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May 2nd, 2013
12:52 PM ET

Ex-NFL player's support for gay NBA player apparently costs him church appearance

By Dan Merica, CNN
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Washington (CNN) – LeRoy Butler, a former safety for the Green Bay Packers, is one of many professional athletes to tweet support for Jason Collins, the NBA player who came out as gay this week.

“Congrats to Jason Collins,” Butler tweeted April 29, the day Collins came out in a Sports Illustrated cover story.

But Butler says the four-word tweet cost him a speaking appearance at a Wisconsin church.

He was scheduled to speak at the church (whose name he has not revealed) about bullying and his new book, "The LeRoy Butler Story: From Wheelchair to the Lambeau Leap." That was until the church, according to Butler, told him he was no longer welcome because of his tweet in support of Collins.

"The pastor called me and that's when we got into the old, the whole religion thing about gay people and things of that nature and the conversation just went back and forth for us a couple of minutes," Butler told Anderson Cooper on Thursday.

After the exchange with the pastor, Butler took to twitter to express his frustration.

Butler later tweeted that “some parents went to the church and complained about my tweet” supporting Collins. The church, according to Butler, said that if the football player apologized, he would be allowed to speak.

"They basically said this, if you apologize, ask God for forgiveness and remove the tweet, you'll be able to do this speaking engagement with the kids," he said. "I won't do that. That's taking my dignity and respect away."

He continued: "I told the pastor, blame it on my mom because my mom brought me up to love everybody."

Butler recently tweeted that the church apologized for the incident and thanked him “for not releasing the church name.”

Butler played 11 years, from 1990 to 2001, with the Packers and helped them win a Super Bowl in 1997. He was a four-time All-Pro selection, the highest honor for a year of work in the NFL, and is credited with inventing the Lambeau Leap, the iconic touchdown celebration in which a Packer leaps into the Lambeau Field stands to celebrate with fans.

As for Butler's stance on gay athletes in professional sports, he said they have "support from straight guys like me that won't judge them."

"If we win a Super Bowl ring, I don't care who you bring to the ring ceremony, I just want to win the ring," Butler said. "That's what it's all about. ... Isn't that what it's all about? Winning the championship? Not who is in my bed when I turn the lights out."

Since retiring, Butler has been active in the Green Bay community, and his Facebook page chronicles appearances and speeches he has given to churches in the area.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Same-sex marriage

soundoff (3,002 Responses)
  1. David

    Typical "church". Quick to point the finger at someone who "sins", yet those finger-pointers are some of the biggest liars, cheaters, crooks, philanderers, child abusers, and phonies that exist in society.

    May 2, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
    • Patrick Henry

      Typical liberal, the only people capable of evil are church members....

      May 2, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
    • Observer

      Patrick Henry,

      Typical conservative. PRETENDING something was said that wasn't said.

      Why not try some truth?

      May 2, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
  2. Observer

    HeavenSent,

    Jesus had plenty to say about the s3xual habit of heteros and most of it was bad.

    Please tell us EVERYTHING he said about gays.

    Are you still STUMPED?

    May 2, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, too lazy to do your own homework on what Jesus had Holy Men scribing His truth?

      May 2, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
    • I Am God

      HeavenSent are you to blind to understand that the Bible was written by man by their own perspectives, not the perspectives of Jesus or God?

      May 2, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
    • .

      Too lazy to actually SAY what Jesus said about gay people, "Heaven"? Let me tell you. Jesus said NOTHING AT ALL about gay people, you bigoted twit. That what Jesus said.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      So the Bible was written by man rather than direct inspiration from God.

      So when it picks on gays, there's no reason to think that real problem is the men who wrote it were bigots.

      Your feeble attempts to try to explain what you don't want to admit, is just burying any logic or consistency you should have.

      At least we see that the Bible is far from completely correct.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Is HS back to lie some more about what's been said? She lies about what people write here; why believe what she says about the bible?

