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When Christians become a 'hated minority'
Evangelical Christians say they are the new victims of intolerance - they're persecuted for condemning homosexuality.
May 5th, 2013
06:00 AM ET

When Christians become a 'hated minority'

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - When Peter Sprigg speaks publicly about his opposition to homosexuality, something odd often happens.

During his speeches, people raise their hands to challenge his assertions that the Bible condemns homosexuality, but no Christians speak out to defend him.

“But after it is over, they will come over to talk to me and whisper in my ear, ‘I agree with everything you said,’" says Sprigg, a spokesman for The Family Research Council, a powerful, conservative Christian lobbying group.

We’ve heard of the “down-low” gay person who keeps his or her sexual identity secret for fear of public scorn. But Sprigg and other evangelicals say changing attitudes toward homosexuality have created a new victim: closeted Christians who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality but will not say so publicly for fear of being labeled a hateful bigot.

As proof, Sprigg points to the backlash that ESPN commentator Chris Broussard sparked recently. Broussard was called a bigot and a purveyor of hate speech when he said an NBA player who had come out as gay was living in “open rebellion to God.” Broussard said the player, Jason Collins, was “living in unrepentant sin” because the Bible condemns homosexuality.

“In the current culture, it takes more courage for someone like Chris Broussard to speak out than for someone like Jason Collins to come out,” says Sprigg, a former pastor. “The media will hail someone who comes out of the closet as gay, but someone who simply expresses their personal religious views about homosexual conduct is attacked.”

When is disagreement hate?

Bryan Litfin, a theology professor at Moody Bible Institute in Illinois, says Christians should be able to publicly say that God designed sex to take place within a marriage between a man and a woman.

“That isn’t so outrageous,” Litfin says. “Nobody is expressing hate toward homosexuals by saying that. Since when is disagreement the same as hate?”

But quoting the Bible doesn't inoculate anyone from becoming a bigot or hater, some scholars say. There's a point at which a Christian's opposition to homosexuality can become bigotry, and even hate speech, they say.

Crossing such a line has happened many times in history.

A literal reading of the Bible was used to justify all sorts of hatred: slavery, the subjugation of women and anti-Semitism, scholars and pastors say.

“Truly damaging speech cannot be excused just because it expresses genuine religious belief,” says Mark D. Jordan, author of “Recruiting Young Love: How Christians Talk about Homosexuality.”

“Some religious beliefs, sincerely held, are detestable. They cannot be spoken without disrupting social peace,” says Jordan, a professor at the John Danforth Center on Religion & Politics at Washington University in St. Louis.

The point where religious speech becomes hate speech is difficult to define, though, scholars and activists say.

The Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama is a nonprofit civil rights group that combats and monitors hate groups. Three years ago, it designated the Family Research Council, the group that Sprigg represents, as a hate group - a characterization the group stridently rejects.

Mark Potok,  a center spokesman, says there’s no shared definition of what constitutes hate speech.

“There is no legal meaning. It’s just a phrase,” Potok says. “Hate speech is in the ear of the beholder.”

'One of the most hated minorities?'

Intolerance may be difficult to define, but some evangelicals say they have become victims of intolerance because of their reverence for the Bible.

The conservative media culture is filled with stories about evangelicals being labeled as “extremists” for their belief that homosexuality is a sin.

Their sense of persecution goes beyond their stance on homosexuality. There are stories circulating of evangelical students being suspended for opposing homosexuality, a teacher fired for giving a Bible to a curious student, and the rise of anti-Christian bigotry.

A blogger at The American Dream asked in one essay:

“Are evangelical Christians rapidly becoming one of the most hated minorities in America?”

The reluctance of evangelicals to speak out against homosexuality is often cited as proof they are being forced into the closet.

Joe Carter, editor for The Gospel Coalition, an online evangelical magazine, wrote a blog post entitled “Debatable: Is the Christian Church a ‘Hate Group’?" He warned that young people will abandon “orthodox” Christian churches that teach that homosexuality is a sin for fear of being called haters.

“Faux civility, embarrassment, prudishness and a fear of expressing an unpopular opinion has caused many Christians to refrain from explaining how homosexual conduct destroys lives,” Carter wrote.

