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 Evangelical Christians say they are the new victims of intolerance - they're persecuted for condemning homosexuality.
May 5th, 2013
06:00 AM ET
When Christians become a 'hated minority'By John Blake, CNN (CNN) - When Peter Sprigg speaks publicly about his opposition to homosexuality, something odd often happens. During his speeches, people raise their hands to challenge his assertions that the Bible condemns homosexuality, but no Christians speak out to defend him. “But after it is over, they will come over to talk to me and whisper in my ear, ‘I agree with everything you said,’" says Sprigg, a spokesman for The Family Research Council, a powerful, conservative Christian lobbying group. We’ve heard of the “down-low” gay person who keeps his or her sexual identity secret for fear of public scorn. But Sprigg and other evangelicals say changing attitudes toward homosexuality have created a new victim: closeted Christians who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality but will not say so publicly for fear of being labeled a hateful bigot. As proof, Sprigg points to the backlash that ESPN commentator Chris Broussard sparked recently. Broussard was called a bigot and a purveyor of hate speech when he said an NBA player who had come out as gay was living in “open rebellion to God.” Broussard said the player, Jason Collins, was “living in unrepentant sin” because the Bible condemns homosexuality. “In the current culture, it takes more courage for someone like Chris Broussard to speak out than for someone like Jason Collins to come out,” says Sprigg, a former pastor. “The media will hail someone who comes out of the closet as gay, but someone who simply expresses their personal religious views about homosexual conduct is attacked.” When is disagreement hate? Bryan Litfin, a theology professor at Moody Bible Institute in Illinois, says Christians should be able to publicly say that God designed sex to take place within a marriage between a man and a woman. “That isn’t so outrageous,” Litfin says. “Nobody is expressing hate toward homosexuals by saying that. Since when is disagreement the same as hate?” But quoting the Bible doesn't inoculate anyone from becoming a bigot or hater, some scholars say. There's a point at which a Christian's opposition to homosexuality can become bigotry, and even hate speech, they say. Crossing such a line has happened many times in history. A literal reading of the Bible was used to justify all sorts of hatred: slavery, the subjugation of women and anti-Semitism, scholars and pastors say. “Truly damaging speech cannot be excused just because it expresses genuine religious belief,” says Mark D. Jordan, author of “Recruiting Young Love: How Christians Talk about Homosexuality.” “Some religious beliefs, sincerely held, are detestable. They cannot be spoken without disrupting social peace,” says Jordan, a professor at the John Danforth Center on Religion & Politics at Washington University in St. Louis. The point where religious speech becomes hate speech is difficult to define, though, scholars and activists say. The Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama is a nonprofit civil rights group that combats and monitors hate groups. Three years ago, it designated the Family Research Council, the group that Sprigg represents, as a hate group - a characterization the group stridently rejects. Mark Potok, a center spokesman, says there’s no shared definition of what constitutes hate speech. “There is no legal meaning. It’s just a phrase,” Potok says. “Hate speech is in the ear of the beholder.” 'One of the most hated minorities?' Intolerance may be difficult to define, but some evangelicals say they have become victims of intolerance because of their reverence for the Bible. The conservative media culture is filled with stories about evangelicals being labeled as “extremists” for their belief that homosexuality is a sin. Their sense of persecution goes beyond their stance on homosexuality. There are stories circulating of evangelical students being suspended for opposing homosexuality, a teacher fired for giving a Bible to a curious student, and the rise of anti-Christian bigotry. A blogger at The American Dream asked in one essay: “Are evangelical Christians rapidly becoming one of the most hated minorities in America?” The reluctance of evangelicals to speak out against homosexuality is often cited as proof they are being forced into the closet. Joe Carter, editor for The Gospel Coalition, an online evangelical magazine, wrote a blog post entitled “Debatable: Is the Christian Church a ‘Hate Group’?" He warned that young people will abandon “orthodox” Christian churches that teach that homosexuality is a sin for fear of being called haters. “Faux civility, embarrassment, prudishness and a fear of expressing an unpopular opinion has caused many Christians to refrain from explaining how homosexual conduct destroys lives,” Carter wrote. Some Christians fear that opposing homosexuality could cause them to lose their jobs and “haunt them forever,” Carter says. “It’s easier to just go along,” says Carter, who is also author of “How to Argue Like Jesus.” “You don’t want to be lumped in with the bigots. That’s a powerful word." Edward Johnson, a communication professor at Campbell University in North Carolina, says we are now living in a "postmodern" era where everything is relative and there is no universally accepted truth. It's an environment in which anyone who says "this is right" and "that is wrong" is labeled intolerant, he says. There was a time when a person could publicly say homosexuality was wrong and people could consider the statement without anger, he says. Today, people have reverted to an intellectual tribalism where they are only willing to consider the perspective of their own tribe. “They are incapable of comprehending that someone may have a view different than theirs,” Johnson says. “For them anyone who dares to question the dogma of the tribe can only be doing so out of hatred.” Sprigg, from the Family Research Council, says his condemnation of homosexual conduct does not spring from intolerance but a desire to protect gays from harmful conduct, he says. Sprigg, a senior fellow for policy studies at the council, wrote in a council pamphlet that homosexual men are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse than are straight men. He also wrote that gay men are also afflicted with a higher rate of sexually transmitted diseases and mental illness as well. Sprigg says he does not believe homosexuality is a choice and that “personal testimonies" and "clinical experience” show that some people “can and do change from gay to straight.” “Maybe we need to do a better job of showing that we are motivated by Christian love,” Sprigg says. “Love is wanting the best for someone, and acting to bring that about.” 