    • Akira

      HS, sam and Tom are two different posters; their posting style is completely different.
      Additionally, "maine1" IS "marine1"; the person forgot to add the "r". Look at *their* posting styles; identical.
      I'm a fan of the properly written phrase, also; and I do assure you I am not sam or Tom.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Akira, you'd make more headway conversing with my cat. And he's dumber than a box of hair. The difference is, he's harmless and lovable.

      HS has NO redeeming qualities.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:50 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The real Tom posted “Hey, HS, have you turned yourself gay yet? Why not do so just to prove every scientist is wrong? Go ahead. What do you have to lose, anyway? It's not like you're getting any from straights.”

      Note you posted “have you turned yourself”

      Insert the other foot, your mouth has more than enough room for it Tommie Tom. Smile.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, posting “have you turned yourself” is admitting that humans have freewill. Freewill that God gave us.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • Akira

      Tom, I must have missed it: what debacle at her former job?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Akira, HS's bosses sh!t-canned her ass. She was fired from her job. You can guess why.

      She'll lie about it just like she's lying about my post.

      She's loony.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
    • The real Tom

      And yet more lies from HS.

      No wonder you have no life.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:12 pm |
    • Pole dancing for Jesus

      Pretending to be a marine cuz it can't spell it consistently.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
  12. maine1

    aint talking to you. dot. Talking to that punk Sam. but out Bit-h.

    May 3, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
    • sam

      Damn, that's adorable. You even used 'ain't' like you're some kind of tough guy, then you're not smart enough to get past the filter or even use the reply link.

      The big kids are still talking. You have to wait until kiddie pool hour. Run along.

      May 3, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
    • maine1

      @ Sam
      That all you got BOY? Pretty brave on the key board aren't you? Tell ya what, i will give you my real name and address and you can come talk your sh-t to my face. how about that tuff guy? Or will Mommy let you out past your bed time?

      May 3, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
    • .

      Did the KKK Kweef Kween get yet another name??? Lmfao!!!
      Oh yeah, it's "BUTT out, Bitch." And fuck you, mainepigglesqueefyfaith1.

      May 3, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @maine1

      go for it. What's your real name and address? You've talked the talk, now walk the walk.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam, the post was filled and the system places a post on the next available page.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:01 pm |
    • Frank Jeffries

      Oh, yeah, PLEASE print your real name and address for all to see! Be BOLD. Be BRAVE!
      Seriously, get a life.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
    • Frank Jeffries

      Not if he replies directly to the post, HS. Therefore, he didn't USE the reply button. If he did, it wouldn't have started another thread.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:05 pm |
    • sam

      Hand it over, troll. Or faith, biggles, marine1, whoever you are at the moment. Go ahead. The whole forum would love to send you postcards.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
    • sam

      LOL Oh HS, the post was not 'filled'. Do you just make shit up all day? Or are you trying to cover for yet ANOTHER screen name sockpuppet of yours? You're embarassing yourself even more than usual. Your disability check must have come in the mail, and got you all excited.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:09 pm |
    • The real Tom

      You expected the truth from that POS? HS lies about everything. She lies about what others write. She lies about her firing. She lies about evolution. She lies.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I should have known better than to tell fools the truth. They're too busy being obnoxious with their know nothings.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The real Tom can't help being the BAITER she is.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • snopes says

      HeavenSent is a liar

      May 3, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Yup. The azzhole can't do anything BUT lie. She lies about how she got fired from her job, she lies about what others write, she lies about her pets, she lies about her family.

      She lies about god.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      BAITER = Tom and her multiple fool handles.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, as with my bosses, have to point the blame onto others when caught being the fool.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
    • The real Tom

      What, exactly, did your bosses do, HS?

      Which handles do you imagine I'm using? List them.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, lol, you're acting like you care. I'll tell you anyway. My top boss didn't want the Internet responsibilities under her roof.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:15 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Is that supposed to make sense? If so, you need a refresher course in common sense, HS.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, I don't have the time to list your fake handles. You do however, slip up every time you critique others writings.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Of course you have time. You just don't have any balls. List them. Otherwise, you're a liar.

