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When Christians become a 'hated minority'
Evangelical Christians say they are the new victims of intolerance - they're persecuted for condemning homosexuality.
May 5th, 2013
06:00 AM ET

When Christians become a 'hated minority'

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - When Peter Sprigg speaks publicly about his opposition to homosexuality, something odd often happens.

During his speeches, people raise their hands to challenge his assertions that the Bible condemns homosexuality, but no Christians speak out to defend him.

“But after it is over, they will come over to talk to me and whisper in my ear, ‘I agree with everything you said,’" says Sprigg, a spokesman for The Family Research Council, a powerful, conservative Christian lobbying group.

We’ve heard of the “down-low” gay person who keeps his or her sexual identity secret for fear of public scorn. But Sprigg and other evangelicals say changing attitudes toward homosexuality have created a new victim: closeted Christians who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality but will not say so publicly for fear of being labeled a hateful bigot.

As proof, Sprigg points to the backlash that ESPN commentator Chris Broussard sparked recently. Broussard was called a bigot and a purveyor of hate speech when he said an NBA player who had come out as gay was living in “open rebellion to God.” Broussard said the player, Jason Collins, was “living in unrepentant sin” because the Bible condemns homosexuality.

“In the current culture, it takes more courage for someone like Chris Broussard to speak out than for someone like Jason Collins to come out,” says Sprigg, a former pastor. “The media will hail someone who comes out of the closet as gay, but someone who simply expresses their personal religious views about homosexual conduct is attacked.”

When is disagreement hate?

Bryan Litfin, a theology professor at Moody Bible Institute in Illinois, says Christians should be able to publicly say that God designed sex to take place within a marriage between a man and a woman.

“That isn’t so outrageous,” Litfin says. “Nobody is expressing hate toward homosexuals by saying that. Since when is disagreement the same as hate?”

But quoting the Bible doesn't inoculate anyone from becoming a bigot or hater, some scholars say. There's a point at which a Christian's opposition to homosexuality can become bigotry, and even hate speech, they say.

Crossing such a line has happened many times in history.

A literal reading of the Bible was used to justify all sorts of hatred: slavery, the subjugation of women and anti-Semitism, scholars and pastors say.

“Truly damaging speech cannot be excused just because it expresses genuine religious belief,” says Mark D. Jordan, author of “Recruiting Young Love: How Christians Talk about Homosexuality.”

“Some religious beliefs, sincerely held, are detestable. They cannot be spoken without disrupting social peace,” says Jordan, a professor at the John Danforth Center on Religion & Politics at Washington University in St. Louis.

The point where religious speech becomes hate speech is difficult to define, though, scholars and activists say.

The Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama is a nonprofit civil rights group that combats and monitors hate groups. Three years ago, it designated the Family Research Council, the group that Sprigg represents, as a hate group - a characterization the group stridently rejects.

Mark Potok,  a center spokesman, says there’s no shared definition of what constitutes hate speech.

“There is no legal meaning. It’s just a phrase,” Potok says. “Hate speech is in the ear of the beholder.”

'One of the most hated minorities?'

Intolerance may be difficult to define, but some evangelicals say they have become victims of intolerance because of their reverence for the Bible.

The conservative media culture is filled with stories about evangelicals being labeled as “extremists” for their belief that homosexuality is a sin.

Their sense of persecution goes beyond their stance on homosexuality. There are stories circulating of evangelical students being suspended for opposing homosexuality, a teacher fired for giving a Bible to a curious student, and the rise of anti-Christian bigotry.

A blogger at The American Dream asked in one essay:

“Are evangelical Christians rapidly becoming one of the most hated minorities in America?”

The reluctance of evangelicals to speak out against homosexuality is often cited as proof they are being forced into the closet.

Joe Carter, editor for The Gospel Coalition, an online evangelical magazine, wrote a blog post entitled “Debatable: Is the Christian Church a ‘Hate Group’?" He warned that young people will abandon “orthodox” Christian churches that teach that homosexuality is a sin for fear of being called haters.

