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Evangelical Christians say they are the new victims of intolerance - they're persecuted for condemning homosexuality.
May 5th, 2013
06:00 AM ET

When Christians become a 'hated minority'

By John Blake, CNN

(CNN) - When Peter Sprigg speaks publicly about his opposition to homosexuality, something odd often happens.

During his speeches, people raise their hands to challenge his assertions that the Bible condemns homosexuality, but no Christians speak out to defend him.

“But after it is over, they will come over to talk to me and whisper in my ear, ‘I agree with everything you said,’" says Sprigg, a spokesman for The Family Research Council, a powerful, conservative Christian lobbying group.

We’ve heard of the “down-low” gay person who keeps his or her sexual identity secret for fear of public scorn. But Sprigg and other evangelicals say changing attitudes toward homosexuality have created a new victim: closeted Christians who believe the Bible condemns homosexuality but will not say so publicly for fear of being labeled a hateful bigot.

As proof, Sprigg points to the backlash that ESPN commentator Chris Broussard sparked recently. Broussard was called a bigot and a purveyor of hate speech when he said an NBA player who had come out as gay was living in “open rebellion to God.” Broussard said the player, Jason Collins, was “living in unrepentant sin” because the Bible condemns homosexuality.

“In the current culture, it takes more courage for someone like Chris Broussard to speak out than for someone like Jason Collins to come out,” says Sprigg, a former pastor. “The media will hail someone who comes out of the closet as gay, but someone who simply expresses their personal religious views about homosexual conduct is attacked.”

When is disagreement hate?

Bryan Litfin, a theology professor at Moody Bible Institute in Illinois, says Christians should be able to publicly say that God designed sex to take place within a marriage between a man and a woman.

“That isn’t so outrageous,” Litfin says. “Nobody is expressing hate toward homosexuals by saying that. Since when is disagreement the same as hate?”

But quoting the Bible doesn't inoculate anyone from becoming a bigot or hater, some scholars say. There's a point at which a Christian's opposition to homosexuality can become bigotry, and even hate speech, they say.

Crossing such a line has happened many times in history.

A literal reading of the Bible was used to justify all sorts of hatred: slavery, the subjugation of women and anti-Semitism, scholars and pastors say.

“Truly damaging speech cannot be excused just because it expresses genuine religious belief,” says Mark D. Jordan, author of “Recruiting Young Love: How Christians Talk about Homosexuality.”

“Some religious beliefs, sincerely held, are detestable. They cannot be spoken without disrupting social peace,” says Jordan, a professor at the John Danforth Center on Religion & Politics at Washington University in St. Louis.

The point where religious speech becomes hate speech is difficult to define, though, scholars and activists say.

The Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama is a nonprofit civil rights group that combats and monitors hate groups. Three years ago, it designated the Family Research Council, the group that Sprigg represents, as a hate group - a characterization the group stridently rejects.

Mark Potok,  a center spokesman, says there’s no shared definition of what constitutes hate speech.

“There is no legal meaning. It’s just a phrase,” Potok says. “Hate speech is in the ear of the beholder.”

'One of the most hated minorities?'

Intolerance may be difficult to define, but some evangelicals say they have become victims of intolerance because of their reverence for the Bible.

The conservative media culture is filled with stories about evangelicals being labeled as “extremists” for their belief that homosexuality is a sin.

Their sense of persecution goes beyond their stance on homosexuality. There are stories circulating of evangelical students being suspended for opposing homosexuality, a teacher fired for giving a Bible to a curious student, and the rise of anti-Christian bigotry.

A blogger at The American Dream asked in one essay:

“Are evangelical Christians rapidly becoming one of the most hated minorities in America?”

The reluctance of evangelicals to speak out against homosexuality is often cited as proof they are being forced into the closet.

Joe Carter, editor for The Gospel Coalition, an online evangelical magazine, wrote a blog post entitled “Debatable: Is the Christian Church a ‘Hate Group’?" He warned that young people will abandon “orthodox” Christian churches that teach that homosexuality is a sin for fear of being called haters.

“Faux civility, embarrassment, prudishness and a fear of expressing an unpopular opinion has caused many Christians to refrain from explaining how homosexual conduct destroys lives,” Carter wrote.

Some Christians fear that opposing homosexuality could cause them to lose their jobs and “haunt them forever,” Carter says.

“It’s easier to just go along,” says Carter, who is also author of “How to Argue Like Jesus.” “You don’t want to be lumped in with the bigots. That’s a powerful word."

Edward Johnson, a communication professor at Campbell University in North Carolina, says we are now living in a "postmodern" era where everything is relative and there is no universally accepted truth. It's an environment in which anyone who says "this is right" and "that is wrong" is labeled intolerant, he says.

There was a time when a person could publicly say homosexuality was wrong and people could consider the statement without anger, he says. Today, people have reverted to an intellectual tribalism where they are only willing to consider the perspective of their own tribe.

“They are incapable of comprehending that someone may have a view different than theirs,” Johnson says. “For them anyone who dares to question the dogma of the tribe can only be doing so out of hatred.”

Sprigg, from the Family Research Council, says his condemnation of homosexual conduct does not spring from intolerance but a desire to protect gays from harmful conduct, he says.

Sprigg, a senior fellow for policy studies at the council, wrote in a council pamphlet that homosexual men are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse than are straight men. He also wrote that gay men are also afflicted with a higher rate of sexually transmitted diseases and mental illness as well.

Sprigg says he does not believe homosexuality is a choice and that “personal testimonies" and "clinical experience” show that some people “can and do change from gay to straight.”

“Maybe we need to do a better job of showing that we are motivated by Christian love,” Sprigg says. “Love is wanting the best for someone, and acting to bring that about.”