Some Christians fear that opposing homosexuality could cause them to lose their jobs and “haunt them forever,” Carter says.

“It’s easier to just go along,” says Carter, who is also author of “How to Argue Like Jesus.” “You don’t want to be lumped in with the bigots. That’s a powerful word."

Edward Johnson, a communication professor at Campbell University in North Carolina, says we are now living in a "postmodern" era where everything is relative and there is no universally accepted truth. It's an environment in which anyone who says "this is right" and "that is wrong" is labeled intolerant, he says.

There was a time when a person could publicly say homosexuality was wrong and people could consider the statement without anger, he says. Today, people have reverted to an intellectual tribalism where they are only willing to consider the perspective of their own tribe.

“They are incapable of comprehending that someone may have a view different than theirs,” Johnson says. “For them anyone who dares to question the dogma of the tribe can only be doing so out of hatred.”

Sprigg, from the Family Research Council, says his condemnation of homosexual conduct does not spring from intolerance but a desire to protect gays from harmful conduct, he says.

Sprigg, a senior fellow for policy studies at the council, wrote in a council pamphlet that homosexual men are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse than are straight men. He also wrote that gay men are also afflicted with a higher rate of sexually transmitted diseases and mental illness as well.

Sprigg says he does not believe homosexuality is a choice and that “personal testimonies" and "clinical experience” show that some people “can and do change from gay to straight.”

“Maybe we need to do a better job of showing that we are motivated by Christian love,” Sprigg says. “Love is wanting the best for someone, and acting to bring that about.”

'That's a lie'

Potok, from the Southern Poverty Law Center, has little use for the love Sprigg talks about.

He calls it hatred, and his voice rose in anger when he talked about the claims by Sprigg and other Christian groups that gay men are more predisposed to molest children and that homosexual behavior is inherently harmful.

He says the Southern Poverty Law Center didn’t designate the Family Research Group a hate group because they view homosexuality as a sin or oppose same-sex marriage, Potok says. There are plenty of Christian groups who hold those beliefs but are not hate groups, he says.

A group becomes a hate group when it attacks and maligns an entire class of people for their “immutable characteristics,” Potok says. The Family Research Council spreads known falsehoods about gays and lesbians, he says, such as the contention that gay men are predisposed to abuse children.

“That’s a lie,” Potok says. “These guys are engaging in straight-up defamation of a very large group of people. There are not many things much worse than you can say in America about somebody than they are a child molester.”

Potok scoffed at Spriggs’ claim that the council and other evangelical anti-gay groups are victims of intolerance.

“That’s whining on the part of people who spend their days and nights attacking gay people and then some people criticize them and they don’t like it,” he says. “That’s pathetic. It reminds me of slave owners complaining that people are saying ugly things about them.”

What the Bible says

What about the popular evangelical claim, “We don’t hate the sinner, just the sin” – is that seen as intolerance or hate speech when it comes to homosexuality?

There are those who say you can’t hate the sin and love the sinner because being gay or lesbian is defined by one’s sexual behavior; it’s who someone is.

“Most people who identify as gay and lesbian would say that this is not an action I’m choosing to do; this is who I am,” says Timothy Beal, author of “The Rise and Fall of the Bible: The Unexpected History of an Accidental Book.”

Beal, a religion professor at Case Western University in Ohio, says it should be difficult for any Christian to unequivocally declare that the Bible opposes homosexuality because the Bible doesn’t take a single position on the topic. It's an assertion that many scholars and mainline Protestant pastors would agree with.

Some people cite Old Testament scriptures as condemning homosexuality, such as  Leviticus 18:22 - “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.” But other Christians counter by saying they are not bound by the Old Testament.

There are those who also cite New Testament scriptures like Romans 1:26-27 - “… Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men. …”

Beal, however, says Jesus said little about sex. And the Apostle Paul, who wrote Romans, was probably referring to male prostitution and men having sexual relations with boys, a practice in the Greco-Roman world.

“Paul does not understand genetics and sexual orientation the way we understand it now as something much more than a choice,” says Beal.