      May 2, 2013 at 8:11 pm |
    • Patrick Henry

      Gee, what did Jesus say about bank robbery? What? nothing? Let's all go out and rob banks,must be ok.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
    • Jim

      We should get off the bible and move to the book of mormon. It is more recent and much more truthful. it speaks about the dark race of people and how they are bad. I'm assuming the dark race of people are gay people. And millions of people read this book and so it is obviously true.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:13 pm |
    • Observer

      Patrick Henry,

      The Bible shows that Jesus was very concerned about the s3x habits of people. He went into real detail about all the heteros committing the Ten Commandment sin of adultery.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:17 pm |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      **************************DOUBLE STANDARD************************

      Patrick Henry

      Gee, what did Jesus say about bank robbery? What? nothing? Let's all go out and rob banks,must be ok.

      ************************************************************************************************************************

      Ten commandments, thou shalt not steal.
      Nothing in the ten commandments about gay people.
      You cant even get your own book straight.
      (No pun intended).

      May 2, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
  3. Yep

    What Collins did wasn't wrong and what the church did was not wrong...just differences of opinion.

    May 2, 2013 at 7:47 pm |
    • Derp

      Bigotry can't be disquised as " a difference of opinion." Nice try though.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
    • Yep

      So because you don't buy into someones way of life you are a bigot? Wow!

      May 2, 2013 at 8:08 pm |
    • Patrick Henry

      Finally, a voice of reason.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
  4. Mario D

    "support for gay player costs church appearance" – Well, strictly speaking there really is no possible way to say you are a Christian and say you support a person who lives in sin. That should include many other types of sin which have been normalized....so the real rub here is that some Christian churches will draw a line on one issue clearly against the moral code established in the Christian bible, but not draw a line regarding another issue – like say abortion....why don't folks who openly support Planned Parenthood get excused from church service....it is easy to say Jesus is your Lord and Savior (and kid yourself that that will save you), but is very difficult to follow the complete moral standard of the Christian bible. Boo hoo, so this guy got uninvited to speak in a church....go hang out in a gay bar then, they will be happy to see you and probably buy you a bunch of drinks!

    May 2, 2013 at 7:33 pm |
    • Master chef Robinson

      Agree, the church should address all sins equally including fornication, adultery, divorce etc.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:42 pm |
    • Yep

      MCR...they try to, but that isn't news worthy

      May 2, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
    • joe

      Lol – and then we'd see the memberships drop really fast – in the U.S., anyway.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
    • Jim

      I guess I thought the purpose of Christianity was to sin repeatedly and then go confess your sins and everything would be fine. I guess there's more to this? Although I'm straight, if I had to choose between a gay guy and a religious nut job to go grab a beer with, I'd choose the gay guy.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Romans 3:3-6

      3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
      4 God forbid: yea, let God be true , but every man a liar ; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
      5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
      6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? KJV

      Amen.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
    • .

      Well, HS is a liar, so that part is true, anyway.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
    • laxietoo

      Ironic that his presentation would be about bullying which is exactly what the church does. As MCR said, no big issue over divorce, adultery, fornication, etc.

      May I remind you that not every church is Catholic Mario D? There are many churches who support gay members including clergy.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:22 pm |
    • Michael

      Any faith that is so closely tied to damnation is not built on love, but fear. Christianity started as a faith of love and grace through example, but has devolved into a cult of cruelty. Few Christians now live strive for the humble, helpful life Jesus preach about, shunning it in favor of consumerism, selfishness, and most of all the curdled joy of exclaiming who will go to heaven and who to hell. "Judgement is mine, sayth the Lord," and anyone else who says they know who is going to hell is putting themselves in their god's place. I'm pretty sure that's a worse sin than being gay.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:33 pm |
  5. Journey

    Cute. However let's not forget history; the most corrupt parts of society are always the ones who are considered infallible. Today we see no shortage of TV shows such as Ellen, Oprah, Modern Family, New Normal labeling some parts of society as special or, worse yet, morally superior to the rest of us. We also see no shortage of teachers messing around with their students and older gay people messing around with teens. A coincidence? I think not.

    Gay has become the new ivory tower. Women have become their court jesters. Beware.

    May 2, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
    • not a fan of oorpah

      Good point!

      May 2, 2013 at 7:33 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Funny things gays. I was always under the impression that gays were the sky pilots of stony towers,,,,, my bad,,, 🙁

      They are fairy nice people many a gay is! Sorry God, didn't mean to infringe upon what those atheist fruit of the looms tell you out to be!