'That's a lie'

Potok, from the Southern Poverty Law Center, has little use for the love Sprigg talks about.

He calls it hatred, and his voice rose in anger when he talked about the claims by Sprigg and other Christian groups that gay men are more predisposed to molest children and that homosexual behavior is inherently harmful.

He says the Southern Poverty Law Center didn’t designate the Family Research Group a hate group because they view homosexuality as a sin or oppose same-sex marriage, Potok says. There are plenty of Christian groups who hold those beliefs but are not hate groups, he says.

A group becomes a hate group when it attacks and maligns an entire class of people for their “immutable characteristics,” Potok says. The Family Research Council spreads known falsehoods about gays and lesbians, he says, such as the contention that gay men are predisposed to abuse children.

“That’s a lie,” Potok says. “These guys are engaging in straight-up defamation of a very large group of people. There are not many things much worse than you can say in America about somebody than they are a child molester.”

Potok scoffed at Spriggs’ claim that the council and other evangelical anti-gay groups are victims of intolerance.

“That’s whining on the part of people who spend their days and nights attacking gay people and then some people criticize them and they don’t like it,” he says. “That’s pathetic. It reminds me of slave owners complaining that people are saying ugly things about them.”

What the Bible says

What about the popular evangelical claim, “We don’t hate the sinner, just the sin” – is that seen as intolerance or hate speech when it comes to homosexuality?

There are those who say you can’t hate the sin and love the sinner because being gay or lesbian is defined by one’s sexual behavior; it’s who someone is.

“Most people who identify as gay and lesbian would say that this is not an action I’m choosing to do; this is who I am,” says Timothy Beal, author of “The Rise and Fall of the Bible: The Unexpected History of an Accidental Book.”

Beal, a religion professor at Case Western University in Ohio, says it should be difficult for any Christian to unequivocally declare that the Bible opposes homosexuality because the Bible doesn’t take a single position on the topic. It's an assertion that many scholars and mainline Protestant pastors would agree with.

Some people cite Old Testament scriptures as condemning homosexuality, such as  Leviticus 18:22 - “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.” But other Christians counter by saying they are not bound by the Old Testament.

There are those who also cite New Testament scriptures like Romans 1:26-27 - “… Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men. …”

Beal, however, says Jesus said little about sex. And the Apostle Paul, who wrote Romans, was probably referring to male prostitution and men having sexual relations with boys, a practice in the Greco-Roman world.

“Paul does not understand genetics and sexual orientation the way we understand it now as something much more than a choice,” says Beal.

Some evangelicals say Christians can’t change their view of biblical truth just because times change. But some scholars reply:

Sure you can. Christians do it all the time.

Denying a woman’s ability to preach in church was justified by scriptures like 1 Timothy 2:11-12 - “… I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” But many churches have abandoned that teaching - and some scholars say a woman preached the first Christian sermon, when Mary Magdalene proclaimed that Jesus had risen.

Slaveholders in 19th century America justified slavery through a literal reading of the Bible, quoting Titus 2:9-10 – “Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything. …” And anti-Semitism was justified by the claims that Jews killed Jesus, such as Matthew 27: 25-26 - “Let his blood be on us and on our children.”

Litfin, from Moody Bible Institute, acknowledged that the Bible once sanctioned slavery, but he said that practice was a “cultural expression” that changed over time. Evangelicals who oppose same-sex marriage by citing the Bible are on more solid ground, he says.

“Marriage is a universal and timeless institution that God set up for maximum human flourishing. He set it up in the first book of the Bible with the story of Adam and Eve. It is consistent throughout the whole Bible. … Marriage is in a different category than those cultural things.”

Public jousts over the Bible's stance on homosexuality rarely change people’s minds. What changes is when people get to know gay and lesbian people as friends and hear their story, says Beal, author of “The Rise and Fall of the Bible.”

“If you open up to that other person genuinely, you basically come to a point where you have to sacrifice them to your ideology or crack open your ideology to make a hospitable place for them,” Beal says.

One Christian pastor who is gay says the uproar over the ESPN commentator’s comments can actually be good,  because debates help settle moral disputes.

“What appears to us as antiquated and prejudicial now was once a disputed issue that required debate,” says the Rev. Richard McCarty, a minister in the United Church of Christ and a religious studies professor at Mercyhurst University in Pennsylvania.

Until the debate over homosexuality is settled - if it ever is - there may be plenty of evangelical Christians who feel as if they are now being forced to stay in the closet.

Carter, the evangelical blogger, says he foresees a day when any church that preaches against homosexuality will be marginalized. Just as many churches now accept divorce, they will accept sexual practices once considered sinful.

“It’s getting to the point,” he says, “where churches are not going to say that any sexual activity is wrong.”

- CNN Writer

Filed under: Belief • Bible • Christianity • Church • Church and state • Culture wars • Protest • Sex • Sexuality • Sports

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  1. Science

    Did you forget this one Chad................... about the angels ?

    And NO ANGELS then old pope KICKED them in OFF the TEAM last year !

    From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

    Pope's book on Jesus challenges Christmas traditions

    By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN

    updated 10:56 AM EST, Fri November 23, 2012

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/vatican-pope-jesus-book/index.html?iref=allsearch

    All these years Chad and there are suppose to be angels.......................then poof go the angels according to the old pope;.......

    where are the morals there Chad ?

    Or is that to simple for you Chad ?

    May 9, 2013 at 3:16 am |
  2. They just crazy

    There should be an article about how religion is hated and that people are not their religion but have individual levels of mental illness and are hated on an individual basis with extra hate going out to the crazy rules crazy people can follow in a crazy way.