'That's a lie' Potok, from the Southern Poverty Law Center, has little use for the love Sprigg talks about. He calls it hatred, and his voice rose in anger when he talked about the claims by Sprigg and other Christian groups that gay men are more predisposed to molest children and that homosexual behavior is inherently harmful. He says the Southern Poverty Law Center didn’t designate the Family Research Group a hate group because they view homosexuality as a sin or oppose same-sex marriage, Potok says. There are plenty of Christian groups who hold those beliefs but are not hate groups, he says. A group becomes a hate group when it attacks and maligns an entire class of people for their “immutable characteristics,” Potok says. The Family Research Council spreads known falsehoods about gays and lesbians, he says, such as the contention that gay men are predisposed to abuse children. “That’s a lie,” Potok says. “These guys are engaging in straight-up defamation of a very large group of people. There are not many things much worse than you can say in America about somebody than they are a child molester.” Potok scoffed at Spriggs’ claim that the council and other evangelical anti-gay groups are victims of intolerance. “That’s whining on the part of people who spend their days and nights attacking gay people and then some people criticize them and they don’t like it,” he says. “That’s pathetic. It reminds me of slave owners complaining that people are saying ugly things about them.” What the Bible says What about the popular evangelical claim, “We don’t hate the sinner, just the sin” – is that seen as intolerance or hate speech when it comes to homosexuality? There are those who say you can’t hate the sin and love the sinner because being gay or lesbian is defined by one’s sexual behavior; it’s who someone is. “Most people who identify as gay and lesbian would say that this is not an action I’m choosing to do; this is who I am,” says Timothy Beal, author of “The Rise and Fall of the Bible: The Unexpected History of an Accidental Book.” Beal, a religion professor at Case Western University in Ohio, says it should be difficult for any Christian to unequivocally declare that the Bible opposes homosexuality because the Bible doesn’t take a single position on the topic. It's an assertion that many scholars and mainline Protestant pastors would agree with. Some people cite Old Testament scriptures as condemning homosexuality, such as Leviticus 18:22 - “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.” But other Christians counter by saying they are not bound by the Old Testament. There are those who also cite New Testament scriptures like Romans 1:26-27 - “… Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men. …” Beal, however, says Jesus said little about sex. And the Apostle Paul, who wrote Romans, was probably referring to male prostitution and men having sexual relations with boys, a practice in the Greco-Roman world. “Paul does not understand genetics and sexual orientation the way we understand it now as something much more than a choice,” says Beal. Some evangelicals say Christians can’t change their view of biblical truth just because times change. But some scholars reply: Sure you can. Christians do it all the time. Denying a woman’s ability to preach in church was justified by scriptures like 1 Timothy 2:11-12 - “… I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” But many churches have abandoned that teaching - and some scholars say a woman preached the first Christian sermon, when Mary Magdalene proclaimed that Jesus had risen. Slaveholders in 19th century America justified slavery through a literal reading of the Bible, quoting Titus 2:9-10 – “Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything. …” And anti-Semitism was justified by the claims that Jews killed Jesus, such as Matthew 27: 25-26 - “Let his blood be on us and on our children.” Litfin, from Moody Bible Institute, acknowledged that the Bible once sanctioned slavery, but he said that practice was a “cultural expression” that changed over time. Evangelicals who oppose same-sex marriage by citing the Bible are on more solid ground, he says. “Marriage is a universal and timeless institution that God set up for maximum human flourishing. He set it up in the first book of the Bible with the story of Adam and Eve. It is consistent throughout the whole Bible. … Marriage is in a different category than those cultural things.” Public jousts over the Bible's stance on homosexuality rarely change people’s minds. What changes is when people get to know gay and lesbian people as friends and hear their story, says Beal, author of “The Rise and Fall of the Bible.” “If you open up to that other person genuinely, you basically come to a point where you have to sacrifice them to your ideology or crack open your ideology to make a hospitable place for them,” Beal says. One Christian pastor who is gay says the uproar over the ESPN commentator’s comments can actually be good, because debates help settle moral disputes. “What appears to us as antiquated and prejudicial now was once a disputed issue that required debate,” says the Rev. Richard McCarty, a minister in the United Church of Christ and a religious studies professor at Mercyhurst University in Pennsylvania. Until the debate over homosexuality is settled - if it ever is - there may be plenty of evangelical Christians who feel as if they are now being forced to stay in the closet. Carter, the evangelical blogger, says he foresees a day when any church that preaches against homosexuality will be marginalized. Just as many churches now accept divorce, they will accept sexual practices once considered sinful. “It’s getting to the point,” he says, “where churches are not going to say that any sexual activity is wrong.” soundoff (10,982 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 Next »
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Romans 10:13 – For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
free people do not need to be saved. only slaves do
VG sam stone, a couple of rabbit schmart pills for ya.
