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 Evangelical Christians say they are the new victims of intolerance - they're persecuted for condemning homosexuality.
May 5th, 2013
06:00 AM ET
When Christians become a 'hated minority'By John Blake, CNN (CNN) - When Peter Sprigg speaks publicly about his opposition to homosexuality, something odd often happens. During his speeches, people raise their hands to challenge his assertions that the Bible condemns homosexuality, but no Christians speak out to defend him. “But after it is over, they will come over to talk to me and whisper in my ear, ‘I agree with everything you said,’" says Sprigg, a spokesman for The Family Research Council, a powerful, conservative Christian lobbying group. We’ve heard of the “down-low” gay person who keeps his or her sexual identity secret for fear of public scorn. But Sprigg and other evangelicals say changing attitudes toward homosexuality have created a new victim: closeted Christians who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality but will not say so publicly for fear of being labeled a hateful bigot. As proof, Sprigg points to the backlash that ESPN commentator Chris Broussard sparked recently. Broussard was called a bigot and a purveyor of hate speech when he said an NBA player who had come out as gay was living in “open rebellion to God.” Broussard said the player, Jason Collins, was “living in unrepentant sin” because the Bible condemns homosexuality. “In the current culture, it takes more courage for someone like Chris Broussard to speak out than for someone like Jason Collins to come out,” says Sprigg, a former pastor. “The media will hail someone who comes out of the closet as gay, but someone who simply expresses their personal religious views about homosexual conduct is attacked.” When is disagreement hate? Bryan Litfin, a theology professor at Moody Bible Institute in Illinois, says Christians should be able to publicly say that God designed sex to take place within a marriage between a man and a woman. “That isn’t so outrageous,” Litfin says. “Nobody is expressing hate toward homosexuals by saying that. Since when is disagreement the same as hate?” But quoting the Bible doesn't inoculate anyone from becoming a bigot or hater, some scholars say. There's a point at which a Christian's opposition to homosexuality can become bigotry, and even hate speech, they say. Crossing such a line has happened many times in history. A literal reading of the Bible was used to justify all sorts of hatred: slavery, the subjugation of women and anti-Semitism, scholars and pastors say. “Truly damaging speech cannot be excused just because it expresses genuine religious belief,” says Mark D. Jordan, author of “Recruiting Young Love: How Christians Talk about Homosexuality.” “Some religious beliefs, sincerely held, are detestable. They cannot be spoken without disrupting social peace,” says Jordan, a professor at the John Danforth Center on Religion & Politics at Washington University in St. Louis. The point where religious speech becomes hate speech is difficult to define, though, scholars and activists say. The Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama is a nonprofit civil rights group that combats and monitors hate groups. Three years ago, it designated the Family Research Council, the group that Sprigg represents, as a hate group - a characterization the group stridently rejects. Mark Potok, a center spokesman, says there’s no shared definition of what constitutes hate speech. “There is no legal meaning. It’s just a phrase,” Potok says. “Hate speech is in the ear of the beholder.” 'One of the most hated minorities?' Intolerance may be difficult to define, but some evangelicals say they have become victims of intolerance because of their reverence for the Bible. The conservative media culture is filled with stories about evangelicals being labeled as “extremists” for their belief that homosexuality is a sin. Their sense of persecution goes beyond their stance on homosexuality. There are stories circulating of evangelical students being suspended for opposing homosexuality, a teacher fired for giving a Bible to a curious student, and the rise of anti-Christian bigotry. A blogger at The American Dream asked in one essay: “Are evangelical Christians rapidly becoming one of the most hated minorities in America?” The reluctance of evangelicals to speak out against homosexuality is often cited as proof they are being forced into the closet. Joe Carter, editor for The Gospel Coalition, an online evangelical magazine, wrote a blog post entitled “Debatable: Is the Christian Church a ‘Hate Group’?" He warned that young people will abandon “orthodox” Christian churches that teach that homosexuality is a sin for fear of being called haters. “Faux civility, embarrassment, prudishness and a fear