    May 9, 2013 at 2:25 am |
  3. Rebecca

    Please note: gay did not make the Top 10 Commandments. Every Christian has broken one or more of the top 10. Even the Christian God recognizes a hypocrite when He sees one. "Christians" are now hated because they spew hate all the time and that is NOT what Jesus Christ taught. Nazis did the same evil spewing and also gave "Christians" a bad name.

    May 9, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • Pwony Pwnie

      There are No True Scotsmen either huh Becca...

      May 9, 2013 at 12:32 am |
    • Michael

      It's like the GOP politician who condemn gay people for their "sin" yet they're on their third marriage.

      You would think most of the religious-right just wants to erase the Ten Commandments and just write "Tho Shall Not Be Gay" ten times over.

      May 9, 2013 at 3:26 am |
    • biggles

      There ain't no commandments. Anything goes.

      May 9, 2013 at 10:07 am |
  4. DoNotWorry

    Simple: When Christians became a "Hating Minority" they became a "hated minority."

    May 9, 2013 at 12:21 am |
  5. wanalawn

    "Since when is disagreement the same as hate?”"
    When you use your disagreement to take rights away from others, and you use it as an excuse try to infect society with your bigotry. Of course the whisper it in your ear, they know it's wrong but can't reconcile it with their pick and choose belief system. Just like if you where saying women who commit adultery should be stoned.

    May 8, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
    • lol??

      What rights??

      May 9, 2013 at 12:16 am |
    • Ken

      Funny, without even trying to take anyone's rights away, Christians very often accuse atheists of "hate" simply because we do happen to disagree with them. They accuse us of being evil for doing this too. Ironic, eh?

      May 9, 2013 at 12:41 am |
    • Athy

      Ken, you've nailed the main crux of the problem. The religies just have too much emotional "investment" in their beliefs to see the truth. We'll need to wait another few generations to stamp it out. Just be patient.

      May 9, 2013 at 1:31 am |
  6. Dyslexic doG

    After many years of speaking with Christians, I find that for most of them, the foundation of their belief boils down to the fact that they can't imagine this world, this universe, being here by accident. It must have been created by something.

    I have to ask then, who or what created God?

    And if the answer is that God has always existed, then why can't the universe have always just existed?

    Before your replies I would comment that a retreat into mysticism is the first refuge of the cornered fool. Also, try to offer something other than a Bible verse.

    May 8, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
    • lol??

      Such a demanding dawg. Give up on witches??

      May 8, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • Vic

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/23/the-money-man-behind-atheisms-activism/comment-page-34/#comment-2237533

      May 8, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
    • Chad

      @Dyslexic doG "And if the answer is that God has always existed, then why can't the universe have always just existed?"
      @Chad "well, that was the thought for thousands of years (that the universe had always existed).
      But, then, in the past 100 years, a series of discoveries resulted in a complete transformation of thought, we now know that our universe has not always existed, rather it had a beginning, confirming the theistic claim:

      – 1929: Edwin Hubble discovers red shift (the stars and planets are all moving away from each other. The universe is expanding in all directions)
      – 1965: discovery of microwave cosmic background radiation (the echo's of the big bang)
      – 1998, two independent research groups studying distant supernovae were astonished to discover, against all expectations, that the current expansion of the universe is accelerating (Reiss 1998, Perlmutter 1999).
      – 2003: Borde, Guth, and Vilenkin's Past-Finite Universe proves our universe had a beginning

      so.. the universe had a beginning, it's been proven.

      May 8, 2013 at 11:34 pm |
    • Huebert

      chad

      Yes the universe had a beginning. This is not evidence for god.;

      May 9, 2013 at 12:21 am |
    • ..

      And yet, AND YET, nobody created God. Sure. God's always existed. Riiiiiiiiight. Baloney.

      May 9, 2013 at 12:25 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      @ Chad "we now know that our universe has not always existed, rather it had a beginning, confirming the theistic claim:"

      And this one sentence sums up the dishonesty of Chad. IF the universe had an actual beginning it would only confirm a part of ALL creation myths. Not just his. But it does not answer if a god was the cause, nor WHICH god.

      Not to mention no reputable scientist has ever claimed with certainty that matter ever came from absolute nothing as is required for the theistic claim. It is such a dishonest arguement, and Chad is plenty knowledgable to know this that the only reasonable conclusion it is an intentional lie.

      Beginning of the Universe = God

      God = Jesus

      Jesus = Liars for Jesus

      May 9, 2013 at 1:53 am |
    • Michael

      Of course you can't prove God, that's where faith comes in. However the problem is when someone tries to use their faith to push their views and enact laws based on it.

      Honestly, I think the best argument one can make, who actually believes in God, is the spirit. There's definitely a force inside of you driving you to feel emotion. In other words, the best argument for God is love.

      Obviously, in the real world, that wouldn't win any argument.

      May 9, 2013 at 3:32 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      F=ma , Michael. If there is a force inside you perhaps it can be measured.

      May 9, 2013 at 3:35 am |
    • Science

      Hey Chad IT only takes minutes to find out ...............maybe you should have yours done ?

      New Device Can Extract Human DNA With Full Genetic Data in Minutes

      May 6, 2013 — Take a swab of saliva from your mouth and within minutes your DNA could be ready for analysis and genome sequencing with the help of a new device.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130506132100.htm

      May 9, 2013 at 8:11 am |
    • Science

      Hey Sara.................what can't they understand ?

      Hey Bobie and As-stin Chad/rachel l4h fred Robert Brown loony bethany kev bx fred topher etc etc All creationists and ID believers ........................

      Was the bible around back then .................bible thumpers ?

      Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought

      Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm

      No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US

      Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.