John 3:16 – For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Well, that's mighty white of him, considering he set up the entrapment in the first place
Seriously, why would anyone worship this vindictive pr1ck, if not out of outright fear?
Where'd ya get the SS version??
John 5:24 – Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
1 John 5:13 – These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God
Is this supposed to convince anyone of anything?
MMLJ, What about the gospel of Judas – no quotes from that?
Ego.................where i sit everyday i try and keep it in its place.
Peace
Oops damn thumb that was meant for lamb of dog..........below.
You who dare use the term lamb of dog when it is nothing but an attempt to make a mockery of THE TRUE LAMB OF GOD-JESUS CHRIST SON OF THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD. You will not get away with this.God won't allow you to blaspheme this way. We of the faith know your type very well. You pretend to be agnostic but you are enemies of the MOST HIGH GOD! Your father Satan is a liar and so is his son(YOU). "Jesus said" every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that He is LORD(you will too just wait. Repent and turn from your evil irreverence before it is too late for your soul. Don't bother to comment as people like you want and need an argument to keep you going. The Bible also says(fits you perfectly)" don't cast your pearls before swine". I truly feel sorry for you and I see why you are single. You have darkness within you.
I am so scared
I'm sorry, "Mikeone", but "THE TRUE LAMB OF GOD", "JESUS CHRIST SON OF THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD", "God", "MOST HIGH GOD", "Satan", "He", and "LORD" are all elements of mythology, therefore your assertions are unfounded.
YOU WILL NOT GET AWAY WITH THIS.
Keep your scare tactics to yourself. And by the way I am happily married. So stop assuming who I am. And stop assuming that your sky fairy from your buybull is real.
Mikeone: Feel better now that you have wished eternal torture on a fellow human??
Mike. "Don't bother to comment as people like you want and need an argument to keep you going."
Just like christians want to change the laws of the country to be based upon their religious belief; don't see much let-up in that.
OUTRAGE!!!11!!!!
give it a rest dodo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVkoQHCXSK8
A Con Artist at his best.
Wow simple reason scared them all away. And not a single clear answer to most of my questions. That was too easy.
The human race will never achieve peace and equality until the pandemic that is religion is eradicated entirely.
News of the week:
Cleveland kidnapper writes on his last post to the social networking site on May 2 says: 'Miracles really do happen, God is good :)'
Also:
Christian metal band as I lay dying lead singer attempts to hire hit man to kill his estranged wife.
What is with the moral majority?
The moral majority: rarely moral, and hopefully soon will stop being the majority.
I guess this is what they get for centuries of telling the rest of us we are sinners and will burn in hell....
On the topic of EGO.
Who has a bigger ego?
Someone who believes that they do not and never can know if god exist or someone who knows that god exists?
Just when I thought we were getting somewhere everyone ran away.
Mighty big questions ya got there, dawg. After yer almost 1/2 mil years of existence one would think they'd been answered already. Didn't have a mommie, or was she a witch??
@lamb of dog "On the topic of EGO. Who has a bigger ego? "Someone who believes that they do not and never can know if god exist or someone who knows that god exists?""
egoA person's sense of self-esteem or self-importance:
Knowing that the God of Israel exists is the biggest ego-dampener of all time.