of expressing an unpopular opinion has caused many Christians to refrain from explaining how homosexual conduct destroys lives,” Carter wrote. Some Christians fear that opposing homosexuality could cause them to lose their jobs and “haunt them forever,” Carter says. “It’s easier to just go along,” says Carter, who is also author of “How to Argue Like Jesus.” “You don’t want to be lumped in with the bigots. That’s a powerful word." Edward Johnson, a communication professor at Campbell University in North Carolina, says we are now living in a "postmodern" era where everything is relative and there is no universally accepted truth. It's an environment in which anyone who says "this is right" and "that is wrong" is labeled intolerant, he says. There was a time when a person could publicly say homosexuality was wrong and people could consider the statement without anger, he says. Today, people have reverted to an intellectual tribalism where they are only willing to consider the perspective of their own tribe. “They are incapable of comprehending that someone may have a view different than theirs,” Johnson says. “For them anyone who dares to question the dogma of the tribe can only be doing so out of hatred.” Sprigg, from the Family Research Council, says his condemnation of homosexual conduct does not spring from intolerance but a desire to protect gays from harmful conduct, he says. Sprigg, a senior fellow for policy studies at the council, wrote in a council pamphlet that homosexual men are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse than are straight men. He also wrote that gay men are also afflicted with a higher rate of sexually transmitted diseases and mental illness as well. Sprigg says he does not believe homosexuality is a choice and that “personal testimonies" and "clinical experience” show that some people “can and do change from gay to straight.” “Maybe we need to do a better job of showing that we are motivated by Christian love,” Sprigg says. “Love is wanting the best for someone, and acting to bring that about.” 'That's a lie' Potok, from the Southern Poverty Law Center, has little use for the love Sprigg talks about. He calls it hatred, and his voice rose in anger when he talked about the claims by Sprigg and other Christian groups that gay men are more predisposed to molest children and that homosexual behavior is inherently harmful. He says the Southern Poverty Law Center didn’t designate the Family Research Group a hate group because they view homosexuality as a sin or oppose same-sex marriage, Potok says. There are plenty of Christian groups who hold those beliefs but are not hate groups, he says. A group becomes a hate group when it attacks and maligns an entire class of people for their “immutable characteristics,” Potok says. The Family Research Council spreads known falsehoods about gays and lesbians, he says, such as the contention that gay men are predisposed to abuse children. “That’s a lie,” Potok says. “These guys are engaging in straight-up defamation of a very large group of people. There are not many things much worse than you can say in America about somebody than they are a child molester.” Potok scoffed at Spriggs’ claim that the council and other evangelical anti-gay groups are victims of intolerance. “That’s whining on the part of people who spend their days and nights attacking gay people and then some people criticize them and they don’t like it,” he says. “That’s pathetic. It reminds me of slave owners complaining that people are saying ugly things about them.” What the Bible says What about the popular evangelical claim, “We don’t hate the sinner, just the sin” – is that seen as intolerance or hate speech when it comes to homosexuality? There are those who say you can’t hate the sin and love the sinner because being gay or lesbian is defined by one’s sexual behavior; it’s who someone is. “Most people who identify as gay and lesbian would say that this is not an action I’m choosing to do; this is who I am,” says Timothy Beal, author of “The Rise and Fall of the Bible: The Unexpected History of an Accidental Book.” Beal, a religion professor at Case Western University in Ohio, says it should be difficult for any Christian to unequivocally declare that the Bible opposes homosexuality because the Bible doesn’t take a single position on the topic. It's an assertion that many scholars and mainline Protestant pastors would agree with. Some people cite Old Testament scriptures as condemning homosexuality, such as Leviticus 18:22 - “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.” But other Christians counter by saying they are not bound by the Old Testament. There are those who also cite New Testament scriptures like Romans 1:26-27 - “… Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men. …” Beal, however, says Jesus said little about