“Faux civility, embarrassment, prudishness and a fear of expressing an unpopular opinion has caused many Christians to refrain from explaining how homosexual conduct destroys lives,” Carter wrote.

Some Christians fear that opposing homosexuality could cause them to lose their jobs and “haunt them forever,” Carter says.

“It’s easier to just go along,” says Carter, who is also author of “How to Argue Like Jesus.” “You don’t want to be lumped in with the bigots. That’s a powerful word."

Edward Johnson, a communication professor at Campbell University in North Carolina, says we are now living in a "postmodern" era where everything is relative and there is no universally accepted truth. It's an environment in which anyone who says "this is right" and "that is wrong" is labeled intolerant, he says.

There was a time when a person could publicly say homosexuality was wrong and people could consider the statement without anger, he says. Today, people have reverted to an intellectual tribalism where they are only willing to consider the perspective of their own tribe.

“They are incapable of comprehending that someone may have a view different than theirs,” Johnson says. “For them anyone who dares to question the dogma of the tribe can only be doing so out of hatred.”

Sprigg, from the Family Research Council, says his condemnation of homosexual conduct does not spring from intolerance but a desire to protect gays from harmful conduct, he says.

Sprigg, a senior fellow for policy studies at the council, wrote in a council pamphlet that homosexual men are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse than are straight men. He also wrote that gay men are also afflicted with a higher rate of sexually transmitted diseases and mental illness as well.

Sprigg says he does not believe homosexuality is a choice and that “personal testimonies" and "clinical experience” show that some people “can and do change from gay to straight.”

“Maybe we need to do a better job of showing that we are motivated by Christian love,” Sprigg says. “Love is wanting the best for someone, and acting to bring that about.”

'That's a lie'

Potok, from the Southern Poverty Law Center, has little use for the love Sprigg talks about.

He calls it hatred, and his voice rose in anger when he talked about the claims by Sprigg and other Christian groups that gay men are more predisposed to molest children and that homosexual behavior is inherently harmful.

He says the Southern Poverty Law Center didn’t designate the Family Research Group a hate group because they view homosexuality as a sin or oppose same-sex marriage, Potok says. There are plenty of Christian groups who hold those beliefs but are not hate groups, he says.

A group becomes a hate group when it attacks and maligns an entire class of people for their “immutable characteristics,” Potok says. The Family Research Council spreads known falsehoods about gays and lesbians, he says, such as the contention that gay men are predisposed to abuse children.

“That’s a lie,” Potok says. “These guys are engaging in straight-up defamation of a very large group of people. There are not many things much worse than you can say in America about somebody than they are a child molester.”

Potok scoffed at Spriggs’ claim that the council and other evangelical anti-gay groups are victims of intolerance.

“That’s whining on the part of people who spend their days and nights attacking gay people and then some people criticize them and they don’t like it,” he says. “That’s pathetic. It reminds me of slave owners complaining that people are saying ugly things about them.”

What the Bible says

What about the popular evangelical claim, “We don’t hate the sinner, just the sin” – is that seen as intolerance or hate speech when it comes to homosexuality?

There are those who say you can’t hate the sin and love the sinner because being gay or lesbian is defined by one’s sexual behavior; it’s who someone is.

“Most people who identify as gay and lesbian would say that this is not an action I’m choosing to do; this is who I am,” says Timothy Beal, author of “The Rise and Fall of the Bible: The Unexpected History of an Accidental Book.”

Beal, a religion professor at Case Western University in Ohio, says it should be difficult for any Christian to unequivocally declare that the Bible opposes homosexuality because the Bible doesn’t take a single position on the topic. It's an assertion that many scholars and mainline Protestant pastors would agree with.

Some people cite Old Testament scriptures as condemning homosexuality, such as  Leviticus 18:22 - “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.” But other Christians counter by saying they are not bound by the Old Testament.

There are those who also cite New Testament scriptures like Romans 1:26-27 - “… Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men. …”

Beal, however, says Jesus said little about sex. And the Apostle Paul, who wrote Romans, was probably referring to male prostitution and men having sexual relations with boys, a practice in the Greco-Roman world.