Who is more humble? The person who knows that a power vastly greater than themselves exists, or the one that claims there is nothing greater than themselves?
Chad
According your own definition you are the one with the bigger ego. You believe that you are special and that god has chosen you. correct?
LOL
how old are you? Yes my mom practiced wicca after she converted from Catholicism. I think she traded one fairy tale for another.
As far as my beliefs go. I am an agnostic. I simply believe I do not know.
And as far as my Importance in the grand scheme of things is irrelevant.
I believe I am a single man standing on a speck of dust flying through space.
If you cannot answer the question, lol??, just say so.
LOL can barely think. Fat chance of him answering a question that takes a little thought.
Dawg, how much DNA do you share with the Castro boyz??
You already wrote that.
Did you not understand the question LOL?
Chad
Do you not believe that the universe was specifically created for you and your fellow Christians?
The concept of ego is not proven science and in fact Freud was a fruitcake. He had a wet nurse.
wiki: "...................Id, ego and super-ego are the three parts of the psychic apparatus defined in Sigmund Freud's structural model of the psyche; they are the three theoretical constructs in terms of whose activity and interaction mental life is described.............."
dog, you really should stop satan from whispering his lies in your ear.
The last question was impossible for chad to answer truthfully.
Translation:
Dog you should stop reason whispering the truth in your ear.
Chad
Supposedly, having some kind of "purpose" for being born is a very big deal for Christians, so wouldn't thinking that you were especially made by the most powerful and perfect being imaginable be a bigger ego boost than thinking that our existence is merely an accident of chance, and that we live out our short lives on an insignificant speck in the vast universe? Christianity is all about how special one is for believing in Christ whereas, as an atheist, I don't particularly see myself as any better than most mammals.
Chads in a corner curled up in a ball sucking his thumb. That last reply was to much for him.
@lamb of dog "You believe that you are special and that god has chosen you. correct?"
@Chad "that is not good Christian doctrine:
– Gods grace is extended to every person: whosoever shall call on the Name of the Lord shall be saved.
– There is NOTHING about me that warrants or "deserves" or "is special" such that I have been saved. Nothing.
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@Huebert "Do you not believe that the universe was specifically created for you and your fellow Christians"
@Chad "that is not good Christian doctrine:
– The universe was created for all of mankind, He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
– His desire is that no one should perish but that all should come to repentance and have eternal life.
Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. - Acts
I doubt Chad's in a corner, in times of defeat he is more likely to be on his knee's or sitting in his minister's office pleading for help.
Ego.................where i sit everyday i try and keep it in its place.
Peace
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Oops damn thumb that was meant for lamb of dog..........below.
Ken
Chad
Christianity is all about how special one is for believing in Christ whereas,
as an atheist, I don't particularly see myself as any better than most mammals. you aren't
On another thread chad this came up so same questios for you .....istead of Bill. ???
Did you forget this one Bill................... about the angels ?
And NO ANGELS then old pope KICKED them in OFF the TEAM last year !
From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml
Pope's book on Jesus challenges Christmas traditions
By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN
updated 10:56 AM EST, Fri November 23, 2012
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/vatican-pope-jesus-book/index.html?iref=allsearch
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All these years Bill and there are suppose to be angels.......................then poof go the angels according to the old pope;.......
where are the morals there Bill ?
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Or is that to simple for you Bill ?
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/07/biden-urges-faith-leaders-to-pressure-lawmakers-on-background-checks/comment-page-2/#comments
Pretty amusing to see Chard talk about ego. What a hoot.
The Real Tom
Like Billy admitting that he is not the vicar of Christ on earth!!!
Well know fruity fred is on the front of this thread .............talking about the pink bunny !
Chad
So you do believe that the whole universe was created for mankind. I would say this is a very arrogant posit.ion.
@Huebert "So you do believe that the whole universe was created for mankind. I would say this is a very arrogant posit.ion."
@Chad "not if it's true.
on the other hand, considering our species the most advanced with nothing higher.. that's arrogant, and inaccurate.
For Chad TOO !
For all creationists and ID believers...............IT only takes minutes to figure IT out. No fairy in the sky needed !
New Device Can Extract Human DNA With Full Genetic Data in Minutes
May 6, 2013 — Take a swab of saliva from your mouth and within minutes your DNA could be ready for analysis and genome sequencing with the help of a new device.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130506132100.htm
People will not be convinced by arguments that sin is wrong. We need to give them the Gospel. Only God can change a persons heart. When we receive God's forgiveness through faith in Christ, He gives us His Holy Spirit to guide us into all truth, and to convict of sin. "Recieve The Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved" ...Acts 2-3 "As many as received Him, to them God the power to become children of God". ...John 1 God Bless
I was raised catholic. I have read your book. It make me even more of a disbeliever.