      Peace

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      May 15, 2013 at 7:24 am | Report abuse |

      How did feathers evolve? – Carl Zimmer

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPLgfGX1I5Y&w=640&h=360]

      faith....................thinks the sky is falling !.....................or the se-x education deal on Christians Be Nice.

      Pound SAND faith.with your partner the red horn-y devil.

      May 15, 2013 at 6:55 pm | Report abuse |

      May 15, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
  7. faith

    "Raffiniert ist der Herrgott, aber boshaft ist er nicht".

    May 8, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • ..

      "Nazis sind Christen. Bitte in den Griff bekommen Realität."

      May 8, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
    • faith

      this is einstein at his best. his entire adult life was a passionate, non-stop quest to find the mind of god. like lombardi pursued perfection of the green bay sweep (and attended mass every day) einstein wanted to gaze at the thoughts of god

      along that path, he discovered the universe functioned under laws completely different than what most held.

      May 8, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
    • ..

      Englebert Humperdink equestrian jeejaw ramshackle.

      May 9, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • fintastic

      "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
      (Albert Einstein, 1954)

      May 9, 2013 at 8:34 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      faith
      Du hast nicht

      May 9, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
  8. faith

    tallulah13
    "The bad news is that evidence for God is given by the Holy Spirit direct to your heart these days and is instantaneous not a process of scientific method."
    "So basically the only proof you have of god is an emotion. Emotions are unreliable and your emotional experience is simply proof that you had an emotional experience."

    nope. no evidence. no proof of any kind. we made up the whole thing. you found us out

    May 8, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
    • Michael

      Hey Faith, as a following believer in a Higher Power, I have to inform you quoting the Bible to prove God exists is probably the most ignorant line of reasoning.

      btw, it's so embarrassing these days to call oneself a Christian when so many so-called Christians are the biggest i d i o t s.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
    • faith

      dorothy

      i told u before, i'm not interested. i think anvil head is your type

      May 8, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
    • ..

      Flibberty jibbet will-o-the-wisp dagnabbit gibberish dorothy-speak Baith Figgles.

      May 9, 2013 at 12:41 am |
  9. Michael

    You know, as a Christian I must say nothing drives people away from God and Christianity quicker than your right-wing Christian.

    May 8, 2013 at 9:07 pm |
    • faith

      thank boris.

      what is scripture? there ain't no such thing no more c, i been enlightened. one day, no one noed when, a bunch of words appeared on some papyrus and every body got all juiced up. maybe some clowns thought they could make a quick buck putting together in one big box

      here's what some of those lying forgers said they found out of the blue

      Blessed are the poor in spirit,
      for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
      Blessed are those who mourn,
      for they will be comforted.
      Blessed are the meek,
      for they will inherit the earth.
      Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
      for they will be filled.
      Blessed are the merciful,
      for they will be shown mercy.
      Blessed are the pure in heart,
      for they will see God.
      Blessed are the peacemakers,
      for they will be called children of God.
      Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
      for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      7Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. 8Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. 9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

      While the first four beati.tudes focused on negative traits, these next three focus on positive traits as a sort of instruction how to live. This serves as a sort of 'carrot' to guide people toward right behavior. We may do well to encourage people to be merciful, pure and seek peace, but promising recompense in an afterlife is only required for those who cannot understand that doing good for its own sake is its own reward.

      These verses aren't bad advice; they're simply a naive way to develop a moral code. We should certainly expect something more from a divinely wise being.

      It's also worth noting that Jesus, who advocates mercy, states in Matthew 10:33 "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." These don't appear to be merciful words.

      May 8, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
    • lol??

      Rw impllies lw.
      What's the difference??

      May 8, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
    • faith

      "promising recompense in an afterlife is only required for those who cannot understand that doing good for its own sake is its own reward." who cares?

      ain't nothin to any of it

      nothin to what you say about recompense in heaven required for immature slobs

      who ever made up them sayings might a been just statin facts not makin promises

      May 8, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
    • faith

      what do u care anyways?

      May 8, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Cheesy, God is merciful to all who believe, love and follow Him. The rest that don't believe, love and follow His truth will be blotted out and none of us will remember anyone who didn't believe, love God and follow Him.

      May 8, 2013 at 11:30 pm |
    • ..

      Faith is cunty fresh and fruity tonight, isn't she?

      May 9, 2013 at 12:51 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Jesus doesn't mind my occasional indulgences either. He made me so many cats anyway, and I just get so hongry.

      May 9, 2013 at 12:57 am |
    • HeavenStench

      I love Santa Claus! he is so loving and wonderful.. I dream about him at night; I feel him in my heart... if you don't believe in Santa Claus you're a poopy head.

      May 9, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
  10. faith

    HeavenSent
    So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: [and] they walked in their own counsels.
    Psalms 81:12
    Amen.

    paul says that some spoke in the tongues of angels

    May 8, 2013 at 9:01 pm |
    • Michael

      Thou ability to post thy scripture doeth not change thou fact anyone can post thy scripture and thoughst still doesn't make thy sense.

      Michael 41:12

      May 8, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
    • Michael

      Shoot I totally forgot:

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

      Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
    • Michael

      Why is it you guys think posting scripture proves anything???

      "Do Not Judge."

      Jesus H. Christ

      May 8, 2013 at 9:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Judging Is Believing.

      Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? (Luke 12:57)

      What is right?

      The statutes of the Lord are right (Psalm 19:8)

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 10:13 pm |
    • Ellen

      HeavenSent, your comment is just circular reasoning. The book is right because it says it is...

      Do you get that?

      May 9, 2013 at 12:59 am |
    • Dumbster Baby

      Circular reasoning gave us the laser. Praying is like that too.

      May 9, 2013 at 1:30 am |
    • Pingott

      No, Einstein gave us the laser. Nice try though. Do come again after you finish school.