Some evangelicals say Christians can’t change their view of biblical truth just because times change. But some scholars reply:

Sure you can. Christians do it all the time.

Denying a woman’s ability to preach in church was justified by scriptures like 1 Timothy 2:11-12 - “… I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” But many churches have abandoned that teaching - and some scholars say a woman preached the first Christian sermon, when Mary Magdalene proclaimed that Jesus had risen.

Slaveholders in 19th century America justified slavery through a literal reading of the Bible, quoting Titus 2:9-10 – “Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything. …” And anti-Semitism was justified by the claims that Jews killed Jesus, such as Matthew 27: 25-26 - “Let his blood be on us and on our children.”

Litfin, from Moody Bible Institute, acknowledged that the Bible once sanctioned slavery, but he said that practice was a “cultural expression” that changed over time. Evangelicals who oppose same-sex marriage by citing the Bible are on more solid ground, he says.

“Marriage is a universal and timeless institution that God set up for maximum human flourishing. He set it up in the first book of the Bible with the story of Adam and Eve. It is consistent throughout the whole Bible. … Marriage is in a different category than those cultural things.”

Public jousts over the Bible's stance on homosexuality rarely change people’s minds. What changes is when people get to know gay and lesbian people as friends and hear their story, says Beal, author of “The Rise and Fall of the Bible.”

“If you open up to that other person genuinely, you basically come to a point where you have to sacrifice them to your ideology or crack open your ideology to make a hospitable place for them,” Beal says.

One Christian pastor who is gay says the uproar over the ESPN commentator’s comments can actually be good,  because debates help settle moral disputes.

“What appears to us as antiquated and prejudicial now was once a disputed issue that required debate,” says the Rev. Richard McCarty, a minister in the United Church of Christ and a religious studies professor at Mercyhurst University in Pennsylvania.

Until the debate over homosexuality is settled - if it ever is - there may be plenty of evangelical Christians who feel as if they are now being forced to stay in the closet.

Carter, the evangelical blogger, says he foresees a day when any church that preaches against homosexuality will be marginalized. Just as many churches now accept divorce, they will accept sexual practices once considered sinful.

“It’s getting to the point,” he says, “where churches are not going to say that any sexual activity is wrong.”

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Christianity • Church • Church and state • Culture wars • Protest • Sex • Sexuality • Sports

soundoff (10,982 Responses)
  1. gay guy

    CNN has sank to new lows

    May 5, 2013 at 11:10 am |
    • Christian Gone Pagan

      True True

      May 5, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • MagicPanties

      Well, sank you for that brilliant comment.
      I am just.... sunk.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • I Am God

      Why don't you stop being a coward troll and stick to one profile name.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:14 am |
  2. mary

    Evangelicals? define evangelicals because all he ones i know couldn't care less about gays are divorced and remarried have woman pastors and married priests...

    May 5, 2013 at 11:10 am |
    • JJ

      Those aren't evangelics or they are the all too common hypocritical evangelical.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:17 am |
    • Garrick

      I believe "Evangelical" would be anybody that begins and ends every sentence with "YER GONNA BUR'N HELL!!"

      May 5, 2013 at 11:27 am |
  3. Barbara

    Is the Christian Church a hate group? Historically that's exactly what they have been: Emperor Theodosius slaughtering the pagans, The Crusades, Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition, the Thirty Years War, St Bartholomew's Day, the Calvanists, the Reformation, the burning of "witches" and "heretics", the Troubles in Ireland, the Ku Klux Klan – the Christian church is the epitome of a hate group. Hatred has been their main product – even more than love.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:10 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      You forgot the holocaust.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • garibagio

      Horrible comment. All those acts go directly against what the bible and Jesus teaches. Its like me listing every dictator and mass murderer in history and saying 'see this is what all people who don't believe in god do'....

      May 5, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      The holocaust has nothing to do with Christianity but was pure racism. Hitler asumed that Jewish blood would condaminate Germanic blood.