“Paul does not understand genetics and sexual orientation the way we understand it now as something much more than a choice,” says Beal.

Some evangelicals say Christians can’t change their view of biblical truth just because times change. But some scholars reply:

Sure you can. Christians do it all the time.

Denying a woman’s ability to preach in church was justified by scriptures like 1 Timothy 2:11-12 - “… I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” But many churches have abandoned that teaching - and some scholars say a woman preached the first Christian sermon, when Mary Magdalene proclaimed that Jesus had risen.

Slaveholders in 19th century America justified slavery through a literal reading of the Bible, quoting Titus 2:9-10 – “Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything. …” And anti-Semitism was justified by the claims that Jews killed Jesus, such as Matthew 27: 25-26 - “Let his blood be on us and on our children.”

Litfin, from Moody Bible Institute, acknowledged that the Bible once sanctioned slavery, but he said that practice was a “cultural expression” that changed over time. Evangelicals who oppose same-sex marriage by citing the Bible are on more solid ground, he says.

“Marriage is a universal and timeless institution that God set up for maximum human flourishing. He set it up in the first book of the Bible with the story of Adam and Eve. It is consistent throughout the whole Bible. … Marriage is in a different category than those cultural things.”

Public jousts over the Bible's stance on homosexuality rarely change people’s minds. What changes is when people get to know gay and lesbian people as friends and hear their story, says Beal, author of “The Rise and Fall of the Bible.”

“If you open up to that other person genuinely, you basically come to a point where you have to sacrifice them to your ideology or crack open your ideology to make a hospitable place for them,” Beal says.

One Christian pastor who is gay says the uproar over the ESPN commentator’s comments can actually be good,  because debates help settle moral disputes.

“What appears to us as antiquated and prejudicial now was once a disputed issue that required debate,” says the Rev. Richard McCarty, a minister in the United Church of Christ and a religious studies professor at Mercyhurst University in Pennsylvania.

Until the debate over homosexuality is settled - if it ever is - there may be plenty of evangelical Christians who feel as if they are now being forced to stay in the closet.

Carter, the evangelical blogger, says he foresees a day when any church that preaches against homosexuality will be marginalized. Just as many churches now accept divorce, they will accept sexual practices once considered sinful.

“It’s getting to the point,” he says, “where churches are not going to say that any sexual activity is wrong.”

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Christianity • Church • Church and state • Culture wars • Protest • Sex • Sexuality • Sports

soundoff (10,982 Responses)
  1. blakenaustin

    There is far more hatred and bigotry coming from the Democrat party and the far left media than from political conservatives. And yet they love to regularly accuse those with whom they disagree of hatred and bigotry. Their intolerance is directed to those with a strong moral compass, which includes evangelical Christians. Their intolerance toward those who don't share their amoral and sometimes immoral perspective on social issues is the height of hypocrisy.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • squaji

      Not only are you wrong, but you are also a m o r o n.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • loreeee

      Strong moral compass? How many of the evangelical leaders have divorced? Cheated on their spouses? Lied? Cheated on taxes? Stolen from the church?

      Quite a few. More than not.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:50 am |
    • Riley

      You just said evangelicals. Please god tell me you seriously think westboro baptist church don't spew anything but hate. They literally picket funerals

      May 5, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • RJP3

      Only if you believe the lies you read in the right wing propaganda mill – and think that people fighting off the chains of RELIGIOUS LAW is hate

      May 5, 2013 at 9:52 am |
    • Porky Rottenham

      Still playing "Us Against Them?" That's a fool's game, man.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • Wes Scott

      I agree with what squaji said!

      May 5, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • Rolph

      Let me guess
      You have been home schooled-right?
      Your education has been a bit one sided
      Your exposure to humanity has been limited by your beliefs

      May 5, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • madrogio

      Actually, I have never accused 'you' and 'you people' of hatred and bigotry. But comments like these are beginning to change my mind...how about some specifics?