      May 9, 2013 at 2:02 am |
    • Dumbster Baby

      The atoms get pumped to a higher state, circular reasoning making them all coherent... like people believing and praying to God.

      May 9, 2013 at 2:13 am |
    • Pingott

      That comment of yours falls into the GCE category. Circular reasoning ain't part of it. Y'all are welcome to try again.

      May 9, 2013 at 2:19 am |
    • Dumbster Baby

      God's word is like the energy being pumped in. The people that believe what he said, they become coherent, and they pray back to God... it's like a laser, atoms pumped to a higher state... circular reasoning.

      May 9, 2013 at 2:34 am |
    • Dumbster Baby

      The Old Testament is one mirror, the New Testament has those that believe Jesus died for them, to pass through that side, the coherent light can be free on that side... there's an analogy here somewhere... God's word all through it... pumping them up to the higher state. It seems to float... maybe

      May 9, 2013 at 3:30 am |
    • HeavenStench

      "Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever)"

      May 9, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
  11. Michael

    Maybe no one comes to his rescue because the FACT is the original text of the Bible doesn't condemn gay people.

    I've had these discussions with the "religious right" and you can offer them fact after fact after verifiable fact and they just ignore it, play dumb and then continue spouting the same stuff as if they've never heard of the actual factual information.

    May 8, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
    • Romnesia

      Just like talking with Chad and Vic and Topher.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
    • faith

      i think them words is pertty

      May 8, 2013 at 9:42 pm |
    • faith

      try the left

      May 8, 2013 at 9:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Michael, Psalm 10:3-4

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
    • lol??

      Have at it.

      May 8, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • lol??

      Well Mikey, since you won't offer the facts, I'll let you know that the mormons got it figured out. They hand out planets to couples and the gay couples will be able to prove their worth in civilization building.

      May 9, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • Michael

      Um, "lol", have you ever heard of Google? Try Googling "does the original text of the Bible condemn gay people"

      If you can't figure that one out then you might as well keep following the Mormons because you can't spell Mormon without a moron.

      May 9, 2013 at 3:35 am |
    • lol??

      Well Mikey, I did the google trick like you said. It came up with 2 results, one from the Huffington Post and one from CNN. Is this some kinda JOKE???? BBBBBbbbwaahahahahaha

      How did I know you have ZIP spiritual discernment?? This is no laughing matter. Marriage has ZIP to do with any church or any Beast gubmint. You know that, right?? Any idea how much money is spent on mobster judges and attorneys in the dissolution aspects of marriage in americult?? The transfer of assets, the lies, the dead spouses, the warped children, the corruption of people all the way to their souls because you and yer Qweirdo pals don't get it?? The LORD has heard the cry of it. BTW. baby killer, your abortion industry thanks you for the slaughter that makes the "holocaust" look like a walk in a gay park.

      May 9, 2013 at 6:58 am |
  12. Sam Yaza

    damn it Christians i get so sick of it,... please say the name of the good you worshiping, its confusing for us polytheist please no more use of the word God or Goddess, refer to your Deity of choice by name, please.

    May 8, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
    • james

      sam; I guess I will get it started since most know I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses, let's start there at the top. I will check back for serious questions but I know all the other comments, so save yourself the typing time. I believe our Creator desires and deserves to have a name used and that is the way I believe it is written or pronounced in this country. any real need for knowledge of what the Bible really teaches go to jw.org or I will be back later.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

      Revelation 17:14

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:54 pm |
    • Michael

      Hey, James, so what does the original text of the Bible state about being gay?

      I am sick of people who can only resort to their current translations to make their arguments.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
    • faith

      murray

      (he discovered ladies)

      May 8, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
    • james

      mike; if you want to be gay or happy,sad or depressed you go right ahead. I have had many friends of the beliefs that they have the right to live as they please and I have been their friends no matter who or what they feel they are and even when they change and go one way or another. you will not stir up anything in this pot with that subject. you do what you feel is right for you and I hope you consider me your equal whatever I believe.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:35 pm |
    • james

      mike; also before I go I must add that if you want a discussion on any translation let me know, I will check back.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:52 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!"

      Isaiah 43:10   Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

      Isaiah 43:11   I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour.

      Zechariah 14:9   And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

      Isaiah 44:6   Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.

      Isaiah 44:7   And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.

      Isaiah 44:8   Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].

      Isaiah 44:24   Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

      Isaiah 45:5   I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

      Isaiah 45:6   That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that [there is] none beside me. I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else.

      Isaiah 45:7   I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

      Isaiah 45:8   Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

      Isaiah 45:9   Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! [Let] the potsherd [strive] with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

      Isaiah 45:10   Woe unto him that saith unto [his] father, What begettest thou? or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth?

      Isaiah 45:18   For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.

      Isaiah 45:21   Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who] hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is] none beside me.

      Isaiah 45:22   Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else.

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
    • lol??

      Sam Yaza, I can see some things would be hard for you. Why did you make deity a proper noun?? Is that a new god??

      May 8, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
    • Michael

      Typical James. The good old "I'll just tell you to believe what you want to believe and I'll believe what I want to believe".

      The problem, James, is your belief isn't based on fact. I've already studied the context and the original text of those five or six scriptures used against gay people. There's a wealth of information out there since we live in the Information Age.

      Anyone who wants to use your line of excuses/reasoning ("Do what you want to do and I'll just keep doing what I'm doing") doesn't cut it anymore when any piece of information can be verified for it's accuracy.