sex. And the Apostle Paul, who wrote Romans, was probably referring to male prostitution and men having sexual relations with boys, a practice in the Greco-Roman world. “Paul does not understand genetics and sexual orientation the way we understand it now as something much more than a choice,” says Beal. Some evangelicals say Christians can’t change their view of biblical truth just because times change. But some scholars reply: Sure you can. Christians do it all the time. Denying a woman’s ability to preach in church was justified by scriptures like 1 Timothy 2:11-12 - “… I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” But many churches have abandoned that teaching - and some scholars say a woman preached the first Christian sermon, when Mary Magdalene proclaimed that Jesus had risen. Slaveholders in 19th century America justified slavery through a literal reading of the Bible, quoting Titus 2:9-10 – “Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything. …” And anti-Semitism was justified by the claims that Jews killed Jesus, such as Matthew 27: 25-26 - “Let his blood be on us and on our children.” Litfin, from Moody Bible Institute, acknowledged that the Bible once sanctioned slavery, but he said that practice was a “cultural expression” that changed over time. Evangelicals who oppose same-sex marriage by citing the Bible are on more solid ground, he says. “Marriage is a universal and timeless institution that God set up for maximum human flourishing. He set it up in the first book of the Bible with the story of Adam and Eve. It is consistent throughout the whole Bible. … Marriage is in a different category than those cultural things.” Public jousts over the Bible's stance on homosexuality rarely change people’s minds. What changes is when people get to know gay and lesbian people as friends and hear their story, says Beal, author of “The Rise and Fall of the Bible.” “If you open up to that other person genuinely, you basically come to a point where you have to sacrifice them to your ideology or crack open your ideology to make a hospitable place for them,” Beal says. One Christian pastor who is gay says the uproar over the ESPN commentator’s comments can actually be good, because debates help settle moral disputes. “What appears to us as antiquated and prejudicial now was once a disputed issue that required debate,” says the Rev. Richard McCarty, a minister in the United Church of Christ and a religious studies professor at Mercyhurst University in Pennsylvania. Until the debate over homosexuality is settled - if it ever is - there may be plenty of evangelical Christians who feel as if they are now being forced to stay in the closet. Carter, the evangelical blogger, says he foresees a day when any church that preaches against homosexuality will be marginalized. Just as many churches now accept divorce, they will accept sexual practices once considered sinful. “It’s getting to the point,” he says, “where churches are not going to say that any sexual activity is wrong.” soundoff (10,982 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 Next »
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My God can beat up your God...so there.
Christians worship Jesus. .
Let's talk about Horus from 3000 BC (Jesus is a copy of Horus), or Attis from 1500 BC (Jesus is a copy of Attis), or Mithra from 1200BC (Jesus is a copy of Mithra), or Krishna from 900BC (Jesus is a copy of Krishna), or Dionysus from 500 BC (Jesus is a copy of Dionysus) .... or any of the DOZENS of other gods predating the bronze age book character Jesus who were born of a virgin on Dec 25, traveled as a teacher, had 12 disciples, performed miracles, was killed and lay dead for 3 days and was resurrected.
You Christians are not even original! What a joke!
boris taught horus
Sounds like you are dealing with issues taken from Religulous.....read the below blog
http://www.courageouschristiansunited.org/blog/a-review-and-critique-of-bill-mahers-religulous-36930
Christians reviewing a movie that exposes their phony religion..... love it!
A lot of people say that science says there is no God. There is no such thing as a God detector. Science measures the physical not spiritual. That does not mean that it doesn't exist.
nor does it mean it DOES exist
Maybe they should not have created the wedge !!!
The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Insti-tute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Insti-tute manifesto known as the Wedge Docu-ment,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic
convictions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy
Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.
Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.
http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm
The fact...............the earth is to old ...........time to EVOLVE !.