      It is true that some distorted churches committed crimes in God's name but nevertheless Jesus himself was good, and preached a message of love, and practised what he preached.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • Nobland

      Pretty much everything he listed was wrapped in Christmas wrapping.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:23 am |
  4. dcobranchi

    The hed is just a bit "off," since "Christians" != "Far right wing ultra-fundamentalists." The FRC belongs to the latter group. I don't believe they'd qualify for the former.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:09 am |
  5. Curious

    Can anyone find me a place in the bible where it says that you should judge others? That it's up to you and every member of the church to hate and discriminate against others? I think there was only one 'guy' who was ever completely clear of sin right? So everybody is a sinner according to your religion, why is there's so much worse than yours? I don't remember any of that in there, in fact I remember teachings of love, respect, kindness and understanding... What ever happened to those?

    May 5, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • jcruz2013

      a righteous man judges all things

      May 5, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • Vince

      Mary had no sin either

      May 5, 2013 at 11:16 am |
    • Curious

      Mary had no original sin, it says nowhere in there that she led a sin free life. I believe the only person mentioned to have no sin was Jesus.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • jcruz2013

      God Expects Us to Judge

      "The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment." (Psa. 37:30) A righteous person will talk of judgment. He will not REFUSE to judge. He will talk judgment.

      "Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph." (Amos 5:14-15) How can you hate the evil and love the good if you refuse to judge? You can't. You are SINNING when you refuse to judge.

      I Corinthians 2:15 Paul says, "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." Judging is not a sin; judging is a characteristic of being a spiritual person! Satan has been lying to us, hoping that we will NOT judge, because he knows that the right kind of judgment PLEASES God and betters our lives and Christian service

      May 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
  6. The_Bytch_Slap_to_God

    They don't want to let me talk because my name is too offensive but we have allowed people to take others rights away such as the right to be with whomever they want to be as long as it's equally wanted. That's more hurtful than any name I could use.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • But wait a minute..

      My husband always says he wants to punch God in the eye. The real shocker and pain comes when you truly sit down and say to yourself..crap, there's probably not even anyone to slap, nobody to blame just humans, crazy psychotic deluded humans..and me. Oh well. It is what it is.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • John

      Pray and repent of your blasphemy before it is too late. Read this website, "The truth about Hell" http://www.av1611.org/hell.html
      Hell is a real place and you will find yourself there for eternity!

      May 5, 2013 at 11:29 am |
  7. omeany

    As a former Evangelical Christian i took a lot on faith without researching my beliefs. It wasn't until the exploits of President Bush that I was forced to look at what I really believe and why I believe. I couldn't understand how a "Christian" President could be so comfortable with lying to is about WMDs or so callous about the killed and wounded troops and civilians that resulted from his lies.

    After reading about the origins of Christianity and how the Emperor Constantine needed a way to reign in the various factions of his empire it is easy to see that he manipulated Christianity to his advantage and organized religion has been doing the same ever since.

    I am now a progressive Christian who does not believe in a fall from grace as there are fossils that clearly show we were never perfect in the begining and have no need of a "savior". I believe Jesus came so we can have a better quality of life through loving and taking care of one another. Unfortunately, his mission has been turned into a tribal religion fashioned to justify hatred of anything the church hates or anyone or anything they cannot control.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • My Dog is a jealous Dog

      If you have no need for a "saviour" – does that mean that you believe everyone goes to "heaven"? Or do you have a more OT view of the afterlife (none in the Torah)?

      May 5, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • omeany

      To: My Dog is a jealous Dog: To be honest, I don't know what happens when you die.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • Sergex2332

      In other words, you are not a Christian. You have no clue about the faith you "left" because you were never a part of it in the first place. I don't mean to be harsh. I'm just pointing out just as you say you never questioned faith and moved by "assumed faith", now you are moving the same way, by a different, yet equally "assumed" version of your faith. You want to believe right? Read God's word. You will be amazed at how many people, including yourself, get it wrong, or just plain don't get it to begin with. And when you read, if you do, not try to answer the questions that can't be immediately answered. Keep looking, reading... and then you will find your answer. A true believer will not bash Gays, live as a liar etc... A true believer will love everyone and God, without trying to modify the word and what it says. For example, yes, we did fall from grace, that is what Jesus taught, not just the old testament. But a way was provided through Christ, so that we could be reunited... And if you read... you will see that this way was provided, not later, but in the Garden of Eden itself, at the very moment of the fall. So it's kinda like God saw us fall, but did not want us to be apart from Him, so he provided a way immediately. We messed things up, He fixed em up. Read.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • Bernardo

      You are soo far off from what jesus came to do, that your comment is just comical, nothing else!