@dog That makes 2 of us. Reading the bible is the quickest path to atheism.
Sure, Steve. Quoting the bible at people really turns things around. Sigh.
dog, anyone can read scriptures. It's believing in Jesus and comprehending what He taught, then applying His love to our lives is what makes or breaks the believer.
Oh thanks steve it all makes sense now.
Translation:
Anyone can read scripter. But it take gullible people to believe it.
Fine HS, then I guess it's pointless for you to keep posting quote after quote like a robotic dumbass.
HS: How does one go about comprehending what jesus meant if not for reading the only recorded information about him?? Do you have a special hotline you call to get him to clarify?
Jesus spoke in parables. As He said to His disciples,
To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, so that seeing they may see and not perceive, and hearing they may hear and not understand; lest they should turn, and their sins be forgiven them. (Mark 4:11-12)
Amen.
"Seek firstly the kingdom domains of God and do not dawdle in the ways of the religious w h o r e d o m s that only want your faith donations in order to stay afloat." Keep abreast of the sciences ever changing philosophies regarding the astronomical findings and the atomic relationships reaching a spatial relationship of similarities' sameness.
Heaven, amen. The elect will hear and believe, the elect will hear and receive. The others will harden their hearts and many will become like the kind we see in hear. Sad.
Sam, it is the Word of God that brings about salvation. Not the words of men. So yes, quoting scripture is indeed the key.
@Steve
You said, "it is the Word of God that brings about salvation."
Got any evidence to suggest that god of yours is anything other than a figment of your imagination? Any at all?
You said, "Not the words of men. So yes, quoting scripture is indeed the key."
All you cling to as the words of your imaginary friend, are "words of men".
Steve,
First off they are the words of/from men. This you cannot deny. To do so, shows your true ignorance by choice. Secondly,
Potential mental illness
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Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear these friends.
Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked.
Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results.
Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact.
Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan".
steve: the bible is only relevant to those who accept it's authority.
can you point out where (other than the bible) you get the notion that man are sinners?
steve: your "word of god" ARE the words of man...edited,translated iron age hearsay. get over yourself
So mindlessly quoting scripture at people is the key? That is amazing. And annoying. I'm betting you don't get invited to many social gatherings.
sam, if someone finds Jesus' scriptures annoying, it's because that annoying part of them hasn't been worked out of their system yet.
sam stone, did you know this about Jesus?
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 22:13
Amen.
HeavenSent has potential potential mental illness
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Hallucinations – the person has invisible friends who (s)he insists are real, and to whom (s)he speaks daily, even though nobody can actually see or hear these friends.
Delusions – the patient believes that the invisible friends have magical powers to make them rich, cure cancer, bring about world peace, and will do so eventually if asked.
Denial/Inability to learn – though the requests for world peace remain unanswered, even after hundreds of years, the patients persist with the praying behaviour, each time expecting different results.
Inability to distinguish fantasy from reality – the beliefs are contingent upon ancient mythology being accepted as historical fact.
Paranoia – the belief that anyone who does not share their supernatural concept of reality is "evil," "the devil," "an agent of Satan".
#https://www.facebook.com/RichardDawkinsFoundation/posts/10151583537145155
Russ
What facility did you use to come to the conclusion that god exists?
They're even makin' doggie parks these days. That doesn't mean you'll get a headstone, though. Ah, ye ol' facilities.
That got you thinking.
Not an easy answer is it?
LOL
You are also not worth conversing with.
"lamb of dog
Russ. No I have family all over the world that I like to visit.
But ever since a bunch of religious fanatics decided to fly a plane into some building we have increased security dramatically. Maybe you should increase your level of skepticism."
you are a sad, lonely, frightened, miserable liar
No I am not.
Why would you write that?
Faith
On second thought I don't care.
You are a little to crazy to bother with.
"you are a sad, lonely, frightened, miserable liar"
Why on earth would you say that, faith? Are you seriously trying to suggest that the men who flew the airplanes into the WTC were not religious fanatics??
Or that airport security has not increased since 9/11??
faith has trouble staying on topic. Or on this plane of consciousness.
faith has issues seeing her own hypocrisy..
lamb of dog
No I am not.
you are a lonely, miserable, friendless witch with no place to go where friends and family welcome you
to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost
That Peter must have had the power to discern the state of the heart, else he had not known the perfidy of Ananias. This power, commonly called the discernment of spirits, the apostles had as a particular gift, not probably always but at select times, when God saw it necessary for the good of his Church.