Ancient Earth Crust Stored in Deep Mantle
Apr. 24, 2013 — Scientists have long believed that lava erupted from certain oceanic volcanoes contains materials from the early Earth's crust. But decisive evidence for this phenomenon has proven elusive. New research from a team including Carnegie's Erik Hauri demonstrates that oceanic volcanic rocks contain samples of recycled crust dating back to the Archean era 2.5 billion years ago. Their work is published in Nature.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130424132705.htm
Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.
Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.
http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm
Education works for children
There is a book about an amazing person named Harry Potter. It tells of all the miracles he performs. The book is about the same thickness as the bible.
By your logic, because science can't prove that he exists, he must exist and we should worship him.
But Josh knows ................Josh has posts on previous page !
doG ... google "Russell's Teapot" 🙂
Dyslexic doG sayz
There is a book about an amazing person named Harry Potter. It tells of all the miracles he performs............." Hogwash, err Hogwarts. So Legion found a warm body.
You are correct. However, it's irrational to insist something exists when there is no evidence whatsoever it exists. Science doesn't have a Santa Claus detector or a vampire detector either. Does that mean you should believe in Santa Claus and vampires too?
Saggy, respect is a 2 way street.. Not every Christian is a bigot, that's called stereotyping.
yes it is. like saying we are all "sinners"
Why does that make you uncomfortable Sam? Sin means missing the mark have you ever missed you mark?
Josh: Sin is strictly biblical and not everyone shares your belief.
@Josh – it is impossible for atheists to commit sins. Just doesn't happen. Never will.
@ Josh – defining something as a "sin" is an entirely subjective and arbitrary action, which is then used to arbitrarily label actions and people you don't agree with. The Bible doesn't label the use of slaves as sinful; in fact, it condones slavery and sets out rules for slaveholders to follow.
By defining gay conduct as a sin, you then can freely call gay people sinners. They're not. Being gay isn't a sin.
Bigot is the RAGS battle cry.
Attack, contrary to what you may like to believe, atheists did not singlehandedly free the slaves. Slavery existed in the ancient world, it was a brutal place. The New Testament tells slaves to seek to be released.
@ Josh – i never claimed that atheists freed the slaves. I was merely making the point that the same book that condemns gays condones slavery. And please – the OT is just as much a part of the Bible as the NT. Your god condoned slavery.
Oh, and r-ape.
Child abuse.
Genocide.
Human sacrifice.
Come to think of it, your god is a psychopathic homicidal monster. Why, oh why, would anyone follow such evil?
sambo cares what others call her
"sam stone
yes it is. like saying we are all "sinners""
sambo is having a rough day. por widdle sambo
People are quoting scripture and verse. How about the 8 "I rather you didn'ts" from his Noodly-ness!
1. I'd really rather you didn't act like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou *** when describing my noodly goodness. If some people don't believe in me, that's okay. Really, I'm not that vain. Besides, this isn't about them so don't change the subject.
2. I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others. I don't require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people.
3. I'd really rather you didn't judge people for the way they look, or how they dress, or the way they talk, or, well, just play nice, okay? Oh, and get this into your thick heads: woman = person. man = person. Samey = Samey. One is not better than the other, unless we're talking about fashion and I'm sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.
4. I'd really rather you didn't indulge in conduct that offends yourself, or your willing, consenting partner of legal age AND mental maturity. As for anyone who might object, I think the expression is "go f*** yourself," unless they find that offensive in which case they can turn off the TV for once and go for a walk for a change.
5. I'd really rather you didn't challenge the bigoted, misogynistic, hateful ideas of others on an empty stomach. Eat, then go after the b******.
6. I'd really rather you didn't build multi million-dollar synagogues / churches / temples / mosques / shrines to my noodly goodness when the money could be better spent (take your pick):
Ending poverty
Curing diseases
Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable
I might be a complex-carbohydrate omniscient being, but I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the creator.
7. I'd really rather you didn't go around telling people I talk to you. You're not that interesting. Get over yourself. And I told you to love your fellow man, can't you take a hint?