      May 9, 2013 at 3:38 am |
    • james

      mike; one more response since you do not seem to be looking for a discussion but an argument. I said what I did because you asked and that is what I believe. as far as the Bible and the scripts on your subject, I think it is clear but not in the eyes of those who will not see. I really think what we see going on today only justifies what we believe and what Jesus taught. You can believe or not. that is the way it is and it is up to the person to seek the truth and live for today or eternity. It is your choice and I see no discussion here so thanks for the replies and I hope any future contact will be peaceable.

      May 9, 2013 at 10:21 am |
    • HeavenStench

      "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah."

      May 9, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
  13. lionlylamb

    In one's days of living away at Life, kids, husbands and wives, what rights does one have in living the 'atomic' way of Life branched to its most divisible means that socialism will allow? The blueprints to becoming 'banner yielding' socialists are cemented with many types of cultures be they even cult-driven for; the science orientated oceanic drifts of cultured socialisms will ever lead the ways to and from all customs of cultural recognitions. Those who eat high off the hog have way too many piglets to continue on without cutting off some fat occasionally.

    May 8, 2013 at 8:16 pm |
    • ..

      Another fucktard that doesn't know what "socialist" means. Did someone cut off your meds? THAT'S a disservice!

      May 8, 2013 at 8:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Socialism is a softer word communism that will pour our county down the toilet.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      hahahahahah,.. Jesus was a socialist,... hahahahhahahaahahah

      May 8, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Spackling 2 Dots,

      I'm guessing that you aren't wanting to be sociable are you now? So much for socialism. 😦

      May 8, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
    • Heretic

      Then you clearly have NO IDEA what socialism is, Heavensent.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      HeavenSent,

      Whatever happened to community socialism? Or, gaming socialisms? Oh what an anti-socialist's nightmare!

      May 8, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • Michael

      Conservative logic: Spout out "socialism", "persecution" and "intolerance" as many times as possible and hope no one notices you're not really making any sense.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Sam, Jesus is not a socialist. He despises anyone that is healthy enough to work.

      A slothful [man] hideth his hand in [his] bosom, and will not so much as bring it to his mouth again.

      Proverbs 19:24

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Mickey,

      Make mine a "Michaelobe" oh mantled one!

      May 8, 2013 at 9:07 pm |
    • Michael

      Heavensent,

      HUH? You're quoting Proverbs to try to quote Jesus?????

      Why don't you try Matthew, Mark, Luke or John because those Books are the ONLY place you're going to get a quote from Christ.

      Unreal. This is the problem with "Christians"!!!! They'll try to quote, for example, Leviticus to tell us what Jesus thought.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:11 pm |
    • Akira

      HS: "He [Jesus] despises anyone that is healthy enough to work."

      Um...what? That you think Jesus *despises* anyone is rather at cross-purposes with His loving message, is it not?

      May 8, 2013 at 9:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Michael, Jesus is the author of the Bible.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Akira, I meant to say, He despises those that are healthy enough to work and don't.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Jesus is Our known-to-us name of perhaps millions upon millions of names. He comes and does go quickly and as a thief in even the dawn of the days does the Lord ride! The anointed ones, the Christ's of all Godly Word and words will all take up alms for their propped up needs and do battle each other's word until only the One will be left standing. Soon young fledglings for when you know the kingdom of God lives inside your own bodies, you should all take delights for being as one of God's buildings and still, the logs in many an eye! Such eyesores can become blinding!

      May 8, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
    • Akira

      HS, Jesus is the author of the OT and the NT?

      May 8, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      HS. The OT precedes Jesus.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Akira,

      Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

      John 14:10

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Santa, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost are all one. Read Isaiah 53:1-12 in the OT, God explaining thousand years before Jesus was crucified that He'd send man a savior. What better savior to send man (meaning woman too) that He loves, than to send Himself as Emmanuel, meaning God with us (meaning, God that walked among us).

      Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

      Matthew 1:23

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
    • lol??

      commies and socies have the same plans. Mob rule, straight from Sodom. You might look at them as feel gud gubmint.

      May 8, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

      May 9, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • Science

      Hey Sara.................what can't they understand ?

      Hey Bobie and As-stin Chad/rachel l4h fred Robert Brown loony bethany kev bx fred topher etc etc All creationists and ID believers ........................

      Was the bible around back then .................bible thumpers ?

      Human Y Chromosome Much Older Than Previously Thought

      Mar. 4, 2013 — The discovery and analysis of an extremely rare African American Y chromosome pushes back the time of the most recent common ancestor for the Y chromosome lineage tree to 338,000 years ago. This time predates the age of the oldest known anatomically modern human fossils.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130305145821.htm

      No god(s) needed or required to graduate from public schools in the US

      Remember : Adam had to POKE himself hard with his OWN BONE to create Eve.

      Peace

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      Hey LL

      May 15, 2013 at 7:24 am | Report abuse |

      How did feathers evolve? – Carl Zimmer

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPLgfGX1I5Y&w=640&h=360]

      May 15, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
  14. mama k

    This one slipped under my radar last Friday, but apparently the Uruguayan president did sign the gay marriage bill as expected. So now both South American countries straddling Río de la Plata (River Plate), home to Buenos Aires, Montevideo & the current Pope, have legalized same-sex marriage.

    May 8, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
    • JMEF

      mama k
      Passing strange that the old Ratzinger and Frankie may be sharing the same digs!!!