      May 5, 2013 at 10:00 am |
    • False Christianity

      There is a religious crisis in America. It stems from the evangelical/conservative christian move to take over government functions. This was allowed by Dubya Bush and his Faith Based Initiative. That spells GOP! REPUBLICANS! Conservatives! Simply blaming liberals is stupid and ignorant. The good thing is that the people are rejecting the conservative agenda. Only religious nuts seem brainwashed enough to believe in it.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:07 am |
  2. The Vatican folks beat off! :)

    it's a fact. Even sheep should know this.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:47 am |
  3. MaryM

    To Christians or any religion. When you use your religion or your God to Spew your hatred towards people you disagree with, then you will Get Back exactly what you Spew

    May 5, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Chris

      I guess the same could be said of the atheists of the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe when they finally got kicked out of power and got back what they deserved for the murders of millions.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:57 am |
  4. Riley

    Oh cry me a river. Christians have been doing this with hate in their hearts for god knows how long. This article is a sham. It's so sad Christians are playing this card now. It's like me being white and saying their is reverse racism if I were to say I believe anyone of darker skin should not be allowed the same rights as myself. Then when people challenge that I'm like "Hey guys, it's just my belief. This is reverse racism" What a crock of you know what

    May 5, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Porky Rottenham

      You're a funny guy Riley. Some of what you say almost makes sense. You lose me when you get to the Liberal Propaganda.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • RJP3

      Bravo Riley - interesting how Porky thought what you made sense until you made a fully rational comment on racism.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • Riley

      What liberal propaganda? I am not a liberal I am an independent. And FYI, I have never once voted for a democratic candidate

      May 5, 2013 at 9:53 am |
  5. Alan

    Evangelical Christians are feeling the backlash because non-believers are tired of their evangelism, and their attempts to force everyone else to comply with their beliefs through political activism. The difference between a gay advocate and an evangelical is that gays just want to be treated as equals, evangelicals want to treat gays as second class citizens based on a 2000 year old book of parables and allegory. Nobody likes a busybody.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Liberalism RequiresTyranny

      Alan,

      You've got it exactly 180 degrees from reality. You are calling the good guys evil and the evil guys good.
      It is the gay activist, and their supporters like you, who literally want to use the full force of government to FORCE others to condone and honor their favored perversions, which are in direct opposition to their religious beliefs.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • CafeenMan

      Exactly right, Alan. Mr. Tyranny guy thinks that he has a right to legislate his screwed up morality and fears unto everyone. He doesn't even have the courage or integrity to be honest about his claims. What it boils down to is his personal hatred, not anything to do with God.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • morgan

      your a stubborn idiot. that's all I can say. because any comment with logic proof and explanation against you, you will automatically reject out of stubbornness and cowardness.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:57 am |
    • CafeenMan

      You've had over 2,000 years to produce the first bit of evidence of your god, Morgan. Let us know when you do that. You'll be the first person in history to do so.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • Liberalism RequiresTyranny

      I'd like to point out: Cafeenman and his ilk have not yet put forth one single argument using facts, logic, or reason.

      All they (liberals) have is their straw man arguments, where they project their own evil hate-fueled imaginations onto their opposition, and then argue against their own prejudiced imaginations. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

      One note of irony is that they demonstrate with every such post that the modern liberal has actually become the caricatures that conservatives thought them to be.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • Melissa

      Exactly. They want to force everyone to live by their religion whether they agree with it or not. No one cares what you believe, so long as you leave everyone else out of it.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:48 am |
  6. Smokey

    What people are calling fundamentalism, that's a reaction and a backlash against the overwhelming power and influence of secularism and an ungodly culture, people who are strong in their beliefs, you can't demand that they just put that in the background and keep it private when it's something that's supposed to be front and center in their lives. When the founders said, "Separation of Church and State," and "Congress shall make no establishment," they meant that America should not be officially Catholic or Episcopalian or Methodist, all should be welcome and free. They definitely did not mean that there should be a Secular Establishment, where the only permitted religion is no religion, that is the opposite of Separation of Church and State, but that is what America has now and as all can see, America is the weaker for it. If America wants to reclaim her glory, America must go back to the way it was before the 1960s when the official religion Secularism was Established as dominant and maintaining Theocracy, that is wrong and unamerican.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Alan