      May 2, 2013 at 8:05 pm |
    • sam

      Thanks for more dumbass hyperbole. Now fuck off.

      May 2, 2013 at 9:01 pm |
  6. Where is the other side to this story?

    Why are articles related to gays one-sided?

    May 2, 2013 at 7:18 pm |
    • sam

      Are you assuming there's some shadowy gay agenda behind it? No actual gays had anything to do with this, directly.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
    • joe

      That guy from Far Side retired, dude.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:21 pm |
    • 360

      Please watch the interview tonight

      May 2, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
  7. Angie Nichols

    Im a Steelers fan,from the cradle to the grave but I am now a LeRoy Butler fan for sure! You've got my support!

    May 2, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • joe

      I think Islam troll called Angie a monkey, but I am really not sure.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
    • STFU

      No. Islam said I love you Angie, and I am sure.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:45 pm |
  8. Natrldiver

    I am amazed at all the anti-christian posts here. While I do not necessarily agree with the church's decision, they are a private organization with their view of what is morally right. Just because you do not agree with a decision does not make you any better than them. The liberal leaning of this nation is so skewed that it is a do as I say not as I do society.
    Society today has blurred lines of right and wrong and morals

    May 2, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
    • I Am God

      Liberal leaning? Speaking of someone being skewed in this country; it seems you wish to believe that no one on the right wing side does any of the things you posted.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
    • sam

      OUTRAGE!!!!11!!!!

      Blah blah, liberal this, liberal that. Back to Fox for you.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:07 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Private but tax-exempt. They profess to be christians yet didn't Jesus preach tolerance, love thy neighbor, etc. Christians are too slippery for me to understand, but what they're doing appears to be unchristian.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:09 pm |
    • JBOHDRider

      Yeah that might be true if they paid taxes. Since they don't pay taxes, they are subsidized by the taxpayer and are therefore not a private organization. I can't believe that Leroy didn't state the name of this evil church.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • qs

      Irony is one thing....hypocrisy is something different entirely.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
    • sam

      Translation: "I only see the anti-christian posts; I don't mind the crazy anti-gay posts at all. Those crazy liberals!!"

      May 2, 2013 at 7:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Santa, 2 Timothy 4 is about tolerance. Have you read it?

      May 2, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      HS. Is this church being tolerant? Is it being christian?

      May 2, 2013 at 9:16 pm |
  9. crimsoninok

    Again, liberals are tolerant as long as you agree with them. The church was following the teachings of Christ and letting Butler know that this is not biblical. You do not encourage sin and that is what Butler did. You may not agree, thats fine, just tolerate the existence of those that dont agree. we tolerate Butler, we just dont agree with him. Its about time that it start costing mainstream figures endorcements and speaking engagements.

    May 2, 2013 at 6:59 pm |
    • I Am God

      Another right-wing Christian extremist afraid of the future. The future is coming and your group is dying. Everyone will be cheering in the streets when you disappear.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
    • Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam

      Really, Islamabot? Two Gods. Wow.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:05 pm |
    • sam

      I thought Christ taught love and acceptance...

      May 2, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
    • Natrldiver

      To I Am God. Your post is so hate filled. We are not afraid of the future. Why do you hate a people who just want to practice their beliefs in their own way. Why are you not attacking Muslim beliefs where women have little to no rights. Why not attack the Amish because they do not believe in your lifestyle? Why attack someone or a group of people who stand by their beliefs peaceably?

      It is apparent that the only real people who are intolerant are the liberal left because they don't like a people because of a belief or because they are of a military background. I guess the liberal left is the modern day legion of hate.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • I Am God

      Natrldriver. Let you live peacefully? I have nothing against people who live their lives as Christians. My father is one of them. What I hate and why I attack is due to the fact of religious bigots using their religion to spread their hatred across the country.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
    • sam

      Natrldiver – honestly? Let's check – when the right wing passes laws like DOMA to try and force everyone to live in their worldview. How about that? The moment the Amish or the muslims come banging on the door to force everyone to live by some silly moral structure that makes sure only they are the chosen ones, they'll get the same hostility.

      Boo hoo, liberals liberals liberals.