8. I'd really rather you didn't do unto others as you would have them do unto you if you are into, um, stuff that uses a lot of leather/lubricant/vaseline. If the other person is into it, however (pursuant to #4), then have at it, take pictures, and for the love of Mike, wear a CONDOM! Honestly, it's a piece of rubber. If I didn't want it to feel good when you did it I would have added spikes, or something.
ok, this is one of the BEST posts I've ever seen, thanks for enlightening us!! 🙂
Steady as she goes!
Sorry, alleged Christians. Hatred wrapped up in your Bible is still hatred. You don't get a pass just because it's your religion. You're free to live your life and even speak out, but you cannot expect to not be challenged. This is America, not Iran.
The bible says not to lie and steal, is that bigotry against liars and thieves?
Your r sorry! How dobu think we feel? Sorry Christ ain't for u. Too bad. U can go now.
Josh: If you need the buybull to tell you not to lie and steal you have some serious personal issues. Both are common sense issues and not bigotry. Bigot properly defined is a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance. In the case of christians, it is them using their belief to justify hate against gays; oppression of women (ie; telling them what they should and shouldn't do with their bodies; basically anything that steps on a persons equal rights within a free country.
Actually truth, some of the most prominent abolitionists were Christians. It seems that you are the one painting people with a broad brush.
No Josh, you asked a simple minded question...I simply gave you a justified answer. That painting christians with a broad brush is no different than a christian stating that if you don't believe in the god we do you go to hell. You were too lazy to look up the definition of bigot or you might have clued in that it does not apply to lying and stealing. My point stands that christians will use their book to justify hate against minority groups (women; gays, etc). If your buybull is your only source for how you treat people then your belief system is not moral and fails horribly.
TP, women are a minority?? 50.8% OF POP in USA
census bureau
"The bible says not to lie and steal, is that bigotry against liars and thieves?"
Lying and stealing run afoul of ethics, reason, common sense and fair treatment of others. People understood these were counter productive to civilized behavior long before they appeared in your Bible.
Atheist you take for granted that these morals have been engrained in western society from the influence of christianity. Could you source these pre-biblical texts that condemn lying and stealing?
Repost from below............... for you JOSH !!!
Where do morals come from?.............the answer is not the bible read and find out !
By Kelly Murray, CNN
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/12/where-do-morals-come-from/#comments
Gravity is not up for debate ! ............E = mc2..........(U–Pb).................two math formulas..........that do not lie or sin !!!...
Peace.......
Ancient Babylon – The code of Hammurabi 1780 BCE
Ancient China – The Golden Rule Confucius (550-479 BCE)
Ancient Egypt – The Ancient Egyptian concept of Maat appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant. 2040 BCE
Other examples include ancient Greece, Rome and India...all of which were derived independent of your Bible.
Facts can be pesky things eh Josh?
lol: I stand corrected. The proper word should be oppressed.
Why are people hating on religious people when the 1st amendment gives us the freedom to believe as we wish?
Because you and your fellow "Christians" say outrageously ignorant things. You're allowed to say those things, just don't expect not to be challenged for them.
Can we worship pauleky?
People only need to respect your 1st amendment rights, not your beliefs.
Josh
Maybe they should not have created the wedge !!!
The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Insti-tute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Insti-tute manifesto known as the Wedge Docu-ment,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to defeat materialism, naturalism, evolution, and "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic
convictions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge_strategy
Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.
Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.
http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldocket/intelligentdesigncase/dovertrialtranscripts.htm
People's right to be bigots does not negate others right to call them out on their bigotry
yo bill Nye, would u mind posting this again? thanks babe. u r a doll.
"Science
Maybe they should not have created the wedge !!!"
little fat sambo
u fcvterd. i love u
To close to home faith ?
Hello Christians, so your Bible condemns being gay. So live your life according to your bible. Save yourself, why do you give a damn about someone that is gay. You will be living in a perfect world when you are saved and reborn in Heaven. So why worry about people that are gay. If you say gay is a choice, so let them go to hell, why should you be concerned.