      Freedom of religion also includes freedom from religion. Those that choose not to believe should not have to have others' beliefs shoved down their throats, or worse, legislated into law.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:50 am |
    • morgan

      freedom of religion doesn't mean pray in your basement with the doors locked. it means you can pray anywhere and you have the freedom to express your religion anywhere. I'm with you smokey.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • G to the T

      You absolutely have the freedom to express your opinion and your faith. But if we're all going to live in this pluralistic socieity, we need to find a place where everyone has the most about of liberty possible. That will never come from excluding a group, even christians. The best way to do that (to have a government that represents EVERYONE) is to ensure that the laws are a nuetral as possible. The problem as I see it is that for decades there was never any challenge to the Christian hemogeny. Now that there is one, it feels like being put down but it's really just the field being evened...

      May 8, 2013 at 10:50 am |
  7. JC

    The comments here just, overall, support the premise. Christianity is under attack. It is clear and, in the end, it seems it is under attack because it believes in right and wrong, good and evil and not, if it feels good...do it.

    Being "good" is far harder than being "bad" and it appears taking the easy way is the choice of the "majority" today...thus, fewer self-employed people than at any time in history (cuz its hard work) and more than 100 million people on welfare of one kind or another (cuz why work when you can get something without work) to name two manifestations of this new "belief" system....and, Christianity is no different....following even the 10 commandments is hard work so why not believe there is no God and just "do it"? I totally get it...I just believe something else and I am persecuted for it.

    Yes, Christianity is under attack.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • JC

      and, don't confuse "Faith" with "religion". One is of God, the other of man and the man one seems to be the trouble point. How can you argue with Love others as you love yourself

      May 5, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • CafeenMan

      Wow... another poor, persecuted Christian victim. Guess what? Atheists also know right from wrong and they know it due to empathy with other humans – not because they're afraid of some sort of punishment. As a comedian said, you're one crisis of faith away from becoming a mass murderer.

      How about you try this for once and see how much you still get "attacked": Mind your own business and stop trying to legislate your beliefs unto everyone. You're no "victim". People are defending themselves against your on-going aggression and you think they have no right to do that. When they do you think YOU'RE the victim. But then if you believe in silly nonsense like talking snakes and magical creations then nobody would expect you to think rationally about your own behavior.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:01 am |
  8. The Vatican folks beat off! :)

    enough said!

    May 5, 2013 at 9:46 am |
    • morgan

      your an idiot. even your name says so.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:59 am |
    • CafeenMan

      Say Morgan.... if "your" going to call someone an idiot you might want to at least be able to spell third grade vocabulary words properly. If you can't be bothered to do that then you should probably not make feeble attempts to insult the intelligence of others. That tip is free. Next one is a dollar.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:03 am |
    • Susan

      @CafeenMan: What exactly is "cafeen"?

      May 5, 2013 at 10:07 am |
  9. Joe

    This article is nonsense. The reason that Christians were denounced is because of the merciless attack on any action that they perceive to be against their views of the bible. Not everyone agrees with their particular interpretation of the bible and not everyone agrees with their condemnation of the lifestyle. If preachers want to rail in church about anything and everything, no problem. I don't think it's important or necessary to issue a personal condemnation of any individual. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:46 am |
  10. jay

    Are we not yet sick of all the 'bad' Christians playing the poor me, minority card? The Bible is a long 'STORY' w'ritten by MEN that should be challenged when it is cited as justification for just about anything. Some of the extreme religious right folks belong in the same bus as the radical Muslums; no tolerance for anyone or anything that may differ from what some clown may have jotted down 2,000 plus years ago to justify his actions or the actions for a group of like minded folks.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:45 am |
    • morgan

      your a stubborn idiot.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:49 am |
  11. Cedar rapids

    “They are incapable of comprehending that someone may have a view different than theirs,” Johnson says. “For them anyone who dares to question the dogma of the tribe can only be doing so out of hatred.”

    sounds like the christian claim of hated minority there.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:45 am |
  12. Clan Destine

    So, let me get this straight (no pun intended)...A group of people is complaining that they're being persecuted because they're not being allowed to impose their beliefs (for which there is no proof to support) on others and society as a whole?