      May 8, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      ahhh Rio, home of the "i don't care if you are a man or a woman, damn you fine"

      May 8, 2013 at 8:19 pm |
    • mama k

      Well, almost, Sam – this was about Argentina and Uruguay, but they say that same-sex marriage is in the works for Brazil and Mexico soon.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:44 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      sorry you talked about south America and i thought about my time in Rio, it was a little off topic

      May 8, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • Michael

      It slipped under you radar because CNN has caved in to the FOX viewers who have to come to their site to do postings. They either take off the gay-related news item as quickly as possible or just simply bury it. Of course, they'll leave the story about how cracks in the sidewalk can cause people to fall for 5 or 6 days on the front page but the news about another state making gay marriage legal was up and buried as quickly as possible. I saw the marriage item just today but they buried it and when I searched for it I found this which I too "missed" even though I check their site a few times daily to see what they and others are saying about gay-related issues.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • Dippy

      Plata means silver in Spanish, not plate. Plate is plato.

      May 11, 2013 at 7:05 pm |
  15. Anna

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9qx5OuKGY&w=640&h=360]

    May 8, 2013 at 7:29 pm |
  16. Matthew, Mark, Luke & John

    Acts 4:12Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    May 8, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Moe, Larry, and Curly

      You have a point?

      May 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
    • Matthew, Mark, Luke & John

      Giving you pointers to life

      May 8, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @LinCa

      No, no point. He just wants attention.

      May 8, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Moe, Larry, and Curly

      You said, "Giving you pointers to life"
      I have a pointer for you, too. Have a close look at the supporting evidence for your god. Look closely, and with an open mind, and you'll find the evidence for ti is no better than for the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy.

      Your entire belief is no more rational than that of a five year old expecting a quarter for her tooth.

      May 8, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      Matthew, Mark, Luke & John

      Acts 4:12Neither is there rod in any other: for there is none other named Jesus giving the rod too men, whereby we must accept Jesus's rod.
      .
      You have a strange religion.

      May 8, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • Matthew, Mark, Luke & John

      As long as you keep your focus on the tooth fairy and the bunny you will never know God. Explore the metaphysical. Read the scriptures.

      May 8, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
    • Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist

      People in mental wards expore the metaphysical and can sense beyond reality.

      May 8, 2013 at 7:18 pm |
    • Matthew, Mark, Luke & John

      All of mankind needs a savior, mental patients, cancer patients, AIDS patients , the wise ones the not so wise, you and I

      May 8, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      MML&J,

      Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

      Don't rightly know where your worded scripture is rooted,,,, certainly not mine,,, 😦

      May 8, 2013 at 7:46 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Sorry MML&J,,, meant my last post for "Ted Jones the crusader not for khrist"

      May 8, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
    • fred

      LinCA
      Still unable to acknowledge the diference between the Easter Bunny and God I see. I do not recall a single battle where the victory was given to he Easter Bunny. I do not recall a Nation such as Israel and the Arab states that were predicted 4,000 years in advance by the Easter Bunny. Not a single adult of average plus intellegence would give your Easter Bunny thanks for our existence.
      Consider yourself so lost that you do not understand the difference. Go see the cartoon Rise of the Gardians to gather a vision of the world without God for adults and the Easter Bunny for children.
      Not at all amazing that Jesus said if you want to enter the kindom you must come as one of these little ones

      May 8, 2013 at 8:01 pm |
    • fred

      Chuckles
      You are beginning to remind me of the Sanhedrin that at all cost continued to defend their godless hearts even as Jesus cried out Father forgive them for they know not what they do.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Ferdy, so you knew them personally?

      May 8, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
    • fred

      The Real Tom
      I did not know the Easter Bunny other than to notice other kids got stuff and I did not. The face of the Sanhedin is worn by many high and mighty religeous types right up through this age. I know that Christ was the most complete reflection of the Glory of God or as the Bible says the full representation of the radiance of Gods Glory.
      I wiish you could see it. The bad news is that evidence for God is given by the Holy Spirit direct to your heart these days and is instantaneous not a process of scientific method.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
    • Science

      Did you forget this one fred................... about the angels ?

      And NO ANGELS then old pope KICKED them in OFF the TEAM last year !

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life

      http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

      Pope's book on Jesus challenges Christmas traditions

      By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN

      updated 10:56 AM EST, Fri November 23, 2012

      http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/europe/vatican-pope-jesus-book/index.html?iref=allsearch

      All these years fred and there are suppose to be angels.......................then poof go the angels according to the old

      pope;.......where are the morals there fred ?

      Or is that to simple for you fred ?

      May 8, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
    • LinCA

      @fred

      You said, "Still unable to acknowledge the diference between the Easter Bunny and God I see. I do not recall a single battle where the victory was given to he Easter Bunny."
      Mass delusion is no evidence for the object of the delusion, only evidence of mass delusion.

      You said, "I do not recall a Nation such as Israel and the Arab states that were predicted 4,000 years in advance by the Easter Bunny."
      Put enough morons suffering from the same delusion together and any prediction can be made a reality, or made to look that way. Again, mass delusion is no evidence for the object of the delusion, only evidence of mass delusion.

      You said, "Not a single adult of average plus intellegence would give your Easter Bunny thanks for our existence."
      Again, mass delusion is no evidence for the object of the delusion, only evidence of mass delusion.

      You said, "Consider yourself so lost that you do not understand the difference."
      The only thing that would make a difference if there was any credible evidence for either. There is none. consider yourself so indoctrinated that you do not understand that there is no difference.

      You said, "Not at all amazing that Jesus said if you want to enter the kindom you must come as one of these little ones"
      Not surprising that your cult would use such language. Mental midgets and children are more easily conned to believe the bullshit.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
    • tallulah13

      "The bad news is that evidence for God is given by the Holy Spirit direct to your heart these days and is instantaneous not a process of scientific method."

      So basically the only proof you have of god is an emotion. Emotions are unreliable and your emotional experience is simply proof that you had an emotional experience.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all [is] vanity.

      Ecclesiastes 12:8

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: [and] they walked in their own counsels.