Sorry but you are full of BS............. there is a hell and it is next to Wisconsin....................I have been there.!
It is Hell Mi USA !................There is no heaven either !!!
Blake, "You apparently do not have a full understanding of the bible. When Jesus died for our sins the old law was nailed to the cross with him and a new covenant began. We are under the new law which is in the new testament."
Of course! If you ignore the fact that Jesus say, 'til heaven and Earth pass away, not one dot shall be taken from god's laws.'
I am still alive and well on planet Earth, so I am pretty sure that Earth has not passed away. All of god's laws stand. Not one dot shall be removed from those laws.
Jesus never said, 'god's first laws will be nailed to the cross with me.' The christian churches made that up so that they did not have to stone their daughter's for losing their virginity before marriage. So they could eat pork and shrimp any time they liked.So they could cut their hair as they liked. So on and so fourth and such like.
BlackSheep62
Where do morals come from?.............the answer is not the bible read and find out !
By Kelly Murray, CNN
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/12/where-do-morals-come-from/#comments
Gravity is not up for debate ! ............E = mc2..........(U–Pb).................two math formulas..........that do not lie or sin !!!...
Peace.......
Jesus died for our sins?! I ain't gonna waste THAT! PARTY ON!!!
Lets recap recent acts of peace by Allahs favorite sons, Islamic jihadists. Last week, two Islamic adherents bombed the Boston Marathon, killing and maiming hundreds of so-called "infidels". Now we've got Allahs minions rioting in Bangladesh to try to force Islamic blasphemy laws on all who live there. Insult a non-existent deity and go to jail... or worse. In the words of General T.J. "Stonewall" Jackson.... "Kill 'em All".
Creationists.............ID believers...........christians ............was the bible around 338,000 years ago ?
Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought
Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm
that date is a moving target, and key is much older than "thought". No one was there, and no tool, yes "man designed tool" is accurate. Now, we do know who was in the beginning. Someone who dearly loved us. Our God and Savior who promised eternal life for whoever believe in His Son, that He came dies on the cross for our sins, and was resurrected. Peace my friend.
Z...........Hate to burst your bubble............the origin story in the bible is not good for chilren !!!
Learning is fun with facts.......................... and facts work when teaching children.
Atheist Prof. Peter Higgs: Stop calling Higgs boson the ‘God particle’
Professor Peter Higgs said recently that there is no God and so people should stop referring to the theoretical partial that
bears his name as the “God particle.”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/08/atheist-prof-peter-higgs-stop-calling-higgs-bosen-the-god-particle/
"No one was there, and no tool, yes "man designed tool" is accurate. Now, we do know who was in the beginning. Someone who dearly loved us. Our God and Savior who promised eternal life"
A slight contradiction within! If no-one was there, then how can you claim to know a god was there??
Oops......children.
no man was there, but there is one that was there, Prof Higgin's is a mere man making a theory. I grew up as an Atheist, and was a student of evolution, science, engineering and computers. Science is wonderful. Evolution is a theory. Engineering and computers are fun!. But when you are alone, and maybe even depress, satisfying oneself with worldly goods will last only a moment. Remember why the calendar, our history bears the impact of our Lord, Jesus, who love and me so much, that He came to die for you and I, and whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Be well my friends.
Again the picture above says the nasty.........................that a the fairy in the sky created US ?
Well can any creationists....Id believer......christian..........tell me where the bible was 338.000 years ago ?
Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought
Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm
John 1:1 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made . 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe . 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born , not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried , saying , This was he of whom I spake , He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received , and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
dennis: quoting the bible only inpresses those who accept the bible's supposed authority
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I think they are silly for assuming they are going to heaven and some others aren't. They are ignorant fools.
as is anyone who believes in make-believe lands like heaven or hell.
jack, you didn't reference your "they". who are you talkin' about?