    That's pretty rich.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:45 am |
    • morgan

      I'd argue against you but I realize your stubborn, and if a have a valid and logical explanation that contradicts your beliefs, than you will automatically reject it out of stubbornness, selfishness and cowardness.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:02 am |
    • CafeenMan

      You don't have an explanation with any evidence to back it, Morgan. If you could produce the first bit of evidence of a god you would get a lot of converts. Frankly, I don't care if there is a god or not. But I'm not going to believe there is one until I see evidence. When that evidence is produced I will give it consideration. The more evidence you have the better. I won't hold my breath.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:04 am |
  13. lngtrmthnkr

    I am aChristian who believes in tolerance and love for all and to not cast stones at anyone who is different.Jesus said to love one another, not just the ones who believe as you do,everyone!.Start listening to what he says and do as he says.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:45 am |
    • morgan

      Amen!

      May 5, 2013 at 9:49 am |
    • CafeenMan

      There are so few Christians who think as you do. Most just use their religion as a weapon against others but never even consider applying it to themselves. It would interfere too much with their hatred and greed.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:57 am |
  14. RJP3

    Thanks CNN for proving again how low you will go.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • morgan

      it is true. mass media rejects Christianity because we make them look bad by teaching against evils.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:03 am |
    • CafeenMan

      You mean like the loving god Bush claimed told him to go kill hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis?

      May 5, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • Daniel David Bergman

      Marriage in the USA is secular – a marriage license is required and clergy and many public officials must be granted the right to marry people by state laws. Christians can believe what they want, but when Christians publicly incite and finance political opposition with false propaganda to oppose giving Gays the equal protection of our laws they become a hate group.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • Sane Person

      You do realize this is an opinion piece, like every single sunday, written by John Blake.. .a christian. You guys cant stop hating long enough to see what you are hating against.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:54 am |
  15. sybaris

    Oh please, Christians a hated minority?

    Let's see we have:

    Bibles in every motel room
    God on our money
    Prayer before public events
    Christian cable networks 24/7
    Discounts on insurance for being Christian
    Churches every 6 blocks in every city over 100,000
    Laws that prevent non-Christians from holding public office
    Christian bookstores in every town over 12,000
    God in the Pledge of Allegiance
    Televangelists 24/7
    Christian billboards along the highway advertising Vacation Bible School and “Repent or go to He.ll”
    Federally recognized Christian holiday
    Radioevangelists 24/7
    Religious organizations are tax free
    75% of the population claims to be Christian
    National day of prayer
    God in the National Anthem
    Weekday Christian education for elementary students.
    Christian clergy led prayer at Presidential inaugurations

    Please, take the persecuted christian whine line somewhere else.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • bobaboohee

      Can I get an Amen brothers and sisters?

      May 5, 2013 at 9:49 am |
    • KamKay

      AMEN!

      May 5, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • morgan

      Oh, and don't forget the thousands of Christians world wide who have to hide their faith so they won't be caught and thrown into a torture chamber until they reject their faith. Don't forget the Christians who are beaten senseless by jihadist because of their faith. And don't forget the every-day persecutions from mass-media, social websites, and event he government. don't forget the poor Christian mothers who lost their children to anti-Christian extremist. don't forget the hundreds of thousands of Christians world-wide who are a persecuted minority.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • CafeenMan

      I'm going to buy some lions. How about you come over for dinner, Morgan, and we'll discuss your ongoing victimhood.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • morgan

      sure. i'll bring the holy spirit because it seems like only a divine being can brake through your stubbornness.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • Mike Murphy

      Amen!

      May 5, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • CafeenMan

      See Morgan, I've been telling you the truth all along and you want to believe what you want to believe. You keep calling myself and others "stubborn" because it makes you feel better than you would feel if you accepted the truth. And the truth is there is ZERO evidence of a god. Prove god exists and I know I'll believe it. Sorry to burst your tidy little bubble, but you're projecting and it's pretty obvious.