      Oh, wait. Everyone knows you're a liar anyhow.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Any fake dummy handle that posts to back your stupidity is you. What is the odds that so many handles come to your rescue, especially when we post on older articles deep within their pages. LOL. Too superficial, not to mention funny. Typical of a BAITER that refuses to take responsibility for your thoughts, words, actions.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
    • The real Tom

      You're absolutely TERRIFIED at the idea that there are many people who think you are full of sh!t and your beliefs are no more than delusion, aren't you?

      May 3, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      HS, I get it now. The rest of the world is wrong. Only you are righteous.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Yup. That would be typical of a psychotic. HS is a case study.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom has to control others and is a poor sport. LOL.

      May 4, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The real Tom, you posted "You're absolutely TERRIFIED at the idea that there are many people who think you are full of sh!t and your beliefs are no more than delusion, aren't you?"

      Answer: Get over your big ego Tommy Tom. The day any Christian cares what a nonbeliever thinks, is the day that will never come to pass. Why would we want to lie to ourselves and think backwards like you.

      May 4, 2013 at 9:04 pm |
    • The real Tom

      You appear to care quite a lot.

      May 4, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
  13. maine1

    @Sam
    Got em on big boy!!! damn you are brave behind a keyboard aren't you?

    May 3, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • .

      Just like you big girl!!!!!!!!!!!!

      May 3, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
    • sam

      Check back in when your balls drop, punkin'.

      May 3, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Testing HS's theory

      May 3, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Proverbs 17:4  

      Amen.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Santa, thanks for the proof.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
    • The real Tom

      In Santa, HS lies. She lies about what others post; she lies about the bible. She lies about everything.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:05 pm |
    • Frank Jeffries

      Proof of what, HS? He replied to a different post. You are dim, lady. Haven't you ever seen threads with 100 plus entries? I have. It keeps going until some person posts a new post. Then the page changes. You are so dumb. And now you'll take this as some sort of confirmation that you tell the truth? We all KNOW you lie like a bad old dirty rug!!

      May 3, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • sam

      Yet another bible quote will be cp'd in 3....2....1.....

      May 3, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm afraid your assertions are correct, "The real Tom". "HeavenSent", in fact, lies about everything.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The real Tom is a lying BAITER that refuses to accept responsibility for her words, deeds, actions.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, you are so sad and pathetic using all you fake handles to back up your lies.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:13 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Keep on lying, HS. It fits you like a second skin.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom has to point the blame on others when she gets caught being the fool. Insert foot Tom.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, stop using your dummy fake handles to back up your lies. You have no friends because you've never been a friend to any one.

      May 3, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • The real Tom

      What lies have I posted? What "dummy fake handles" am I using?

      May 3, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      HS. If you think that proves your comment then I understand why you believe ancient superstition over modern science.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Santa, I believe in proven science. Not theories that show them to not hold water. Besides, Santa, why the need to hide behind science?

      May 3, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • The real Tom

      There's no such thing as "proven science", you fvcktard.

      May 3, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Uncouth, comes to mind.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The real Tom posted “Hey, HS, have you turned yourself gay yet? Why not do so just to prove every scientist is wrong? Go ahead. What do you have to lose, anyway? It's not like you're getting any from straights.”

      Note you posted “have you turned yourself” admitting we ALL have freewill. Freewill that God gave us.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:29 pm |
    • The real Tom

      You don't have a mind, you idiot.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:29 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      HS, Leaving aside the proven part, that means you believe that evolution is correct and that Adam and Eve is not, you believe that astrophysics is correct and that the biblical creation myth is not, you believe that geology is correct and that the Noah story is not, etc. etc. etc.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:32 pm |
    • The real Tom

      I guess HS IS gay. That would explain a lot. She obviously hates herself and loathes her s3xuality. Poor thing.

      May 3, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
    • sam

      HS – just shut the fuck up already, you crazy shit.

      May 4, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Unbelievers have to send out their bully patrols to force you to accept the lies they believe. And you wonder why Christians know you to be backwards.

      May 4, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ooohhh sam, using the "u" instead of the "v". It must be nice to be webmaster, Tommy. Love how you block my posts. Talk about being a dysfunctional control freak BAITER.