Obviously, "they" are the people who believe they are going to heaven or hell. Its really not hard to figure out. (If you need a specific example, he is calling you silly)
So lies and the truth are the same? Deceiving someone is just as good as being truthful?
Josh: What lies? What truth? What deceit? As far as any evidence we know of there is no heaven or hell.
Leviticus 19:27 "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."
So where are all the beards and long haired priests?
Leviticus 11:8 “which is discussing pigs, reads "You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you."
Pork is a sin, who doesn't eat it besides Muslims and Buddists?
Leviticus 19:28 "You shall not make any cuts in your body for the dead nor make any tattoo marks on yourselves"
Tattoos are a sin.
Leviticus 19:19 "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."
Mixed race children, mixed anything is a sin. Does he preach this?
Mark 10:9 "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
Divorce...
Timothy 2:9 "Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments."
Women should be shrouded and modest, no nice things for them.
Leviticus 11:10 "But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you."
Eat fish? Yea, no.
It's not fair to pick and choose parts of the bible to follow and ignore others.
don't forget the rules on selling your own daughter into slavery! see? girls are worth just as much as boys!
don't forget the command to kill all non-virgin brides! sorry 98% of women in America - we have to stone you to death!
don't forget the command to kill anyone working the Sabbath! sorry people working this weekend - you must die!
don't forget the command for women to be subservient to men! sorry ladies - God says men are in charge!
don't forget the command to kill witches! sorry pract.itioners of Wicca - you gotta burn!
M Guy sayz,
"..........does not have fins ............"
Fishy fins, YES!!
You apparently do not have a full understanding of the bible. When Jesus died for our sins the old law was nailed to the cross with him and a new covenant began. We are under the new law which is in the new testament.
And this ladies and gentlemen is an example of an individual with the biblical interpretation skills of a shrew. I know it serves your agenda to use passages out of context to enhance your message, but surely you can do better?
wrong, blake. the OT is not replaced by the NT - the OT adds to the NT. jesus himself says you cannot throw away a single letter of the OT. do you still follow the 10 commandments? they are OT. that is an excuse because the OT is so harsh and in some parts silly to the point of embarrassing. nice try, but you can't distance yourself from the OT just because you don't like something it says.
booty. You are absolutely correct in the first half of your paragraph. The second half, not so much.
again it seems we'll have to agree to disagree. i believe i was spot on.
bootsie sayz,
"...............OT is so harsh................." No it isn't and you are a gud example why it isn't. Incorrigibles
Without fins....like lobster, shrimp, crabs, oysters.....they are abominations,yet, when was the last time you saw christians protesting at Red Lobster??
And how about Luke 12:33 – "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys." How about that one Olsteens', Paul Couch, Benny Hinn et al....
cairnhowff,
"Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat."
Jesus Saves Acts 2:38 !
Jesus commands slaves to obey their masters! Luke 12:37-38
1 Betty 1 1-3
"blessed is the christian who criticizes others faith, for we call this love.
cursed are those who return the favor, for we call this persecution" – Betty Bowers
our holy rule book tells us to be ignorant - what are we supposed to do? think for ourselves! i just can't believe people are being so mean to us just for being h.omophobic and saying g.ays deserve to burn in hell for all eternity. sure, all credible medical associations, like the APA, agree that h.omos.exuality is normal, but my bible, written 2K years ago by sheep herders that thought the world was flat - they know best! sure the bible sounds like a children's fairy tale with unicorns, dragons, satyrs and c.ockatrice in it, along with talking donkeys and talking snakes - but it's to be taken seriously!
Go, Bootyfunk! Satirical parody is not completely gone! There's still time to get your midwinter festival shopping done! Yow!
bootsie sayz,
"................bible, written 2K years ago........." But, but, but y'all claim to be 500K years old so that makes it just like yesterday.
no, lol??,
the whole world is only 6K-10K years old. dinosaurs never existed - their bones were put there magically by god to test our faith. people didn't evolve from monkeys - that's crazy! humans were made by magic! everyone knows that my invisible sky fairy is the only real invisible sky fairy!