      May 5, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • garibagio

      I don't know what your smoking....but please get me some immediately, this fantasyland sounds great!

      May 5, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • My Dog is a jealous Dog

      Fair enough – I have struggled with that questions since I was a child.

      There is a true freedom in not caring about that question anymore and accepting what we all know to be reality.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:24 am |
    • My Dog is a jealous Dog

      @omeany

      Believe what you want – and don't let anyone talk you into hating – think for yourself. There are intolerant idiots everywhere.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • Joe

      @omeany. Your next step is to reject religion altogether. Any honest intellectual effort in examining religion can only result in atheism.

      As for Jesus, I, as an atheist, am open to believing that he really existed. If he did, he was, however, a mortal man and not a son of God (I am tempted to insert 'lol' here). He may have been a good man, or a stupid man or a manipulator and a fraud – I don't know and I don't care, it's completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters when it comes to religion is that we have no reason to believe that any god(s) exist, just like we have no reason to believe in Santa Clause, Unicorns etc . End of story.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • My Dog is a jealous Dog

      Atheists do not "convert" people. No one converted me, and I would venture that most atheists would agree.
      You can only accept that it is the truth – there is no belief (there is no alternative to believe in).

      I have viewed the path to atheism like the 5 stages of loss or grief (grieving the loss of your own existence).
      Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, and finally Acceptance.

      Most religious people appear to be in stages 1,2, and 3. Agnostics can get stuck at step 4 for a long time (I was there for decades).
      It is very freeing to reach step 5 – I can get on with my life now.

      Some of you may ask – if you are over it, then why are you here?
      1) I am sick of being told I will go to hell.
      2) Other people are being bullied and persecuted just like myself.
      3) I STRUGGLED in stage 4 and if I can help anyone – I will.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:45 am |
  8. Ben

    Here's the simplest way for evangelicals to preach their word and not get hated on. Keep it amongst yourselves and STAY OUT OF POLITICS.
    Evangelicals do not have the right to codify their literalist beliefs into secular law. They cannot force non-believers, or different faiths to conform their literal doctrines.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      They have already forced it, in several laws.

      When someone sues to for the repeal, they claim we are removing god, and attacking them, and forcing our beliefs on them, when all we are trying to do is set things to the way they were before the laws.
      For instance...if I fight to remove the lie on our money that references god, I am not forcing my belief, I am stopping the christians from forcing their belief on me.
      Likewise with the exclusionary statement that was added many years after the pledge was originally written and adopted, that again, references god...if you do not believe, the christians have taken away the pledge of allegience.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • Lisa

      Could Christian's say the same thing to gays? "Keep it amongst yourselves and stay out of politics"?

      May 5, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • Kelly

      Ben you are naive. You belief system is informing your decisions as well. What a hypocrite

      May 5, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • LinCA

      @Lisa

      You said, "Could Christian's say the same thing to gays? "Keep it amongst yourselves and stay out of politics"?"
      As soon as they are afforded equal protection under the law, they very likely will. Until then, get used to it.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • Science

      RC.............one ofthe biggest lies out there on the money............issue and the talking snake !

      May 5, 2013 at 11:25 am |
  9. David S.

    Christians are pretty much on the same footing as the KKK. Christians should be mocked and treated with disdain. Look at all the damage they have cause our society. If Christians were educated about this belief system they would know it is a man created ancient, fairy tale mythology. The dogma has nothing to do with God. We have to protect our children and all furture generations from being exposed and brainwashed by this destructive, negative, primitive belief system.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • Kelly

      So to keep it fair let's say neither of us get to make a political statement informed by our belief system whether Christian or non Christian, what an idiot you are that is impossible!

      May 5, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • David S.