You to faith
For all creationists and ID believers...............IT only takes minutes to figure IT out. No fairy in the sky needed !
New Device Can Extract Human DNA With Full Genetic Data in Minutes
May 6, 2013 — Take a swab of saliva from your mouth and within minutes your DNA could be ready for analysis and genome sequencing with the help of a new device.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130506132100.htm
Update : Thanks you faith
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/11/my-take-gay-christian-is-not-an-oxymoron/#comments
There is no fairy in the sky..............with his partner the red devil !
But.....................MOM AND DAD DID IT !!!..................and NOT with the horn-y red devil `
Scientists Identify Why Some Fathers Are Left Holding the Baby
Mar. 12, 2013 — A century old mystery as to why, for some animals, it's the father rather than the mother that takes care of their young has been cracked by researchers at the University of Sheffield.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130312121842.htm\
That red devil with the funky horns...........and his partner the fairy.........did NOT create US !
The ORIGIN story is bullsh-it...............so is the bible............... nasty !
From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml
Scientists have unearthed the first direct signs of cheesemaking, at a site in Poland that dates back 7,500 years.
Human Evolution
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2cHumanevo.shtml
For all POLITIANS see below!
For all creationists and ID believers...............IT only takes minutes to figure IT out. No fairy in the sky needed !
New Device Can Extract Human DNA With Full Genetic Data in Minutes
May 6, 2013 — Take a swab of saliva from your mouth and within minutes your DNA could be ready for analysis and genome sequencing with the help of a new device.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130506132100.htm
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But Sara..................the POLITICIANS...............military and police forces should know the information and understand IT !
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/11/my-take-gay-christian-is-not-an-oxymoron/#comments
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well, that is wonderful. thanks for sharing.
so what?
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Maybe they.............the politicians and you faith can learn the truth ..................and everybody around the planet !
Mom and Dad............created you ............not the fairy in the sky............with the red horn-y devil.
Peace
Chad too.............poke.
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And faith....................they might know already.
https://www.f35.com/
Peace
May 14, 2013 at 7:31 am | Report abuse | Reply
Hey faith..................I remember asking you on Christians Be Nice................about S_EX education if it woked for you,
and the SH-IT HIT THE FAN..................and pages went bye bye.................too funny................and the dance
is going on over on the other thread faith...............you know .............lmfas..........bedevroooooom !!! and the red devil !!!
May 14, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Report abuse |
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http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/29/my-take-if-you-hear-god-speak-audibly-you-usually-arent-crazy/comment-page-87/#comments
May 14, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Report abuse |
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They are all there chad..................even loony !
Science
Hey AK
No god(s) needed................... Old. DNA works..................also catches crooks !
Ancient DNA Reveals Europe's Dynamic Genetic History
Apr. 23, 2013 — Ancient DNA recovered from a series of skeletons in central Germany up to 7,500 years old has been used to reconstruct the first detailed genetic history of modern Europe.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130423134037.htm
Peace
May 15, 2013 at 7:10 am | Report abuse |
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From the CRAZY link above !!!
richardmull Education works too .....Guess what you might have one .
Hey Bobie and As-stin Chad/rachel l4h fred Robert Brown loony bethany etc etc All creationists !!!
Was the bible around back then ?
Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought
Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm
No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US
Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.
Peace
March 11, 2013 at 7:06 am | Report abuse |
May 15, 2013 at 7:24 am | Report abuse |
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Hey AK
Education does work for children................ with facts = truth.
Peace
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/05/when-christians-become-a-hated-minority/
HEY faith................. is all over the place.............and full of BS............Enjoy faith !!!
Messed-Up Bible Stories – 2 – Adam and Eve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRGnPIlclps&feature=endscreen&NR=1
Peace
Evolving Genes Lead to Evolving Genes: Selection in European Populations of Genes Regulated by FOXP2
Apr. 18, 2013 — Researchers have designed a method that can universally test for evolutionary adaption, or positive (Darwinian) selection, in any chosen set of genes, using re-sequencing data such as that generated by the 1000 Genomes Project. The method identifies gene sets that show evidence for positive selection in comparison with matched controls, and thus highlights genes for further functional studies.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130418124905.htm
Free nut
Open drawer in a hotel room to find it .
May 10, 2013 at 3:53 pm | Report abuse | Reply
Dan
You left your nut in a hotel room drawer? Yikes!
May 10, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Report abuse |
Hepcat
It's a trap!
May 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm | Report abuse |
Fee nut
Drove it nuts, the thing in the drawer .