We don’t deny the existence of dinosaurs. They are mentioned in the bible, and were killed off in the flood.
Job 40:15–24
"Behold, Behemoth, which I made as I made you; he eats grass like an ox. Behold, his strength in his loins, and his power in the muscles of his belly. He makes his tail stiff like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like bars of iron.
fred ...........you are full of BS...............in spanish.............education for adults too fred
(EA) FÓSILES, FOSILIZACIÓN Y PALEONTOLOGÍA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw1cRg9oKTc&feature=player_embedded
The RAGS want to limit your choice to the false prophet (church) or the antichrist Beast gubmint (church). I don't like that choice.
Got a new name for the A&A's.
RAGS
Ranting Against God's Servants
"Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." BTW, everyone serves. You choose the capacity, if you're able.
STFU
babble babble babble
Got a new name for the R&R's.
TURDS
Theists Unable to Recognize Delusional Stories.
lol
The best argument you have is name calling. We just refer to the religious as delusional, because that's what you are.
Our Lord does not approve the gay lifestyle. That is enough for me to reject this disgusting habit. The gays will burn in hell and with them anyone who advances their agenda. Seek Jesus and be saved.
Prove that your lord actually existed, that he actually spoke about gays and that he wasn't gay himself, and perhaps I might listen to you.
So essentially this: http://www.theatheistpig.com/comics/2012-05-16.jpg
there is no such thing as an invisible sky fairy that listens to people when they clasp their hands and talk to themselves. grow up, think for yourself, realize it's 2013, not the dark ages.
You on here desperately trolling for a reaction again GO_GOP? Just as you do every day, day after day after day after day, trolling with hate in an attempt to receive some small measure of validation in your sad life?
Nordenfeldt: Nothing to add except calling others troll, sad life etc...but of course our friend Nordenfeldt is NOT a troll. Ahem, what is a troll please???
Too fucking bad for silly dead jew zombie death cult aka christian believers. Anything that heightens their embarrassment about their stupid bigoted beliefs is a good thing!
You must be a real genius.
Probably not, but no one has to guess what my post meant, unlike yours.
Yes, idiocy is usually self evident.
Seems to be in your case. Now, what is your point?
I'll type slow so you will be able to comprehend. My point is that an individual who makes such bombastic comments about a faith that, in spite of its flaws has done a tremendous amount of good for humanity, that individual is, shall we say, not the sharpest tool in the shed. Now do you understand my point?
devin,
i would argue christianity has done much, much more bad than good for mankind - but i will acknowledge there has been good, but the lion's share has been a plague upon mankind.
Booty. I just simply disagree. The amount of Christian charity that is performed everyday, behind the scene without publicity, in and of its self dwarfs the negative aspects.
devin is another one that thinks they can tell who their talking to by the tone in a post:)
they seem to be coming out of the woodwork tonight.... assuming (troy, observer and devin arnt all the same guy)
cant make a credible argument against the post, attack the person's IQ and education.....
we'll have to agree to disagree. the amount of people who have died as a direct result of christianity is almost immeasurable. women were burned as heretics, as commanded in the bible. christians are taught that women are 2nd class citizens, g.ay people are evil abominations, that evil jews killed the messiah, etc. knowledge itself has been under assault by the church since the church was born. great thinkers that dared to question the church were imprisoned or executed. the misery doled out by christianity on indigenous peoples around the world is almost immeasurable, as their own ancestral gods were stripped away and yahweh forced upon them. s.ex according to christianity must be performed according to their specific rules – or you are a deviant and should feel guilty. the list goes on...
i give christian charities lots of points for feeding the homeless, but the ultimate goal is often recruitment. when they hand out a bowl of soup - it often comes with a sermon, which doesn't make it a selfless act.
You've just been Bootyfunked. Time to wake up.