      Can't imagine why folks like you get flak when they post.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
    • .

      Golly Nat, guess it's only real hate when it's against something you hold dear.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
    • oOo

      Natri, I think Thomas Jefferson could have answered that as well today as in his time:

      [If] the nature of... government [were] a subordination of the civil to the ecclesiastical power, I [would] consider it as desperate for long years to come. Their steady habits [will] exclude the advances of information, and they [will] seem exactly where they [have always been]. And there [the] clergy will always keep them if they can. [They] will follow the bark of liberty only by the help of a tow-rope.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:17 pm |
    • oOo

      (Specifically the last line – liberty stifled by religion.)

      May 2, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Nonbelievers taking everything our Founding Fathers wrote out of context. They discussed the multiple denominations but, never turned their backs on Jesus Christ's teachings. Our Founding Fathers built our country on the truth of Jesus Christ.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:34 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "Why not attack the Amish because they do not believe in your lifestyle?"

      The Amish are not going door to door or telling people that they are sinning for something that science (which will always over-rule religion) says is natural. The Amish tend to be peaceful. They don't protest the funerals of soldiers or the innocent victims of bombings or mass shootings. They don't attempt to influence public life or tell the government what should and shouldn't be taught in schools.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:35 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      HeavenSent

      Nonbelievers taking everything our Founding Fathers wrote out of context. They discussed the multiple denominations but, never turned their backs on Jesus Christ's teachings. Our Founding Fathers built our country on the truth of Jesus Christ.
      ....

      Please provide your evidence.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      HS: You do realize that your imaginary friend believes sinning is a lie right? So why do you do it so often? The USA was not built on your imaginary friend's incestuous son's anything. Deal with it or find a country that shares your ignorance!

      May 2, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
    • oOo

      HS: "Our Founding Fathers built our country on the truth of Jesus Christ."

      As Deist Christians, the first five presidents including John Adams, James Madison & Thomas Jefferson were likely to have quite a different notion of God than the Christian God of today. Deist Christians may have followed Christ's teachings, but usually refuted the divinity of Christ. They were always ready to call out on the dark side of organized religion:

      I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved – the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced! With the rational respect that is due to it, knavish priests have added prostitutions of it, that fill or might fill the blackest and bloodiest pages of human history. "

      (John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson, 09/03/1816)

      Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

      (Thomas Jefferson, from Notes on the State of Virginia, 1785)

      During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.

      (James Madison, chief architect of the U.S. Constitution & Bill of Rights – from A Memorial and Remonstrance as delivered to the Virginia General Assembly in 1785.)

      John Quincy Adams swore on a book of law.

      John Tyler, the 10th POTUS was a Deist Christian.

      Many believe Abraham Lincoln was a Deist.

      John Remsburg, in his book Six Historic Americans (1906), cites several of Lincoln's close associates:

      After his assassination Mrs. Lincoln said: "Mr. Lincoln had no hope and no faith in the usual acceptance of these words." His lifelong friend and executor, Judge David Davis, affirmed the same: "He had no faith in the Christian sense of the term." His biographer, Colonel Lamon, intimately acquainted with him in Illinois, and with him during all the years that he lived in Washington, says: "Never in all that time did he let fall from his lips or his pen an expression which remotely implied the slightest faith in Jesus as the son of God and the Savior of men."

      William Howard Taft, the only U.S. President to also hold the office of Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court:

      I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.

      Theodore Roosevelt did not take the oath of office on a Bible in 1901.

      The Deistic side of John Adams comes out strong in these paragraphs A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America (1787-1788)

      The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.

      Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:44 pm |
    • Jman

      Church, on this matter, is not following the teachings of Christ. Arguably, they are subscribing to particular passages of an entire book that is not only Christ words. And even that argument is one I'd be glad to enter into for greater theological understanding. To be clear though, Butler committed no sin and church seeking an apology and demanding another call to God's forgiveness is, how you say, hypocrisy.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:51 pm |
  10. Ragga

    Such bullish!! This is why many people (including myself) don't go to church!! It is HYPOCRITE central because I GUARANTEE you that there are gay members of that church and as we ALL know there are PLENTY of clergy members who are gay themselves. smdh

    May 2, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
    • sam

      Hindu troll, feel free to keep your opinions where they belong – in Pakistan. Stop concerning yourself with America.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:08 pm |
    • Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam

      Church is for deluded, like Islamabot, not for man kind, root post on the mark.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
  11. Bill

    Christianity at it's finest.