May 10, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Report abuse |
Blessed are the Cheesemakers
Hotels should put condoms in the drawers....they would be more useful.
May 10, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
Dan
A "Fee nut" sounds like something you have to pay for...
May 10, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Report abuse |
Dan
If they started putting condoms in the drawers instead of bibles they might actually cut down on the number of abortions each year in America. I bet they would save thousands of more lives then shooting another doctor in the head like they are want to do.
May 10, 2013 at 4:22 pm | Report abuse |
Bible Clown©
Conrad Hilton's autobiography?
May 10, 2013 at 4:23 pm | Report abuse |
snoops
probably save them a bundle on sheets too...
May 10, 2013 at 4:24 pm | Report abuse |
snoops
or a photo of Kathy Bates getting out of the hot tub in "About Schmidt", that in a hotel drawer would severly cut down on the number of abortions in America...
May 10, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Report abuse |
Free nut
Condoms work !
May 10, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Report abuse |
Science
All over the bedVrooooooooooooooooooooooooom.....................no sh-it !!!
The old red devil and the bedroom ................not fvcking funny !!!
May 15, 2013 at 11:19 am | Report abuse |
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/05/when-christians-become-a-hated-minority/comment-page-103/#comment-2341795
Hey faith................someone has to pay the bills please check it out OK............Thanks !
http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/parker/
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/05/when-christians-become-a-hated-minority/comment-page-107/#comment-2342007
Peace
and that is the truth faith
The End
Hey faith................the birds of a feather !
How did feathers evolve? – Carl Zimmer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPLgfGX1I5Y&feature=player_embedded
Russ, you coward, how's that evidence for your sky fairy coming along? Still have none that you can present? Thought so.
Let's see what your dodge of the moment is, Russ the coward.
Bob I don't know if it was you are me but someone scared him off.
@ Bob: how many times do we have to cover this? I gave you two great, scholarly books on these topics. that's over 1700 pages of your requested *evidence.* yet you continue to ask for evidence... while it's clear you haven't even read a critical review of those works, much less actually read the primary material.
once again...
Richard Bauckham's "Jesus & the Eyewitnesses"
NT Wright's "The Resurrection of the Son of God"
@ lamb: scared off? no. busy at work... yes.
Richard Bauckham's "Jesus & the Eyewitnesses"
Youtube has a 10 minute talk by this Richard fella on the subject of his book and it's not very convincing. Just listening to him qualify everything he says with "I think" and "it's plausible" and "it's quite likely" or "most scholars would agree" to tie together his idea of how the gospels could be considered history rather than folklore. At best he's making a case for the people, places and to some extent the events described in the gospels as actual history but that in no way provides eveidence for the existence of the miraculous. A textual account of a miracle, even from eye witness testimony, isn't proof. Just like an eye witness to a UFO isn't proof. There isn't any atheist I know who would argue that a dude named Jesus was walking around preaching about his God. Claming that he was the son of God and performed miracles is an entirely different matter. And an entirely implausible one.
The odds that Jesus was the son of god have been place at zero.
Seek first the kingdom domains of God and once your vision settles, you will know that one's body is where the kingdom domains of God are to be found. For the depths of atomized inwardness are as far as the outward distant stars in the night skies. Either direction is as stained evolutions upon the inner and outer chasms of all issues cosmological. This earth of one's birth is a celestial wonder and our bodies are made wondrous by the evolutionary trails as being trailed wanderings of atomized cosmological constructs of cellular conditionings made manifested and is a testimonial to all celestial manifestations of living cellular combinations of atomized cloisters.
No cigar. Not even close.
I don't think LL has a clue what "atomized" means. Then again, I don't think LL knows what most of the words he uses mean.
@Bill Deacon
You are an idiot.
You claimed that there were no new gods created after jesus. You are wrong.
Allah, as interpreted by Muslims, is not the same as your god. The denial of jesus as a son of god should make this clear to you. Your god is a trinity – Allah is not. The two have the same origin, but they are worshipped differently. This link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_founders_of_religious_traditions
has 83 religions that started after 1800. That's eighty-three new religions since 1800. Are you actually going to try to defend your statement by picking a few that don't define god like you do and ignore all the rest?
You continue to ask what benefit gay marriage has for society. We have answered this for you several times. My answer again, and worded differently: A society is made up by its members. Discriminating against some members hurts the whole. It also hurts society when people like you fail to follow your own teachings. Don't judge others, love your enemy, and treat others as you wish to be treated.
It is no wonder people mock you when you are so intentionally blind.