      May 5, 2013 at 10:07 am |
    • morgan

      you want proof? look around you. how did the universe come to existence?

      May 5, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • Sane Person

      Prove I dont have an invisible unicorn in my pocket. Come on, prove it!

      May 5, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • Mike

      Well, I expect you to work on Christmas then. Have a great time.

      May 6, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
  16. Liberalism RequiresTyranny

    Athens guy,

    If you were smart enough to hear the words being typed INTO your keyboard, you'd know that you've just check mated your goofy self. Apparently, you're not even smart enough to hear yourself, much less someone else.

    You said "live according to my morals". That is precisely what we've been doing. My morals say speak out against self destructive behavior. I don't even have a choice. I'm supposed to love my neighbor. I must fight against things that harm my family and my neighbor.

    The thought-virus that you liberals are contaminated with is a direct threat to the well being of every human and animal. Love compels Christians to resist your intended-homicide bombing of the earth.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • CafeenMan

      Interestingly, you sound very hateful while trying to make it sound as if liberals behaving as you are now is a bad thing.

      So once again you play the victim card. You want to force your "morals" down everyone's throats and when they tell you to stay out of their lives it's YOU who are the victim. I'm glad to say that's working less and less well for you as time goes by.

      People defending themselves against aggressive "Christian" behavior doesn't make you a victim. Maybe you should come to terms with what Christians actually do and you'd understand that you are the problem, not the victim.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:49 am |
    • bobaboohee

      You and your kind are going the way of the dinasours and for that we thank you! Now please hurry the world needs less of the hate you espouse.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:51 am |
  17. Dave

    I don't know about 'hate' for the person espousing it...

    ... but personally I despise evangelical philosophy, and would rather sportscasters etc. shut up about their religious views on TV. The sportscaster wants to go to a church and rant? Cool. Do it on TV? I am changing the channel and not likely to ever watch that sportscaster again.

    Is that hate? I don't think I have any animosity towards the person, but I really do dislike evangelical christian interpretation of... well, just about everything really. And I very much avoid people that shove those views in my face. If they come to my door, I ask them to leave, if they get pushy, I threaten to call the police to remove them from my property if they won't go (which gets even the pushiest off my doorstep, I've never had to call).

    I 'hate' evangelicals the way conservatives 'hate' liberals or the way liberals 'hate' conservatives. It's a philosophy thing, nothing personal.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • Liberalism RequiresTyranny

      You don't hate evangelicals. You hate love because it would have more for, and from, you. You think love is evil, just like God said you would.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Dave

      How could you possibly know my views on love... or religion. For all you know I am a devout Christian. I said 'evangelical philosophy' is something I dislike. You then make presumptions of how I must hate god or something... and giving me one more reason to dislike your philosophy...

      When will you people realise these actions are driving me away from your views? not bringing me to them.

      I find your certainty in judging me repugnant.

      May 5, 2013 at 9:59 am |
    • morgan

      you are stubborn!

      May 5, 2013 at 10:06 am |
    • Dave

      Morgan... yes, yes I am 😉

      May 5, 2013 at 11:33 am |
  18. cORWIN7

    Evangelical Christians lost thier right to proclaim moral superiority when they collectively sold thier souls for greed and political power during the Bush administration by aligning themselves with torturers and murderers and thieves....Pride, you see, cometh before a fall...

    May 5, 2013 at 9:43 am |
    • RJP3

      When religion wants to CONTROL a population by FORCE / LAW it always sides with the RIGHT WING POLITICAL PARTY who partner with it as a tool for votes. (SEE FRANCO's SPAIN)

      May 5, 2013 at 9:46 am |
  19. Chris

    Evangelical Christians want us to tolerate their intolerance. Sorry, no.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:43 am |
  20. Cedar rapids

    'Reason – Darwin married his cousin'

    and?
    and i would point out that adam and eve's kids, and Noah's family would have done the same, if not worse.

    May 5, 2013 at 9:43 am |
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