    May 2, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
    • Mistserwire

      The church should glorify God more when they see these kind of things. God wants us to have full freedom to choose whom to serve. Collins has made his choice and we should love him as our fellow human beign and leave judgment for God. Who are we to force religion on others! God made it very clear when he said to let Wheat and the Tares grow together until the day of harvest. The church must obey the word of God and let gay, straight, crooked, lesbian, thief, furnicator, killers, molesters, good and bad people all grow together until the day of harvest. Matthew 13-30.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Mistserwire,

      I do so admire your selfless opinion! 🙂 🙁 🙂

      May 2, 2013 at 7:45 pm |
    • Parfin Woodell

      ISLAM FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN CONSTI TUTION

      It is not of any religion, but a thing for human to do, stay away from man kind

      Nut case.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
  12. qs

    What exactly is it about believing in fairy tales and magic that makes those people appear so sociopathic....manic even?

    May 2, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The antisocial labels and being manic belong to the nonbelievers that put their faith in man.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
  13. lionlylamb

    Individual abnormalities of socialite conditionings leverage all reprobates of lustfulness ways. Gay or bi or even strait are found contemptuous toward their nurturing of fallacies unfit for society as a wholeness. Strait folks are just as bad as the gay crowds are. There is no line to be drawn where s e x u a l infidelities are wrought. I have sinned and am now in repentance. All are sinful and in much need to repent from their ill-gotten ways. God needs no manmade religions to be God. People need not follow the emptiness of the Word for all have been herded thru Time to become deaths' offering plates.

    May 2, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
    • qs

      Oh my, it really is like the blind leading the blind when it comes to religion in general.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
    • Science

      You on the menu too LL !

      Chomp Chomp !

      you could have been on the menu...................Evolution wins hands down time for god(s) to get t

      he hell out of the way !

      Fish Was On the Menu for Early Flying Dinosaur Bye Bye doogie !

      Apr. 22, 2013 — University of Alberta-led research reveals that Microraptor, a small flying dinosaur was a complete hunter, able to swoop down and pickup fish as well as its previously known prey of birds and tree dwelling mammals.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130422154925.htm

      May 2, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • psych ward staff

      Uh oh, he threw up his word salad again. Clean-up on page 9, stat.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Science teeny bopper,

      Evolution stands upon the "creation" of a cellular structure becoming the first of untold numbers of Life here upon this world. Tell me, "Just exactly how did such a cellular structure being Life's first; branch from plants to insects to fish and all mannerisms of mammalian orders"? "Where are the missing links between plants and fish or even mammals"?

      May 2, 2013 at 6:59 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Translation of lionlylamb

      Argument from ignorance.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • Science

      Hey loony...................geography work !

      rather read the fossil records................... OK........... education for works or children !

      First Snapshot of Organisms Eating Each Other: Feast Clue to Smell of Ancient Earth

      Apr. 29, 2013 — Tiny 1,900 million-year-old fossils from rocks around Lake Superior, Canada, give the first ever snapshot of organisms eating each other and suggest what the ancient Earth would have smelled like.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130429154107.htm

      May 2, 2013 at 7:12 pm |
    • Science

      Oops................. works

      May 2, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      hawaiiguest,

      Ignorance brings about blaming when there is found no Word to be had. My Word is bound up and made resolute. Your Word comes from cowardly despair and dare indulges an incongruity of fallacious tenacities meant to enthrall others' who are yet small minded.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Translation of lionlylamb

      "HOW DARE YOU NOT AGREE WITH ME AND POINT OUT A FALLACY I'M USING."

      May 2, 2013 at 7:17 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Science misfit,

      Tell me, "Just exactly how did such a cellular structure being Life's first; branch from plants to insects to fish and all mannerisms of mammalian orders"? "Where are the missing links between plants and fish or even mammals"?

      Use your own Word to tell me your scientific jargons instead of serving up anothers' Word!