      Psalms 81:12

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • faith

      fred, as you know, the letters written by christ's followers in the first century, those hapless con-artists of antiquity gathered from all over desert sands of the illiterate goat herding crowd with vivid imaginations, have no value of any kind. they were altered, forged, added to and subtracted from by wily conspirators seeking to reap huge profits from these worthless communiques.

      those organized criminals waited anxiously in line for the chance to edit what was contained in those wildly imaginative fairy tales. they hoped to achieve the status and amass the fortune the original comic book writers enjoyed. you see, we know matthew, luke, john and the boys, all of them, were rewarded for their bookish efforts with lavish worldly luxuries and wealth and the highest status in society reserved only for the world's wealthiest and royal families.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:44 pm |
    • fred

      Science
      Your Pope link is a no go on my end. Angels can mean various things in the Bible. There is little sense discussing Angels if the Bible is fiction. If you cannot get your head around faith verses physical evidence demanded in scientific study where would we even begin.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • LinCA

      @fred

      You said, "There is little sense discussing Angels if the Bible is fiction."
      There is no sense in discussing anything about the bible in any other context than it being fiction.

      May 8, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • Science

      fred it is on CNN dadada

      By the way thanks showing your true thoughts on the issue .

      May 8, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      fred, So you believe in psychics then – they have the same mantra: just believe and you will believe.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      John 6

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
    • fred

      tallulah13
      No, emotions do not cut it. The wonder of God opens up in awe as see the goodness that is God and touches us through creation. Understanding Gods plan of salvation through redemption is very emotional but the emotions come after the wonder is opened not before.

      May 8, 2013 at 9:21 pm |
    • fred

      faith
      You know nothing of the kind !
      In the first place Mathew, Mark, Luke and John are assumed as they did not sign off as the "authors". If that is the case your great royalities were paid to gost writters.
      Why do you ignore the fact that the Bible itself procalims it was the hand of God not the hand of man that has the capacity to sell such and blatent foolish set of stories to intellegent men? Did you forget that Saul of Tarsus was perhaps the most brilliant philosopher of all time and a well educated respected descenent from the tribe of Benjamine? This man went through a conversion experience that reflected the way God is revealed.
      Your skeptical conspiriacy theory sounds like you are in good company with those who claim we never landed on the moon

      May 8, 2013 at 9:32 pm |
    • fred

      In Santa We Trust
      The Bible warns against psycics. No, the dead don't talk. It was God who told Moses about the conversation He had with Hagar about Ishmael and Isaac being nations and in conflict with one another for all time (Israel and Arabs or Muslim faith verses faith in God)

      May 8, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Deuteronomy 18:9-16

      9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

      10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

      11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

      12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

      13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

      14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so [to do].

      15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

      16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

      Deuteronomy 18:10

      Amen.

      May 8, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
    • Science

      fred and HS too......only takes minutes !!!

      For all creationists and ID believers...............IT only takes minutes to figure IT out. No fairy in the sky needed !

      New Device Can Extract Human DNA With Full Genetic Data in Minutes

      May 6, 2013 — Take a swab of saliva from your mouth and within minutes your DNA could be ready for analysis and genome sequencing with the help of a new device.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/05/130506132100.htm

      May 9, 2013 at 11:55 am |
  17. Bill & Ted

    Bill 1:22 – Be excellent to each other.

    May 8, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
    • lamb of dog

      Man if only everyone worshipped bill and ted. I might be religious.

      May 8, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Dude.... Something strange is afoot at the circle K

      May 8, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
  18. Matthew, Mark, Luke & John

    Ephesians 2:8-9 – For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

    May 8, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • sam stone

      faith is a gift?

      seems rather delusional

      May 8, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
    • Steve

      Sam, faith is indeed a gift. We don't conjure it up ouselves. What is delusional is to reject a gift when offered to you.

      May 8, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Steve. Explain why you can't cope without your "gift" when the majority of the world's population get along fine without it.

      May 8, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
  19. lol??

    The USA was rich in the 19th century and couldn't handle the prosperity. You're not rich any more. All kinds of false science and false doctrines were adopted that laid the groundwork for the horrors of the 20th century. The socialists grabbed Freud to attack the family and destroy dad. This makes it much harder for the "moderns" to relate to God as a Father. But hey, the rich are havin' their fun now and that's what counts.

    May 8, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      The likes of Carnegie, Vanderbilt, and J.P. Morgan were rich in the 19th century. Not so much everyday people.

      It's starting to get that way again.

      May 8, 2013 at 6:59 pm |
    • Saraswati

      "The USA was rich in the 19th century and couldn't handle the prosperity. You're not rich any more. All kinds of false science and false doctrines were adopted that laid the groundwork for the horrors of the 20th century. The socialists grabbed Freud to attack the family and destroy dad. "

      You didn't take any history classes after grade school, did you? Wow. Just scary. Pick up a few history texts and get back to us in a couple of years.

      May 8, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
  20. Matthew, Mark, Luke & John

    1John 5:11-13 – And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

    May 8, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • sam stone

      do you seriously desire eternal life?

      it sounds torturous

      May 8, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
    • Matthew, Mark, Luke & John

      If as you believe there is only this life to live then why spend time on a belief blog? That tells me that you are here searching for something, seeking to know God? Open the scriptures and read the word.

      May 8, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
    • Steve

      Mathew, amen. Keep it up. This is what the people need to hear, whether they realize it or not. God Bless

      May 8, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      MMLJ, Someone has to keep an eye on the lunatics.

      May 8, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
    • Steve

      Matthew, keep randomly quoting bible stuff like a brainwashed moron. It will really go a long way to bringing people to God.

      May 8, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
    • Matthew, Mark, Luke & John

      Yeah, the scriptures are a great brain refresher!

      May 8, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
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