      Kelly: I'd say if you are trying to defend Christianity you are the " idiot ". You should not be making political statements based on an ancient primitve fairy tale......I'd would say your IQ is below average.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:27 am |
  10. Pokydoke

    The holy rollers are rolling out the "we are so persecuted" line. It would seem that is the same line the Jews and the Muslims use as well, "poor us, everybody hates us, lets band together and fight them". All this based on nothing more than myth, fantasy and fiction to support their belief syndrome. Well indoctrinated religious people tend towards being ignorant bigoted crack pots. You can believe what ever you want, just don't try passing laws that force the rest of us to follow in your fantasies.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:07 am |
  11. FOR THE RECORD

    WE DON'T HATE OR FEAR GAYS!!! IT IS PURE DISGUST!!!

    May 5, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • asygifvasi

      Wow, wish I could reply back with a simple, "Same back at ya!" But the truth is, we do fear and hate Christians–because they have a long, long history of killing people they don't agree with, or of trying to use laws to force people to conform to their views.

      So, in fairness, not only do you disgust us, but we fear you, and we hate you.

      Get used to it–your time of issuing decrees without question are over.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • What Happened

      Disgust, FTR, is what actually transpired when you were birthed!

      May 5, 2013 at 11:15 am |
  12. Clouds 9

    SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!

    May 5, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • Science

      You know creationists...........ID believers...............The Bone !..............E =mc2............Agree

      Messed-Up Bible Stories – 2 – Adam and Eve

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRGnPIlclps&feature=player_embedded

      How did feathers evolve? – Carl Zimmer

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPLgfGX1I5Y&feature=player_embedded

      Dinosaur Egg Study Supports Evolutionary Link Between Birds and Dinosaurs: How Troodon Likely Hatched Its Young

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130418104324.htm

      Star Dust we are

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWdU_px9ApE

      Holy Hallucinations 35

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XTCRdC8Dlo

      Prehistoric shark captured on film

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mneDhOtVEQw

      Thai Researchers Discover 100-Million-Year-Old Crocodile Fossil

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwD_hjq_V7U

      (EA) FÓSILES, FOSILIZACIÓN Y PALEONTOLOGÍA.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw1cRg9oKTc&feature=player_embedded

      Peace

      May 20, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
    • Science

      Kepler or not, we'll find life in space

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/20/opinion/urry-kepler-malfunction/index.html?hpt=op_t1

      Evolving Planets Get a Bumpy Ride

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/03/120305131756.htm

      Where Does All Earth's Gold Come From? Precious Metals the Result of Meteorite Bombardment, Rock Analysis Finds

      Not by the horn-y red thingy CHAD !

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110907132044.htm

      Science

      This was in there to faith the ................peach...............Chadie...........No red horn-y thingy needed !

      Whom ever is doing the deleting on article below................you know..............thanks.........have a great life !

      http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/5/5/when-christians-become-a-hated-minority#

      Human stem cell cloning: 'Holy Grail' or techno-fantasy?

      By David King, Special to CNN

      updated 10:40 AM EDT, Fri May 17, 2013

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/17/opinion/human-cloning-king/index.html?iref=allsearch

      Cloning stem cells: What does it mean?

      By Elizabeth Landau, CNN

      updated 9:20 AM EDT, Mon May 20, 2013

      http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/18/health/stem-cells-cloning/index.html?iref=allsearch

      Peace

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      Peace

      May 21, 2013 at 8:32 am |
  13. T

    Xtians have spent the better part of a couple of thousand years actively hating everyone else just about, and now the shoe is on the other foot they're getting their panties in a bunch. The World is progressing far too quickly and religion is getting left behind. It is dated, wrong, and really quite boring now. What was a convenient answer to many of the questions people had 2000+ years ago is now really just obsolete. We have sufficient information now to answer every one of those archaic questions. Humans are far too good for religion. The minute people unshackle themselves from religion and realise they have time to enjoy life without the overbearing worry of a cruel God, they are happier.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • asygifvasi

      Technically, it has only been 17-18 centuries 😉

      May 5, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • David S.