      May 4, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The real Tom, you posted "I guess HS IS gay. That would explain a lot. She obviously hates herself and loathes her s3xuality. Poor thing."

      Question to Tom: Do you believe that gays loath their s3xuality and therefore, hate themselves?

      I'm sure other people will give you the foot to allow you to shove them in your mouth.

      May 4, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Oh, honey, you misunderstand. I didn't mean you hate your s3xuality BECAUSE you're gay. You just hate it.

      May 4, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
  14. Trance

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxk9TvyJrs
    ,.

    May 3, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
  15. Ed

    The question of same-sex marriage has been settled in Rhode Island, but we shouldn't forget the Catholic church's attempts there to "legislate from the pulpit" there. Time to tax the hell out of these SOBs.

    May 3, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Revelation 20

      Amen.

      May 4, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
  16. Mitt Zombie

    The church is the real bully.

    May 3, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
  17. Truth Prevails :-)

    HeavenSent: Found the number of the Scripture HotLine for you...It's 1-800-BUY-BULL

    May 3, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Must have written to one of Tom's dummy handles. LOL

      May 4, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
  18. Frank

    Churches actually pay former pro athletes this kind of money ($8500!) to speak? I wonder what Jesus would have said about that.

    What hypocrisy.

    May 3, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
  19. Frank

    Churches are ignorant, exclusionary gangs that promote intolerance and hate. No different than the worst inner-city street gang here in Los Angeles. It's as simple as that.

    May 3, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • Moniker

      I know right? Last time I went by one there were three old ladies and they threatened to beat me with their walkers if I didn't give them change for the bus. I think one of them threw her support stockings at me. Dangerous you don't want any of those church goers their tuff.

      May 3, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • Pole dancing for Jesus

      Monica. ".. their tuff" ?????

      May 3, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
  20. midgick

    Zelots and Fanatics are very dangerous people. Just check out the Mullah's et al. Intolerance is also a hate crime. What are you going to do if some group of people decide that your religeon is wrong, perverted and against their Gods way??
    People who live in glass house is the saying I'm looking for. Most of you are complete morons.

    May 3, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Matthew 23:29-36
      1 John 2:21-23
      Revelation 21:8
      T itus 1:10-16
      1 S amual 8:4-9
      A cts 9:10-23

      Amen. ++ ++

      May 3, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • Akira

      Lol??: citations??

      May 3, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
    • Akira

      Thanks for the citation, lol??. I'll have to read that. Any mention in that article as to the definition of a socie?

      May 3, 2013 at 6:26 pm |
    • lol??

      I gave my def on previous page, akira. It's actually just an abbreviation.

      May 3, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Highest suicide rates per profession is the Psychiatric profession for listening and learning about the evil ones.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
    • Barry

      It's short for "Society Church of God", Akira.

      May 3, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
    • Reality

      As with all NT passages, Matt 23:1-39, the discourse against the scribes and Pharisees, has been thoroughly analyzed for historic authenticity by many contemporary NT scholars. The conclusion: the entire passage sequence is inauthentic. See for example, Professor Gerd Ludemann's analysis in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 225-228 See also:

      http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb011.html

      http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb156.html

      http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb157.html

      And as per these same experts, John's gospel is mostly fiction. Added details previously given.

      The Ti-tus epistle was not written by Paul so there is no divine inspiration. Added details previously given.

      Revelation is simply a very bad nightmare as per T. Jefferson, M. Luther and J. Calvin. Added details previously given.

      And that should put the kibosh on any other scripture "thu-mptation"!!!

      May 3, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Matthew 23:29-36

      29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
      30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
      31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
      32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
      33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
      34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
      35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
      36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. KJV

      Amen.

      May 4, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Matthew 15 was blocked from being posted.

      May 4, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
    • The real Tom

      HS says:Highest suicide rates per profession is the Psychiatric profession for listening and learning about the evil ones

      Cite, please.

      May 4, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
    • midwest rail

      And after all the time you've spent posting here, the fact that you don't know WHY it was blocked is genuinely frightening.

      May 4, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
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