      May 2, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
    • Science

      Thanks for the help LL

      Evening again James

      Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

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      May 2, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      H G Well,

      Dig deeply your well for the waters are found not to be in the shallows. Make the walls straight but not too narrow. Meter the well and cut the rope long. Let all who dwell and drink of the well pay their dues. Damn! Two tokes too many! Its reefer madness shining thru my Well!

      May 2, 2013 at 7:38 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      Are you just trying to make as little sense as possible to avoid your fallacy?

      May 2, 2013 at 7:44 pm |
    • Science

      LL................. how many times do you need to go splat before you figure it out ?

      BY the way........ gravity is not up fgor debate !

      Splat goes a fairy in the sky !...............bye bye tinker bell !

      Einstein's Gravity Theory Passes Toughest Test Yet

      Apr. 25, 2013 — A strange stellar pair nearly 7,000 light-years from Earth has provided physicists with a unique cosmic laboratory for studying the nature of gravity. The extremely strong gravity of a massive neutron star in orbit with a companion white dwarf star puts competing theories of gravity to a test more stringent than any available before

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm

      May 2, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
    • Science

      Oops .....for

      May 2, 2013 at 7:50 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      H G's Well

      Me and my "fallacies" seem troubling to you H G Well. Is it too much to build a straight and true dug well Well? Well I'll be!

      May 2, 2013 at 7:52 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @lionly

      Seems I was right.
      Pathetic lionly. Maybe you should learn the meaning of the word "integrity". It might help you.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:59 pm |
  14. Light of Purest Most Undeniable Truth and Love

    They should make this basket ball player pay for his speaking engagement anyway for betraying everyone including our Creator. Most of the commenters here are vile creatures intent of destroying the fabric of our blessed country chosen by the Almighty Himself to lead the way in this vile sinful world. They are the same minions of Satan that are fornicating in odd ways and trying to change our laws to make it easier for their vile sinning. They should be on the ground begging for mercy but they do not see that the mark has already been put upon the land of His great return. They will burn and suffer a thousand deaths for their ignorance. His love will receive the Righteous! Prepare for Him! Amen.

    May 2, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
    • I Am God

      Trrrrrrroooooooooollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

      May 2, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
    • Tweisenberg

      I'll just have to assume that your entire post was sarcasm......

      May 2, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
    • Chase

      Oh boo hoo. You're saying that Jason Collins should pray for forgiveness by being who he is? Please, the world needs less people who are so blinded by their intolerance and hate that they spam this kind of crap. I applaud Jason Collins for his courage.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
    • Parfin Woodell

      Fire and brimstone.
      You said that about Massachussetts, and Iowa, and Connecticut, and ...........

      Still waiting.........

      You need a new line.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
  15. Craig

    Obviously another one of those churches who don't place much value in human beings. Given we don't know the denomination of the church, I'm not going to cast aspersions at any particular religion, but whatever church it is, it certainly doesn't follow the teachings of any Western religion. Of course, that's equally true of many "Christian" churches, and I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't like what his fan club is up to.

    May 2, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
  16. Observer

    HeavenSent

    "the golden rule which quotes mostly Jesus Christ's truth was devised and disguised for the nonbelievers to learn His truth"

    So the LAW and the PROPHETS are not about anything for Christians.

    You are an absolute RIOT! Hysterically funny! Do you read anything you write.

    The Golden Rule is not for Christians! Classic!

    May 2, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The golden rules was written by man for nonbelievers to learn morals and ethics. Christians have read it and know that most of the quotes are from Jesus Christ.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      HS,

      The Golden Rule dates back to ancient Babylon and The Code of Hammurabi, (1780 BCE) - l–o–n–g before any alleged quotes by Jesus.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      p.s. also dates back to ancient China, Egypt, Greece and elsewhere - l-o-n-g before the alleged quotes from Jesus.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
    • Cunning Stunts

      Every 6000 plus years when the "earth" enters a new age in the heavens,
      religion has to "recast" the new savior.
      You Jesus lovers would blow your little minds if you understood how that story
      is IDENTICAL to "Horus" and many before him.

      They keep handing you the same story, with a new name.
      and you fall for it hook, line and sinker.

      The 'species" known as "man" has much evolving to do.
      Knowledge is power and most people are STOOPID.