Alias, Food for thought. Mohammad's and his Allah mentions Jesus Christ in there book, but there is no mention of Mohammad nor Allah in Jesus' truth.
Do you sell golden Scarab jewelry??
The primary truth about Jesus worth sharing is that he obviously wasn't a divine being, nor the son of one.
@Heaven Sent
Well DUH!
Jesus was several centuries before Mohamed/Allah.
How could he have mentioned them?????
Okay so discrimination is bad. Does that mean we should allow polygamy? Why not lower the age of consent? We are, after all so much more advanced these days? Are you willing to eliminate all discrimination or just that of your favorite classes?
In other words, I find "Discrimination is bad" to be more of a rallying cry than an argument. There are all kinds of arguments for why Capitalism is good, or socialism or any number of other thoughts. Why should we allow a major shift in the way society is structured based on "Discrimination is bad" and "You're stupid"?
In most European countries the age of consent is 16. Does that make them wrong?
@Bill Deacon
What does discrimination have to do with polygamy? Or the age of consent?
Yes, I am willing to eliminate all discrimination.
That means giving everyone equal rights and equal responsibilities.
Bill,
Are you going to dodge my questions AGAIN.
And yes Bill,
Gov't discrimination is bad....when it is based on religious belief it is even worse.
And it looks like Bill has run away again.
Without even acknowledging that a new god id made up every few years.
The fundies on this site are not good christians.
Alias, you posted "@Heaven Sent, Well DUH! Jesus was several centuries before Mohamed/Allah.
How could he have mentioned them?????
Answer: Know His truth.
Great [is] our Lord, and of great power: his understanding [is] infinite.
Psalms 147:5
Amen.
Billie likes running away !
Did you forget this one Bill................... about the angels ?
And NO ANGELS then old pope KICKED them in OFF the TEAM last year !
From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml
Pope's book on Jesus challenges Christmas traditions
By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN
updated 10:56 AM EST, Fri November 23, 2012
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/vatican-pope-jesus-book/index.html?iref=allsearch
May 8, 2013 at 5:01 pm | Report abuse |
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All these years Bill and there are suppose to be angels.......................then poof go the angels according to the old pope;.......
where are the morals there Bill ?
May 8, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Report abuse |
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Or is that to simple for you Bill ?
May 8, 2013 at 6:53 pm | Report abuse |
For all creationists and ID believers...............IT only takes minutes to figure IT out. No fairy in the sky needed !
New Device Can Extract Human DNA With Full Genetic Data in Minutes
May 6, 2013 — Take a swab of saliva from your mouth and within minutes your DNA could be ready for analysis and genome sequencing with the help of a new device.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130506132100.htm
Allah, as interpreted by Muslims, is not the same as your god
Just because they have slightly different descriptions in their holy books, does not mean that god and allah are not the same deity. The root of both is Abraham, so how can they not be the same?
heavensent, where you fellowship, do you have prophets exercising their gifts?
does your fellowship follow scriptural instructions when they speak in foreign and angelic languages in terms of offering the interpretation?
Do you actually believe that people "speak in tongs"?
They do at barbecues
@Ellen
Read what I mean not what I spell. 😉
faith, I fellowship with Christians that read His truth, left the church when I was 16, promising my parents that I would read His Word for the rest of my life.
By 'fellowship', HS means she's not allowed in most churches, so she prowls fundie sites to look for people as crazy as she is.
sam, the Catholic Church introduced me to Jesus. It was up to me to read His truth cover to cover. Same with attending college. Does your professor teach you everything on a subject you are taking? Impossible to do so in the length of a semester. That's why you continue further research on your own? That's if you are interested.
HeavenSent, glad to know you attented community college.
Translation: "Church wasn't churchy enough; they recognized me as too much even for their craziness, and happily let me go."
I thought you Christians would like lots of quotes from your story book ...
My apologies to anyone else.
And NO ANGELS then old pope KICKED them in OFF the TEAM last year !
From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml
Pope's book on Jesus challenges Christmas traditions
By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN
updated 10:56 AM EST, Fri November 23, 2012
http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/vatican-pope-jesus-book/index.html?iref=allsearch
Science, shouldn't you be off inventing more devices for a war machine?? They always get ramped up during times of war.
First lol?? POUND SAND !!!
Look up the F- 35 fighter plane ( over a billion dollors a piece ) .............for what......... I do not know really the need for
it ...................but who am I but some sh-it head on the intenet !
Science
And faith....................they might know already.
https://www.f35.com/
Peace
May 14, 2013 at 7:31 am | Report abuse | Reply