      Excellent post. Religion has been the cause of most of the world's problems...and wars. It is completely needless because these belief systems were all founded on mythology. Christians are completely uneducated on the origins of their religion or how the Bible was created, who wrote it or when the various parts were written, what was edited, forged, rewritten, added, deleted, made up.....etc. There is a complete lack of education or understanding.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:23 am |
  14. Nobland

    When I meet self identified Christians I always double check my wallet and slowly move as far away as possible. Maybe its the promise of easy forgiveness that makes them the most accomplished liars.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • FOR THE RECORD

      Silly F A G

      May 5, 2013 at 11:09 am |
  15. Nonny Mouse

    Seriously? Does NO ONE get that the real problem people have with those Christians is not what they believe but that they go around trying to make everyone else follow beliefs they don't share? That the real right they feel is under threat is their imagined right to control people?

    You guys can argue back and forth over right and wrong, good and evil all day, but what they're being told is that it's not okay to bully people into falling into line with their ideas.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • aries

      Amen. Now turn your own argument back on yourself. Nobody is bullying you. It is the GL comm that is attempting to bully the believers in Jesus and force your beliefs on us!

      May 5, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • Lisa

      Isn't that what the gay community is doing themselves? Please the argument goes both ways.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:17 am |
    • G to the T

      That would only be true if they enjoyed equal protection under the law. If you want everyone to get along, we need to create a level playing field first. Prop 8, "in god we trust", "one nation, under god" are all attempts to wedge a particular belief (the existance of god – I'm not even going to go so far as to call out christianity in general) into the government. That's showing favoritism and is against the idea of "freedom and justice for all"...

      May 8, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
  16. Mercury

    It's the self-whiteous, hypocritical egomania, stupid!

    May 5, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • don ripley

      Well said, comrade...

      May 5, 2013 at 11:09 am |
  17. tenman

    I'm a Christian. Not a political one. I am one of those who hates other people injecting their idea of their religion onto other people as if it is the only truth. Half the time they are ignorant of their own religion anyway.I'm tired of people pronouncing political verdicts and moral 'truths' claiming to be "Christian" as if they are the only arbiter of truth and of Christianity. They don't represent me or anyone but themselves. As Ghandi said "I like your Christ. But not your Christians. They are not like Him."

    May 5, 2013 at 11:05 am |
    • Science

      tenman

      Where do morals come from?.................not from the bible .

      By Kelly Murray, CNN

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/12/where-do-morals-come-from/#comments

      Hey James Madison................religion has none it looks like.............with the comments on this blog.

      The Big question is ETHICS ! does religion have any ?

      The Ethics of Resurrecting Extinct Species

      May 5, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • Bill P

      Calling yourself a Christian, you quote a non-Christian to denounce other Christians who (may) tell the truth about God's Word, which you admit that you do not like hearing in some contexts. God's Word is not something to hide under a rock. It is something that must be spread and preached. If you do not like hearing it or are unable to hear it without anger, it is likely that you are not in fellowship with God. "We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. Whoever says, 'I know him,' but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did." (1 John 2:3-6) Jesus said, "If you love me, keep my commands." (John 14:15) Also, "He said to them, 'Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.' " (Mark 16:15) So, the question is: what part of preaching the Gospel, and yes, telling folks that they are sinning, do you not understand?

      May 5, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • Science

      Oops damn thumb.........source for above.

      Apr. 8, 2013 — At some point, scientists may be able to bring back extinct animals, and perhaps early humans, raising questions of ethics and environmental disruption.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130408165955.htm

      May 5, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • John

      Spoken like a Christian in name only.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:24 am |
  18. newz4i

    "Christians become a 'hated minority'" Definition of hate: intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury. Definition of minority: a part of a population differing from others in some characteristics and often subjected to differential treatment. Evangelical Christians, You're been defined by Websters. Why try to redefine yourselves?

    May 5, 2013 at 11:04 am |
  19. Hey You

    Forced into the closet? As you sow, so shall ye reap.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • RobinMO

      Yes, those who sow hate will reap hate.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:17 am |
  20. Tim

    I don't understand the logic. If you are hating an entire group of people you should expect to get hated on in return. Just because you are some form of Christian doesn't mean you are automatically invulnerable from being hated. You reap what you sow.

    May 5, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • asygifvasi

      No, see, Christians have a right to preach hate, and decide who is, and is not hated.

      May 5, 2013 at 11:17 am |
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