      I doubt that "gay" is very high on your "Gods" list.
      Its a natural part of the universe.

      You insult your own God.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
  17. The fact of the matter

    It's bizarre that the LGBT community preaches tolerance unless it's toward comments of an opposing view. They must think that tolerance is a one-way street. It's not.

    May 2, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
    • Observer

      The FACT of the matter is that gays are protesting the lack of equal rights. Looks like you've completely missed the point.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
    • sam

      Yes, yes, you find gays annoying. We get it.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:24 pm |
    • I Am God

      Same could be said to you.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
    • Craig

      The idea you convey is about as factually wrong as possible. the LGBTQ community wouldn't be saying a word if they were treated equally, and we all know they're not. If you were a member of a group that was continually publicly bullied and demeaned, I suspect you and your group would likely have something to say about it, and I wouldn't blame you a bit. You can even be a Nazi and I'll support your right to think that way, but when you start attempting to inflict your viewpoint upon others then I will have a problem.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • qs

      Religious Tyranny Tactics 101: portray the victim as the aggressor and the aggressor as the victim.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      qs, you lie as well as turn truth of what is happening aound backwards.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
    • Cunning Stunts

      Wow, somebody took away your right to have an opinion ?
      When did that law get passed ?

      You are thick.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
  18. Mark M

    I'm not sure the church does have a moral stance to reject Butler's speaking. Jesus clearly laid it out, even for churches, in Matthew 22:37-39. LeRoy was fulfilling the second of Jesus' commands and, as such, shames the church. If Jesus isn't your cup of tea, perhaps the whole incident can be summed up in the words of Gandhi, who said, "I like you Christ very much. I do not like your Christians; they are so unlike your Christ." Amen, Mr. Gandhi, Amen.

    May 2, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      +
      Jesus warned us (Matthew 23:1-39) about who sat in the lead roles in the churches, synagogues, any/all false religions today and specifically told us to read and study His truth (the Bible) so that we can sharpen our knowledge with those that profess to know him whether they are teaching His truth or the lies of man.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • sam

      HS, Jesus also warned about Pharisees like yourself.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
    • Can You Smell Stupid ?

      HeavenSent

      +
      Jesus warned us (Matthew 23:1-39) about who sat in the lead roles in the churches, synagogues, any/all false religions today and specifically told us to read and study His truth (the Bible) so that we can sharpen our knowledge with those that profess to know him whether they are teaching His truth or the lies of man.

      The lies of man ?
      You mean, like adding things to the bible
      to push an agenda ?
      Like "Leviticus" for instance ?

      Isnt your book infallible ?
      Guess not.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • lol??

      Do you consider gandhi a pedophile for marryin' a 12-13 year old? You should have had him registered.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
  19. Science

    Gravity is not up for debate !

    BY the way ...................Splat goes a fairy in the sky !...............bye bye tinker bell !

    Einstein's Gravity Theory Passes Toughest Test Yet

    Apr. 25, 2013 — A strange stellar pair nearly 7,000 light-years from Earth has provided physicists with a unique cosmic laboratory for studying the nature of gravity. The extremely strong gravity of a massive neutron star in orbit with a companion white dwarf star puts competing theories of gravity to a test more stringent than any available before

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm

    May 2, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
  20. qs

    Hope this "church" doesn't plan on visiting Rhode Island any time soon since just today it became the 10th state to embrace equality!

    May 2, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bragging about losing one's soul for focusing on the lies of man. T itus 1:10-16

      May 2, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • I Am God

      HeavenSent stop fearing the future.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Another fake handle used by the blameless that has no shame.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
    • sam

      HS, if you're out of your meds again, go to the free clinic.

      May 2, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      So, HS, you're for gay marriage?

      May 2, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Nonbelievers led by a ring through their noses by T itus 1:10-16

      May 2, 2013 at 7:05 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      I see HS spoke to her pastor again and got her daily brainwashing update, too bad it wasn't her psych to get her meds.

      May 2, 2013 at 7:42 pm |
    • Dance This Mess Around

      Rhode Island is a beautiful state full of great people.
      Now, if only the rest of you backward knuckledraggers would grow up.

      May 2, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
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